I'm pretty sure that evolution means that life adapts to suit it's surroundings. If this is the case, then why didn't humans evolve as the first life-form on Earth? We can survive in pretty much any climate thanks to technology. Why would evolution bother with monkeys, birds and frogs?

Edit: Ok, how about this. If humans evolved from monkeys. Why are some monkeys still alive? And what about the animals that would be in between humans and monkeys, where are they?

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because, you have to start from the beginning, you cant start with something complex. Just like when you draw, you start with a line, then end with a beautiful drawing.

Because you are a moron. Your question would be retarded in 5th grade.

because it would be like saying 1+1=6 it can't happen it has to progress. Just like the Wright Brothers didn't build a Boeing 747 for their first flight, things take time with many failed attempts.

Because evolution isn't a god, it doesn't plan things ahead of time. It's a process that occurs naturally, like erosion or forest fires. Read a fucking book!

read and get you some edumacation http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_selection



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quote:Originally posted by Viraljimmy:

Because evolution isn't a god, it doesn't plan things ahead of time. It's a process that occurs naturally, like erosion or forest fires. Read a fucking book!

quote:Originally posted by Galbador:

I'm pretty sure that evolution means that life adapts to suit it's surroundings. If this is the case, then why didn't humans evolve as the first life-form on Earth? We can survive in pretty much any climate thanks to technology. Why would evolution bother with monkeys, birds and frogs?

Edit: Ok, how about this. If humans evolved from monkeys. Why are some monkeys still alive? And what about the animals that would be in between humans and monkeys, where are they?



Dear Science,

I'm praying to you now because I am very desperate. I'd pray to a God, but, well, let's be honest, you have a much higher success rate. Anyway, I'm praying that this guy is a troll, because I don't think I could sleep at night knowing there are people who are this thoroughly stupid in every way out there in the world. Please, just this once, tell me that this guy is joking and not really completely retarded.

Not only did you fail to read any books or lift a finger to do any sort of research at all, such as consulting wikipedia, or googling it, or attempting to understand anything about evolution whatsoever, but you declared that your own stupidity was not only proof that evolution was wrong, but that creationism must be true.



Please, please, please be a troll.

Ok I'll answer your last question easily and laconically.

Look, the reason apes (not monkeys retard) are still around is becasue only certain apes evolved b/c their enviorment called for it.



Its the same thing with Darwin's finches. Some stayed the same, but others on diffrent islands EVOLVED to their seperate climate/condition.

So Island A has hard nuts which need a stong beak. Ok?

Island B has no nuts, but lots of bugs, to get those bugs a bird needs a thing beak to snatch them.



The same speceis is seperated onto those 2 islands. The birds have average beaks, not too stong or long.

The Birds on island A OVER TIME develope a stong hard beak b/c those with weak beaks die out and cant reprocude.

On Island B the birds with thick beaks die out and the thing birds take over.



THUS EVOLUTION EXSISTS!

ITs fucking simple, your an un-educated retard and when you die you wont even realize it b/c there is no god or heaven or anything else.

quote:Originally posted by Viraljimmy:

Because evolution isn't a god, it doesn't plan things ahead of time. It's a process that occurs naturally, like erosion or forest fires. Read a fucking book!

Funny. Those processes result in simpler systems from more complex. http://www.totse.com/bbs/wink.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/wink.gif)

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This is what I hate about most Christians - they're too fucking stupid to make valid points. You title the thread "proof for creationism" and then ask questions to try to disprove evolution. You don't understand even the most rudimentary aspects of evolution. It's all so common among devout christians. I hope to all hell that you're just a troll.

He got us. Game Over guys.

quote:Originally posted by Galbador:



Edit: Ok, how about this. If humans evolved from monkeys. Why are some monkeys still alive? And what about the animals that would be in between humans and monkeys, where are they?



First off, we evolved from an ape-like mammal you fool! Secondly, those animals in between evolved into US!

quote:Originally posted by Galbador:

And what about the animals that would be in between humans and monkeys, where are they?



I think you're it bud.

I smell a troll. Spelling and grammar seems a little too good generally when compared to people who genuinely cannot answer these simplistic questions themselves. (Or use the power of googledotcom)



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I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

quote:Originally posted by IanBoyd3:

Dear Science,

I'm praying to you now because I am very desperate. I'd pray to a God, but, well, let's be honest, you have a much higher success rate. Anyway, I'm praying that this guy is a troll, because I don't think I could sleep at night knowing there are people who are this thoroughly stupid in every way out there in the world. Please, just this once, tell me that this guy is joking and not really completely retarded.

Not only did you fail to read any books or lift a finger to do any sort of research at all, such as consulting wikipedia, or googling it, or attempting to understand anything about evolution whatsoever, but you declared that your own stupidity was not only proof that evolution was wrong, but that creationism must be true.



Please, please, please be a troll.

HAHAHAHAHA!!! thats kinda funny considering your type of people only acount for 2.6% of the world bitch.

ps. did the math on another topic. owned that guy too, all he could say after i showed he wasnt the supreme was "so what"! ha lil girls just sit down and be quite!

The amount of people believing in something has no effect on whether or not it is objectively true. If we add up all the people who don’t believe in Christianity, then there are more people who believe it is a lie than there are those who think it is true, the same goes for all religions and atheism (which isn’t a religion).

Someone believing in something you believe in doesn’t make you superior either. You’re an idiot.

quote:Originally posted by Hare_Geist:

The amount of people believing in something has no effect on whether or not it is objectively true. If we add up all the people who don’t believe in Christianity, then there are more people who believe it is a lie than there are those who think it is true, the same goes for all religions and atheism (which isn’t a religion).

Someone believing in something you believe in doesn’t make you superior either. You’re an idiot.

hmm, 2.6% compared to 33.3%! plus add up the Christians, Muslims, and Jews(we all stem from the same thing) and we are way more than half!!! We are just arguing which one is correct!

Masta Thief, you lack the qualities that make most trolls even barely tolerable.

Just had to get that out there.

quote:Originally posted by AngryFemme:

Masta Thief, you lack the qualities that make most trolls even barely tolerable.

Just had to get that out there.

your just jealous cause i owned you all! and now you got no valid comeback!

quote:Originally posted by Masta Thief:

your just jealous cause i owned you all! and now you got no valid comeback!



There is no need of a comeback. Your having owned anyone exists only in your imagination.

quote:Originally posted by truckfixr:

There is no need of a comeback. Your having owned anyone exists only in your imagination.



Excuses excuses!!! you dont give me a comeback cause you dont got one BITCH!!!

quote:Originally posted by Masta Thief:

hmm, 2.6% compared to 33.3%! plus add up the Christians, Muslims, and Jews(we all stem from the same thing) and we are way more than half!!! We are just arguing which one is correct!



Jews don't believe in Christianity though, and Muslims don't believe Jesus is the son of God, idiot. And you missed all the other religions, which there are loads of.

You may be arguing, but they don't believe you. Add up all the Muslims, Jews, atheists, Hindus, Jainists, Sikhs, Animists, satanists, etc. etc. etc. and you'll see my point, idiot.

quote:Originally posted by Hare_Geist:

Originally posted by Masta Thief:

hmm, 2.6% compared to 33.3%! plus add up the Christians, Muslims, and Jews(we all stem from the same thing) and we are way more than half!!! We are just arguing which one is correct!



Jews don't believe in Christianity though, and Muslims don't believe Jesus is the son of God, idiot. And you missed all the other religions, which there are loads of.

You may be arguing, but they don't believe you. Add up all the Muslims, Jews, atheists, Hindus, Jainists, Sikhs, Animists, satanists, etc. etc. etc. and you'll see my point, idiot.

PEOPLE LISTEN!!! i said we all(christians,muslims, and jews) all come from the same place!!!! Abraham! one clan followed one son and one clan the other! then from the Christians come from Jews! like a tree!!! We all have relativly the same idea on who God is(or that there is one)! but we dissagre on his personality(kinda)! SO SIT DOWN YOU LITTLE SOCIALIST LIBERAL CUNT!!!

quote:Originally posted by Hare_Geist:

... and you'll see my point, idiot.

No, he won't. He hasn't the ability to understand any logical argument.

quote:Originally posted by Hare_Geist:

The amount of people believing in something has no effect on whether or not it is objectively true...

quote:Originally posted by truckfixr:

No, he won't. He hasn't the ability to understand any logical argument.





AW MAN watch out for you! we got a badass over here! nice way to own me asshole!

"!!!BITCH!!!"

quote:PEOPLE LISTEN!!! i said we all(christians,muslims, and jews) all come from the same place!!!! Abraham! one clan followed one son and one clan the other! then from the Christians come from Jews! like a tree!!! We all have relativly the same idea on who God is(or that there is one)! but we dissagre on his personality(kinda)! SO SIT DOWN YOU LITTLE SOCIALIST LIBERAL CUNT!!!

Yes, but Jews don't believe in Christianity, nor do Muslims believe in the central tenet that Jesus is the son of God. Muslims also ignore the NT because they think it's corrupt. Therefore, they believe your religion isn't true, therefore they go on the list of people who aren't Christians.

Idiot.

quote:Originally posted by Hare_Geist:

Yes, but Jews don't believe in Christianity, nor do Muslims believe in the central tenet that Jesus is the son of God. Muslims also ignore the NT because they think it's corrupt. Therefore, they believe your religion isn't true, therefore they go on the list of people who aren't Christians.

Idiot.

hahahahahha, wat a dumbass hahahahah!!!! i didnt even say they were Christian! hahahahahahhaahha!!! saweet dude nice arguement about nothing! i said we are fighting over differ views of the one God! and until your population of idiots rises higher than ours then you now longer have the right to argue in numbers! hahahaha you prob wouldnt understand them anyways!!!!!

quote:Originally posted by Masta Thief:

hahahahahha, wat a dumbass hahahahah!!!! i didnt even say they were Christian! hahahahahahhaahha!!! saweet dude nice arguement about nothing! i said we are fighting over differ views of the one God! and until your population of idiots rises higher than ours then you now longer have the right to argue in numbers! hahahaha you prob wouldnt understand them anyways!!!!!

My point still stands that there are more people who don't believe in your specific Abrahamic religion than there are that do.

Either way, using the ad populum argument (which is a fallacy generally) to try and prove the superiority of your religion doing anything other than duping people into false beliefs is fucking stupid.



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quote:Originally posted by Hare_Geist:

Are you kidding me? Christians may think it's the same God, but it's nothing like the God in the Old Testament. Besides, my point still stands that there are more people who don't believe in your specific Abrahamic religion than there are that do.

hahahhahahahaahahah!!!! hes still trying oh this is to great!!! ahahahhahahahahah!!!! (nerdy voice) "sniff" Actually you are quite wrong about your point in the previous statement "sniff" !! If my calculations are correct than it would be around "sniff" a bit over 60% of the world,(if not 70+ that number was being modest)! "sniff" proving your accusations wrong as well as proving your a dumbass!!!!

hahahahahah lol!!!

60+% compared to 2.6% = chances are you go to hell!

have a nice day!



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You're a silly sausage, you troll you. 60% of the world do not belong to your specific Abrahamic religion and all the other Abrahamic religions don't believe in your religion.

# Christianity: 2.1 billion

# Islam: 1.3 billion

# Secular/Nonreligious/Agnostic/Atheist: 1.1 billion

# Hinduism: 900 million

# Chinese traditional religion: 394 million

# Buddhism: 376 million

# primal-indigenous: 300 million

# African Traditional & Diasporic: 100 million

# Sikhism: 23 million

# Juche: 19 million

# Spiritism: 15 million

# Judaism: 14 million

# Baha'i: 7 million

# Jainism: 4.2 million

# Shinto: 4 million

# Cao Dai: 4 million

# Zoroastrianism: 2.6 million

# Tenrikyo: 2 million

# Neo-Paganism: 1 million

# Unitarian-Universalism: 800 thousand

# Rastafarianism: 600 thousand

# Scientology: 500 thousand

2.1 billion equals 60%? Get real.

quote:60+% compared to 2.6% = chances are you go to hell!

Prove to me that something is true based on how many people believe in it, please.

quote:Originally posted by Hare_Geist:

You're a silly sausage, you troll you. 60% of the world do not belong to your specific Abrahamic religion and all the other Abrahamic religions don't believe in your religion.

# Christianity: 2.1 billion

# Islam: 1.3 billion

# Secular/Nonreligious/Agnostic/Atheist: 1.1 billion

# Hinduism: 900 million

# Chinese traditional religion: 394 million

# Buddhism: 376 million

# primal-indigenous: 300 million

# African Traditional & Diasporic: 100 million

# Sikhism: 23 million

# Juche: 19 million

# Spiritism: 15 million

# Judaism: 14 million

# Baha'i: 7 million

# Jainism: 4.2 million

# Shinto: 4 million

# Cao Dai: 4 million

# Zoroastrianism: 2.6 million

# Tenrikyo: 2 million

# Neo-Paganism: 1 million

# Unitarian-Universalism: 800 thousand

# Rastafarianism: 600 thousand

# Scientology: 500 thousand

2.1 billion equals 60%? Get real.

Nice! where did you get that info from? i got mine from a gov. source! still lets look at that for a sec!

mmhhmmm yep chances are you still go to hell!!!hahahahahahahahahahahah

have a nice a day!!!!

quote:Originally posted by Masta Thief:

Nice! where did you get that info from? i got mine from a gov. source! still lets look at that for a sec!

You show me yours first and I'll show you mine. (I'm saying this because it's quite obvious you're lying about your numbers)

quote:mmhhmmm yep chances are you still go to hell!!!hahahahahahahahahahahah

You're really not worthy of my time.



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quote:Originally posted by Hare_Geist:

Prove to me that something is true based on how many people believe in it, please.



ok lets see 2.1+1.3+.014=3.414

3.414/6= 56.9%

hahahahhahaha even in your (wrong) info im right and your wrong!hahahahahah you just got self owned!!! hahahahahahha

Chances are you still go to hell! hahahahah



have a nice day! and have a nice trip to hell!!! hahahahahahha!!!

You've just stated how many people believe in something, you haven't proven that something is true based on how many people believe in it.

You fail.

This thread is a prime example of how immature and disrespectful people are to each other in this forum.

Hare Geist, why are you even entertaining this kidiot?

quote:Originally posted by Hare_Geist:

You've just stated how many people believe in something, you haven't proven that something is true based on how many people believe in it.

You fail.

hahahahahahahah look hes tryig to change the arguement! hahahahahahahaha omg dude keep it up this is hillarious!!! hahahahahahahahahah!

just to defend future arguements, id like to state that he said combine them all and they outmatch what i said(he proved him self wrong lol), and i told him he couldnt argue being his numbers so low compared to mine and he said again the same thing which again it lead to him being selfowned!!

hahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!

quote:Originally posted by ---Beany---:

Hare Geist, why are you even entertaining this kidiot?

Something to do while listening to recordings of Robert Solomon lecture on Kierkegaard.

quote:Originally posted by Masta Thief:

hahahahahahahah look hes tryig to change the arguement! hahahahahahahaha omg dude keep it up this is hillarious!!! hahahahahahahahahah!

just to defend future arguements, id like to state that he said combine them all and they outmatch what i said(he proved him self wrong lol), and i told him he couldnt argue being his numbers so low compared to mine and he said again the same thing which again it lead to him being selfowned!!

hahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!



You’ve proven nothing. I stated that the “amount of people believing in something has no effect on whether or not it is objectively true” and to prove this I played a little game. I added up all the people who believe your specific Abrahamic religion is untrue and showed it far outweighed those who believed it to be true.

You’ve yet to refute that, nor have you refuted my point that “using the ad populum argument (which is a fallacy generally) to try and prove the superiority of your religion doing anything other than duping people into false beliefs is fucking stupid.” Oh, and "you haven't proven that something is true based on how many people believe in it" either.





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quote:Originally posted by Hare_Geist:

You’ve proven nothing. I stated that the “amount of people believing in something has no effect on whether or not it is objectively true” and to prove this I played a little game. I added up all the people who believe your specific form of Christianity is untrue and showed it far outweighed those who believed it to be true.

You’ve yet to refute that, nor have you refuted my point that “using the ad populum argument (which is a fallacy generally) to try and prove the superiority of your religion doing anything other than duping people into false beliefs is fucking stupid.”



ugh!?! what part of (2.1+1.3)/ 6 dont you understand??? also i argued your chances to go to hell are greater rather than your chances of non-existance! and my point is you cant call the majority idiotic for believing in a god when it seems based on #s your the idiotic one of the bunch and i also stated you never have the right to bring up #s again for this arguement like you people have so many times!!!

quote:ugh!?! what part of (2.1+1.3)/ 6 dont you understand??? also i argued your chances to go to hell are greater rather than your chances of non-existance! and my point is you cant call the majority idiotic for believing in a god when it seems based on #s your the idiotic one of the bunch and i also stated you never have the right to bring up #s again for this arguement like you people have so many times!!!

Muslims don’t believe Jesus is the son of God, therefore they don’t believe in your specific Abrahamic religion, which requires belief that Jesus is the son of God in order to be believed. They also believe the NT is corrupt and don’t use it, the central text to your religion.

You have also failed to prove how more people believing that hell exists = me far more likely going to hell than non-existence. Once again, “you haven't proven that something is true based on how many people believe in it" either.”

quote:Originally posted by ---Beany---:

Hare Geist, why are you even entertaining this kidiot?

Just a spurious thought, but -

Maybe it's because...

His high morals, the odds of getting arrested, and the unfortunate reality of this being one of those "untouchable" internet situations prevents him from doing the world a favor by standing on a rooftop and assassinating this deranged, deluded shit-spewing fool we know as Masta Thief, thereby ensuring that the rest of the world doesn't get infected with his brand of idiocy?

...so responding calmly and matter-of-factly to MT's lunacies is the next best thing he can do? Maybe?

(I'm not speaking for Hare Geist. I am actually projecting my own feelings towards Masta Thief. I saw an opening, and I took it.)

Sorry, HG.

quote:Originally posted by Hare_Geist:

Muslims don’t believe Jesus is the son of God, therefore they don’t believe in your specific Abrahamic religion, which requires belief that Jesus is the son of God in order to be believed. They also believe the NT is corrupt and don’t use it, the central text to your religion.

You have also failed to prove how more people believing that hell exists = me far more likely going to hell than non-existence. Once again, “you haven't proven that something is true based on how many people believe in it" either.”

hahahahahahhaha your making me laugh again!

1st part- i guess ill have to explain this like im explaining this to a kid! you said muslims dont believe in Jesus so they do not come from Abraham!?! WOW! as i said its like a tree you have Abraham under him you have his two sons, under them you have the jews and then the muslims, under them you have differ tribes or sections, now under the jews you now have the Christians! And Abraham is father to all 3 religions! so yes my point was correct there! the rest of your bs you spouted was bs!

part 2- ok now im goin to have to explain this as if i was explaining it to a retard! put two cookies on one table and 1 on the other which table has more cookies? the one with two cookies(if you figured that one out by yourself ill be surprised)! so 56% out of 100 is more than 1/2 and if its more than one half then yours cant be one half! and there is more than that that says there is a heaven and hell! eww to bad chances for you going to hell seems to be greater than non-existance! im still surprised someone of your age wouldnt be able to figure something like that out!

part 3- I never stated that just because i had more people means you were wrong! i was just laughing at the fact! hahahahahahahahahhahahahaahahhaha!!!!!!



OWNED YOU SIT DOWN WHEN YOU PEE!!!!

ps.pls no more this is starting to bore me!

quote:Originally posted by AngryFemme:

Just a spurious thought, but -

Maybe it's because...

His high morals, the odds of getting arrested, and the unfortunate reality of this being one of those "untouchable" internet situations prevents him from doing the world a favor by standing on a rooftop and assassinating this deranged, deluded shit-spewing fool we know as Masta Thief, thereby ensuring that the rest of the world doesn't get infected with his brand of idiocy?

...so responding calmly and matter-of-factly to MT's lunacies is the next best thing he can do? Maybe?

(I'm not speaking for Hare Geist. I am actually projecting my own feelings towards Masta Thief. I saw an opening, and I took it.)

Sorry, HG.



(anouncer guy voice)

eww sorry the correct answer was your a bitch! but close though nice try!

Getting back on topic...

If apes evolved into humans because of the difference in location. Why are there humans in places where monkeys live?

http://tinyurl.com/2ggn3s

Like you've been told several times now, go to the library, read one book on human evolution. Not the little kid one that's all pictures, but a real evolution textbook. Really though, should you not have learned alot of this shit in high school?

quote:Originally posted by Viraljimmy:

Like you've been told several times now, go to the library, read one book on human evolution. Not the little kid one that's all pictures, but a real evolution textbook. Really though, should you not have learned alot of this shit in high school?

I took everything we learnt about evolution with a grain of salt. I remember my mate saying that the only way wings can have evolved is if an animal was dropped down a bottomless pit, I thought about it and I agree with him.

quote:Originally posted by Galbador:

I took everything we learnt about evolution with a grain of salt. I remember my mate saying that the only way wings can have evolved is if an animal was dropped down a bottomless pit, I thought about it and I agree with him.

Your mate is ignorant, as are you. You obviously have a serious misunderstanding of evolution works.

Please educate yourself.

quote:Originally posted by Galbador:

I took everything we learnt about evolution with a grain of salt. I remember my mate saying that the only way wings can have evolved is if an animal was dropped down a bottomless pit, I thought about it and I agree with him.

Unless a smaller animal developed skin between its arms and legs to "glide", naturally they turned into wings and so forth.

Though, i am not an expert on evolution.

quote:Originally posted by Galbador:

I took everything we learnt about evolution with a grain of salt. I remember my mate saying that the only way wings can have evolved is if an animal was dropped down a bottomless pit, I thought about it and I agree with him.

Flying progressed for reptiles the same way it did for mammals. It started out as a piece of skin shretched betsween thier legs that let them glide, and went on to strong front limbs molded to flying.

quote:Originally posted by Galbador:

I took everything we learnt about evolution with a grain of salt. I remember my mate saying that the only way wings can have evolved is if an animal was dropped down a bottomless pit, I thought about it and I agree with him.

Could you be kind enough to tells us why you think this situation would produce a wing and why it is the only situation it can produce wings via evolution?

quote: muslims dont believe in Jesus so they do not come from Abraham!?! WOW! as i said its like a tree you have Abraham under him you have his two sons, under them you have the jews and then the muslims, under them you have differ tribes or sections, now under the jews you now have the Christians! And Abraham is father to all 3 religions! so yes my point was correct there! the rest of your bs you spouted was bs!

You’re purposely misrepresenting what I said and you know it. It is true that Christianity and Islam both stemmed from Judaism, I never denied this. What I stated is that they are three different religions, although they all fall under the category of “The Abrahamic Religions”. Judaists do not believe in Christianity or Islam, so they should not be included in your numbers of people who believe in Christianity. Muslims do not believe Jesus is the son of God, they also believe the NT is corrupted. They go against two beliefs required to be classified as a Christian. Therefore they are not included in the numbers of people who believe in Christianity either, they belong numbers of people who do not believe in Christianity.

quote: part 2- ok now im goin to have to explain this as if i was explaining it to a retard! put two cookies on one table and 1 on the other which table has more cookies? the one with two cookies(if you figured that one out by yourself ill be surprised)! so 56% out of 100 is more than 1/2 and if its more than one half then yours cant be one half! and there is more than that that says there is a heaven and hell! eww to bad chances for you going to hell seems to be greater than non-existance! im still surprised someone of your age wouldnt be able to figure something like that out!

The two cookies are two people stating I’m going to go to hell with no evidence to back themselves up whatsoever. If one man had irrefutable evidence that one plus one equals two but ten people all claimed that one plus one equals three, they wouldn’t be in the right just because there’s more people believing their unsubstantiated conclusion. Your argument is retarded.

quote: ps.pls no more this is starting to bore me!

You have to be one of the worst trolls in existence.



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quote:Originally posted by Galbador:

I remember my mate saying that the only way wings can have evolved is if an animal was dropped down a bottomless pit, I thought about it and I agree with him.

THE EVOLUTION OF FLIGHT (http://www.ucmp.berkeley.edu/vertebrates/flight/evolve.html)

You can believe the article above is on the right track or you can believe your mate, which leads you to conclude that a god must have poofed winged creatures into existence. Your call.

Ok, here's another point. If the point of evolution is to make it easier to survive why didn't we evolve not to need to eat or sleep? We're at our most vulnerable to predators when asleep and if you're ever in a situation without food you die.

Surely we could photosynthesize and have a naturally occuring hormone to make sleep unneccesary.

Btw: This is what happens to atheists when they die.

http://tinyurl.com/33zyp6

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quote:Originally posted by Galbador:

Ok, here's another point. If the point of evolution is to make it easier to survive why didn't we evolve not to need to eat or sleep? We're at our most vulnerable to predators when asleep and if you're ever in a situation without food you die.

It doesn't matter that we're more vulnerable. What matters is that all of our ancestors survived long enough to produce offspring. Evolution doesn't guarantee that each species will be super organisms, just organisms that can survive long enough to reproduce- period.

Attempting to refute evolution by bringing up the vulnerability of us while sleeping makes zero sense. If your god is so loving, why did he create us with such a vulnerability?

quote:Originally posted by Galbador:

If your god is so loving, why did he create us with such a vulnerability?



Because, before the fall, lions and tyrannosaurs all ate grass. Seriously, they actually believe that shit.

Galbador, are you going to continue to ask questions about evolution until someone here doesn't have an answer and proclaim, "AHA, God did it!"? This isn't the forum to get all your science questions answered. There are other forums for that. If you're really interested in getting answers and not trying to win a debate, I suggest you visit one of the many appropriate forums on the net or visit your local library. This isn't a forum to ask others to do research for you.

quote:Originally posted by xray:

Galbador, are you going to continue to ask questions about evolution until someone here doesn't have an answer and proclaim, "AHA, God did it!"? This isn't the forum to get all your science questions answered. There are other forums for that. If you're really interested in getting answers and not trying to win a debate, I suggest you visit one of the many appropriate forums on the net or visit your local library. This isn't a forum to ask others to do research for you.

I'm not asking for answers. They're rhetorical questions that would prove to anyone with a brain that evolution doesn't exist.

Oh, okay. How silly of me.

quote:Originally posted by Galbador:

I'm not asking for answers. They're rhetorical questions that would prove to anyone with a brain that evolution doesn't exist.

If you think that, you are seriously retarded. I beg of you, buy a copy of "Evolution for Dummies".

quote:Originally posted by Hare_Geist:

If you think that, you are seriously retarded. I beg of you, buy a copy of "Evolution for Dummies".

Every book on evolution is 'for dummies'.

quote:Originally posted by Galbador:

Every book on evolution is 'for dummies'.

Nah, you seriously don't get it. What you're doing is stating a question and instead of looking for an answer, simply saying "this question has no answer, therefore refuting evolution!"

If you don't understand something, ask instead of being "rhetorical". I'm being serious when I say you really don't get it.

quote:Originally posted by Galbador:

I'm not asking for answers. They're rhetorical questions that would prove to anyone with a brain that evolution doesn't exist.

If you're not asking these questions to receive answers, then this is nothing but you spamming the forum. Jesus would be proud.

Hopefully, you'll get banned soon.

quote:Originally posted by Rust:

If you're not asking these questions to receive answers, then this is nothing but you spamming the forum. Jesus would be proud.

Hopefully, you'll get banned soon.

wtf? How is this spam? I'm proving creationism, I thought this board was supposed to be for discussing religion.

You know what galbador? look at all thier arguements? has anyone of them given you a straight up answer? No, they havnt they say they are all knowing but i guess they are just to tired to explain!?! hmm seems to me that they themsleves dont know the answer but dont want to admit so they just tell you to read a book!?! hahahha what retards, you guys seriously need to do better than this! i mean you are the experts about everything and the all knowing of humanbeings arnt you!?!

ps. dont worry this is what libs. tend to do!

quote:Ok, here's another point. If the point of evolution is to make it easier to survive why didn't we evolve not to need to eat or sleep? We're at our most vulnerable to predators when asleep and if you're ever in a situation without food you die.

You seem to be picturing evolution as some kind of conscious force when it is nothing like that. This causes me to think a very basic explanation that doesn’t cover everything about evolution is required.

Animals have these things called genes. Most beings are born with their genes being almost identical to their parent. Sometimes, however, some of their genes mutate greatly, causing an internal or external change. This change is either neutral, detrimental or beneficial. If beneficial, it helps them to adapt to their environment, making it easier for them to survive and spread their genes - therefore, their genes are passed on. This happens over long periods of time, causing slow, gradual changes until VOILA! A new species.

So as you see, evolution is not some thing that suddenly thinks: “gee, I better make it so they don‘t need to sleep and can therefore survive better” and then makes it so.

quote:Originally posted by Masta Thief:

You know what galbador? look at all thier arguements? has anyone of them given you a straight up answer? No, they havnt they say they are all knowing but i guess they are just to tired to explain!?! hmm seems to me that they themsleves dont know the answer but dont want to admit so they just tell you to read a book!?! hahahha what retards, you guys seriously need to do better than this! i mean you are the experts about everything and the all knowing of humanbeings arnt you!?!

ps. dont worry this is what libs. tend to do!

What have I just done? http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif)

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quote:Originally posted by Galbador:

wtf? How is this spam? I'm proving creationism, I thought this board was supposed to be for discussing religion.

If you're not asking this questions to get answers then this isn't even a discussion, let alone "proof of creationism". This is, for all intents and purposes, spam.

quote:Originally posted by Masta Thief:

You know what galbador? look at all thier arguements? has anyone of them given you a straight up answer? No, they havnt they say they are all knowing but i guess they are just to tired to explain!?!

What part of "I'm not asking for answers", didn't you understand?

quote:Originally posted by Rust:

If you're not asking this questions to get answers then this isn't even a discussion, let alone "proof of creationism". This is, for all intents and purposes, spam.

So you're saying if I'd said "Evolution isn't real because there are still monkeys" that wouldn't be spam but because I said "If evolution exists, why do we have monkeys?" it qualifies as spam.

quote:Originally posted by Galbador:

So you're saying if I'd said "Evolution isn't real because there are still monkeys" that wouldn't be spam but because I said "If evolution exists, why do we have monkeys?" it qualifies as spam.

I hope you haven't actually used "evolution isn't real because there are still monkeys" in actual arguments. Good grief!

^ That's exactly what he was getting at in the OP.

quote:Originally posted by xray:

^ That's exactly what he was getting at in the OP.

Then I hope that he clicks on THIS LINK (http://evolution.berkeley.edu/), learns something and realizes he was stupid for spouting that shit off as "rhetorical questions".

quote:Originally posted by Hare_Geist:

What have I just done? http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif)



Congrats!! you did it!

o wait no im wrong!??! thats.... nothing!?! hmm why would he try and explain nothing??? evolution and survival of the fittest was not what was just explained!?! is there differ stories to the side of evolution!??! i always thought they evolved cause they needed to, but i guess thats just mainstream evolution, the underground one seems a whole lot better!

quote:Originally posted by Masta Thief:

Congrats!! you did it!

o wait no im wrong!??! thats.... nothing!?! hmm why would he try and explain nothing??? evolution and survival of the fittest was not what was just explained!?! is there differ stories to the side of evolution!??! i always thought they evolved cause they needed to, but i guess thats just mainstream evolution, the underground one seems a whole lot better!

You are a TROLL and have just gone on my ignore list.

quote:Originally posted by Galbador:

So you're saying if I'd said "Evolution isn't real because there are still monkeys" that wouldn't be spam but because I said "If evolution exists, why do we have monkeys?" it qualifies as spam.

No, I'm saying that because you're simply making statements that you admit don't want answers to, this is spam.

quote:Originally posted by Hare_Geist:

You are a TROLL and have just gone on my ignore list.

no your just angry because you cant win in an arguement against me! you cant learn from critisism! me i actually have thought about evolution. me to be honest couldnt make a point agaisnt it at first(or any really good ones)it wasnt untill i solidified my knowledge about outside this world was i able to come up with an answer! and its not what you would expect, hell i even named it calling it the ____ ____ theory! sorry cant tell you what it is! i would just like people to do as you preach and study us, hell try to figure out what i saw, or even better try and figure out what Eisntien saw!?!

It's simple. Even though we are the highest earth being, we can still all be killed by things such as diseases, asteroids, etc... Where we can die, the things that started us, germs/molecules etc, will continue to be.

You can't have a tip of a pyramid without the base. (tip as of now)

There is an inverse relationship between loudness and cursing versus intelligence and knowing what the hell you're talking about.

Using "hahahahahahaha" at the end of every phrase to complement your already appalling vocabulary certainly doesn't help either.

I don't actually believe that Galbador or Masta Thief are particularly stupid.

Now, don't take that the wrong way, they are severely lacking in critical thinking skills, but this is not due to stupidity; I think it's more willful ignorance.

They just don't want to know, and aren't willing to find out.

Nothing you ever say will change anything, because they do not attempt to understand what you are actually saying. But, and this is moreover the point, they could if they wanted to, and for that, I hold them accountable.

Perhaps it's not their fault though. There is a severe lack of emphasis in our society on intelligence. Especially in the bible.

On further retrospect, actually, I'll concede that perhaps Masta Thief is just very stupid (or 7), but I still think Galbador is a prime example of willful ignorance, and a diminishment of what could otherwise be somewhat intelligent thoughts.

I'd feel bad about insulting them like that, but they won't understand it.

...Or they will just go "hahahahaha you suck..."

...Ok yea, they will just go "hahahaha you suck."

Ahhhh.....masta thief you are the worst kind of person,did you know that.You are a christian(btw wtf is up with the name bible humper)so in your little book it says you should respect your fellow man, but as soon as someone says differently than you you become a very angry person with the damming us to hell and such.

Also you automaticly assume that we're all liberals.You are an idiot.Then you call us cunts, man you should really read that book more douchebag.



By the way, why are you so angry at us for not beliving us.No one here is trying to convert anyone(well maby you christian pedophiles,but whatever)so whats up with the anger, did mommy and daddy not show you enough attention as a child?Where you not hugged or somthing.Oh, and if you start bringing up that comeback shit again ill rip out your eyeballs and skull fuck you!Or, to suit you i could just tear off your head and shit down your neck.

But in all reality your probly a cool guy

hell i like you, you can come to my house and fuck my sister!so shut your fucking mouth bible humper hippie closetcase.

P.S. the pedo thing came from the catholic church just so ya know, seriously wats up with yall makeing the kids call yall father?Its kinda fucked up man...

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IanBoyd3, I agree with you about Galbador, but Masta Thief is simply a trolling kidiot.

ya you know those 1 celled organsis can crap out multi bullioned celled organsims

quote:Originally posted by midnight rider:

Ahhhh.....masta thief you are the worst kind of person,did you know that.You are a christian(btw wtf is up with the name bible humper)so in your little book it says you should respect your fellow man, but as soon as someone says differently than you you become a very angry person with the damming us to hell and such.

Also you automaticly assume that we're all liberals.You are an idiot.Then you call us cunts, man you should really read that book more douchebag.



By the way, why are you so angry at us for not beliving us.No one here is trying to convert anyone(well maby you christian pedophiles,but whatever)so whats up with the anger, did mommy and daddy not show you enough attention as a child?Where you not hugged or somthing.Oh, and if you start bringing up that comeback shit again ill rip out your eyeballs and skull fuck you!Or, to suit you i could just tear off your head and shit down your neck.

But in all reality your probly a cool guy

hell i like you, you can come to my house and fuck my sister!so shut your fucking mouth bible humper hippie closetcase.

P.S. the pedo thing came from the catholic church just so ya know, seriously wats up with yall makeing the kids call yall father?Its kinda fucked up man...



lol, got to admit i actually laughed there! serious to! but no man im not as stupid as ya'll think just most you guys dont listen when i try to be serious and explain my point. so i just try to use thier logical fallacies against them and laugh cause when i get serious they wont listen anyways so whats better??? I just get angry when people speak of us as no better than Islam terrorists and rant that the jews are the root of all problems the world faces! that ignorance makes me not want to be serious(to a full extent) and use a bit of sarcasm/ownage skills! i actually had a real arguement on here once! it was in my thread about comparing Iraq to vietnam, at first no one was even able to challenge what i said and immeadiatly called me an illiterate redneck. but finnaly i got a real arguement from someone and he understood exactly my point(after a bit of debating) and he was a lib. too. so challenge me in a real way and ill react in a real way!!!

quote:Originally posted by Masta Thief:

lol, got to admit i actually laughed there! serious to! but no man im not as stupid as ya'll think

I certainly hope that you are not as stupid as you appear. Though, as of yet, you have shown us no reason to believe otherwise.

quote: just most you guys dont listen when i try to be serious and explain my point.

If at any point in this thread you have actually been serious, you truly must be mentally challenged. You have failed to make or support any serious point.

quote: so i just try to use thier logical fallacies against them and laugh cause when i get serious they wont listen anyways so whats better???

You cannot use someone's logical fallacy against them when you do not comprehend what constitutes a logical fallacy.

quote: I just get angry when people speak of us as no better than Islam terrorists and rant that the jews are the root of all problems the world faces!

All religions are detrimental to the advancement and continued existance of the human race. Each and every oneknows, without any doubt whatsoever, that their's is the one that is true, and that all others are wrong. Religion breeds animosity towards anyone who holds any different belief, even among subsects of the same religion. Religion impedes scientific progress and fosters ignorance of the masses.

All religions are detrimental to humanity. Just in varying degrees.

quote: that ignorance makes me not want to be serious(to a full extent) and use a bit of sarcasm/ownage skills!

As of yet, you have displayed absolutely zero ownage skills.

quote: i actually had a real arguement on here once! it was in my thread about comparing Iraq to vietnam, at first no one was even able to challenge what i said and immeadiatly called me an illiterate redneck. but finnaly i got a real arguement from someone and he understood exactly my point(after a bit of debating) and he was a lib. too.

So, truth be known, was that after the intelligent people dismissed your ignorance, someone as lacking in intelligence as much as you, finally entered the thread?

quote: so challenge me in a real way and ill react in a real way!!!

Somehow, I seriously doubt it.



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quote:Originally posted by Viraljimmy:

Because you are a moron. Your question would be retarded in 5th grade.

I just have to say, that saying theres more chance you go to hell if you ARENT christian...is....stupid.

That means that out of ALL the worlds religions then one IS definitely correct.

However, there are billions and billins of different religions you might wan tto believe in, Christianity being ONE of them

So, you have a VERY VERY SLIM chance it is correct, perhaps a 1 in infinity chance, because there are an infinate ammount of things to believe in other than the "god" you choose.

Just thought id teach you a little something about STATISTICS.

I asked Masta Thief a question once, and he has yet to answer it. It was, "If you think that you're such a good christian and going to heaven, why did you choose a username that promotes the fact that you are a thief? As you know, hopefully, that one of the ten commandments, you're religions revered guidelines and rules, is to not steal, so by breaking it you are sinning." If I even get a response I'll be surprised. It'll probably be something along the lines of "hahahahahahahahahah you suck" as suggested before, or "well its liek only a name and yours is turkey and jews plus 3 equals 60% so i'm going to heaven more faster than u are HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!"

Plus, you're a faggot Masta Thief.

I know that was off topic, but whatever.

quote:Originally posted by turkeysandwich:

I know that was off topic, but whatever.

Off-topic? Possibly. But true, nonetheless.

quote:Originally posted by turkeysandwich:

I asked Masta Thief a question once, and he has yet to answer it. It was, "If you think that you're such a good christian and going to heaven, why did you choose a username that promotes the fact that you are a thief? As you know, hopefully, that one of the ten commandments, you're religions revered guidelines and rules, is to not steal, so by breaking it you are sinning."

To the pure, all things are pure.

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if humans were first what would we eat? What would we make said technology out of? I hope your trolling.

"Masta Thief",

I hardly believe that because "more than half" of the world believes something then it is right. A long time ago no one believed that the world was round, so according to your logic, the world was flat. So back then there was a "99.9% chance that the world was flat"?

hmmm....

Also, ever think of the possibility that we created the idea of god because our knowledge of science at the time wasn't advanced enough to explain everything (tornadoes, volcanoes, tsunamis, you get the idea).

yeah, i'm done.

+1 for the "evolutionary apes"

quote:Originally posted by Galbador:

what about the animals that would be in between humans and monkeys, where are they?



I believe there is one posting on a website called &totse under the name of Galbador.

quote:Originally posted by Rust:

He got us. Game Over guys.

Rust, in all my time on totse I've always respected you but you've never actually made me laugh until now.