--Evolution--

* Slime to slime, no purpose, no goal, no life beyond the grave

* a robber of dignity, a justification for prejudice and hatred, an excuse for suicide, murder, abortion, and rape.

* Marx, Hitler, Lenin, Stalin, Mao Tse Tung--names of some of its greatest adherents.

--Creation--

* verified by science, taught in the Bible and revealed by the universe.

* in the image of God, by His power, through His wisdom, for His purpose.

* marked by perfection, beauty, attention to intricate detail--both in the vast expanses of the universe and in the smallest cell and atom.



Sinners, Atheists; Open Your Mind, Let God Come Inside And Breathe Through Your Mouth!

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Well, I'm convinced.

Take your own advice before you go around calling other people "sinners", Christian.

If you didn't have your head so far up your Gods ass, you'd realise the world was a shit hole.

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Moustache Rider:

While you probably didn't intend it that way, your definition of Evolution sounds like a near perfect description of Christianity during the Inquisition and Crusades.

Way to go, sinner.

Im Catholic

I'd LOVE to know the verification by science that MT has for Creationism.

And, id love to know how the hell you think religion is so peaceful when its the source of MOST of the fucking problems.

quote:Originally posted by among_the_living:

I'd LOVE to know the verification by science that MT has for Creationism.

And, id love to know how the hell you think religion is so peaceful when its the source of MOST of the fucking problems.

Religion is the source of most of what "fucking problems"?

quote:* Slime to slime, no purpose, no goal, no life beyond the grave

You’re quite pathetic if you have to look outside yourself for a meaning in life.

quote:* a robber of dignity, a justification for prejudice and hatred, an excuse for suicide, murder, abortion, and rape.

You’re confusing evolution with the Social Darwinist fascists who misunderstand evolution completely. Also, it is in no way a robber of dignity. You’re still human and it’s quite pathetic you have to imagine you have a soul and some great being is looking over you to feel any dignity whatsoever.

quote:* Marx, Hitler, Lenin, Stalin, Mao Tse Tung--names of some of its greatest adherents.

What was wrong with Marx?

quote:* verified by science, taught in the Bible and revealed by the universe.

It is not verified by science, nor is it revealed in the universe.

quote:* in the image of God, by His power, through His wisdom, for His purpose.

By His wisdom we shall blow up abortion clinics, murder people who don’t believe what we believe and blow ourselves up!

quote:* marked by perfection, beauty, attention to intricate detail--both in the vast expanses of the universe and in the smallest cell and atom.

The world is even more beautiful and special if God is taken out of the picture, in my opinion, but we’re just talking aesthetics now.

Hare_Geist > Mustache Rider

quote:Originally posted by mustache rider:

--Evolution--

* Slime to slime, no purpose, no goal, no life beyond the grave

* a robber of dignity, a justification for prejudice and hatred, an excuse for suicide, murder, abortion, and rape.

* Marx, Hitler, Lenin, Stalin, Mao Tse Tung--names of some of its greatest adherents.

--Creation--

* verified by science, taught in the Bible and revealed by the universe.

* in the image of God, by His power, through His wisdom, for His purpose.

* marked by perfection, beauty, attention to intricate detail--both in the vast expanses of the universe and in the smallest cell and atom.



Sinners, Atheists; Open Your Mind, Let God Come Inside And Breathe Through Your Mouth!



I could waste my time proving you wrong, but I'm not in the mood. Sit down, and shut the fuck up.

quote:Originally posted by Hare_Geist:

What was wrong with Marx?

What was wrong with Lenin?

Human stupidity is so fascinating. The likes of this guy and Masta Thief amaze me. Well, I'll forgive Masta Thief because he has the intellect of a child of seven, but still, to look at rational intelligent arguments and believe that just by yelling as loud as you can with incoherent spelling that it somehow proves your point is just fascinatingly stupid.

Don't make fun of them though, it's immoral to make fun of the mentally disabled.

quote:Originally posted by jb_mcbean:

What was wrong with Lenin?

I don't know anything about him, so I couldn't speak up for him.

quote:Originally posted by Rizzo in a box:

Religion is the source of most of what "fucking problems"?

To speak of this as an ignoramus, 'The middle east and the US.'

quote:Originally posted by mustache rider:

--Evolution--

* Slime to slime, no purpose, no goal, no life beyond the grave

* a robber of dignity, a justification for prejudice and hatred, an excuse for suicide, murder, abortion, and rape.

* Marx, Hitler, Lenin, Stalin, Mao Tse Tung--names of some of its greatest adherents.

--Creation--

* verified by science, taught in the Bible and revealed by the universe.

* in the image of God, by His power, through His wisdom, for His purpose.

* marked by perfection, beauty, attention to intricate detail--both in the vast expanses of the universe and in the smallest cell and atom.



Sinners, Atheists; Open Your Mind, Let God Come Inside And Breathe Through Your Mouth!



You do realize that tempting people to sin by means of tempting you to lose your faith is a sin, don't you? As in, you are sinning right now by tempting all the atheists to try and make you lose your faith?

Edit: Holy shit, I just saw that you said creationism was 'verified by science'. Now I know you were joking, so nevermind.

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quote:Originally posted by lacrima97:

To speak of this as an ignoramus, 'The middle east and the US.'

The conflicts in the Middle East and the USA have little to do, if anything, with returning to God.

"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.

Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.

Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?

Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?"

- Epicurus

quote:Originally posted by jb_mcbean:

What was wrong with Lenin?

Nothing wrong with Marx

But..please dont stand up for fucking LENIN! he was a psycho.

He viewed that terror was a legitimate tool, pretty much like some other governments we can point to nowadays.

he also used minor purges to defeat political opposition.

Lenin.was.crazy.

And religion is the source of a lot of problems, if you cant see how intolerant people of religion can be then you are blind.

quote:Originally posted by kurdt318:

"Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.

Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.

Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?

Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?"

- Epicurus

Evil is just the lack of God, ignorance of God, and can only be carried out by those given free will.

quote:Originally posted by Rizzo in a box:

Evil is just the lack of God

But I thought God was everywhere, which would mean that Evil doesn't exist.

quote:Originally posted by mustache rider:

[...] Let God Come Inside And Breathe Through Your Mouth!



No way.... fag.

don't feed the troll..

oh wait. I'm a little late

quote:Originally posted by mustache rider:



* Marx, Hitler, Lenin, Stalin, Mao Tse Tung--names of some of its greatest adherents.

What was wrong with Hitler? http://www.totse.com/bbs/confused.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/confused.gif)

quote:Originally posted by mustache rider:

--Evolution--

* Slime to slime, no purpose, no goal, no life beyond the grave

* a robber of dignity, a justification for prejudice and hatred, an excuse for suicide, murder, abortion, and rape.

* Marx, Hitler, Lenin, Stalin, Mao Tse Tung--names of some of its greatest adherents.

--Creation--

* verified by science, taught in the Bible and revealed by the universe.

* in the image of God, by His power, through His wisdom, for His purpose.

* marked by perfection, beauty, attention to intricate detail--both in the vast expanses of the universe and in the smallest cell and atom.



Sinners, Atheists; Open Your Mind, Let God Come Inside And Breathe Through Your Mouth!





dont worry man, these people are to stupid to understand. they believe Christiansand Jews are the root of all problems the world faces, they are Socialist/neo-nazi, they dont understand life and prob. never will. they acuse us of bieng hatefull hypocritical people when we try to spread our love and save thier souls! they will never learn they will never begin to understand. Look deep into space you see the universes supremacy, look close up you see the protons creation. Look as far as you can into space you see Gods supremacy, look as close up as you can you see Gods creation!

ps. keep on posting though its interesting to see thier responses!

quote:Originally posted by Masta Thief:



dont worry man, these people are to stupid to understand. they believe Christiansand Jews are the root of all problems the world faces, they are Socialist/neo-nazi, they dont understand life and prob. never will. they acuse us of bieng hatefull hypocritical people when we try to spread our love and save thier souls! they will never learn they will never begin to understand. Look deep into space you see the universes supremacy, look close up you see the protons creation. Look as far as you can into space you see Gods supremacy, look as close up as you can you see Gods creation!

ps. keep on posting though its interesting to see thier responses!



Hold your tongue, berk; you know nothing of that which you speak. People who disagree with ridiculous statements like those made by the OP are 'stupid and will never understand'?

So stupid, in fact, that we do not completely ignore scientific explanations for natural phenomena? So stupid that we realize that creationism and evolution do not even need to be mutually exclusive? So stupid that we use human powers of deduction (which, apparently were given to us by a divine being) to try and understand the world around us?

Look child, the OP flat-out lied. Creationism has never been 'verified' by science. Scientists do not even attempt to explain abiogenesis. It would be only speculation. Science is an empirical study of the world around us, abiogenesis will probably never be explained scientifically.

Of course that helps your position. You fools don't ever say things like that though.

Quite frankly, any attempt ever to use science as a justification for a faith-based worldview is completely stupid and inherently wrong. Science is an accumulation of things that we know occur and our attempts to explain them. If science could ever show that your beliefs were true, faith would cease to exist.

The OP lied, and we called him on it and recognized the fact that he was lying. Atheism isn't 'stupid' at all, and it can't be. A worldview such as the ones your theists foster is completely irrational, as is the nature of faith. Do not EVER, EVER, speak as you have done here today and do not defend people like the OP in argument. He made up shit (where if it was true, it still wouldn't help his position at all) and asserted it as being true. And in so doing, he sinned; he lied, which is a sin, and he tempted others to try and destroy his faith, which is also a sin (and one you are guilty of as well).

quote:Originally posted by Iehovah:

Moustache Rider:

While you probably didn't intend it that way, your definition of Evolution sounds like a near perfect description of Christianity during the Inquisition and Crusades.

Way to go, sinner.

Ofcoarse you sure would like to believe that the crusades was caused by the catholics(notice i used catholics not christian)when infact it was started by the muslims and they reacted to them.

quote:Originally posted by Iam:



Hold your tongue, berk; you know nothing of that which you speak. People who disagree with ridiculous statements like those made by the OP are 'stupid and will never understand'?

So stupid, in fact, that we do not completely ignore scientific explanations for natural phenomena? So stupid that we realize that creationism and evolution do not even need to be mutually exclusive? So stupid that we use human powers of deduction (which, apparently were given to us by a divine being) to try and understand the world around us?

Look child, the OP flat-out lied. Creationism has never been 'verified' by science. Scientists do not even attempt to explain abiogenesis. It would be only speculation. Science is an empirical study of the world around us, abiogenesis will probably never be explained scientifically.

Of course that helps your position. You fools don't ever say things like that though.

Quite frankly, any attempt ever to use science as a justification for a faith-based worldview is completely stupid and inherently wrong. Science is an accumulation of things that we know occur and our attempts to explain them. If science could ever show that your beliefs were true, faith would cease to exist.

The OP lied, and we called him on it and recognized the fact that he was lying. Atheism isn't 'stupid' at all, and it can't be. A worldview such as the ones your theists foster is completely irrational, as is the nature of faith. Do not EVER, EVER, speak as you have done here today and do not defend people like the OP in argument. He made up shit (where if it was true, it still wouldn't help his position at all) and asserted it as being true. And in so doing, he sinned; he lied, which is a sin, and he tempted others to try and destroy his faith, which is also a sin (and one you are guilty of as well).

Nothing in there did he lie about! it was lying it was an opinion dumbass! I told you in the first statement "look deep into space you see the universes' supremacy, look up close and you see the protons creation. Look as deep as you can and you see God's supremacy, look as close as you can and you see Gods creation!" nothing in that implements lying nor defending im saying you people dont understand there is nothing wrong with that and there is no need to get angry and start a fight!

quote:Originally posted by Iam:



Hold your tongue, berk; you know nothing of that which you speak. People who disagree with ridiculous statements like those made by the OP are 'stupid and will never understand'?

So stupid, in fact, that we do not completely ignore scientific explanations for natural

phenomena? So stupid that we realize that creationism and evolution do not even need to be mutually exclusive? So stupid that we use human powers of deduction (which, apparently were given to us by a divine being) to try and understand the world around us?

Look child, the OP flat-out lied. Creationism has never been 'verified' by science. Scientists do not even attempt to explain abiogenesis. It would be only speculation. Science is an empirical study of the world around us, abiogenesis will probably never be explained scientifically.

Of course that helps your position. You fools don't ever say things like that though.

Quite frankly, any attempt ever to use science as a justification for a faith-based worldview is completely stupid and inherently wrong. Science is an accumulation of things that we know occur and our attempts to explain them. If science could ever show that your beliefs were true, faith would cease to exist.

The OP lied, and we called him on it and recognized the fact that he was lying. Atheism isn't 'stupid' at all, and it can't be. A worldview such as the ones your theists foster is completely irrational, as is the nature of faith. Do not EVER, EVER, speak as you have done here today and do not defend people like the OP in argument. He made up shit (where if it was true, it still wouldn't help his position at all) and asserted it as being true. And in so doing, he sinned; he lied, which is a sin, and he tempted others to try and destroy his faith, which is also a sin (and one you are guilty of as well).

You are clearly a bias sack of shit for bashing christians and say we put blind faith in the Bible and then say it cant be proven.

BTW You clearly misunderstand what christians put there faith in.

I have many friends that are Christian, most of whom can put up an amazing argument for Christianity. You, on the other hand, are a fucking moron.

quote:Originally posted by mustache rider:

* Marx, Hitler, Lenin, Stalin, Mao Tse Tung--names of some of its greatest adherents.

What the hell did Marx ever do? Sure, he called Christianity the opium of the masses (I think he did), but how does that make him a bad person?

Lol at this thread.

Science: 29,003,192x10^88, religion: 3

quote:Originally posted by zebra head:

Lol at this thread.

Science: 29,003,192x10^88, religion: 3

HAHAHA This is a funny one im gunna have to watch out for you.

quote:Originally posted by SAMMY249:

You are clearly a bias sack of shit for bashing christians and say we put blind faith in the Bible and then say it cant be proven.

BTW You clearly misunderstand what christians put there faith in.

Umm, it can't be proven. Science is unconcerned with abiogenesis and if it were proven no one would ever need faith... As faith is a principle component of your belief, this would be a very bad thing for you.

quote: Originally posted by Masta Thief:

Nothing in there did he lie about! it was lying it was an opinion dumbass! I told you in the first statement "look deep into space you see the universes' supremacy, look up close and you see the protons creation. Look as deep as you can and you see God's supremacy, look as close as you can and you see Gods creation!" nothing in that implements lying nor defending im saying you people dont understand there is nothing wrong with that and there is no need to get angry and start a fight!

1) He did so lie, and I explained the lie. He said that creationism was verified by science:

a) It would contradict the need for faith if it was, and thus eliminate a vital component of your religion, and

b) Science is unconcerned with abiogenesis and so will not ever even try to prove creationism.

2) I never said anything about your 'look deep into space...' stuff at all and never called that lying. That was you using figurative language to describe the reason for your faith -- I don't have a problem with it.

3) I didn't get angry and 'start a fight'. People like the OP disgust me though. For one, they don't understand their own religion, nor what a faith-based worldview entails and beyond that they're stupid assholes.

Masta Theif and the OP kind of works in pairs around here to further their 2 main causes: Rampant idiocy and Perversion of the principles of their faith.

quote: they acuse us of bieng hatefull hypocritical people when we try to spread our love and save thier souls!

Oh, we've all seen your examples of "spreading love" in the scathing, judgemental, hateful posts you've produced.

http://www.totse.com/bbs/rolleyes.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/rolleyes.gif)

what was wrong with Hitler?

well, besides the whole holucaust thing, but comon your living in the past here....

what was wrong with Hitler?

well, besides the whole holucaust thing, but comon your living in the past here....

quote:Originally posted by midnight rider:

what was wrong with Hitler?

well, besides the whole holucaust thing, but comon your living in the past here....

Hitler didn't kill people BECAUSE he was atheist.. Atheists don't kill people because they're atheist, they don't say "For Atheism!!!" then hijack a plane and fly it into a building.

Hitler was also heterosexual, you against that as well http://www.totse.com/bbs/tongue.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/tongue.gif)

Sammy249:

You said: "Of coarse you sure would like to believe that the crusades was caused by the catholics(notice i used catholics not christian)when infact it was started by the muslims and they reacted to them."

Keep in mind that Catholicism used to represent (though was not necessarily populated by) the entirety of Christianity. Catholicism IS a Christian religion. That means if you're Catholic you're a Christian, but due to the divisiveness of religion, it no longer means that you are necessarily Catholic if you're Christian.

You also seem to mistakenly believe that the Crusades were just about Christianity vs. Islam. That's Crusade(s) plural, and it is a reference to just war, a popular expression for any war undertaken by the Church. For example, during the first Crusade, Jews were slaughtered by Crusader mobs. The Swedish Crusades involved the conquest of Sweden and Finland (Norway?) and forced conversions of the pagan religions that were present there. The Northern Crusades did the same for Northern Europe. The list goes on, but you really should look up "Crusades" in Wikipedia because there's too many to list here.

The point of all this is that just war was the excuse used by the dominant churches at the time to slaughter and convert anyone of differing faiths. Of course, it was also used as a political tool, but that's a minor issue. It should also be noted that these *Christian* churches typically absolved any 'crime' committed by a Crusader.

It's an ugly part of Christian history, but it is there and can't be revised away. One can only hope that their descendents have learned from this.

Blah Blah sure he's going to argue that someone else started the Crusades and that it was not out of religious reasons at all. The quintessence of Christianity is the Spanish inquisition. It's not a perversion of the religion, but the most essential representation of it - if a little suffering saves your immortal soul what is the problem here?

quote:Originally posted by mustache rider:

--Evolution--

* Slime to slime, no purpose, no goal, no life beyond the grave

* a robber of dignity, a justification for prejudice and hatred, an excuse for suicide, murder, abortion, and rape.

* Marx, Hitler, Lenin, Stalin, Mao Tse Tung--names of some of its greatest adherents.

--Creation--

* verified by science, taught in the Bible and revealed by the universe.

* in the image of God, by His power, through His wisdom, for His purpose.

* marked by perfection, beauty, attention to intricate detail--both in the vast expanses of the universe and in the smallest cell and atom.



Sinners, Atheists; Open Your Mind, Let God Come Inside And Breathe Through Your Mouth!



uFail.

Evolution- Science and Logic.

Creationism- Blind Faith and No Logic.*

*see: bible

/Thread.

Sigh. Personally I don't bother with religion, but then again, I don't bother with actively resisting religion.

I have no problem with religious people, nor can I positively deny the existence of any higher beings...

My theology is: I have no theology.

I just could NOT BE ARSED to waste my life away pondering whether or not what I do is going to make some ethereal diety angry, or whether I should antagonize religious people for their beliefs...

I just live and let live, as long as noone, tries to force their beliefs on me. (That includes aethiests, I HATE atheists who bitch about religion to me, just as much as I hate old people trying to tell me that I MUST take confirmation.)

My two cents (Actually, lets call it three since it's kind of a longish rant)

Cheers!

quote:Originally posted by Rizzo in a box:

Religion is the source of most of what "fucking problems"?

see: War.

In the spirit of evolution, I wish I could excercise natural selection by wiping his idiocy from the face of the planet. Why is it the dumbasses that have more kids?

quote:Originally posted by Blades of Hate:

Hitler didn't kill people BECAUSE he was atheist.. Atheists don't kill people because they're atheist, they don't say "For Atheism!!!" then hijack a plane and fly it into a building.

Hitler was also heterosexual, you against that as well http://www.totse.com/bbs/tongue.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/tongue.gif)

Where the hell did you get Hitler was an Atheist?

He certainly believed in a God. http://nobeliefs.com/hitler.htm http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-KWAwDJox4

(^pictures for those with the short attention spans) http://www.ronaldbrucemeyer.com/rants/0420a-almanac.htm

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quote:Originally posted by Spike Spiegel:

see: War.

Hey, shut the fuck up.

Religion can't be blamed, but the people who follow it certainly can. Where in the bible, Qur'an, or any other religious book for that matter to declare war on anyone for doing anything?

Thats right, it doesn't. Depends on how you interpret it. It is not religion, people without a religion would still wage war.

Atheists have been telling theists to prove our beliefs. Well, prove yours first.

We can roll with these little games Atheists like to play, but so far, i've yet to run into one that could back their shit up all the way.

Religion has and always will have a place in the world. It keeps it balanced.

quote:Originally posted by Fear:

Hey, shut the fuck up.

Religion can't be blamed, but the people who follow it certainly can. Where in the bible, Qur'an, or any other religious book for that matter to declare war on anyone for doing anything?

Thats right, it doesn't. Depends on how you interpret it. It is not religion, people without a religion would still wage war.

Atheists have been telling theists to prove our beliefs. Well, prove yours first.

We can roll with these little games Atheists like to play, but so far, i've yet to run into one that could back their shit up all the way.

Religion has and always will have a place in the world. It keeps it balanced.

**cough** jihad **cough**. lol na im just playin but ya, nice way to show some ownage!

quote:Originally posted by Iehovah:

Sammy249:

You also seem to mistakenly believe that the Crusades were just about Christianity vs. Islam. That's Crusade(s) plural, and it is a reference to just war, a popular expression for any war undertaken by the Church. For example, during the first Crusade, Jews were slaughtered by Crusader mobs. The Swedish Crusades involved the conquest of Sweden and Finland (Norway?) and forced conversions of the pagan religions that were present there. The Northern Crusades did the same for Northern Europe. The list goes on, but you really should look up "Crusades" in Wikipedia because there's too many to list here.





Wikipedia is full of lies which is why Michael Savage is sueing them,they are "anti credentialist" and sladered his name so i wont look there,he was also the one to shed light on muslims starting it but it still was fucked up that the most corrupt form of "christianity" fought back and soiled its name.

quote:Originally posted by Mojo Savage:

Sigh. Personally I don't bother with religion, but then again, I don't bother with actively resisting religion.

I have no problem with religious people, nor can I positively deny the existence of any higher beings...

My theology is: I have no theology.

I just could NOT BE ARSED to waste my life away pondering whether or not what I do is going to make some ethereal diety angry, or whether I should antagonize religious people for their beliefs...

I just live and let live, as long as noone, tries to force their beliefs on me. (That includes aethiests, I HATE atheists who bitch about religion to me, just as much as I hate old people trying to tell me that I MUST take confirmation.)

My two cents (Actually, lets call it three since it's kind of a longish rant)

Cheers!

My sentiments exactly.... http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif)

quote:Originally posted by Rizzo in a box:

Evil is just the lack of God, ignorance of God, and can only be carried out by those given free will.

Free will doesn't exist.

quote:Originally posted by Cuban:

Free will doesn't exist.

Sure it does. It is god that does not exist.

Sammy249:

You said: "Wikipedia is full of lies which is why Michael Savage is sueing them,they are "anti credentialist" and sladered his name so i wont look there,he was also the one to shed light on muslims starting it but it still was fucked up that the most corrupt form of "christianity" fought back and soiled its name."

I can't imagine why you'd dispute the information just because it came from Wikipedia when you can simply pick up a history book or find a link to another website that confirms it. If you must have one: http://www.musicalinstrumentsguide.com/show_me_info_about_The_Crusades

The point here is that while it may be true that the "Muslims started it", that has the ring of an argument from a playground squabble, because it's not the whole truth. Yes, there ARE positive aspects to the Christian element of the Crusades, such as the outpouring of religious faith and the willingness to fight to defend one's faith and people against incursion. But that is easily overshadowed when it suddenly becomes an excuse to do the same as the oppressors.

quote:Originally posted by Fear:

Hey, shut the fuck up.

Religion can't be blamed, but the people who follow it certainly can. Where in the bible, Qur'an, or any other religious book for that matter to declare war on anyone for doing anything?

Thats right, it doesn't. Depends on how you interpret it. It is not religion, people without a religion would still wage war.

Atheists have been telling theists to prove our beliefs. Well, prove yours first.

We can roll with these little games Atheists like to play, but so far, i've yet to run into one that could back their shit up all the way.

Religion has and always will have a place in the world. It keeps it balanced.

OT: "For I set all men every one against his neighbor." Zechariah, 8:10. In fact, pick a random page - the chances are high it contains some sort of immoral, misguided claptrap, justified by this one supreme god.

NT: I can't think/find any quotations that directly tell Christians to make war, but, as before, there are many things justified against all common sense by this book. Jebus even agrees with the law of the prophets (Matthew, 5:17). See above.

Qu'ran: 61:4 "Lo! Allah loveth them who battle for His cause in ranks, as if they were a solid structure." Also find enclosed many phrases suggesting the willingness of Muslims to kill disbelievers.

et cetera, et cetera

quote:Originally posted by truckfixr:

Sure it does. It is god that does not exist.



Free will only exists as a human perspective. Free will does not truly exist because we live in a universe of causality. I.E. as we know that atoms react according to rules and not randomly (if the were random, we wouldn't have defined the rules in the first place), that we are are made entirely of atoms, and that our consciousness is direct manifestation of the electrochemical firings (such as drugs affecting the brains firings and structure, which is reflected in a change in our consciousness), then "we" are nothing the more than the representation of said firings and structure at any given time. Thusly, those structures and firings come into to being from sources outside of our brain, including our body and environment, which we attribute no consciousness to, so we then are at the whim of what is outside of us, giving us no free will.

Hasn't anyone figured out that sammy129 and mustache rider are TROLLS yet? Sammy129 could be just another dumb shit christian, but MR is definitely a troll. Quit getting your panties in bunch and stop replying to these idiot's threads.

Manifesto of an angry atheist:

I am damned to you. Look in my eyes and see the hellfire consuming me. Why do you insist on saving me? Don't pretend to be altruistic, odds are you're doing it becasue you feel guilty about "lust" or "gluttony" or "homosexuality" or any other fucked up thing.

Do not save me. I do not want or need saving. It is you who needs saving. You need saving from the people who brainwashed you from day one. Why do you believe in god? Its not because you were saved or born again or had crack-addict parents who you were "saved" from, at least thats the probability. You inherited your beliefs, like your kings inherited their crowns that your "god" gave them.

Thats another thing. Your kings miss you. Go back to them. Your "saviour" told you to be loyal to them(Titus 3:1) and he gave them their crown. Your pope is infaillable. Go back to them, flock. Your appointed saviour awaits.

You haven't struggled. You haven't known anything. You live in a pod, insulated by your hate for truth and your foolish belief. You heap up imaginary treasures for an afterlife you will NEVER see, and you're too cowardly to face death. I walk through the same shadow you do. I don't fear because I know death is human. You don't fear because you dont' live now. You'll live later. But procrastination never pays.

I am your godless, kingless, leaderless, independant, lone sheep. I will defy all shepards. I am not one of the "flock". I made my beliefs in my own endless voyages into the desert, but you were born with them.

Hate me, because I have the audacity to think that mabye, alone I am strong. Fear me, because while you pray and "heap up empty thoughts" like your saviour told you NOT to do, I'll be DOING. I will not wait for a cold, cruel god to help me with my struggles.

God personally annihlates almost all life on the planet:

Genesis 6:17, 7:21-23

God personally kills thousands with plauges:

Numbers 16:49 (14,700 dead.)

Numbers 25:9 (24,000 dead.)

2 Samuel 24:15 (70,000 dead.)

God commands his believers to annihlate cites of men, women, children and their animals and livestock:

Deuteronomy 2:33-24

Deuteronomy 3:6

Deuteronomy 20:13-17

Joshua 6:21

Joshua 8:22-25 (12,000 dead.)

Joshua 10:28-40

Joshua 11:21-23

Judges 1:17

Judges 21:10-12 (God's followers kidnap 4,000 virgins after the war.)

1 Samuel 15:3-8

Human Sacrifice:

Judges 4:21

Judges 11:30-39



What say you to that, my shepard, my saviour? "oh, thats the OLD testament. I only believe in the NEW testament, you know, what jesus said n'stuff."

Hm. Even though he said that anyone who fails to follow it will be called the "least" and those who wish to enter the kingdom of heaven must exceed the righteousness of the Pharisees (Matthew 5:17-20)? Looks like I wont' be the only one burning eternally in a lake of fire!

You disgust me, because your eyes have never seen. You disgust me, because you have never looked upon a sunset without seeing a false "creator". Why must everything beautiful be attributed to something divine? It just doesn't work otherwise? And art, statues, movies, books, architecture, all that can't come from man.

How jaded you must be....

Why do you persist? Why should I stand down? I know what is right. I stand firm in the convictions I MADE, not millenia old rules from a dead deity. I fear no god, I fear no boogeyman. What doesn't exist can't hurt you.

STOP TRYING TO SAVE ME. STOP TRYING TO HELP ME. STOP TRYING TO SHOW ME THE LIGHT. STOP LOOKING AT ME LIKE I'M DEAD ALREADY.

Even though I am. The wonderful thing about accepting what INEVITABLY HAPPENS (and happens for EVER) is that you dont' fear it. You must have missed that, in between getting told looking at beautiful things was sinful and that if you had feelings for anything besides your ethnic groups opposite sex, you're hated by your "saviour". I did think he was all-loving.

STOP TALKING TO ME LIKE I'M IGNORANT, EVEN THOUGH YOU'RE THE ONE THAT IGNORES THINGS JUST TO STAY "PURE".

Purity. Outside the bible, I wonder what the death toll of christianity is. How many Native Americans died before you converted the surrendering? How many Afrikaan kings fell from their golden thrones because they were "heathens" (and your holy King had a fetish for that gold... but aside)? How many have died in their beds with the name of their "lourde" on their lips? Those are defintely deaths to be blamed on your religion, because those lives were spent in preparation for "eternal life" (wow, what a fucking scam. If you want followers, promise them immortality. I thought that got old with you know, LOGIC.) instead of living the one we have? How many norsemen died from your swords? Hopefully not as many as died from THEIR swords, or I'd lose faith in the spirit of that arm of humanity. May they fight you for all the time your boots rape their land.

But I suppose all of that is okay. They're not pure. The pure are permitted rape, murder, and genocide.

But broader: How many palestinian children have died? How many israeli children have died? How many arabs have died in "martyrdom" only to find out THERE ARE NO VIRGINS.

I ache for all of them. I am far more loving than the "son of god" that died for you, that sent you all out to your deaths. I treasure human life. He doesn't seem too.

I am the unsaved, unclean, filthy masses of the world. I am your enemy, for I will never bow to you. I will not give in. I will not stand down. I will not bow for you. I know that when I do, your sword sweeps my neck and I cease living, existing, in my world, and I exist in the dream-sleep-death of salvation. When I enter that, my eyes would shut forever by your lies, my mouth stuffed with your hypocrisy and my ears deafend with your bells. I refuse that. I refuse you and I refute you. If you will not be refuted with words (your eyes being shut and your ears being deaf) I will refute you with whatever means neccesary. I WILL NEVER BOW TO YOU.

The term atheist is insulting. It implies not-you, but I am much, much greater. I transcend death and life because I realize there is none of the latter after the former. I exist with my own mind, without the tendrils that come within yours. I am godless. I am damned. I am free.

Never will I submit to thee; Never will I praise your dreaded name. You will never make me bow; you will never make me stand down. I will exist, for myself first, for showing those who question the path down the rabit hole.

But none who don't ask. The ignorant and the content fools you can keep. I don't need them; they'll only expect me to tell them how to live. Christ didn't come to the sheep and gather the strays; he took a pack of wolves and through his manipulating made sheep of them (or those who wrote him did... Christ didn't rise, he didn't even say those things. Check your history books that aren't written by the like that say "10 thousand years ago, god created...").

You are free to join me. I will not spurn the awakend. But dont' parrot me. Don't echo me. Not thinking is for your kind, never for mine. Until then, I have nothing more to say, than simply:

I WILL NEVER SURRENDER TO YOU. I AM FREE AND ALL-FEELING. STOP TRYING TO BLIND ME AND DEAFEN ME; THERE IS TOO MUCH BEAUTY IN THAT WHICH YOUR GOD DID NOT MAKE.

quote:Originally posted by Prometheum:

Manifesto of an angry atheist:

I am damned to you. Look in my eyes and see the hellfire consuming me. Why do you insist on saving me? Don't pretend to be altruistic, odds are you're doing it becasue you feel guilty about "lust" or "gluttony" or "homosexuality" or any other fucked up thing.

Do not save me. I do not want or need saving. It is you who needs saving. You need saving from the people who brainwashed you from day one. Why do you believe in god? Its not because you were saved or born again or had crack-addict parents who you were "saved" from, at least thats the probability. You inherited your beliefs, like your kings inherited their crowns that your "god" gave them.

Thats another thing. Your kings miss you. Go back to them. Your "saviour" told you to be loyal to them(Titus 3:1) and he gave them their crown. Your pope is infaillable. Go back to them, flock. Your appointed saviour awaits.

You haven't struggled. You haven't known anything. You live in a pod, insulated by your hate for truth and your foolish belief. You heap up imaginary treasures for an afterlife you will NEVER see, and you're too cowardly to face death. I walk through the same shadow you do. I don't fear because I know death is human. You don't fear because you dont' live now. You'll live later. But procrastination never pays.

I am your godless, kingless, leaderless, independant, lone sheep. I will defy all shepards. I am not one of the "flock". I made my beliefs in my own endless voyages into the desert, but you were born with them.

Hate me, because I have the audacity to think that mabye, alone I am strong. Fear me, because while you pray and "heap up empty thoughts" like your saviour told you NOT to do, I'll be DOING. I will not wait for a cold, cruel god to help me with my struggles.

God personally annihlates almost all life on the planet:

Genesis 6:17, 7:21-23

God personally kills thousands with plauges:

Numbers 16:49 (14,700 dead.)

Numbers 25:9 (24,000 dead.)

2 Samuel 24:15 (70,000 dead.)

God commands his believers to annihlate cites of men, women, children and their animals and livestock:

Deuteronomy 2:33-24

Deuteronomy 3:6

Deuteronomy 20:13-17

Joshua 6:21

Joshua 8:22-25 (12,000 dead.)

Joshua 10:28-40

Joshua 11:21-23

Judges 1:17

Judges 21:10-12 (God's followers kidnap 4,000 virgins after the war.)

1 Samuel 15:3-8

Human Sacrifice:

Judges 4:21

Judges 11:30-39



What say you to that, my shepard, my saviour? "oh, thats the OLD testament. I only believe in the NEW testament, you know, what jesus said n'stuff."

Hm. Even though he said that anyone who fails to follow it will be called the "least" and those who wish to enter the kingdom of heaven must exceed the righteousness of the Pharisees (Matthew 5:17-20)? Looks like I wont' be the only one burning eternally in a lake of fire!

You disgust me, because your eyes have never seen. You disgust me, because you have never looked upon a sunset without seeing a false "creator". Why must everything beautiful be attributed to something divine? It just doesn't work otherwise? And art, statues, movies, books, architecture, all that can't come from man.

How jaded you must be....

Why do you persist? Why should I stand down? I know what is right. I stand firm in the convictions I MADE, not millenia old rules from a dead deity. I fear no god, I fear no boogeyman. What doesn't exist can't hurt you.

STOP TRYING TO SAVE ME. STOP TRYING TO HELP ME. STOP TRYING TO SHOW ME THE LIGHT. STOP LOOKING AT ME LIKE I'M DEAD ALREADY.

Even though I am. The wonderful thing about accepting what INEVITABLY HAPPENS (and happens for EVER) is that you dont' fear it. You must have missed that, in between getting told looking at beautiful things was sinful and that if you had feelings for anything besides your ethnic groups opposite sex, you're hated by your "saviour". I did think he was all-loving.

STOP TALKING TO ME LIKE I'M IGNORANT, EVEN THOUGH YOU'RE THE ONE THAT IGNORES THINGS JUST TO STAY "PURE".

Purity. Outside the bible, I wonder what the death toll of christianity is. How many Native Americans died before you converted the surrendering? How many Afrikaan kings fell from their golden thrones because they were "heathens" (and your holy King had a fetish for that gold... but aside)? How many have died in their beds with the name of their "lourde" on their lips? Those are defintely deaths to be blamed on your religion, because those lives were spent in preparation for "eternal life" (wow, what a fucking scam. If you want followers, promise them immortality. I thought that got old with you know, LOGIC.) instead of living the one we have? How many norsemen died from your swords? Hopefully not as many as died from THEIR swords, or I'd lose faith in the spirit of that arm of humanity. May they fight you for all the time your boots rape their land.

But I suppose all of that is okay. They're not pure. The pure are permitted rape, murder, and genocide.

But broader: How many palestinian children have died? How many israeli children have died? How many arabs have died in "martyrdom" only to find out THERE ARE NO VIRGINS.

I ache for all of them. I am far more loving than the "son of god" that died for you, that sent you all out to your deaths. I treasure human life. He doesn't seem too.

I am the unsaved, unclean, filthy masses of the world. I am your enemy, for I will never bow to you. I will not give in. I will not stand down. I will not bow for you. I know that when I do, your sword sweeps my neck and I cease living, existing, in my world, and I exist in the dream-sleep-death of salvation. When I enter that, my eyes would shut forever by your lies, my mouth stuffed with your hypocrisy and my ears deafend with your bells. I refuse that. I refuse you and I refute you. If you will not be refuted with words (your eyes being shut and your ears being deaf) I will refute you with whatever means neccesary. I WILL NEVER BOW TO YOU.

The term atheist is insulting. It implies not-you, but I am much, much greater. I transcend death and life because I realize there is none of the latter after the former. I exist with my own mind, without the tendrils that come within yours. I am godless. I am damned. I am free.

Never will I submit to thee; Never will I praise your dreaded name. You will never make me bow; you will never make me stand down. I will exist, for myself first, for showing those who question the path down the rabit hole.

But none who don't ask. The ignorant and the content fools you can keep. I don't need them; they'll only expect me to tell them how to live. Christ didn't come to the sheep and gather the strays; he took a pack of wolves and through his manipulating made sheep of them (or those who wrote him did... Christ didn't rise, he didn't even say those things. Check your history books that aren't written by the like that say "10 thousand years ago, god created...").

You are free to join me. I will not spurn the awakend. But dont' parrot me. Don't echo me. Not thinking is for your kind, never for mine. Until then, I have nothing more to say, than simply:

I WILL NEVER SURRENDER TO YOU. I AM FREE AND ALL-FEELING. STOP TRYING TO BLIND ME AND DEAFEN ME; THERE IS TOO MUCH BEAUTY IN THAT WHICH YOUR GOD DID NOT MAKE.

lol is this guy serious?

quote:Originally posted by mustache rider:

lol is this guy serious?

If he is, then he is just as deluded.

Dear OP:

You probably dont care what Im about to tell you and I havent read this thread, only your post so its my guess that your having a heated debate with one or two individual posters but that aside, here I go.

Evolution is not a justification for murder, rape or anything you said, it is an explanation for how life came to be. If anything, not creation but other aspects of religion giv people justification to murder/rape/fuck everyone over, (and I am refering to everysingle religion, not just yours) and thats why I abandoned my faith. I used to be a jew, and I saw how fucked up the world was, and I attribute %90 of the world's problems to religion. Homophobia, genocide, discrimination,sacrifice(some people do still sacrifice animals in the name of god, the samaritans for example),tele-evangelists(that is debatable whether or not they are evil but they piss me the fuck off),suicide bombing, war,terrorism,etc. I know some of those are vague and arent only committed by religious people or for religious reasons but everyone of them can in some way be attributed to religous nutjobs. Then there are indevidual instances in history such as the Holocaust, the Spanish Inquisition, the Rwandan genocide attempt, the Crusades, and Irish Protestant vs Irish Catholic fighting and murder, to name a few. Also, this is not really a very effective argument but it happens to bee true, alot of the religous people I know are ignorant fucks, not the ultra orthadox ones, they usually seem to be semi-intelligent and very capable but the average theistic assholes (dunno if that works but whatever) that I have come across in my day are very ignorant and superficial, and pretty pathetic if viewed critically. And then there are a few which are borderline retarded and a few which are extremely irrational, sorry Im rambling, Ill get back on topic now.

Anyways, you say that evolution does not give hope for a life beyond the grave, well think logically for a second. The universe is mostly factual and only works one way, (except for quantum physics but who gives a fuck) and when living things die, they either go on in another form or dont. Believing one or the other wont make one or the other true.

Atoms are not detailed, they are as simple as a childs boardgame. You have a ball and a bunch of little balls which fly around the big ball. Its interesting how they work but from our perspective, (which is the only relevant one if you believe in god and all that stuff) they are very dull. And the universe is mostly just nothing, and where there is something it is a lump of elements. That doesnt bother me so I dont see why it bothers some people, and if after death there is oblivion, that seems bad at first but its not. Its really not the worst thing that could happen if you think about it, aside from being a bit of an anti-climax. In conclusion, I think you should open your mind and think about things on your own from every different view point, and Im sure you have thought about stuff but admit all your thoughts were biased towards the beliefs that your mommy and daddy told you when you were a little kiddy. Even I get a little more than a little carried away sometimes. So chill out and enjoy life, and remember that the only thing that actually matters is not if everyone has unified beliefs, or if we ever find true enlightenment, its that niggers are second class citizens. Lol jk, its actually that you should never do anything to another person without their consent, live your life like that and im sure your "merciful" god will let you into heaven, even without killing or converting any infidels.

Dear OP:

You probably dont care what Im about to tell you and I havent read this thread, only your post so its my guess that your having a heated debate with one or two individual posters but that aside, here I go.

Evolution is not a justification for murder, rape or anything you said, it is an explanation for how life came to be. If anything, not creation but other aspects of religion giv people justification to murder/rape/fuck everyone over, (and I am refering to everysingle religion, not just yours) and thats why I abandoned my faith. I used to be a jew, and I saw how fucked up the world was, and I attribute %90 of the world's problems to religion. Homophobia, genocide, discrimination,sacrifice(some people do still sacrifice animals in the name of god, the samaritans for example),tele-evangelists(that is debatable whether or not they are evil but they piss me the fuck off),suicide bombing, war,terrorism,etc. I know some of those are vague and arent only committed by religious people or for religious reasons but everyone of them can in some way be attributed to religous nutjobs. Then there are indevidual instances in history such as the Holocaust, the Spanish Inquisition, the Rwandan genocide attempt, the Crusades, and Irish Protestant vs Irish Catholic fighting and murder, to name a few. Also, this is not really a very effective argument but it happens to bee true, alot of the religous people I know are ignorant fucks, not the ultra orthadox ones, they usually seem to be semi-intelligent and very capable but the average theistic assholes (dunno if that works but whatever) that I have come across in my day are very ignorant and superficial, and pretty pathetic if viewed critically. And then there are a few which are borderline retarded and a few which are extremely irrational, sorry Im rambling, Ill get back on topic now.

Anyways, you say that evolution does not give hope for a life beyond the grave, well think logically for a second. The universe is mostly factual and only works one way, (except for quantum physics but who gives a fuck) and when living things die, they either go on in another form or dont. Believing one or the other wont make one or the other true.

Atoms are not detailed, they are as simple as a childs boardgame. You have a ball and a bunch of little balls which fly around the big ball. Its interesting how they work but from our perspective, (which is the only relevant one if you believe in god and all that stuff) they are very dull. And the universe is mostly just nothing, and where there is something it is a lump of elements. That doesnt bother me so I dont see why it bothers some people, and if after death there is oblivion, that seems bad at first but its not. Its really not the worst thing that could happen if you think about it, aside from being a bit of an anti-climax. In conclusion, I think you should open your mind and think about things on your own from every different view point, and Im sure you have thought about stuff but admit all your thoughts were biased towards the beliefs that your mommy and daddy told you when you were a little kiddy. Even I get a little more than a little carried away sometimes. So chill out and enjoy life, and remember that the only thing that actually matters is not if everyone has unified beliefs, or if we ever find true enlightenment, its that niggers are second class citizens. Lol jk, its actually that you should never do anything to another person without their consent, live your life like that and im sure your "merciful" god will let you into heaven, even without killing or converting any infidels.

Dear OP:

You probably dont care what Im about to tell you and I havent read this thread, only your post so its my guess that your having a heated debate with one or two individual posters but that aside, here I go.

Evolution is not a justification for murder, rape or anything you said, it is an explanation for how life came to be. If anything, not creation but other aspects of religion giv people justification to murder/rape/fuck everyone over, (and I am refering to everysingle religion, not just yours) and thats why I abandoned my faith. I used to be a jew, and I saw how fucked up the world was, and I attribute %90 of the world's problems to religion. Homophobia, genocide, discrimination,sacrifice(some people do still sacrifice animals in the name of god, the samaritans for example),tele-evangelists(that is debatable whether or not they are evil but they piss me the fuck off),suicide bombing, war,terrorism,etc. I know some of those are vague and arent only committed by religious people or for religious reasons but everyone of them can in some way be attributed to religous nutjobs. Then there are indevidual instances in history such as the Holocaust, the Spanish Inquisition, the Rwandan genocide attempt, the Crusades, and Irish Protestant vs Irish Catholic fighting and murder, to name a few. Also, this is not really a very effective argument but it happens to bee true, alot of the religous people I know are ignorant fucks, not the ultra orthadox ones, they usually seem to be semi-intelligent and very capable but the average theistic assholes (dunno if that works but whatever) that I have come across in my day are very ignorant and superficial, and pretty pathetic if viewed critically. And then there are a few which are borderline retarded and a few which are extremely irrational, sorry Im rambling, Ill get back on topic now.

Anyways, you say that evolution does not give hope for a life beyond the grave, well think logically for a second. The universe is mostly factual and only works one way, (except for quantum physics but who gives a fuck) and when living things die, they either go on in another form or dont. Believing one or the other wont make one or the other true.

Atoms are not detailed, they are as simple as a childs boardgame. You have a ball and a bunch of little balls which fly around the big ball. Its interesting how they work but from our perspective, (which is the only relevant one if you believe in god and all that stuff) they are very dull. And the universe is mostly just nothing, and where there is something it is a lump of elements. That doesnt bother me so I dont see why it bothers some people, and if after death there is oblivion, that seems bad at first but its not. Its really not the worst thing that could happen if you think about it, aside from being a bit of an anti-climax. In conclusion, I think you should open your mind and think about things on your own from every different view point, and Im sure you have thought about stuff but admit all your thoughts were biased towards the beliefs that your mommy and daddy told you when you were a little kiddy. Even I get a little more than a little carried away sometimes. So chill out and enjoy life, and remember that the only thing that actually matters is not if everyone has unified beliefs, or if we ever find true enlightenment, its that niggers are second class citizens. Lol jk, its actually that you should never do anything to another person without their consent, live your life like that and im sure your "merciful" god will let you into heaven, even without killing or converting any infidels.

P.S.

I think something is wierd with totse since Ive tried to post this three times and Its not showing up on the page, and I hope that its not just me and that this isnt a triple post cause that would suck. If thats the case sorry.

quote:Originally posted by gmail:

Hasn't anyone figured out that sammy129 and mustache rider are TROLLS yet? Sammy129 could be just another dumb shit christian, but MR is definitely a troll. Quit getting your panties in bunch and stop replying to these idiot's threads.

I love when people say things with absolutely nothing to back it up.And you spelt my name wrong.

Hey, did anyone see the metalocalypse episode where the athiest and the agnostics have a brawl?

Say maybe to god!