#1- Jesus was just a normal human being preaching his bullshit just like the many other guys that were doing the same thing at the time. Jesus was the one that made it mainstream.

#2- Virgin mary was no virgin. Women don't just become magically pregnant.

#3- People didn't have the scientific technology/knowledge as we currently do. Religion was/is people beliefs based on no facts whatsoever.

#4- Moses never lifted a river. He was an ordinary human.

#5- Jonah never 'hung out' in a whales mouth. That is complete ridiculous bullshit as well.

#6- Jesus never walked on water. Water skidoos weren't invented yet.

#7- The bible imposes many false things as sins. "masturbation is lust & lust is a sin"=bullshit. "Waiting until marraige to have sex"=bullshit. Marraige is a human creation only. Reproduction has nothing to do with marraige.

#8- The devil nor god exists. People claim that the devil causes evil and makes people do bad. That is not true. People make there own choices. People kill people, not guns or the devil

#9- Jesus never cut a piece of bread into millions of pieces to feed tons of people.

#10- The churchs would kill people who had there own beliefs, pretty hypocritical wouldn't you say.

#11- The salem whichcraft trials, another fine example of religion and bull shit beliefs. Cost many people there lives.

#12- Religious followers claim that jesus will return to earth one day. If a man surfaced publicly and said "I am jesus" nobody would believe him. Not even religious members, than why beleive the bullshit?

#13- If people didn't partake in this religious bullshit theories of the earths/lifes origin would be further along by now to a certain degree.

#14- Nobody has the answers to lifes mysteries. If you dispute a christian they will say "than tell me the answers" No bitch, nobody has the answers, just accept that already.

#15- There is some type of force that makes the world go round, but no "god" as people beleive.

#16- Adam & Eve is bullshit. Humans did not just appear out of thin air on earth. Nor did/can a human be created out of a rib.

#17- Scientists have already proved evolution. This itself completely proves christianity false.

#18- Noah did not build an arc nor save all the animals on earth. A makeshift piece of shit raft isn't going to sustain 40 days of a horrible storm and survive. That storm as well the story is made up bullshit.

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Now christians, is the time where you face these facts that I just stated. They are all true. I just proved christianity false. You can't argue the bible and religion is all bullshit.

Now I'm not a Christian, but you can't just say things are bullshit unless you have solid evidence you back it up, Christians don't just go around and tell people God exists without solid evidence . . . oh wait a second . . . i think i made an error somewhere along that arugment.

Are you done with your pussy rant?

Alright, half of the people know this shit already.

You are just an attention whore.

GTFO.

Life doesn't make sense, why would be born into a life of suffering to culminate in death?





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quote:Originally posted by Naminator01:

Are you done with your pussy rant?

Alright, half of the people know this shit already.

You are just an attention whore.

GTFO.





Shut the fuck up you christian pig. You will accept the fact that I am your master now bitch.

That sounds more like bullshit aethist humor then anything else. Learn to backup your shit with logic, it'll go a long way.

I am an aethist, btw, and that was still a waste of time.

quote:Originally posted by SAMMY249:

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The only thing "illogical" is your inability to comprehend the facts I stated.

quote:Originally posted by mikeoxlong:

#1- Jesus was just a normal human being preaching his bullshit just like the many other guys that were doing the same thing at the time. Jesus was the one that made it mainstream.

Prove it! Were you there?

quote:

#2- Virgin mary was no virgin. Women don't just become magically pregnant.

Prove it! Were you there?

It wasn't magic, it was the will of god

quote:

#3- People didn't have the scientific technology/knowledge as we currently do. Religion was/is people beliefs based on no facts whatsoever.

Kind of like believing Jesus was a mortal with out any facts whatsoever?

quote:

#4- Moses never lifted a river. He was an ordinary human.

Prove it! Were you there?

quote:

#5- Jonah never 'hung out' in a whales mouth. That is complete ridiculous bullshit as well.

The bible isn't meant to be taken literally. There called symbols and metaphors, you learn about it once you reach the 7th grade. Don't worry, you'll get there soon enough

quote:

#6- Jesus never walked on water. Water skidoos weren't invented yet.

skidoos, yea great joke http://www.totse.com/bbs/rolleyes.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/rolleyes.gif)

Anyways, were there? Prove it!

quote:

#7- The bible imposes many false things as sins. "masturbation is lust & lust is a sin"=bullshit. "Waiting until marraige to have sex"=bullshit. Marraige is a human creation only. Reproduction has nothing to do with marraige.

Lust doesn't equal sin? Prove it!

If more people waited till marriage to have sex AIDS wouldn't be such a big deal.

quote:

#8- The devil nor god exists. People claim that the devil causes evil and makes people do bad. That is not true. People make there own choices. People kill people, not guns or the devil

Prove the devil doesn't exist!

quote:

#9- Jesus never cut a piece of bread into millions of pieces to feed tons of people.

Prove it! Were you there? Again, the bible is about metaphors and symbols. You're an idiot

quote:

#10- The churchs would kill people who had there own beliefs, pretty hypocritical wouldn't you say.

What about the death penalty? Killing a murderer. Pretty hypocritical wouldn't you say?

quote:

#11- The salem whichcraft trials, another fine example of religion and bull shit beliefs. Cost many people there lives.

They killed 20 people. Thats hardly any. A better example would have been the crusades dumbass. What about the 100,000 Iraqis that dies in this war right now? Your war of greed and sin.

quote:

#12- Religious followers claim that jesus will return to earth one day. If a man surfaced publicly and said "I am jesus" nobody would believe him. Not even religious members, than why beleive the bullshit?

First, the last part of that sentence doesn't make any sense. Second, Jesus said his return would be as visible as "lightning." People would know hes the real deal.

quote:

#13- If people didn't partake in this religious bullshit theories of the earths/lifes origin would be further along by now to a certain degree.

Perhaps. But we don't need those theories. God created everything!

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#14- Nobody has the answers to lifes mysteries. If you dispute a christian they will say "than tell me the answers" No bitch, nobody has the answers, just accept that already.

God has the answers. How does this prove Christianity is fake?

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#15- There is some type of force that makes the world go round, but no "god" as people beleive.

Prove it!

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#16- Adam & Eve is bullshit. Humans did not just appear out of thin air on earth. Nor did/can a human be created out of a rib.

They were made out of clay. Read the bible before you argue Christianity!

quote:

#17- Scientists have already proved evolution. This itself completely proves christianity false.

Nope. God put all of the bones there to test our faith.

quote:

#18- Noah did not build an arc nor save all the animals on earth. A makeshift piece of shit raft isn't going to sustain 40 days of a horrible storm and survive. That storm as well the story is made up bullshit.

Symbols! Metaphors! Dumbass!



**Note**

I'm actually an atheist, so don't bother trying to attack belief in God. I just hate it when kids like you show up and think that they know everything about the world. If your really devoted to being an atheist then you will study religion as much as possible. You cant argue something when you don't understand it. I suppose this thread proves that wrong, let me rephrase. You can't argue something well when you don't understand it.

lol y u lie mikey??

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quote:Originally posted by SilentMind:

That sounds more like bullshit aethist humor then anything else. Learn to backup your shit with logic, it'll go a long way.

I am an aethist, btw, and that was still a waste of time.

You are actually a douchbag, btw. Every fact I stated was "logic" dumbass. When you walk on water, then you can lick my ass.

quote:Originally posted by Punk_Rocker_22:

Symbols! Metaphors! Dumbass!



**Note**

I'm actually an atheist, so don't bother trying to attack belief in God. I just hate it when kids like you show up and think that they know everything about the world. If your really devoted to being an atheist then you will study religion as much as possible. You cant argue something when you don't understand it. I suppose this thread proves that wrong, let me rephrase. You can't argue something well when you don't understand it.

Let me help you understand a major point. I don't need to prove shit. You/other christians are the ones makeing the ridiculous claims. You need to prove that shit actually happened. Not the other way around. Jackass.

quote:Originally posted by Punk_Rocker_22:

Symbols! Metaphors! Dumbass!



**Note**

I'm actually an atheist, so don't bother trying to attack belief in God. I just hate it when kids like you show up and think that they know everything about the world. If your really devoted to being an atheist then you will study religion as much as possible. You cant argue something when you don't understand it. I suppose this thread proves that wrong, let me rephrase. You can't argue something well when you don't understand it.

The OP is a complete dumbass. That's a given.

However your replies in my eyes, are even worse. Even though they were generated to reveal his idiocy, the time and flawed logic you spent on replying to those statements have made you out to be just as bad as the OP.

Were you there? Is not a valid response to this kind of thing.

When I was 4, I killed my entire family with a crayola crayon and then blew bubble gum hot air balloons until I established a new race on the moon.

How do you know this is not true? Were you there?

quote:Originally posted by Punk_Rocker_22:

The bible isn't meant to be taken literally. There called symbols and metaphors, you learn about it once you reach the 7th grade. Don't worry, you'll get there soon enough

The bible was taken literally for hundreds upon hundreds of years, though. It has only recently begun to be taken metaphorically because that's the only way a sane person could possibly wrap their beliefs around something containing so many falsities proven wrong by modern science.

If modern science did not exist, people still would be taking the bible literally.

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Wow, kidiots running around.....

quote:Originally posted by bung:

The bible was taken literally for hundreds upon hundreds of years, though. It has only recently begun to be be taken metaphorically because that's the only way a sane person could possibly wrap their beliefs around something containing so many falsities proven wrong by modern science.

If modern science did not exist, people still would be taking the bible literally.

Word.

I think we now have enough proof to say this guy is just trolling.So everyone out of the thread single file now no shoving.

quote:Originally posted by mikeoxlong:

#1- Jesus was just a normal human being preaching his bullshit just like the many other guys that were doing the same thing at the time. Jesus was the one that made it mainstream.

Your logic is circular and backwards. You're placing the horse before the cart. To believe Christianity is true is to believe that Jesus was the son of God. However, neither of us was there, neither of us can know anything of the time period for sure. You have no proof for this supposed FACT.

quote:

#2- Virgin mary was no virgin. Women don't just become magically pregnant.

Yet again, you are making the same mistakes as above. Believing in any religion is believing that the impossible is possible, that there is a greater power, that there is no spoon even though it is there. This is simply a quality of religion.

quote:

#3- People didn't have the scientific technology/knowledge as we currently do. Religion was/is people beliefs based on no facts whatsoever.

Sounds a bit like your thread, doesn't it?

quote:

#4- Moses never lifted a river. He was an ordinary human.

True, Moses did never lift a river. According to the story he did call upon God to part a sea, though. Yet again, you are taking biblical stories and saying they never occurred. That's not proof of anything but your ability to choose not to believe a book.

quote:

#5- Jonah never 'hung out' in a whales mouth. That is complete ridiculous bullshit as well.

See above arguments.

quote:

#6- Jesus never walked on water. Water skidoos weren't invented yet.

You're a serious ass-hat. The whole concept of Christianity is that through divine intervention Jesus could do damn near anything. It's not a matter of logic or science, they have no bearing where the divine is concerned.

quote:

#7- The bible imposes many false things as sins. "masturbation is lust & lust is a sin"=bullshit. "Waiting until marraige to have sex"=bullshit. Marraige is a human creation only. Reproduction has nothing to do with marraige.

The Bible doesn't "impose" shit on anyone. The Bible contains teachings which several disciples, in conjunction with a few authors and priests thought it would be a good idea to teach. You are free to take the Bibles teachings or leave them. And as for the masturbation, I think a religion is free to make whatever it's leaders please a sin.

quote:

#8- The devil nor god exists. People claim that the devil causes evil and makes people do bad. That is not true. People make there own choices. People kill people, not guns or the devil

So, you're saying that God not existing is proof that God doesn't exist. Good luck with that one.

quote:

#9- Jesus never cut a piece of bread into millions of pieces to feed tons of people.

No he didn't, there were also three fish. Yet, again you saying that your disbelief is proof that the religion is flawed.

quote:

#10- The churchs would kill people who had there own beliefs, pretty hypocritical wouldn't you say.

I'll concede this point to you. The Church has done some terrible things in God's name. Of course, if you disagree with the president's views and actions, does that make America a bad place?

quote:

#11- The salem whichcraft trials, another fine example of religion and bull shit beliefs. Cost many people there lives.

You just said that, dumbfuck.

quote:

#12- Religious followers claim that jesus will return to earth one day. If a man surfaced publicly and said "I am jesus" nobody would believe him. Not even religious members, than why beleive the bullshit?

According to Biblical passages and theologians, the return of Christ won't be a guy showing up saying "Guess who." Rather He shall appear in the skies, a choir of angels at his side and a trumpet in hand. The dead shall first be brought unto Him, and then the living raptured away in the twinkling of an eye. ~Paraphrased version of Revelations

quote:

#13- If people didn't partake in this religious bullshit theories of the earths/lifes origin would be further along by now to a certain degree.

I don't see how this is proof of anything.

quote:

#14- Nobody has the answers to lifes mysteries. If you dispute a christian they will say "than tell me the answers" No bitch, nobody has the answers, just accept that already.

Well, wouldn't that be proof that a Christian's beliefs are as valid as your own?

quote:

#15- There is some type of force that makes the world go round, but no "god" as people beleive.

Now, you're back to saying that God doesn't exist because God doesn't exist?

quote:

#16- Adam & Eve is bullshit. Humans did not just appear out of thin air on earth. Nor did/can a human be created out of a rib.

Yet again, you are actually proving nothing. Granted, the story of Creation and Genesis is a leap of faith, but that is the whole point of religion. Salvation through FAITH

quote:

#17- Scientists have already proved evolution. This itself completely proves christianity false.

Yes, evolution does occur. No, this does not disprove Christianity. Evolution and Creation are not exclusive. Scientists have no better explanation for the BEGINNING of life than creationists. Only what happened after the ball got rolling.

quote:

#18- Noah did not build an arc nor save all the animals on earth. A makeshift piece of shit raft isn't going to sustain 40 days of a horrible storm and survive. That storm as well the story is made up bullshit.

The arc was not a "makeshift piece of shit raft". It was a sea worthy ship which took years to construct (or so the story goes). Regardless, you are once again denying religion because it takes a little faith. Throughout your post your arguments have been weak, ill thought out, and (with one exception) completely backwards. Your promised FACTS and failed to deliver. I call shenanigans and want my money back.

*DISCLAIMER* I am not a Christian. I am probably best described as an Agnostic leaning towards Atheism. However its this kind of ignorant bullshit that gives atheists a reputation as angry, belligerent, and completely retarded. All views expressed are my own, feel free to disagree and hate me forever. Individual Mileage May Vary *DISCLAIMER*



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Originally posted by Punk_Rocker_22:

"Prove it! Were you there?"

I don't need to prove that it didn't happen. You are the one makeing the claims.

"Prove it! Were you there?

It wasn't magic, it was the will of god"

Again I don't need to prove it. It isn't possible nor there god doesn't exsist. You are the one makeing the claims. Not me.

"Kind of like believing Jesus was a mortal with out any facts whatsoever?"

Douchebag, you would have to prove he was more than a mortal. Not the other way around. This proves you are an ignorant dumb asshole. I am not the one makeing the claims.

"Prove it! Were you there?"

Again you need to prove it asshole. Not me. He didn't raise a river. Accept it. Live it. Learn it. Love it.

"The bible isn't meant to be taken literally. There called symbols and metaphors, you learn about it once you reach the 7th grade. Don't worry, you'll get there soon enough"

Good. Than you agree it is all bullshit.

"Anyways, were there? Prove it!"

Again, you need to prove it, not me asshole. It never happened.

"Lust doesn't equal sin? Prove it!

If more people waited till marriage to have sex AIDS wouldn't be such a big deal."

What you said is totally irrelevant. It is also completely untrue. FYI, A.I.D.s didn't exist when the bible was preached dumbass.

"Prove the devil doesn't exist!"

Again, you need to prove the devil exists. Not me asshole.

"Prove it! Were you there? Again, the bible is about metaphors and symbols. You're an idiot"

Here you go again argueing these stories were just metaphors. You know they never happened. These stories were not just metaphors.

"What about the death penalty? Killing a murderer. Pretty hypocritical wouldn't you say?"

What the fuck is your point? We are not discussing the death penalty. I also never mentioned my views on it. But I like how you try to justify the thousands of murders given by the christian church.

"They killed 20 people. Thats hardly any. A better example would have been the crusades dumbass. What about the 100,000 Iraqis that dies in this war right now? Your war of greed and sin."

"Hardly any"? That is 20 lives to many. This was the example I gave dumbass. What about the War in Iraq? What the fuck is your point asshole. Next time state why you are relating Iraq to this arguement.

"First, the last part of that sentence doesn't make any sense. Second, Jesus said his return would be as visible as "lightning." People would know hes the real deal."

It made perfect sense. So you claim his return would be as visible as your glow in the dark dildo?

"Perhaps. But we don't need those theories. God created everything!"

More bullshit

"God has the answers. How does this prove Christianity is fake?"

God doesn't exist.

"Prove it!"

I don't need too. I stated there is some type of force that makes the world go round. This is true. Never did I state that there is a god (very definitive) & never did I state I could explain the force as you claim to explain god (very definitivly).

[b]"They were made out of clay. Read the bible before you argue Christianity!"

WOW! Humans were made out of clay. Now i'm def convinced...NOT, LMFAO! You're a douche. Try DNA.

"Nope. God put all of the bones there to test our faith."

That makes so much sense. I'm sure dinosaurs went to church everyday also.

"Symbols! Metaphors! Dumbass!"

Again you argue this, these stories were deemed real. The bible stated them happening as fact. Not metaphors.

[b]"

Jesus was born a Jew. Jesus died a Jew. Hell, according to the bible he came back and died again, but he was still a Jew. This is fact. It was his disciples that created a religion around him.

hahahahaha @ OP

Jesus wasn't a jew, man. He was all into the mystery religions and gnosticism and shit.

well I guess he was a jew, but not "racially" and he would be more of a mystic jew, but he really didn't have much to do with judaism except concerning the prophecies.

quote:Originally posted by Aces_and_Eights:

The arc was not a "makeshift piece of shit raft". It was a sea worthy ship which took years to construct (or so the story goes). Regardless, you are once again denying religion because it takes a little faith. Throughout your post your arguments have been weak, ill thought out, and (with one exception) completely backwards. Your promised FACTS and failed to deliver. I call shenanigans and want my money back.

*DISCLAIMER* I am not a Christian. I am probably best described as an Agnostic leaning towards Atheism. However its this kind of ignorant bullshit that gives atheists a reputation as angry, belligerent, and completely retarded. All views expressed are my own, feel free to disagree and hate me forever. Individual Mileage May Vary *DISCLAIMER*



When did I ever say that I was atheist as you keep claiming. I am not associated with any category. Also all of your "points" are bias and ignorantly retarded. Accept defeat you cock sucking wilderbeast.

quote:Originally posted by mikeoxlong:

[B]

"Prove it! Were you there?"

I don't need to prove that it didn't happen. You are the one makeing the claims.

Whoa. Hold up. YOU make a thread saying you have FACTS of why Christianity is fake. Then when I ask for the the facts you tell me that I am the one making the claims.



...and you spelled "making" wrong

quote:Originally posted by Punk_Rocker_22:

Whoa. Hold up. YOU make a thread saying you have FACTS of why Christianity is fake. Then when I ask for the the facts you tell me that I am the one making the claims.



...and you spelled "making" wrong

You Said "Prove the devil doesn't exist!"

As I said, it is not my job to prove that the devil doesn't exist. You are the one making the claims that the devil does exsist. I gave you the facts but you won't accept them.

quote:Originally posted by mikeoxlong:

When did I ever say that I was atheist as you keep claiming. I am not associated with any category. Also all of your "points" are bias and ignorantly retarded. Accept defeat you cock sucking wilderbeast.

I admit, I did assume based on your post that you disagreed with all religion in general. I'm sorry for forming a sweeping generality against you. However, if anyone's arguments have been bias or "ignorantly retarded" (not even going to mention the redundancy) they are yours. You have set out to make a fool of Christians and Christianity itself and have succeeded in only proving yourself to be ignorant of the subject of argument and more willing to spew bullshit than listen to others. Your logic is flawed and your reasoning laughable. Finally, I do not see how my views, regardless of how you feel about them, make me a "cock sucking wilderbeast". I will be wasting no more time on you or your shit thread. Good day, sir.

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quote:Originally posted by Aces_and_Eights:

I admit, I did assume based on your post that you disagreed with all religion in general. I'm sorry for forming a sweeping generality against you. However, if anyone's arguments have been bias or "ignorantly retarded" (not even going to mention the redundancy) they are yours. You have set out to make a fool of Christians and Christianity itself and have succeeded in only proving yourself to be ignorant of the subject of argument and more willing to spew bullshit than listen to others. Your logic is flawed and your reasoning laughable. Finally, I do not see how my views, regardless of how you feel about them, make me a "cock sucking wilderbeast". I will be wasting no more time on you or your shit thread. Good day, sir.



Where did I ever make ridiculous claims? I didn't. You are a cock sucking wilderbeast though.

quote:Originally posted by Punk_Rocker_22:

Whoa. Hold up. YOU make a thread saying you have FACTS of why Christianity is fake. Then when I ask for the the facts you tell me that I am the one making the claims.



...and you spelled "making" wrong



You said "Anyways, were there? Prove it!"

Next time you need to make sure that your grammer is immaculate before you try to bash somebody elses grammer. Otherwise it shows what a complete dumbass you are. Just like you just showed what a dumbass you are...



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Regardless, the thread description said there were facts disproving Christianity.

What are those facts?

quote:Originally posted by ArgonPlasma2000:

Regardless, the thread description said there were facts disproving Christianity.

What are those facts?

quote:Originally posted by ArgonPlasma2000:

Regardless, the thread description said there were facts disproving Christianity.

What are those facts?



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wow...is this the what? 1 billionth thread "disproving" christianity...hey morons! you CANT disprove FAITH!

how about trying to disprove islam next time? or don't you have the balls?

quote:Originally posted by vazilizaitsev89:

wow...is this the what? 1 billionth thread "disproving" christianity...hey morons! you CANT disprove FAITH!

how about trying to disprove islam next time? or don't you have the balls?

By no means am I singleing christianity out as fake. All religions aren't real. LOL @ scientology too.

quote:Originally posted by SAMMY249:

I think we now have enough proof to say this guy is just trolling.So everyone out of the thread single file now no shoving.

Im not going to repeat myself children its time to go.

quote:Originally posted by SAMMY249:

Im not going to repeat myself children its time to go.

See, It is events like this that will cause both atheists and christians to put aside their differences, and unite against the greater evil...

Stupidity.

The OP makes alot more sense than alot of you think. He is just stating that simple science is more believable than saying god created this and that. Ignorant christians try saying "you weren't there so you don't know". That is just retarded. YOU weren't there so how the fuck would you know all that bullshit is true? The OP is just using common sense. What are the chances that Jesus is the son of god and god created everything? Very, very, very, very, very, very slim. What are the chances that jesus was a normal person, and all that bible bullshit that people have believed for years is untrue? Very likely.

quote:Originally posted by Kazz:

See, It is events like this that will cause both atheists and christians to put aside their differences, and unite against the greater evil...

Stupidity.

Grasps hand and guids him out of the thread.

I thought this thread was dumb.

I think we know that ordinary humans can't do those things...That's kind of the whole point of the belief in God; a being seemingly superior to humankind.

I don't know, I'm not arguing either way. But this thread is kind of pointless.

*holds breath untill passes out*

That's the dumbest thing I've ever read.

Couldn't you at least think of a better argument?

A fact is "a concept that can be proven to be true." Facts are not necessarily truth. So stfu.

I'm an atheist an the thread does NOT have my approval.

Dude, I'm an atheist and I have to say that that's the worst argument ever.

quote:Originally posted by mikeoxlong:

The only thing "illogical" is your inability to comprehend the facts I stated.

alot of the stuff you said was just you saying things are bullshit without backing things up. ok, marraige and reproduction are unrellated, but its just not enough to say "masturbation is a sin = bullshit"

as for #15, the force that makes the world go round is called gravity, you should know that.

as for moses lifting a river, he was just a very lucky man. at the time of the crossing, a volcanoe near egypt (that is still there) erupted, causing a tsunami (that is the right word, before anyone tries to correct me), and because waves haves to draw water back first, that emptyed the river, the tsunami then crashes down on the egyptians. the jews he saved then right down that their saviour moses led them across a dryed up rivver, that then flooded on the egyptians, it gets exagerated.

red sea was a mistranslation of reed sea from hebrew to latin.

i dont believe in god, or any other religon. but still:

the bottom line is that half of what you said = bullshit

ok, alot of what has been said by the bible, and christianity is utterly stupid. not false, but stupid or exagerated greatly.

as for the existance of a creator god, you cant prove it.

there MIGHT be a god who created us. you cant prove the absnece, or the presence.

but really, if this god created us, this god was foolish enough to make us have free will, and to make us naturally doubting beings, and naturally inquisitive. bassicaly, if there is a god, is this god worthy of worship? i think not. did he contact mankind through prophets, well this is one of those unprovable things. ok mary was not a vrigin, BUT joseph was a descendant from david son of solomon. so jesus was the heir to the king of jews, as the bible would have it. its possible, just unlikely.

you cant just disprove religon with a post that lengnth, whether it was as ignorant as yours, or as intelligent as hawking, its just not enough. if you feel the need, then write a long paper on philosophy and whether there is a god. but please please please study philosophy and religon first, at A level or something, or get a degree. untill then - SHUT THE FUCK UP AND GET THE FUCK OUT

I think that Ingalls20 is the OP, by the fact that both failed to notice the part of everyones post that stated they were an atheist and called them ignorant christians.

I think what you say makes sense and i dont believe in god and fucking hate religion but those arnt facts, nothing factual about anything you, not one, all opinions and badly put too...

This is the type of thing a 13 year old would post on his myspace to be "edgy"

Congratulations giving atheists a bad name

the person who wrote this thread is cool...down with religion its all BULLSHIT

quote:Originally posted by mikeoxlong:

#1- Jesus was just a normal human being preaching his bullshit just like the many other guys that were doing the same thing at the time. Jesus was the one that made it mainstream.

#2- Virgin mary was no virgin. Women don't just become magically pregnant.

#3- People didn't have the scientific technology/knowledge as we currently do. Religion was/is people beliefs based on no facts whatsoever.

#4- Moses never lifted a river. He was an ordinary human.

#5- Jonah never 'hung out' in a whales mouth. That is complete ridiculous bullshit as well.

#6- Jesus never walked on water. Water skidoos weren't invented yet.

#7- The bible imposes many false things as sins. "masturbation is lust & lust is a sin"=bullshit. "Waiting until marraige to have sex"=bullshit. Marraige is a human creation only. Reproduction has nothing to do with marraige.

#8- The devil nor god exists. People claim that the devil causes evil and makes people do bad. That is not true. People make there own choices. People kill people, not guns or the devil

#9- Jesus never cut a piece of bread into millions of pieces to feed tons of people.

#10- The churchs would kill people who had there own beliefs, pretty hypocritical wouldn't you say.

#11- The salem whichcraft trials, another fine example of religion and bull shit beliefs. Cost many people there lives.

#12- Religious followers claim that jesus will return to earth one day. If a man surfaced publicly and said "I am jesus" nobody would believe him. Not even religious members, than why beleive the bullshit?

#13- If people didn't partake in this religious bullshit theories of the earths/lifes origin would be further along by now to a certain degree.

#14- Nobody has the answers to lifes mysteries. If you dispute a christian they will say "than tell me the answers" No bitch, nobody has the answers, just accept that already.

#15- There is some type of force that makes the world go round, but no "god" as people beleive.

#16- Adam & Eve is bullshit. Humans did not just appear out of thin air on earth. Nor did/can a human be created out of a rib.

#17- Scientists have already proved evolution. This itself completely proves christianity false.

#18- Noah did not build an arc nor save all the animals on earth. A makeshift piece of shit raft isn't going to sustain 40 days of a horrible storm and survive. That storm as well the story is made up bullshit.





I'm not a Christian, but you have no arguments. All you've done here was state what didn't happen. I could sum up your entire argument by saying "The Bible isn't real, and people that claimed to be Christian did bad things." Go home kiddy.

quote:Originally posted by Naminator01:

Life doesn't make sense, why would be born into a life of suffering to culminate in death?

You just put into words an idea that has been half formed in my mind for a while now. To add to it, how could a kind/loving/forgiving God punish a soul to an eternity of suffering for a lifetime of sin? Given the existence of Hell, a new testament Christian God cannot possibly exist. Oxymoron.

why post? you wont change my views on my religion.

I agree.

Is it coincidence that all this mystical miracle bullshit happened thousands of years ago before science was taken seriously?

No,people needed to think of ways the world worked then,but now we have evidence that shows that evoloution makes alot more sense than anything the bible has to say.

Look at roman mythology.Nobody beleives that stuff anymore but yet it makes as much sense as christianity.

The bible is full of morals.Its the morals of the bible storys that you need to pay attention to.The moral of David vs. Goliath was that the underdog can beat the big stongman.

To take it seriously and say it was a real event is losing the point of the story.

quote:Originally posted by Graemy:

I think that Ingalls20 is the OP, by the fact that both failed to notice the part of everyones post that stated they were an atheist and called them ignorant christians.

Uhhhh... No. All im saying is this guy deserves more credit than alot of you are giving him.

EDIT: I know most people who posted are atheists. The OP might of said a couple dumb things, but I agree with the general idea of what he is posting.



[This message has been edited by ingalls20 (edited 03-07-2007).]

I'm calling troll.

Honestly, calling everyone 'cock sucking wildebeasts'?

I love everybodys arguements claiming that science is just a bunch of bullshit and the fantasy shit written into books 2000 years ago is what really happened. Even most of you atheists disgust me.

And to some dumb asshole, gravity is not the force that makes the world go round. There is a force in existence but not a 'god'.

You people are pathetic and very fucking stupid. I'm very suprised that you even passed 2nd grade.

The bible is outdated and proven wrong. Just like religious followers beleived sneezeing released evil spirits when science actually proves sneezeing is just releaseing germs. Get over yourselves and realize the truth.

quote:Originally posted by mikeoxlong:

[b]Originally posted by Punk_Rocker_22:

"Prove it! Were you there?"

I don't need to prove that it didn't happen. You are the one makeing the claims.

"Prove it! Were you there?

It wasn't magic, it was the will of god"

Again I don't need to prove it. It isn't possible nor there god doesn't exsist. You are the one makeing the claims. Not me.

"Kind of like believing Jesus was a mortal with out any facts whatsoever?"

Douchebag, you would have to prove he was more than a mortal. Not the other way around. This proves you are an ignorant dumb asshole. I am not the one makeing the claims.

"Prove it! Were you there?"

Again you need to prove it asshole. Not me. He didn't raise a river. Accept it. Live it. Learn it. Love it.

"The bible isn't meant to be taken literally. There called symbols and metaphors, you learn about it once you reach the 7th grade. Don't worry, you'll get there soon enough"

Good. Than you agree it is all bullshit.

"Anyways, were there? Prove it!"

Again, you need to prove it, not me asshole. It never happened.

"Lust doesn't equal sin? Prove it!

If more people waited till marriage to have sex AIDS wouldn't be such a big deal."

What you said is totally irrelevant. It is also completely untrue. FYI, A.I.D.s didn't exist when the bible was preached dumbass.

"Prove the devil doesn't exist!"

Again, you need to prove the devil exists. Not me asshole.

"Prove it! Were you there? Again, the bible is about metaphors and symbols. You're an idiot"

Here you go again argueing these stories were just metaphors. You know they never happened. These stories were not just metaphors.

"What about the death penalty? Killing a murderer. Pretty hypocritical wouldn't you say?"

What the fuck is your point? We are not discussing the death penalty. I also never mentioned my views on it. But I like how you try to justify the thousands of murders given by the christian church.

"They killed 20 people. Thats hardly any. A better example would have been the crusades dumbass. What about the 100,000 Iraqis that dies in this war right now? Your war of greed and sin."

"Hardly any"? That is 20 lives to many. This was the example I gave dumbass. What about the War in Iraq? What the fuck is your point asshole. Next time state why you are relating Iraq to this arguement.

"First, the last part of that sentence doesn't make any sense. Second, Jesus said his return would be as visible as "lightning." People would know hes the real deal."

It made perfect sense. So you claim his return would be as visible as your glow in the dark dildo?

"Perhaps. But we don't need those theories. God created everything!"

More bullshit

"God has the answers. How does this prove Christianity is fake?"

God doesn't exist.

"Prove it!"

I don't need too. I stated there is some type of force that makes the world go round. This is true. Never did I state that there is a god (very definitive) & never did I state I could explain the force as you claim to explain god (very definitivly).

[b]"They were made out of clay. Read the bible before you argue Christianity!"

WOW! Humans were made out of clay. Now i'm def convinced...NOT, LMFAO! You're a douche. Try DNA.

"Nope. God put all of the bones there to test our faith."

That makes so much sense. I'm sure dinosaurs went to church everyday also.

"Symbols! Metaphors! Dumbass!"

Again you argue this, these stories were deemed real. The bible stated them happening as fact. Not metaphors.

"



But you said you had facts. Facts have proof, which have none. Your claims are as valid as theres, you have no proof against it, they have no proof for it.

Are you 12?

** Deuce Omen

quote:Originally posted by bung:

The bible was taken literally for hundreds upon hundreds of years, though. It has only recently begun to be taken metaphorically because that's the only way a sane person could possibly wrap their beliefs around something containing so many falsities proven wrong by modern science.

If modern science did not exist, people still would be taking the bible literally.



You talk like people don't anymore.

quote:Originally posted by mikeoxlong:

And to some dumb asshole, gravity is not the force that makes the world go round. There is a force in existence but not a 'god'.

Hahaha. You come on here telling us that Science is right and Christianity is a bunch of bullshit and then YOU tell us that a magical fairy force of bullshit makes the world go round. AHAHAHA. You're a fucking hypocrite.

Guess what? There is no magical force! Can you back up your claim that there is one? I think not!

quote:Originally posted by inuteroteen:

You talk like people don't anymore.

I said a sane person.

There's only one solution...

KILL THE CHRISTIANS

KILL THE MUSLIMS

KILL THE SCIENTOLOGISTS

^

Add Atheists and all other faiths to that list and we have evey human gone and the problem solved. Removing any specific group won't do shit because people will still kill each other and go to war even without faith.

quote:Originally posted by ingalls20:

Originally posted by Graemy:

I think that Ingalls20 is the OP, by the fact that both failed to notice the part of everyones post that stated they were an atheist and called them ignorant christians.

Uhhhh... No. All im saying is this guy deserves more credit than alot of you are giving him.

EDIT: I know most people who posted are atheists. The OP might of said a couple dumb things, but I agree with the general idea of what he is posting.





I think he deserves a little bit more credit, some of what he said was ok, the rest was stupid, unless he is trolling.

The real reason christianity is fake - Christians dont know jack shit about the bible.

This guy deserves NO credit. He just took parts of the bible and said they are fake, but didn't give solid evidence. If God is real, then those things could happen, because of "miracles". Now I'm an atheist, but there are MUCH more valid reasons.

Here's one :

Noah's ark. How can you fit tens of thousands of animals on one ark? The capacity of an ark would not allow him to, especialy without them wanting to eat each other, or sink the ship.



Now get some actual facts with solid evidence.

OP is dumb. Represents what he thinks as fact. Didnt bother reading all of it, but his point about women not being able to get pregnant without having sex is clearly wrong. Ever hear of invivo/invetro fertilization?

reccomendation: M/S

Seriously, this kid does not speak for all atheists. But really, the minute you start reading about talking snakes, fruit that gives you ethical knowledge and gates being blocked by flashing swords of fire, that's when your critical thinking skills should start going off and you realize that it's all unsubstantiated bullshit.

quote:Originally posted by SyncMaster763:

OP is dumb. Represents what he thinks as fact. Didnt bother reading all of it, but his point about women not being able to get pregnant without having sex is clearly wrong. Ever hear of invivo/invetro fertilization?

reccomendation: M/S

Oh, so God jacked off into a cup and then used a turkey baser to artificially inseminate Mary? Or perhaps he just jerked off and had her sit on it... nah, it was probably in vivo. I mean, he did manage to pull a rib out of Adam and build a woman with it. I'm sure he can remove an egg from Mary and then jack off on that to keep Mary pure.

quote:Originally posted by yango wango:

^

Add Atheists and all other faiths to that list and we have evey human gone and the problem solved. Removing any specific group won't do shit because people will still kill each other and go to war even without faith.

Atheism isn't a faith. Choosing not to believe in something because you've seen no evidence and it is unsubstantiated does not require faith. As I said in another thread, you'd be silly to believe me if I told you that there's a giant magical bunny behind your back that vanishes whenever anyone tries to look at it, especially if I gave you no evidence. Sure, we might all philosophically be agnostic about the bunny (as I am), admitting that there's a probability that it is real, but for the most part we know it's a load of cobblers.

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quote:Originally posted by Runaway_Stapler:

I'm calling troll.

Ditto.

Are you people fucking five? You're really going to argue with someone who says a person didn't become pregnet without having sex? You're seriously going to object to him saying a human being didn't lift a river, or a person didn't walk on water?

...

On account of a book you read that was written by people that nobody has met?

Seriously?

............. seriously?

Holy shit http://www.totse.com/bbs/eek.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/eek.gif)

Even the athiests who are flaming him for his "circular logic" are idiots. Everything we know of Christianity we know from the bible -> The bible says a person lifted a river -> This is obvious bullshit -> The bible is a book full of obvious bullshit -> Christianity it obvious bullshit. That's pretty linear.

...I mean... come on, seriously, guys. You believe what? It's just inconceivable how stupid you would have to be to believe that.

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quote:Originally posted by Hare_Geist:

Atheism isn't a faith. Choosing not to believe in something because you've seen no evidence and it is unsubstantiated does not require faith. As I said in another thread, you'd be silly to believe me if I told you that there's a giant magical bunny behind your back that vanishes whenever anyone tries to look at it, especially if I gave you no evidence. Sure, we might all philosophically be agnostic about the bunny (as I am), admitting that there's a probability that it is real, but for the most part we know it's a load of cobblers.



By all other faiths I meant buddhism, Hinduism, Toaism whatever I didn't imply atheism as a faith it's just how it read. I was saying if he was to remove religions people would still kill each other and the only solution would be to kill all humans with his logic.

mikeoxlong, you have proven yourself to be staggeringly stupid simply by trying (and failing horribly) to debunk an entire religion simply by making asinine statements based on your own opinions, then backing them up with absolutely nothing. You, sir, have failed horribly.

Now, go away before I taunt you a second time.

quote:Originally posted by dead_people_killer:

mikeoxlong, you have proven yourself to be staggeringly stupid simply by trying (and failing horribly) to debunk an entire religion simply by making asinine statements based on your own opinions, then backing them up with absolutely nothing. You, sir, have failed horribly.

Now, go away before I taunt you a second time.

Saying a person didn't lift a river is asanine?

Holy shit, seriously. Whenever I drive past a church with cars lined up to gt into the parking lot I always sort of laugh to myself.

quote:Originally posted by mikeoxlong:

The only thing "illogical" is your inability to comprehend the facts I stated.

Their not facts. They are dumbass statements which you have absolutely no proof about. You cannot prove anything about back then, and neither can I. But at least i believe in something besides a large explosion which created the entire universe then comets with life forms on it slammed a random planet which for some reason had every needed thing to sustain life.

You, are a total dumbass.

quote:Originally posted by cooldarkknick:

Their not facts. They are dumbass statements which you have absolutely no proof about. You cannot prove anything about back then, and neither can I.

They're not facts in that he cannot present proof, but it just doesn't seem like someone should have to present proof that someone didn't lift a river. Don't you see something strange about how all of this miraculous shit was occuring before anyone you've ever met was born? If a man told you he could walk on water or that he lifted a river you would be an idiot to believe him, so why do you believe it when it's written in a book by people you've never met?

And then, if you're willing to suspend your disbelief enough to buy into this sort of thing, you then have to choose which religion you are a part of. There are many, and none of them offer more evidence than the other. Good thing you have your parents to choose for you.

quote:Originally posted by cooldarkknick:

But at least i believe in something besides a large explosion which created the entire universe

The big bang theory may be extremely unlikely, but at least it could have happened. Believing in a god is in no way more logical than believing in the big bang; its argument is just set up so that it seems that way. Why should believers in the big band explain how such a thing came to be if you don't have to explain how God came to be? It's an illusion. The whole pretending God created the universe thing just diverts the argument from how the universe came to be. It's fine if you want to allow yourself to believe it, but just accept it for what it is and don't debate other people with your bullshit logic.

quote:Originally posted by cooldarkknick:

You, are a total dumbass.

wtf? Why is that comma there? Why can't form basic sentences properly? Typos are fine, but your posts are to the point of being annoying to read.

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quote:Originally posted by Fevered Ego:

The big bang theory may be extremely unlikely, but at least it could have happened. Believing in a god is in no way more logical than believing in the big bang; its argument is just set up so that it seems that way. Why should believers in the big band explain how such a thing came to be if you don't have to explain how God came to be? It's an illusion. The whole pretending God created the universe thing just diverts the argument from how the universe came to be. It's fine if you want to allow yourself to believe it, but just accept it for what it is and don't debate other people with your bullshit logic.



Why shouldn't he debate his beliefs? He is of faith this is a religious forum isn't it?

I knew this guy was a moron just from the thread title. I don't think you can call a religious institution that has shaped the history of mankind "fake".

A more accurate statement for what you meant to express would be "Christianity is Based on LIES".

Even then, you'd still be just another teenage troll.

quote:Originally posted by SAMMY249:

http://www.totse.com/bbs/rolleyes.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/rolleyes.gif) leaves thread due to another idiot posting an illogical rant.

Even with the power of divine intervention Yeshoua decided to die like a dog, so he could come back for a little bit, and leave. Seems silly, and what's up with the water walking, couldn't he do something cooler? I mean you're THE SUPREME BEING!!!!, and all you can do is turn water to wine, walk on water, and make food for people? Talk about sellin shit short, if he was really the Ultimate Pimp, as we claim him to be, why did he leave the system intact, couldn't he have forseen that power hungry jackals were gonna use his name for atrocities?

Why must we accept that "god" works in mysterious ways? It sounds an awful lot like a particular crutch that leads to circular reasoning, same with "just have faith,". Also how come god went from being a no shit taking overlord with a flaming sword, to a pussywillow turn the other cheek hippy? Furthermore, how come the same myth of Jesus appears in pagan literature? Why didn't Jesus write the bible, why did other people who never met him have to write it? Jesus was a practicing rabbi, he couldn't have been illiterate. Why does the church invent arbitrary dogmatized rules, and say they are the will of God? And how come no one believes I'm the second coming of Jesus?

OP, you are just recycling the same tired old excuses as the last guy who likely posted the 'FACTS of why christianity is FAKE'.

Why not simply point to the possibility that people back then (as you say yourself) weren't as educated as we were, and when some bloke decided to write a book about something that happened MORE THAN 200 YEARS PREVIOUSLY, no one at that time either was there as an eyewitness either.

You might as well have just said that christianity started out as a cult, at least then it would be a logical arguement over saying 'OH NO HE DIDN'T' like a fucking moron.

Your argument is retarded.

You're just saying that it didn't happen for most of them, with no justification.

quote:Originally posted by yango wango:

Why shouldn't he debate his beliefs? He is of faith this is a religious forum isn't it?

A debate would be fine, but his mock logic is just a waste of time.

#1- Jesus was just a normal human being preaching his bullshit just like the many other guys that were doing the same thing at the time. Jesus was the one that made it mainstream.

What's so bad about teaching people to be nice to one another? Even if Jesus wasn't the

song of God, he was still a good guy.

#2- Virgin mary was no virgin. Women don't just become magically pregnant.

God had sex with her.

#3- People didn't have the scientific technology/knowledge as we currently do. Religion was/is people beliefs based on no facts whatsoever.

Read the Bible.



#4- Moses never lifted a river. He was an ordinary human.

Moses did nothing, God did it for him.

#5- Jonah never 'hung out' in a whales mouth. That is complete ridiculous bullshit as well.

You don't know that, and the passage says big

fish, not whale. A bunch of people misinterpret it.



#6- Jesus never walked on water. Water skidoos weren't invented yet.

Again, you don't know if he did or did not walk on water.



#7- The bible imposes many false things as sins. "masturbation is lust & lust is a sin"=bullshit. "Waiting until marraige to have sex"=bullshit. Marraige is a human creation only. Reproduction has nothing to do with marraige.

If you had actually read the Bible you would know that it says nothing of the matter. Masturbation is not mentioned once. Marriage is something that is important to a relationship and the raising of a child.

#8- The devil nor god exists. People claim that the devil causes evil and makes people do bad. That is not true. People make there own choices. People kill people, not guns or the devil

The devil tempts people into doing evil. He rarely does any of it himself.



#9- Jesus never cut a piece of bread into millions of pieces to feed tons of people.

Again, you don't know that. And the passage said as they were passing it out they never ran out. God could have just been putting more in there.

#10- The churchs would kill people who had there own beliefs, pretty hypocritical wouldn't you say.

The Roman catholics would do so. Because they were not true Christians. True Christians were the ones responsible for destroying Rome. (Nero was using the ones being burned at the stake as street lights. Ended up burning down Rome too)



#11- The salem whichcraft trials, another fine example of religion and bull shit beliefs. Cost many people there lives.

Gah, it was because the people were so freaked out they didn't use their heads.

#12- Religious followers claim that jesus will return to earth one day. If a man surfaced publicly and said "I am jesus" nobody would believe him. Not even religious members, than why beleive the bullshit?

Because Jesus comes back during the battle of Armageddeon riding a white horse out of the sky.

#13- If people didn't partake in this religious bullshit theories of the earths/lifes origin would be further along by now to a certain degree.

Creation isn't a plausible theory? The chances for assembling a simple prokrayotic cell DNA strand is the same as playing a slot machine with a million different slots and a billion different symbols on each one, and hoping to get one certain symbol on all of them.

#14- Nobody has the answers to lifes mysteries. If you dispute a christian they will say "than tell me the answers" No bitch, nobody has the answers, just accept that already.

God does.

#15- There is some type of force that makes the world go round, but no "god" as people beleive.

That is an empty statement.

[/b]#16- Adam & Eve is bullshit. Humans did not just appear out of thin air on earth. Nor did/can a human be created out of a rib. [/b]

God made them out of dust.

#17- Scientists have already proved evolution. This itself completely proves christianity false.

Lol whut? Evolution is still just a theory.

#18- Noah did not build an arc nor save all the animals on earth. A makeshift piece of shit raft isn't going to sustain 40 days of a horrible storm and survive. That storm as well the story is made up bullshit.

Make shift? The thing was built over 50 years and was the length of 5 football fields.

[/B][/QUOTE]

The topic should be OPINIONS on to why Christianity is fake. I rest my case.

quote:Originally posted by Punk_Rocker_22:

Hahaha. You come on here telling us that Science is right and Christianity is a bunch of bullshit and then YOU tell us that a magical fairy force of bullshit makes the world go round. AHAHAHA. You're a fucking hypocrite.

Guess what? There is no magical force! Can you back up your claim that there is one? I think not!



"Magical fairy force"? Never once did I mention any magical fairy force as you claim. "Back up what claim"? You are a fucking Faggot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! FAGGOT FAGGOT FAGGOT FAGGOT FAGGOT FAGGOT FAGGOT FAGGOT FAGGOT FAGGOT FAGGOT FAGGOT FAGGOT FAGGOT FAGGOT FAGGOT FAGGOT FAGGOT FAGGOT FAGGOT FAGGOT FAGGOT FAGGOT FAGGOT

quote:Originally posted by SyncMaster763:

OP is dumb. Represents what he thinks as fact. Didnt bother reading all of it, but his point about women not being able to get pregnant without having sex is clearly wrong. Ever hear of invivo/invetro fertilization?

reccomendation: M/S

I love how you faggots make shit up as you so please. When did I ever say women can't get pregnant without haveing sex?...NEVER I said women don't magically become pregnant. Also invivo/invetro fertilization? didn't exist back when jesus was sucking cock. You dumb faggot.

quote:Originally posted by dead_people_killer:

mikeoxlong, you have proven yourself to be staggeringly stupid simply by trying (and failing horribly) to debunk an entire religion simply by making asinine statements based on your own opinions, then backing them up with absolutely nothing. You, sir, have failed horribly.

Now, go away before I taunt you a second time.



"My own opinion"? I stated FACTS . The bible is an opinion you faggot.

Almost everything you jsut said in that big ass post was stupid. You post about things that of course arn't true, but do they have moral justifications attached to them? I think so.

Take your aitheist head out of your ass.

Funny, how Christians tell you to prove something. They got all their ideas out of some old book, with absolutly nothing to back it up, lulz ensue as always.

quote:Originally posted by Aseren:

Funny, how Christians tell you to prove something. They got all their ideas out of some old book, with absolutly nothing to back it up, lulz ensue as always.

It's funny how aitheists ahve no reason in not believeing they just 'don't'. That's all you have to say, it's fake.. it's fake.. prove that it's fake.

You aitheist don't have divine knowledge that there is or is not a God and neither does anyone else here.

I can tell you one thing through its easier to not believe and jsut dismiss everything as fake, then it is to believe and stand up for what you do believe in.

Also, not all views of christianity have to come from the Bible.

quote:Originally posted by GrtZ:

It's funny how aitheists ahve no reason in not believeing they just 'don't'. That's all you have to say, it's fake.. it's fake.. prove that it's fake.

How can I disprove something that doesn't exist?

You make the claims, you prove that it's real.

quote:Originally posted by GrtZ:

You aitheist don't have divine knowledge that there is or is not a God and neither does anyone else here.

Exactly, your bs-machine is about faith, that's what it is all about, if there was some way to obtain this "divine knowledge" you speak off, we wouldn't be having this argument.

quote:Originally posted by GrtZ:

I can tell you one thing through its easier to not believe and jsut dismiss everything as fake, then it is to believe and stand up for what you do believe in.

I don't believe in the same thing you do, doesn't mean I don't stand up for the things I do believe in.

Very weird person you are.

quote:Originally posted by GrtZ:

Also, not all views of christianity have to come from the Bible.

lawlz ensue.

quote:Originally posted by mikeoxlong:

#1- Jesus was just a normal human being preaching his bullshit just like the many other guys that were doing the same thing at the time. Jesus was the one that made it mainstream.

#2- Virgin mary was no virgin. Women don't just become magically pregnant.

#3- People didn't have the scientific technology/knowledge as we currently do. Religion was/is people beliefs based on no facts whatsoever.

#4- Moses never lifted a river. He was an ordinary human.

#5- Jonah never 'hung out' in a whales mouth. That is complete ridiculous bullshit as well.

#6- Jesus never walked on water. Water skidoos weren't invented yet.

#7- The bible imposes many false things as sins. "masturbation is lust & lust is a sin"=bullshit. "Waiting until marraige to have sex"=bullshit. Marraige is a human creation only. Reproduction has nothing to do with marraige.

#8- The devil nor god exists. People claim that the devil causes evil and makes people do bad. That is not true. People make there own choices. People kill people, not guns or the devil

#9- Jesus never cut a piece of bread into millions of pieces to feed tons of people.

#10- The churchs would kill people who had there own beliefs, pretty hypocritical wouldn't you say.

#11- The salem whichcraft trials, another fine example of religion and bull shit beliefs. Cost many people there lives.

#12- Religious followers claim that jesus will return to earth one day. If a man surfaced publicly and said "I am jesus" nobody would believe him. Not even religious members, than why beleive the bullshit?

#13- If people didn't partake in this religious bullshit theories of the earths/lifes origin would be further along by now to a certain degree.

#14- Nobody has the answers to lifes mysteries. If you dispute a christian they will say "than tell me the answers" No bitch, nobody has the answers, just accept that already.

#15- There is some type of force that makes the world go round, but no "god" as people beleive.

#16- Adam & Eve is bullshit. Humans did not just appear out of thin air on earth. Nor did/can a human be created out of a rib.

#17- Scientists have already proved evolution. This itself completely proves christianity false.

#18- Noah did not build an arc nor save all the animals on earth. A makeshift piece of shit raft isn't going to sustain 40 days of a horrible storm and survive. That storm as well the story is made up bullshit.



1. Perhaps Jesus didn't even exist. Maybe he was just an ordinary guy. Maybe he was a particularly nice guy. We know he wasn't literally the son of God. But that doesn't invalidate Christianity or its paradigm at all.

2. No shit. Have a look at http://www.exitmundi.nl/bible/, it'll help you discover a lot about the Bible that you clearly need to know. Don't take everything literally, it could just be a lousy translation. Most likely it's an incorrect interpretation.

3. It's based on, among other things, the fact that the universe is naturally mysterious and we can never understand everything. This isn't as stupid as it might seem to you. We naturally relate a cause to every action, and when there is no proof for a known cause all we can do is guess, and assume. The assumption that we are not alone in the universe, and there is a supernatural Being, is not only a humbling thought but also explains a lot of mysteries that have puzzled us for ever, and may well continue to for a very long time.

4. We know this. Most sensible Christians accept this. Once again, check out that website. It explains how "parting the sea" or whatever is just a misleading translation.

5. Dodgy translation. Once again, doesn't invalidate Christianity, or even the Bible.

6. He either swam, or walked along the seashore (the Greek word for "go" can mean walk, or even swim - similarly the Greek word for "sea" can also mean "seashore" - so he either walked along the seashore and the fishermen were astonished by his presence (after all, why wouldn't he bother to go heal some lepers or something useful?), or he was swimming (equally astonishing, because very few people could swim at the time).

7. Marriage iomplies reproduction. It's all about socially acceptable behaviour at the time. Not all of the Bible is timeless; it was, however, accepted the world over for thousands of years that sex should only take place within marriage (stability, etc. - sex can become a distraction from more important things in life, as can anything that makes us feel better). Use some common sense. Our attitudes have only changed very recently and just because it doesn't apply today because societal attitudes have changed doesn't mean that the Bible has always been wrong.

8. The Devil might not be a literal being. The Devil could be a frame of mind. The Devil could be temptation, evil could be actions that unnessecarily harm others. The Devil is just a personificaTION OF evil, to make it easier for the plebs to understand and apply to their own lives. This was obviously a useful tool thousands of years ago.

The whole God bit has been debated so many times, it's not really worth me even mentioning it. Research it a bit.

9. Obviously not. So what. It could be a metaphor. Jesus' disciples didn't literally drink his blood at the Last Supper (if it ever happened - which I doubt), though to be fair this was made a little clearer in the Bible.

10. What?

11. They weren't very good Christians, now were they. Of course, medieval churches were incredibly corrupt, and monks and priests were incredibly well off in countries such as England. However today it's a different story. They take religion muich more seriously and think for themselves (to devote your life to Christianity this really is nessecary). Christianity has moved on a bit since the Salem witch trials.

12. That's a little shallow, now isn't it. If Jesus did return to Earth (most Christians consider this unlikely anyway), then I'm sure he would do more than just announce his arrival.

13. They're just fucking idiots. It's best if we ignore that lot. They're not helping anybody's cause except their own fucked-up one.

14. Nobody can give the answers, you're right. But Christianity is based on beliefs. Most importantly, it is based on beliefs on how to lead a good life. It's not all fire and brimstone for a reason. Why focus on death when there will be plenty of time for that on your deathbed. Wasting your life away to contemplate is not everyone's cup of tea, but many who wish to do so become Christians. It's important to distinguish between real (good) Christians and those who (falsely) call themselves Christian. There is more to Christianity than Genesis, you know. You don't have to believe in God to be a Christian. I don't.

15. At least try to pretend you have some evidence for anything you say. You need something to back up your opinion. Without it you might as well have said nothing.

16.Metaphor, most likely. Adam could represent one civilisation, Eve one that split from "Adam". God could be mankind. I don't know. I haven't contemplated it that much. But there are plenty of people out of there who have. The internet is a wonderful resource, so long as you learn to use it properly.

17. How coes that disprove Christianity? Taking the Bible literally is just fucking stupid.

18. So what, refer to everythning else I said about these stories and parables, research what the fuck you're talking about, http://www.exitmundi.nl/bible/.

In conclusion, you're a fucking tard. Get over yourself.

I'm glad that you posted the facts. Those religous types get all over zealous and just say shit that they would like too believe but have no proof of. <- Because the op's a dumass I'm letting him know this is sarcasm.

Theres no proof either way with religion. No one can prove he exists or deosn't exist. Thats why there's a word called faith. Christians or Buddhist or Muslims or anyone that insists they are right are dumasses. Same goes with athiest who insist they are right. Nobody knows for a fucking fact if there's a god or if theres not a god out there. Your just as (or more) stupid than the people your trying to criticise. So please just shut the hell up.

quote:Originally posted by SAMMY249:

http://www.totse.com/bbs/rolleyes.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/rolleyes.gif) leaves thread due to another idiot posting an illogical rant.



QFT

quote:Originally posted by Fevered Ego:

wtf? Why is that comma there? Why can't form basic sentences properly? Typos are fine, but your posts are to the point of being annoying to read.



I see a bad typo in your sentence as well.

well, no shit. does totse seem much like a biblethumper forum? this accomplishes nothing

quote:Originally posted by GrtZ:

It's funny how christions have no reason in believeing they just "do". That's all you have to say, it's real.. it's real.. prove that it's real.

You christian don't have divine knowledge that there is a God and neither does anyone else here.

Too long/didn't read.

quote:Originally posted by mikeoxlong:

Shut the fuck up you christian pig. You will accept the fact that I am your master now bitch.

eww we got a tough guy here! 20 bucks says if we were on the street nothing you just said would've came out of your mouth. hahahahahahah dude id fucking beat the shit out of you! O so your my master now huh??? ya come and try and put some shakles on me see how you do?!? SIT YOUR LITTLE PUSSY ASS DOWN AND SHUT THE FUCK UP, YOU LITTLE ARROGANT COCKSUCKER!!!

GO FUCK YOUR SISTER YOU INBRED BITCH!!!

Do you speak like that in church, Masta Thief?

Do you think Jesus would condone how you treat people verbally?

Do you really think the gates of Heaven are going to swing wide open for you, since you don't model your actions after the peaceful, loving demeanor of Jesus Christ?

There are times to be peaceful and loving, and there are times to not. Speak not of what you know not.

And it came to pass that the Spirit said unto me again: Slay him, for the Lord hath delivered him into thy hands;

Behold the Lord slayeth the wicked to bring forth his righteous purposes. It is better that one man should perish than that a nation should dwindle and perish in unbelief.

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