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I wont lie, I've never read the Qur'an, so I wouldn't know if Islamic scripture appeals to people in that situation more than something else. Does anyone know why Islamic conversion seems to be so prevalent in prisons?



[This message has been edited by cakezone (edited 03-14-2007).]

Because the Koran is a better read than the New Testament? Well, I think it is anyway, and I can't see many prisoners practicing Buddhism or even knowing anything about Hinduism.

quote:Originally posted by Hare_Geist:

Because the Koran is a better read than the New Testament? Well, I think it is anyway, and I can't see many prisoners practicing Buddhism or even knowing anything about Hinduism.

Hinduism is an ethnic religion, there's nothing in it about conversion. Generally, you're either born to it, or you're never going to be one.

Because joining a click in prison is the best way not to get ass probed...

quote:Originally posted by SurahAhriman:

Hinduism is an ethnic religion, there's nothing in it about conversion. Generally, you're either born to it, or you're never going to be one.

That's not true. You can be a Hindu and not belong to the ethnicity, just like you can be Jewish without having any Jewish blood in your body.

Says nothing about a necessity for a certain kind of ethnicity. (http://tinyurl.com/25h3p4)

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quote:Originally posted by Hare_Geist:

That's not true. You can be a Hindu and not belong to the ethnicity, just like you can be Jewish without having any Jewish blood in your body.

Says nothing about a necessity for a certain kind of ethnicity. (http://tinyurl.com/25h3p4)



Quite right... There are more than a few Westerners that practice it simply because of the whole "Aryan" myth attached to it...

I really have nothing to back this up this is just my opinion but, I think we have this idea because it has been almost glorified in the media. It may also be that we (non prisoners) have started to see Islam as a religion of violence therefore it may seem fit for a violent person to follow. I actually highly doubt that there are more Islamic conversions than there are Christian conversions.

quote:Originally posted by kurdt318:

I actually highly doubt that there are more Islamic conversions than there are Christian conversions.

I suppose it may also be that since most of America is Christian, even if a prisoner starts taking Christianity more seriously, if they come from a Christian family they probably wouldn't consider it a conversion.

I'll tell you why:

Because the III&E (The Institute of Islamic Information & Education) makes damn sure that their doctrines are marketed in such a way as to practically prey on the oppressed, downtrodden, and vulnerable men and women locked up in prisons who are looking for some strand of hope to hang onto.

http://tinyurl.com/2f82ef

Their tenacity and dogged determination would be admirable if we could forget that what they're striving for is complete world domination. They are going to make damn sure that their religious memes continue propagating, no matter what. Allah wills this.

quote:Originally posted by kurdt318:

I really have nothing to back this up this is just my opinion but, I think we have this idea because it has been almost glorified in the media. It may also be that we (non prisoners) have started to see Islam as a religion of violence therefore it may seem fit for a violent person to follow. I actually highly doubt that there are more Islamic conversions than there are Christian conversions.

It truly is becoming epidemic. Islam brags about it:

The National Islamic Prison Foundation claims to convert an average of 135,000 prisoners a year and federal prison statistics estimate that 10 to 20 percent of prisoners in America are Muslims. Sulayman Nyang, a professor of African Studies at Howard University, estimated that one of 10 African-American Muslims today came to the faith through a prison conversion.

Source (http://tinyurl.com/2y94v9)

I don't think in this instance, the media is just blowing it out of proportion. They are just reporting on it.

Islam In The Big House (http://tinyurl.com/2yjkwe)

So they can say "I'm a muslim, and if you shove your cock up my ass again the bomb I have up there might explode."

quote:Originally posted by Hare_Geist:

Because the Koran is a better read than the New Testament.

QFT, no offense intended to People of the Book

because people in prison like reading violence.

Because prisons are full of niggers, and nigger prisoners and nigger athletes love to convert to Islam.

quote:Originally posted by Hare_Geist:

That's not true. You can be a Hindu and not belong to the ethnicity, just like you can be Jewish without having any Jewish blood in your body.

Says nothing about a necessity for a certain kind of ethnicity. (http://tinyurl.com/25h3p4)



Religions in general can be divided into two categories, ethnic (Judeism and Hinduism) and universal (Christianity, Islam, Buddhism). The difference is the emphasis on conversion in universal religions (which generally share the belief that practicing their religion is better for everyone than not practicing it). While I'm sure there are ways to convert to Judeism or Hunduism, converting isn't nearly the big deal it is in a universal religion.

quote:Originally posted by SurahAhriman:

Religions in general can be divided into two categories, ethnic (Judeism and Hinduism) and universal (Christianity, Islam, Buddhism). The difference is the emphasis on conversion in universal religions (which generally share the belief that practicing their religion is better for everyone than not practicing it). While I'm sure there are ways to convert to Judeism or Hunduism, converting isn't nearly the big deal it is in a universal religion.

The reason conversion isn't a big deal isn't because of ethnicity.

quote:There is no concept of conversion in Hinduism. Hinduism believes in one God. If you read the Bible, you can see expressions like "God of the Egyptians", "God of Israelites", etc. Hinduism does not believe in many Gods like this. Hinduism believes in one God, whom everyone of every religion call by various names and worship in their own way. It is said in the Vedas that "God is one. The wise men call Him by various names." You should note here that the people who call God by various names are called "wise men". In the Bhagavat Gita, it is said that in whatever way a man worships God, God being Omniscient, knows that He is being worshipped and responds to the sincerity of the worshipper. Hinduism accepts diversity of religions and accepts the validity if several paths, and so there is no concept of conversion.

Hinduism cares only about vertical conversion. Hinduism encourages and helps a Christian to be a better Christian and a Muslim to be a better Muslim. Any Hindu saint will ask a Christian to have faith in Christ and go to Church regularly. He will ask a Muslim to have faith in Allah and perform the religious duties ordained in the Koran sincerely. Hinduism does not support horizontal conversion from one faith to another.

Hindus consider claims that "if you do not believe in Christ, you will be doomed" as a disparaging remark on Christ. Christ is a personification of selflessness. His love is unconditional. Putting conditions like this on Him is blasphemy.

quote:Originally posted by Jove:

Because joining a click in prison is the best way not to get ass probed...

I'm not sure why everyone else hasn't recognized that this is the actual answer. If you don't click with others in prison, you're going to get passed around for Cup O' Noodles and shaving razors. Who better to click with than those who can help you get out of prison sooner AND will back you up in a prison fight even if it means committing suicide while taking as many people as they can with them?

I would take it up the ass rather than convert to Islam. It would be after the fight, of course. And I wouldn't plan on losing.

http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif)

quote:Originally posted by postdiluvium:

I'm not sure why everyone else hasn't recognized that this is the actual answer. If you don't click with others in prison, you're going to get passed around for Cup O' Noodles and shaving razors. Who better to click with than those who can help you get out of prison sooner AND will back you up in a prison fight even if it means committing suicide while taking as many people as they can with them?

You have much wisdom between your ears...

quote:Originally posted by Pinball Mgruff:

Because prisons are full of niggers, and nigger prisoners and nigger athletes love to convert to Islam.



Prisons are full of racists, but I am sure they could make room for you.

quote:Originally posted by Pinball Mgruff:

Because prisons are full of niggers, and nigger prisoners and nigger athletes love to convert to Islam.

QFT

quote:Originally posted by SurahAhriman:

Religions in general can be divided into two categories, ethnic (Judeism and Hinduism) and universal (Christianity, Islam, Buddhism). The difference is the emphasis on conversion in universal religions (which generally share the belief that practicing their religion is better for everyone than not practicing it). While I'm sure there are ways to convert to Judeism or Hunduism, converting isn't nearly the big deal it is in a universal religion.

Wow...That's fucking ignorant. In Judaism, converts are practically MORE important than born jews. Search Ruth in Wikipedia. Fucking dumbass.

quote:Originally posted by nipple_master:

Wow...That's fucking ignorant. In Judaism, converts are practically MORE important than born jews. Search Ruth in Wikipedia. Fucking dumbass.

Not true, conversion to Judaism is not pursued.

Judaism is for all practical purposes a closed off system.

quote:Originally posted by Jove:

Not true, conversion to Judaism is not pursued.

Judaism is for all practical purposes a closed off system.

Wow...Thats bullshit. Conversion to Judaism is still prevalent, and rabbis' encourage it. The significance stems from the fact that if conversions would not take place, King David, and eventually the Messiah would not exist as well. Closed off system my ass.

Well apparently the real true correct Quran is written in Arabic, any translation of it makes it not the real Quran anymore. So who ever is reading it in English, is not actually reading the Quran, unless you intend to learn Arabic But i doubt half of them do.

quote:Originally posted by nipple_master:

Wow...Thats bullshit. Conversion to Judaism is still prevalent, and rabbis' encourage it. The significance stems from the fact that if conversions would not take place, King David, and eventually the Messiah would not exist as well. Closed off system my ass.

You're taking this shit too personal... and yeah it's very closed off. Rabbis do NOT "encourage it" your pulling that right out yer ass. As a matter of fact the prospective convert has to ask 3 times... each time being turned away. And finally if it's so open why is the Jewish population not growing?

quote:Originally posted by nipple_master:

Wow...That's fucking ignorant. In Judaism, converts are practically MORE important than born jews. Search Ruth in Wikipedia. Fucking dumbass.

Actually, Jews would rather not have people convert. They would rather have people just follow The Law. According to them, converting is not required.

quote:Originally posted by postdiluvium:

Actually, Jews would rather not have people convert. They would rather have people just follow The Law. According to them, converting is not required.

Noahide law to be precise, not the complete version the Jews themselves follow...

The Brotherhood.

Hare, stop focusing on the word "ethnic". It's mostly used just to distunguish from universal religions. Though really, being Jewish implies being Hebrew (or one of the other strains that I think I remember there being. I am by no means a Jewish Scholar), and being Hindu implies being Indian. Can you name a typical ethnicity for Christianity, Islam or Buddhism?

And to the other jackass (not calling you a jackass, Hare) who took offense to my post, when was the last time you saw a Jewish missionary outside of Civ IV?

To the OP:

When you are in prison some feel their lives are lost and need to seek refuge in something, for example a higher power or something. so some of them become religious. Given the fact that Christianity is a religion of brotherly love and help thy neighbor - things that don't go well with prison - they choose to convert to Islam is a more self-righteous religion.

Hope you understand. i am shit at explaining things.

quote:Originally posted by Anarky:

To the OP:

When you are in prison some feel their lives are lost and need to seek refuge in something, for example a higher power or something. so some of them become religious. Given the fact that Christianity is a religion of brotherly love and help thy neighbor - things that don't go well with prison - they choose to convert to Islam is a more self-righteous religion.

Hope you understand. i am shit at explaining things.

With all of the rhetoric it has concerning treating the poor and orphans with respect, equality and kindness, of course its a self-righteous religion http://www.totse.com/bbs/rolleyes.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/rolleyes.gif)

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/03/23/60minutes/main2602308.shtml



http://news.scotsman.com/latest.cfm?id=457892007

quote:Originally posted by your enemy:



http://www.norwaypost.no/cgi-bin/norwaypost/imaker?id=36243

Your point being?