Whatever you call it, if you like to think it exists, Karma is the "Goes around comes around" thing that can keep people from doing bad shit.

I like to think that Karma is factual, and the hideous crap that happens to me is brought about by my own actions, rather than those of some far flung God.

Is it hopeless bable, demonstrating my hunger for control of my life and it's going abouts?

Or..

Karma is in all religions that I know of and can be theorized (socially, not scientifically) as a real force. However, it cant be proven empirically.

I think its a good assumption. Murderers go to jail and philanthropists are loved.

I like to believe that in the course of living that things will work themselves out, so I believe in the theory of karma.

However not all bad things are brought on by oneself. I am sure AIDS-infected babies in Africa have done nothing wrong to deserve their fate. I suppose you might debate that its brought on by their tribal culture and their corruption as a whole, though.

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Nah, far too many people get away with way too many things for Karma to exist. This is actually why Karma and heaven and hell exist as concepts people believe in, in my opinion: because the world is filled with injustice and they have a need for justice.

Hare_Geist: You have a vaild point.

I suppose if you looked hard enough you'd find some bad stuff happening to everyone, even those ubber christian kids. Unless you want to call shoving religion down other people's throats something worthy of bad Karma.

Being christian doesn't make you a good person though, and being _______ doesn't make you bad.

When you think about it, I guess Karma has little ground to stand on.

Even still, I find solace in knowing my situation is under my controll and my controll alone.

And even then, perhaps it is not.

People kill puppies, and puppies (usualy) are innocent little bundles of warm cuddly bla bla bla bla. Unless you don't think animals have Karma.

Evermore, every day, religion seems to me thinner and thinner.

I'm not sure it's a bad thing either. Haha.



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Certainly there are times when people do something ‘bad’ and get their ‘comeuppance’, but I think that a lot of times, just the opposite happens. For example, when I went to school, I was bullied by this kid who then blamed it on this mentally handicapped dude, and the handicapped dude ended up being the one kicked out of school, whereas this dick has gotten an education.

Of course, one way to solve this problem is to say that justice doesn’t happen in this life but happens in another life. Once again though, you can’t prove this and it makes a terrible amount of assumptions, such as that there is an objective morality and an all-powerful judge that makes sure all things in the world adhere to this law.

But, as I said, I really think it is a kind of comforter for grownups. That’s not to say there’s anything wrong with believing in the comforter, although it could prohibit a person’s inhibitions to a minor extent from trying to create justice in this world via making him believe that everything will work out fine upon death.

PS, I think that if Karma did exist, that all animals would have it since we ourselves are animals. And if you believe that, then the world is filled with an incredible amount of injustice.

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quote:Originally posted by Hare_Geist:

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Of course, one way to solve this problem is to say that justice doesn’t happen in this life but happens in another life.

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PS, I think that if Karma did exist, that all animals would have it since we ourselves are animals. And if you believe that, then the world is filled with an incredible amount of injustice.



Death is discomforting, ceasing to exist is a sour thought in my head. Past lives and reincarnation intrest me, is it.. hinduism that judges your reincarnation based on your actions in your most recent life?

Most people assume that humans are above animals. I whole heartedly oppose this. My comment was directed toward the people who support it.

Regardless, if we lived as animals did there would be a balance in the world that we do not have today. I myself would likely be killed and eatten, but really, it bothers me very little. It might do the world a little good.

I have gravitated toward Satanism, for what the information is worth. While I haven't iorned out and outlined any of my thoughts, I am comfortable (After oodles of reading and self searching) calling myself as such. No God has a hand in the greatness of a person, unless perhaps the belief in one (False or not) Gives a person confidence. Is God not a security blanket? Greatness and strength come from within. Outside factors, obviously, argueably, influence people.. (Winning the lottery by chance and starting a HUGE buisness, ect.) Is it not the way a person handles and shapes himself in the face of such factors that tributes to his greatness? (What if the man spent all that cash on jelly filled doughnuts?)

Satanism (Levayan) has been called a primal, natural religion because it permits and incorages the responsible indulgence of man's animalistic instincts. Correct me if I am wrong. Altering my life according to self created principals inspired by Satanism, whatever the flavor, has made me a stronger, wiser person.

Comments? Piggyback thoughts? Further thinking?



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quote:Originally posted by PurplePuppy:

Death is discomforting, ceasing to exist is a sour thought in my head. Past lives and reincarnation intrest me, is it.. hinduism that judges your reincarnation based on your actions in your most recent life?

Hinduism, Buddhism and a few other religions, although they all vary in their conception of karma.

quote:Regardless, if we lived as animals did there would be a balance in the world that we do not have today. I myself would likely be killed and eatten, but really, it bothers me very little. It might do the world a little good.

We are living like animals live this very instant. A cat acts like a cat, a dog acts like a dog, and a human acts like a human. We're in our natural habitat.

I don't understand what people are talking about when they say "get back to nature" and that cities and technology is unnatural, it's perfectly natural. To think we've gone beyond nature, to think we're out of nature, is arrogance at its finest.

quote:Originally posted by Hare_Geist:

We are living like animals live this very instant. A cat acts like a cat, a dog acts like a dog, and a human acts like a human. We're in our natural habitat.

I don't understand what people are talking about when they say "get back to nature" and that cities and technology is unnatural, it's perfectly natural. To think we've gone beyond nature, to think we're out of nature, is arrogance at its finest.

Another valid point.

You people enlighten me.

The human expansion of.. humanness is when down to the bone of it, in compition for territory, food, ect. is something every species would do given the chance.

I just don't particularly think its a good idea.

Alas, everything comes down to extinction at some point.

Karma is bullshit. Assholes get away with all kinds of shit; that you never hear about it is because they don't get caught, and continue to fuck you over.

Karma is another imaginary force invented by humans.

Sure, if you treat people better they are likely to treat you better as well, but that is not karma.

If I were to steal a candy bar from the store there exists no mystical force being driven to make sure something bad happens to me in the future. Something bad (or good) is bound to happen to me in the future regardless of what actions I choose in the present.

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Karma is bullshit.