Here's an article reviewing a book about the pre-Christian/pre-New Testament myths. It seems kind of interesting, about the people trying to follow his teachings & not him.

As, for instance, I heard in an interview with a Biblical scholar that some of the accepted stories in the NT where added much later. Such as the story where he 'said', "Let he who is without sin, cast the first stone".

http://preview.tinyurl.com/yvqjfc

quote:Originally posted by moonmeister:

Here's an article reviewing a book about the pre-Christian/pre-New Testament myths. It seems kind of interesting, about the people trying to follow his teachings & not him.

As, for instance, I heard in an interview with a Biblical scholar that some of the accepted stories in the NT where added much later. Such as the story where he 'said', "Let he who is without sin, cast the first stone".

http://preview.tinyurl.com/yvqjfc

didnt read the article dont really care! but yea they were added much later but it wanst made up much later! it wasnt untill about 200 years after Jesus died did all the non-gnostic books were put together, but the stories were not added then and if they where there wouldnt be any proof(its not like they wrote every step down in another book/document! they were part of the original books. by the way the gnostics was made by people forever far away that heard stories of jesus but didnt understand some things so they made up stories to explain things they didnt understand or wernt able to cope with, such as how could the son of God be killed? they wernt there so they didnt know the whole story, but none of the gnostic books are true and are not credible so any stories about jesus and mary, or jesus' kid/kids come from those! just thought i would explain so you dont go thinking we tried to exclude info. from the bible!

From what they say about Q being nothing but a collection of his teachings, as opposed to collection of myths about his life (if he were real), it makes Jesus sound more like an ethicist (a moral philosopher) than a prophet.

Although I find the article suspicious. It says: "But Matthew and Luke each had a copy of the sayings gospel... It was this fortuitous coincidence that made it possible in recent times to recover the book." However, it is generally accepted by scholars that none of the four gospels were written by who they were supposedly written by and that no one knows who the author, or authors, of each is, or are.

Masta Thief, you're seriously retarded and you should read the article before posting.

PS. to the OP, good post. I didn't know that the story of the Binding of Isaac was a rip off of a Hindu myth.

quote:Originally posted by Hare_Geist:

[B] (if he were real) B]

are you talking about Jesus?

quote:Originally posted by Hare_Geist:

Masta Thief, you're seriously retarded and you should read the article before posting.

PS. to the OP, good post. I didn't know that the story of the Binding of Isaac was a rip off of a Hindu myth.

lol why was i off topic? my bad!

quote:Originally posted by Masta Thief:

are you talking about Jesus?

Who else would I be talking about? The Jesus myth is a ripoff of Mithraism, the Greek God Dionysus and various other mythologies.

I wouldn't be surprised if Jesus didn't exist at all. There's absolutely no evidence whatsoever, except for the contradicting gospels (all written 40 years after his life).

quote:Originally posted by Hare_Geist:

Originally posted by Masta Thief:

are you talking about Jesus?

Who else would I be talking about? The Jesus myth is a ripoff of Mithraism, the Greek God Dionysus and various other mythologies.

I wouldn't be surprised if Jesus didn't exist at all. There's absolutely no evidence whatsoever, except for the contradicting gospels (all written 40 years after his life).

what? The FACT that Jesus lived was never disputed! exept for socialist/liberal/athiest retards!(not an attack on any one group but on the people of the stupid blasphemy test!)! alot of major religions all have stuff about him not just christianity! Judeuism, Islam, Hinduism, and Buddism! your a fucking retard if you think Jesus is a myth!

Well, apparently there are a dozen pre-Jesus mythic traditons of dying/reborn avatars. I (my memory is foggy) think the scholar said that the earliest copies of the Four Gospels didn't have the 'throw the first stone' story?

He also talked of a woman who was very highly regarded way back then who's gender was changed in the 1700's to male. Of course, unless on is fully conversant with what the scholars accept/argue over, it's hard to take sensible positions.

Anything that's generally taken as true by non-scholars but is seen as false by the pros, just makes one looks stupid. Like arguing about what happened in one's own dream with someone else. Useless.

quote:Originally posted by Masta Thief:

what? The FACT that Jesus lived was never disputed! exept for socialist/liberal/athiest retards!(not an attack on any one group but on the people of the stupid blasphemy test!)! alot of major religions all have stuff about him not just christianity! Judeuism, Islam, Hinduism, and Buddism! your a fucking retard if you think Jesus is a myth!

Buddhism says nothing about Jesus, it is a philosophy. Hinduism is the oldest religion in the world, I wouldn’t doubt it if Christianity ripped off some of its myths just like every other religion (and it is more realistic to say it’s stealing myths). Judaism was the religion Christianity came out of. There are a lot of very good arguments from Jewish scholars that Jesus is not the fulfilment of the prophecies in the Torah. You should check them out. Islam came after Christianity and also was born out of Judaism, of course it would mention Jesus. However, I don't know why you're bringing that up, since it says Jesus was not the son of God.

Also, whether or not Jesus ever existed is disputed a LOT. Scholars and historians have found no hard evidence.

quote:Originally posted by Hare_Geist:

Buddhism says nothing about Jesus, it is a philosophy. Hinduism is the oldest religion in the world, I wouldn’t doubt it if Christianity ripped off some of its myths just like every other religion (and it is more realistic to say it’s stealing myths). Judaism was the religion Christianity came out of. There are a lot of very good arguments from Jewish scholars that Jesus is not the fulfilment of the prophecies in the Torah. You should check them out. Islam came after Christianity and also was born out of Judaism, of course it would mention Jesus. However, I don't know why you're bringing that up, since it says Jesus was not the son of God.

Also, whether or not Jesus ever existed is disputed a LOT. Scholars and historians have found no hard evidence.



again your a dumbass! i was never trying to prove that Jesus was the savior(although he is) i was trying to tell your idiotic self that he existed! he was supposable regarded by the Hindus(which by the way is not older than Judeuism, maybe its founding but it goes way back before Abraham!) in the gnostic books! budism does say that Jesus was alike Budah not as great as him though.

that may not be in a book i dont know but i do know alot of the religion communities do recognize him as a great philospher or something like that! ive heard it lots of times in differ documentarys and on tv/radio, just so you dont go questioning my crediblity to making it up! and ev erything i said in my first comment was true so that really all that matters.

quote: i do know alot of the religion communities do recognize him as a great philospher or something like that

Hinduism respects all religions, you can be a Hindu and believe in another religion. Ditto for Buddhism. Hinduism is one of the worlds earliest religions, as is Judaism. I never said differently.

But just because they recognize him as a great philosopher after the Bibles were written, that does not mean he existed in real life.

quote:Originally posted by Hare_Geist:

Hinduism respects all religions, you can be a Hindu and believe in another religion. Ditto for Buddhism. Hinduism is one of the worlds earliest religions, as is Judaism. I never said differently.

But just because they recognize him as a great philosopher after the Bibles were written, that does not mean he existed in real life.

so that would mean Juliues Ceaser, Alexander the great, the spartans of greece, the empire of persia. and many more may not be real! theres no body of julius not alexander, no proof of the spartans being any differ than a normal soldier, and no proof that Persia once ruled just becaus there was buildings doesnt mean anything of course there would be buildings someone had to live there doesnt mean it was the persians! if jesus might be false beacause there is only written evidence then most of our history of humans that we know of is false!

quote:Originally posted by Masta Thief:

so that would mean Juliues Ceaser, Alexander the great, the spartans of greece, the empire of persia. and many more may not be real! theres no body of julius not alexander, no proof of the spartans being any differ than a normal soldier, and no proof that Persia once ruled just becaus there was buildings doesnt mean anything of course there would be buildings someone had to live there doesnt mean it was the persians! if jesus might be false beacause there is only written evidence then most of our history of humans that we know of is false!

Your ignorance is incredible, boy. And your spelling atrocious. I'm seriously beginning to think that you're a troll. No, I don't think. I know. But I'll reply...

Did you know that they have more evidence for the existence of the Ancient Greek philosopher Socrates than they do for Jesus, yet scholars are still questioning whether he existed or not because there is not enough evidence.

As for the people you mentioned, there's plenty of evidence for their existence, such as letters they have written and historical documents written at the time from various sources as opposed to a few suspicious books with no authors that make outlandish claims and were written 40 years after Jesus's supposed existence. There's not even any writings from Jesus himself.

You're seriously not worthy of my time.



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quote:Originally posted by Hare_Geist:

Your ignorance is incredible, boy. And your spelling atrocious. I'm seriously beginning to think that you're a troll. No, I don't think. I know. But I'll reply...

Did you know that they have more evidence for the existence of the Ancient Greek philosopher Socrates than they do for Jesus, yet scholars are still questioning whether he existed or not because there is not enough evidence.

As for the people you mentioned, there's plenty of evidence for their existence, such as letters they have written and historical documents written at the time from various sources as opposed to a few suspicious books with no authors that make outlandish claims and were written 40 years after Jesus's supposed existence. There's not even any writings from Jesus himself.

You're seriously not worthy of my time.





you kinda blended it together no making sense there at the end! but thats what i would expect from a dumbass! i dont really give a shit about Socratees both you and him can kiss my ass! so what who said that Julieus Ceaser had to be a king? how would a letter be more evidence than a huge ass book? anyways i never said they didnt exist im just using your logic against you! And i can tell you the Authors Mark, Matthew, Luke, and John! there you go now you know the authors!

you know i cant wait till morning so everyone can laugh at your homo self for trying to say Jesus never existed!

fuck off fag!

quote:Authors Mark, Matthew, Luke, and John

Your ignorance is incredible and you are no longer worthy of my time. Anyone who posts her with any intelligence (and I can think of many) will know why.

Troll.

quote:Originally posted by Hare_Geist:

Hinduism respects all religions, you can be a Hindu and believe in another religion. Ditto for Buddhism. Hinduism is one of the worlds earliest religions, as is Judaism. I never said differently.

But just because they recognize him as a great philosopher after the Bibles were written, that does not mean he existed in real life.

I'm unsure about Hinduism? Yet there are records of him visiting Tibet, where he was know as (Jumpin') Jehosaphat.

quote:Originally posted by moonmeister:

I'm unsure about Hinduism? Yet there are records of him visiting Tibet, where he was know as (Jumpin') Jehosaphat.

I lol'd at the jumpin' bit. I think there were some odd scrolls.

edit - There was actually a king called that in the Bible. The king of Judah who formed an alliance with the kingdom of Israel.



[This message has been edited by Hare_Geist (edited 03-04-2007).]

quote:Originally posted by Hare_Geist:

Your ignorance is incredible and you are no longer worthy of my time. Anyone who posts her with any intelligence (and I can think of many) will know why.

Because Matthew, Mark, Luke and John were already dead when those books were written? Because not even the church suggests those guys wrote those books?

There are even gospels that have been left out of the bible. The comity who decided to make the new testament felt they weren't as important. How they came to the conclusion of which word of god can be important and non important is beyond me. Ow wait, they were making the entire thing up, my bad.

quote:Originally posted by boozehound420:

There are even gospels that have been left out of the bible. The comity who decided to make the new testament felt they weren't as important. How they came to the conclusion of which word of god can be important and non important is beyond me. Ow wait, they were making the entire thing up, my bad.

Indeed. If the Gnostic gospels had been left in, Christianity would be a completely different religion.

quote:Originally posted by Masta Thief:

what? The FACT that Jesus lived was never disputed! exept for socialist/liberal/athiest retards!(not an attack on any one group but on the people of the stupid blasphemy test!)! alot of major religions all have stuff about him not just christianity! Judeuism, Islam, Hinduism, and Buddism! your a fucking retard if you think Jesus is a myth!

I read this forum in part because I enjoy watching ignorant christians (as opposed to educated, thoughtful christians) go ape-shit and start calling names when confronted with logic.

By that standard you, Masta Thief, are by far the most entertaining poster I have yet seen. Congratulations.