Thank god

http://www.rushprnews.com/press/archives/12391

The evidence will be revealed Monday, February 26th at 11 am at a press conference in a location kept secret for security reason.

...lest he be found and burnt at the stake for heresy...

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This hasnt been the first time people have blew hot air with a finding and beg and grovvel for money.

James Cameron isn't exactly hurting for money, seeing as how he directed one of the top-grossing box office hits of all time. No doubt he is rolling in it.

It does reek of sensationalism, though. The fundies are going to go absolutely berserk.

Because we all watch the discovery channel right?

** Deuce Omen

Now I have more to look forward to than a party tomorrow.

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Christianity is based on faith... Christians will simply choose not to believe it. Besides I don't see how they will be able to prove that the "tomb" is in fact that of the same Jesus... I guess non-Christians will have to take that one on faith.

quote:Originally posted by AngryFemme:

James Cameron isn't exactly hurting for money, seeing as how he directed one of the top-grossing box office hits of all time. No doubt he is rolling in it.

It does reek of sensationalism, though. The fundies are going to go absolutely berserk.

The article mentioned his last box-office smash was Titanic, which was how long ago? I bet his pockets are probably uncmfrtably thin.

quote:Originally posted by ArgonPlasma2000:

The article mentioned his last box-office smash was Titanic, which was how long ago? I bet his pockets are probably uncmfrtably thin.

I highly doubt this.

Regardless of that however... can somebody explain this to me? I don't understand why finding Jesus's tomb will make Christianity fall apart? How does this disprove christianity?

I don't think you can in all seriousness prove anything scientificaly that happened 2000 years ago. No way this will have an impact I doubt anyone will even get pissed off.

If this shows that Jesus had a son with Magdalene, then it puts a wrench in the machinery of othodox Christian belief.

It also can put to rest the notion that Jesus ascended fully - bodily - into heaven.

But disprove the religion? No.

Nowhere does it say that he is attempting to disprove religion, or that the findings will 'tear Christianity apart'. It's just sensationalism, and it seems like it's being spun out like that by the media, not by Cameron himself. He is simply touting it "The greatest archeological find in history". However, the headlines are reading: "Titanic Director James Cameron Sinking Christianity". http://www.totse.com/bbs/rolleyes.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/rolleyes.gif)

This probably won't make a huge impact on any believers, anyway. Since when have Christians ever let a little bit o' science get in the way of their reasoning?

And let's face it - JC could ride down from the heavens on some divine hotrod, spraying holy gravel in their general direction screaming "It's true! I fucked her! Magdalene is indeed my lover!" - and I still don't think they would believe it. It goes against their "because my bible tells me so" mentality.

quote:Originally posted by ArgonPlasma2000:

The article mentioned his last box-office smash was Titanic, which was how long ago? I bet his pockets are probably uncmfrtably thin.

NOT!

Complete Name: James Francis Cameron

Date of Birth: August 16, 1954

Place of Birth: Kapuskasing, Ontario, Canada

Education: Studied physics at California State University at Fullerton

Spouse: Suzy Amis, whom he married in June 2000

Height: 6 feet 2 inches

Net Worth: $ 127 million U.S. dollars

http://www.jamescameron.net

Lest we forget, in addition to Titanic he did The Terminator. That movie did pretty well at the box office, too. I'm sure there will be a headline somewhere that reads: "James Cameron terminates orthodox Christianity"... because the media thrives on stuff like that.

My point: He is hardly hurting for cash.

Compared to the worth of many other Hollywoodies?

You really think he's doing this for the money?

He could be doing it just to piss off Christians. (which I don't think he is)

He could be doing it for personal reasons. For example - he might just really *dig* archeology (no pun. okay, pun.) http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif)

He could be doing it just for the lulz. (this is possible)

He could be doing it just because he's James Cameron, a bigwig director who has the time/money/inclination to do whatever he feels like.

and yes, he could be doing it just because he is purely interested in the science of it, and maybe as a balm of sorts to help soothe his own personal battle of reconciling science with the Bible.

But for the money? C'mon.

Stop arguing, you guys. No doubt South Park will come along and call him insane. They'll tell us how to think. http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif)

quote:Originally posted by AngryFemme:



And let's face it - JC could ride down from the heavens on some divine hotrod, spraying holy gravel in their general direction screaming "It's true! I fucked her! Magdalene is indeed my lover!"



I'd pay to see Jesus do that

quote:Originally posted by Hare_Geist:

Stop arguing, you guys. No doubt South Park will come along and call him insane. They'll tell us how to think. http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif)

http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif) I can hardly wait for that episode. I just wonder which JC they'll call insane... Jesus Christ or James Cameron?

The Mel Gibson parody episode(s) was CLASSIC.

Edit: Here's his first official press release on the Today show this morning: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17343263/



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quote:Originally posted by vazilizaitsev89:

I'd pay to see Jesus do that

Yes, I'd pay him good money.

you're full of crap.it will never be disproven.if you dont wanta hear preaching dont listen.



i'm not pushing my religion on you.

quote:Originally posted by Hare_Geist:

Stop arguing, you guys. No doubt South Park will come along and call him insane. They'll tell us how to think. http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/smile.gif)

South Park is my religion...

quote:Originally posted by brad davis:

you're full of crap.it will never be disproven.if you dont wanta hear preaching dont listen.



i'm not pushing my religion on you.

Are you retarded, religious doctrine continues to play key roles in policy throughout the western world's politics. Religion is being pushed on us it's pushing things in a direction of everincreasing security and oppression. Please jump off a bridge and see if God catches you.

quote:Are you retarded, religious doctrine continues to play key roles in policy throughout the western world's politics. Religion is being pushed on us it's pushing things in a direction of everincreasing security and oppression. Please jump off a bridge and see if God catches you.

Indeed, except for the bridge bit, I agree.

Religious doctrine plays too high of a role in many western nations. It is a social and ethical disgrace.

Ohh well, Jeshua was a very common Jewish name at the time. So was Judah and other names of heroic Jews. The odds of a osuary entitled Jesua, son of Judah or even the other way around wouldnt be too far out of the ordinary.

If people find out that Jesus was not the son of God, I predict an influx of converts to Judaism and Islam http://www.totse.com/bbs/cool.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/cool.gif)

quote:Originally posted by shitty wok:

If people find out that Jesus was not the son of God...

File that under: Never Gonna Happen

People inclined to clinging to religious faith will never believe that Jesus wasn't the son of God, irregardless of any kind of evidence that might be presented to them. In fact, they don't even have to hear any "evidence" in it's entirety - their resolution is so steadfast as to not even require their attention span being even teased into thinking about that impossible notion. Their faith dictates to them that to even question the authenticity of the Divine is to damn one's self to hell. They won't even entertain the idea for a split second.

[Read the post directly above yours for a small sampling of that very phenomena]

quote:Originally posted by easeoflife22:

Please jump off a bridge and see if God catches you.

Thats really what its all about but, for all your faith you people can't seem to do anything that actually takes faith.

You use drugs developed using DNA studies and mock evolution. When a woman has 8 kids its a "miracle" and suddenly Pfizer had nothing to do with it. It shames the human race.

It will never be fully disproven, simply because people will still believe.

This could be really interesting though. I just hope they don't go over the top and start bashing Christianity, because that's as bad as the religion itself.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by easeoflife22:

Please jump off a bridge and see if God catches you.



if i jumped and it was to my death,

he still would catch me before i hit the bottom.

They have found other tombs of "Jesus son of Joseph", or something close to that. The people were only using like ten male names, so there were Jesus's all over the place.

quote:Originally posted by Viraljimmy:

They have found other tombs of "Jesus son of Joseph", or something close to that. The people were only using like ten male names, so there were Jesus's all over the place.

Jesus is a derivative of Joshua... a very common name at the time among Jews.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Viraljimmy:

so there were Jesus's all over the place.

We're all (myself included) kind of jumping the gun here. Let's see what evidence is presented, THEN argue like hell.

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March 4th.

The statistics of a family having those names are bullshit, they are not as remote as they say.

Also, the name Jesus can only be seen if moving the scratches a certain way, other names especially one is more obvious.

quote:Originally posted by brad davis:

[QUOTE]

if i jumped and it was to my death,

he still would catch me before i hit the bottom.

GOOD then fucking do it already you bible believing pussy

quote:Originally posted by brad davis:

if i jumped and it was to my death,

he still would catch me before i hit the bottom.

I envy your faith (good old days)...

quote:Originally posted by ArgonPlasma2000:

Ohh well, Jeshua was a very common Jewish name at the time. So was Judah and other names of heroic Jews. The odds of a osuary entitled Jesua, son of Judah or even the other way around wouldnt be too far out of the ordinary.

quote:Jacobovici said that the archaeologists who were so quick to dismiss the find never asked statisticians for an opinion about the likelihood that boxes inscribed with names like Joseph, Mary and Jesus would all be found in the same place and be dated back to the time that Jesus lived and taught.

“They are common names, these were archaeologists. They never went to statisticians,” Jacobovici said. “We're just reporting the news. We're not statisticians. We're not theologians .... Now the debate is going to begin because statisticians say it is significant. DNA experts say it is significant.”

Hi all,

Someone in a different forum raised an interesting point (if anyone wants a link to the thread, just ask, but much of it is not too different from the ones in Totse on this subject)...

Why were the the inscriptions (in a family tomb) in different languages?

Jesus in Aramaic; Maria, Latin; Mary Magdelene in Greek; and Jose (IIRC) in Hebrew.

Here is his (Antøny Méndez)post (i included his whole post because i just like his way with words and the vocabulary... i bolded the part about the multi-language)

quote:Hmmm well I would like to throw my two cents in if I may; this was quite the hit on the morning news over here in Australia, according to the channel Ten newsroom they even had D.N.A evidence avering in favor of their claims...an odd notion I mean, I was incognizant of the fact that they had a batch of Christ's D.N.A somewhere hidden in Canada to contrast the tombs residue with. Pushing past that facetious point their own promotional works have already shown that the circumstances surrounding this documentary are rather speciously captious; first of all the James ossuary owned by Oded Golan who is now being tried for forgery by the Israeli Antiquities Authority, matches the patina of the ossuaries discovered by Cameron and co, it is common knowledge that "Yaakov bar Yosef, a khui d' Yeshua---James, son of Joseph, brother of Jesus" was forged onto Golan's ossuary and since these marvelous discoveries happen to match it, I would say that it is passably plausible that the entire set are forgeries most likely devised before Golan found the false James ossuary and I fancy that this shall be shown forth like clockwork in due time.

The second issue is that the team is not exactly stellar, Professor Joe E. Zias who is based in Israel has gone on record to the affect that Camerons team have "...no credibility whatsoever.", he has passed off the hype and the supposed veritable basis for these claims as "nonsense". I decided to look up the members of the team for myself and found that Zias was not far from the mark, you have at the helm James Cameron, now as much as I enjoyed titanic I am not precisely convinced that he is the man for serious archaeological research, then his partner Simcha Jacobovici, a bloody journalist the only worse collaborator to my mind for such an endeavor would be a member of the paparazzi and a journalist is only superior to the latter owing to the fact that it takes some wits to be ostensible. James Tabor finally someone with a doctorate, but even then his vitae reeks of a bias polemical antipathy towards Christianity, mind you none of his anti-christian chicanery has actually been peer-reviewed and or published by a respectable University Press, hardly a surprise. Dr. Charlie R. Pellegrino: a doctor of what? Only God Knows the biographical snippet on their site only mentions that he has written a varietal of books and he allegedly inspired the film Jurassic Park, once more not very impressive credentials. Then theres Andrey Feuerverger the only well qualified and reputable member of their crew but of course he has no degrees in Ancient History, semitic linguistics or archeology nor anything of the like for that matter, rather he is a mathematician and according to the odds he proffered on their site he is evidently not to conversant with a probability calculus or perhaps he just has not competently considered the appurtenant data to be fed into one in this regard, either way its utterly abject. Shimon Gibson and François Bovon are both decently---albeit meagrely qualified men, which is why it is a shame to see them par take in this preposterous anti-christian partisanship; all in all it is a rag tag bunch characterized by precipitance propounding this quiddity, howbeit it shall be interesting to see how they go about assembling their case and thenceforth defending it.

There are a few more issues that ring precarious in my opinion; remarkably enough it seems that there was a whole assemblage of foreign scribes who tended to these ossuaries, we have Yeshuah bar Yosef in Aramaic, Mariamene e Mara in Greek, the Hebrew phraseology for the Latin Maria, Yose in simple Hebrew a sheer oddity for first century Judea where Aramaic was commonplace, all of the aforesaid is a botheration for me. I mean why would so many contradistinctive languages be employed for one family tomb, which has already had a forgery found inside of it? The hypothesis from a strictly medial point of view, that best explains the body of evidence is that they are all forgeries, fabricated by twits second in dottiness and obliquity only to those who actually bought into it.....and I'm spent.



Here are a few other points i find interesting... these are from a different person (Sparko). I did not include the whole posts or the responses.

quote:I read something interesting in the article in the OP

"Maria is the Latin form of Mary, and is how Jesus's mother was known after his death as more Romans became followers. Mariamne is the Greek form of Mary. Mary Magdelene is believed to have spoken and preached in Greek. Jose was the nickname used for Jesus' little brother."

Huh??? That raises a lot of questions...

1. The Latin church did not even get started until a lot later after Mary would have died.

2. If they called her "Maria" - why would that end up on a Jewish ossuary?

3. If there WAS a Church and they called her Maria, then why would there even BE a church any more if they buried her with her son Jesus? I assume they would notice his body and figure out that he did not rise from the dead.

Also the article mentions that the James ossuary was found WITH 10 other ossuaries including the Jesus ossuary. The same experts who probably were claiming forgery on the James ossuary inscription are probably the same ones who will claim the Jesus one is genuine.

There was a disagreement to this guy's (Sparko) post, and here is the reply (i seperated Sparko's replies by **** ) :



quote:there were christians in rome, yes, but not an organized church that would have enough influence to change the inscription on a jewish tomb. Besides, again, there even being a church means that they believed jesus was not buried in some cave but resurrected. How then is it the case that there is a ossuary with Jesus bones in it next to the casket of his mother Mary with a latin inscription on it? Seems kinda fishy.

****

You realize that the James ossuary came from the same location as these new ossuaries, right? If the Jame ossuary inscription is a fake then that means so are these, most likely. Kinda unlikely that someone stole the James ossuary to make a forged inscription on it when the ossuary of Jesus himself was laying right next to it.

****

Out of all jerusalem, what are the odds they would find the very tomb of Jesus and his entire family amongst the millions of graves in the area? That alone boggles the mind



If someone else here was wondering how "Mariamne" is thought to be Mary Magdelene like i was wondering, a different person (spl_cadet )on that thread found out, and posted this:

quote:I found out how they made the Mary Magdalen connection. They're using the Pistis Sophia and the Acts of Philip.



johnny