Yes it is a spinoff so dont get too caught up on the thread name.

If gravity is real, then how come the moon doesn't get sucked towards the earth?

With just this one simple question I unravel the lies of thousands of years of atheist brainwashing. Don't be sheeple.

Clearly, gravity is an illusion, and the flat earth theory, as explained by the Lord, is the only solution.

quote:Originally posted by fallinghouse:

Yes it is a spinoff so dont get too caught up on the thread name.

If gravity is real, then how come the moon doesn't get sucked towards the earth?

With just this one simple question I unravel the lies of thousands of years of atheist brainwashing. Don't be sheeple.

Clearly, gravity is an illusion, and the flat earth theory, as explained by the Lord, is the only solution.

ZOMGWTFBBQ!!11!!!!111!1!one!1!

it's been alie all along... *shifty eyes*

Because each planet, moon and star have their own gravity, which pulls them towards each other whilst at the same time, allowing them to push against each other like two positive ends of a magnet.

quote:Originally posted by Source:

Because each planet, moon and star have their own gravity, which pulls them towards each other whilst at the same time, allowing them to push against each other like two positive ends of a magnet.

http://www.iep.utm.edu/f/fallacy.htm#Ad%20Hoc%20Rescue

Next please.

http://helios.gsfc.nasa.gov/qa_plan.html#planorbit

here see what nasa says.

quote:Originally posted by Source:

http ://helios. gsfc.nasa. gov/qa_plan.html#planorbit (http: //helios.g sfc.nasa.g ov/qa_plan .html#plan orbit)

here see what nasa says.

You don't ask witch doctors to perform neurosurgery. You don't trust thieves to guard the safe. So I don't trust liars to tell the truth.

...So you're kidding when you say the earth must be flat, yea? I mean, really, humans have travelled ALL THE WAY AROUND IT several million times...

...Oh and it wasn't God who suggested the earth was flat, it was the egyptians and other early cultures who believed this, and medieval preists and whatnot just decided to go with accepted theory...

quote:Originally posted by fallinghouse:

You don't ask witch doctors to perform neurosurgery. You don't trust thieves to guard the safe. So I don't trust liars to tell the truth.

Troll.

quote:Originally posted by Mojo Savage:

...So you're kidding when you say the earth must be flat, yea? I mean, really, humans have travelled ALL THE WAY AROUND IT several million times...

Have you walked around it? Think. What have you really seen? What do you really know?



quote:...Oh and it wasn't God who suggested the earth was flat, it was the egyptians and other early cultures who believed this, and medieval preists and whatnot just decided to go with accepted theory...

Sure...look at psalm 93:1 and combine what it says with Isaiah 11:12 and you have a pretty solid reference to the earth being flat.

quote:Originally posted by Source:

Troll.

http://www.iep.utm.edu/f/fallacy.htm#Ad%20Hominem

quote:Originally posted by fallinghouse:

Sure...look at psalm 93:1 and combine what it says with Isaiah 11:12 and you have a pretty solid reference to the earth being flat.

Just did... Smartarse, okay you got me there. http://www.totse.com/bbs/wink.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/wink.gif)

But seriously, just because you haven't seen something doesn't make it untrue. That's like an ostritch sticking its head in the sand... Do you really believe the earth is flat? Or are you just posing a thought?

I'm seriously asking by the way, not mocking.

quote:Originally posted by Mojo Savage:

But seriously, just because you haven't seen something doesn't make it untrue. That's like an ostritch sticking its head in the sand...

Marvellous point.

quote:Do you really believe the earth is flat? Or are you just posing a thought?

I'm seriously asking by the way, not mocking.

Of course I think it. There is no other reason for me to make this thread, is there?

quote:Originally posted by fallinghouse:

Of course I think it. There is no other reason for me to make this thread, is there?

There is no reason for you to make this thread, period. You don't seem very open to discussion about the topic at hand, which is your assertion that the earth is flat, which is ... just false.

quote: I don't trust liars to tell the truth.

Translation: "No point in discussing this theory with me unless you believe exactly what I do, else I won't listen. I am not open to other people's opinions if they should differ from my own. The fact that actual photographs of earth have been taken is of no importance here."

So what's the point? Why not just start a group chat with other like-minded flat-earth Christians and abandon the thread idea altogether, since you know full well that the people with an opposing view are going to cite science?

quote: With just this one simple question I unravel the lies of thousands of years of atheist brainwashing.

Riiiiight. You just keep telling yourself that.

http://www.totse.com/bbs/rolleyes.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/rolleyes.gif)

Of course gravity isn't real (http://www.theonion.com/content/node/39512)

Why Doesn't the Moon Fall Down? (http://www.teachersdomain.org/resources/ess05/sci/ess/eiu/moonorbit/index.html)

LMAO 'Gravitationists' Lol.



Since gravity is a lie, why don't you prove it by jumping off a building.

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quote:Originally posted by Source:

Because each planet, moon and star have their own gravity, which pulls them towards each other whilst at the same time, allowing them to push against each other like two positive ends of a magnet.

LOL. Someone skipped out on their science classes.

quote:Originally posted by fallinghouse:

Have you walked around it? Think. What have you really seen? What do you really know?

You don't need to. Go sit on a beach and watch a boat come in over the horizon on a clear day. If the world was flat, you'd see the boat sail in as if it came out of a fog. You don't. You'll see a mast, then the forecastle, then the rest of the ship.

Here. http://tinyurl.com/2nv8z6



quote:Originally posted by fallinghouse:

Sure...look at psalm 93:1 and combine what it says with Isaiah 11:12 and you have a pretty solid reference to the earth being flat.

Did God write those books? I always thought it was a group of Jews and a prophet...

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quote:Originally posted by King_Cotton:

Did God write those books? I always thought it was a group of Jews and a prophet...

He didn't write them directly, of course. Like the author of many works long ago, he had his scribes (prophets and such) do most of the writing via divine inspiration.

http://www.gotquestions.org/Bible-God-Word.html

quote:Originally posted by Clarphimous:

He didn't write them directly, of course. Like the author of many works long ago, he had his scribes (prophets and such) do most of the writing via divine inspiration.

http:// www.gotque (http: //www.gotq uestions.o rg/Bible-G od-Word.ht ml) stions.org /Bible-God-Word.html

He inspired Paul to despise homosexuals, too?



quote:

The internal evidences are those things internal to the Bible itself that testify of its divine origin. One of the first internal evidences that the Bible is truly God’s Word is seen in its unity. Even though it is really sixty-six individual books, written on three continents, in three different languages, over a period of approximately 1500 years, by more that 40 authors (who came from many walks of life), the Bible remains one unified book from beginning to end without contradiction. This unity is unique from all other books and is evidence of the divine origin of the words as God moved men in such a way that they recorded His very words.

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"Why do plants crave it?"

"It's got electrolytes."

"What are electrolytes?"

"It's what plants crave!"



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quote:Originally posted by King_Cotton:

He inspired Paul to despise homosexuals, too?

From what I can recollect, Paul did not despise homosexuals. He condemned homosexuality, just as he did for any other sin. Hate the sin, love the sinner... right?

quote:Originally posted by Clarphimous:

From what I can recollect, Paul did not despise homosexuals. He condemned homosexuality, just as he did for any other sin. Hate the sin, love the sinner... right?

Where's the sin in being gay?

Gay sex, I can see the sin, but not because its gay, only because it's premarital sex.

quote:Originally posted by Martini:

Of course gravity isn't real (http://www.theonion.com/content/node/39512)

uhhhhhhh, those people should be shot

quote:Originally posted by King_Cotton:

Where's the sin in being gay?

Gay sex, I can see the sin, but not because its gay, only because it's premarital sex.

I'll let you read Paul's own reasons, since that's probably what you're looking for. This is everything I could find regarding him and homosexuality.

http://bible.oremus.org/?ql=41232246

quote:Originally posted by boozehound420:

uhhhhhhh, those people should be shot

The Onion is a satire website.

quote:Originally posted by Clarphimous:

I'll let you read Paul's own reasons, since that's probably what you're looking for. This is everything I could find regarding him and homosexuality.

http://bible.oremus.org/?ql=41232246

Doesn't answer the question. It condemns gay sex, but not homosexuality. What is intrinsically wrong being gay?

quote:Originally posted by King_Cotton:

Doesn't answer the question. It condemns gay sex, but not homosexuality. What is intrinsically wrong being gay?

Exactly. It doesn't condemn "liking" a person of the same sex. Does that answer your question?

quote:Originally posted by fallinghouse:

With just this one simple question I unravel the lies of thousands of years of atheist brainwashing. Don't be sheeple.

How are atheists brainwashing anyone and how did you unravel anything by asking a question?

quote:Originally posted by fallinghouse:

You don't ask witch doctors to perform neurosurgery. You don't trust thieves to guard the safe. So I don't trust liars to tell the truth.

And when someone else called you a troll you linked to a link defining an Ad Hominem attack. You don't see this as hypocritical?



quote:Originally posted by fallinghouse:

Of course I think it. There is no other reason for me to make this thread, is there?

If this is sarcasm, you should make it more clear, otherwise people are going out of their way to argue with someone who is only pretending to believe the Earth is flat, and this makes you a certified troll.

quote:Originally posted by fallinghouse:

Of course I think it. There is no other reason for me to make this thread, is there?

quote:Originally posted by xray:

If this is sarcasm, you should make it more clear, otherwise people are going out of their way to argue with someone who is only pretending to believe the Earth is flat, and this makes you a certified troll.

I thought it was rather obvious. She's as real as they come.

The reason that everything stays on the earth relates back to Adam and Eve in the garden of Eden. When they disobeyed God by eating the fruit they let sin into the world, and it permeates almost everything. Above the earth is heaven; beneath the earth is hell. So of course, everything naturally goes to hell.

After you realize this, many things begin to make sense. After the fall, the serpent could no longer float in the air, and instead was cursed to crawl on its belly all its life. Why do angels fly? How could Jesus walk on water? How did Jesus fly up to heaven? Because they are free of sin.

quote:which is your assertion that the earth is flat, which is ... just false.

Nice argument.

quote:Translation: "No point in discussing this theory with me unless you believe exactly what I do, else I won't listen. I am not open to other people's opinions if they should differ from my own. The fact that actual photographs of earth have been taken is of no importance here."

No that's not it at all. If someone is accused of committing a crime, you don't ask them if they are guilty or not. Because they have a vested interest. It is the same here.

As for the photographs, have you not heard of photoshop?

quote:

Since gravity is a lie, why don't you prove it by jumping off a building.

If only I was free of sin, I would.

quote:You don't need to. Go sit on a beach and watch a boat come in over the horizon on a clear day. If the world was flat, you'd see the boat sail in as if it came out of a fog. You don't. You'll see a mast, then the forecastle, then the rest of the ship.

My eyes aren't good enough to see at that distance.

But even if I could see that, I would find it much more reasonable to believe that this effect is caused by a fog very close to the water, so that the bottom of the ship is blocked, but the mast is not. As the ship ventures deeper into the fog, it's height rises - covering the entire ship.

Or perhaps it is even an optical illusion similar to mirages.

quote:How are atheists brainwashing anyone and how did you unravel anything by asking a question?

Everyone is indoctrinated about gravity and the spherical shape of the earth from a very young age. Since my simple question can't be truthfully answered by someone who doesn't have a vested interest in the earth being thought to be spherical, then it is clear that the only reason so many people believe it is force of mental habit.

quote:

And when someone else called you a troll you linked to a link defining an Ad Hominem attack. You don't see this as hypocritical?

Nope. Ad Hominem is a fallacy when the accusation being made is irrelevant to the argument. Since NASA lying is quite relevant, it is no Ad Hominem.

quote:

If this is sarcasm, you should make it more clear, otherwise people are going out of their way to argue with someone who is only pretending to believe the Earth is flat, and this makes you a certified troll.

Your brainwashing has been so thorough that you can no longer even comprehend someone disagreeing with it.

quote:The reason that everything stays on the earth relates back to Adam and Eve in the garden of Eden. When they disobeyed God by eating the fruit they let sin into the world, and it permeates almost everything. Above the earth is heaven; beneath the earth is hell. So of course, everything naturally goes to hell.

After you realize this, many things begin to make sense. After the fall, the serpent could no longer float in the air, and instead was cursed to crawl on its belly all its life. Why do angels fly? How could Jesus walk on water? How did Jesus fly up to heaven? Because they are free of sin.

I suspect you may be mocking me, but your understanding of the theory is correct.



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quote:Originally posted by fallinghouse:

Yes it is a spinoff so dont get too caught up on the thread name.

If gravity is real, then how come the moon doesn't get sucked towards the earth?

With just this one simple question I unravel the lies of thousands of years of atheist brainwashing. Don't be sheeple.

Clearly, gravity is an illusion, and the flat earth theory, as explained by the Lord, is the only solution.

is this sarc. suppose to prove anything? is it suppose to discredit Sammy somehow? it certaintly doesnt do that! Gravity bieng an illusion and the flat earth theory made by god? which headfucked athiest told you that one? Look heres a perfect example of your alls hypocracy! He writes this you praise because he thinks the way you do, if i was to write something in comparison youd go on all day that i was a troll youd start pmsing and start throwing shit! doesnt matter if he does allign himself to your side how do you not see the complete retardedness of what he just stated? i would be able to point out my sides completely retarded statements. Dont bother to reply to this post i already know what your going to say

1.troll

2. wheres your evidence

pathetic!

ps. get the fuck out troll!

quote:Originally posted by fallinghouse:

Everyone is indoctrinated about gravity and the spherical shape of the earth from a very young age. Since my simple question can't be truthfully answered by someone who doesn't have a vested interest in the earth being thought to be spherical, then it is clear that the only reason so many people believe it is force of mental habit.

You asked a question in your OP and stated, "With just this one simple question I unravel the lies of thousands of years of atheist brainwashing."

Your stating you unraveled something by asking a question. Now you're saying this is so because no one can answer it unless they have a vested interested in the Earth being spherical. This is a retarded line of reasoning. By asking a question you have unraveled nothing and you have shown no evidence that there is any vested interest in teaching the Earth to be spherical other than an interest to teach the truth.



quote:Originally posted by fallinghouse:

Nope. Ad Hominem is a fallacy when the accusation being made is irrelevant to the argument. Since NASA lying is quite relevant, it is no Ad Hominem.

Using the past of someone or a group to conclude that they are now lying is exactly an Ad Hominem attack. Not to mention that no where in this thread did you attempt to prove that NASA has a history of lying. Do you believe that man made satellites are in orbit?

quote:Originally posted by fallinghouse:

Your brainwashing has been so thorough that you can no longer even comprehend someone disagreeing with it.

How did you come to the conclusion that I've been brainwashed?

quote: Originally posted by Masta Thief:

is this sarc. suppose to prove anything? is it suppose to discredit Sammy somehow? it certaintly doesnt do that! Gravity bieng an illusion and the flat earth theory made by god? which headfucked athiest told you that one? Look heres a perfect example of your alls hypocracy! He writes this you praise because he thinks the way you do, if i was to write something in comparison youd go on all day that i was a troll youd start pmsing and start throwing shit! doesnt matter if he does allign himself to your side how do you not see the complete retardedness of what he just stated? i would be able to point out my sides completely retarded statements. Dont bother to reply to this post i already know what your going to say

1.troll

2. wheres your evidence

pathetic!

ps. get the fuck out troll! (http://i15.tinypic.com/450kncz.jpg)

Alright, without consulting a source on this, I can make two pretty good guesses as to why the Moon doesn't crash into the Earth.

First, we assume that the moon is small enough to be considered a trivial "satellite" of the Earth (like the one you use to watch TV, use the internet, etc.). Then the Earth's gravitational field would most definitely pull the moon towards its centre. However, if the moon was "falling" towards the Earth at the proper rate, the Earth's curve would prevent it from directly hitting as the moon would miss each time.

I know you don't believe the Earth is curved. But, seriously, take a telescope out to the ocean and watch the boats come in. You'll get it. Eventually.

More accurately, however, I would predict that the moon's own mass also prevents it from falling towards the Earth. Newton's third law states that when you apply a force to an object, it will try to return an equal and opposite force. Since the moon has a fairly large mass, I would predict that it could offer enough resistance to prevent it from falling to the Earth.

But, of course, I learned this in science class. So they were lying, right? Sir Isaac Newton? What a fraud. With all those books on theology and junk, he was a hardcore atheist sinner commie fag terrorist pussy communist, right?

quote:Originally posted by Clarphimous:

Exactly. It doesn't condemn "liking" a person of the same sex. Does that answer your question?

Sorry, your wording before had me thinking you were condemning simply being gay like so many right-wing nutjobs do.

quote:Originally posted by MolecularMollusc:



More accurately, however, I would predict that the moon's own mass also prevents it from falling towards the Earth. Newton's third law states that when you apply a force to an object, it will try to return an equal and opposite force. Since the moon has a fairly large mass, I would predict that it could offer enough resistance to prevent it from falling to the Earth.



As i remember, the moon IS constantly falling towards the earth but the momentum of it orbiting the earth keeps it at its distance. If the moon stopped orbiting, and just stayed still it would be pulled into the earth. Same goes from the earth and the sun.

I cant remember why the earth spins, and the moon orbits, and the sun orbits and the galaxies spin etc.

How do flat earth dumbasses explain the spinning, probably just deny it, even when they flush the toilet.

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quote:Originally posted by Martini:

Of course gravity isn't real (http://www.theonion.com/content/node/39512)

*Loves The Onion* http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/biggrin.gif)



quote:Originally posted by fallinghouse:

But even if I could see that, I would find it much more reasonable to believe that this effect is caused by a fog very close to the water, so that the bottom of the ship is blocked, but the mast is not. As the ship ventures deeper into the fog, it's height rises - covering the entire ship.

Or perhaps it is even an optical illusion similar to mirages.



When standing on the upper levels of very high buildings, you can easily see the curvature of the Earth. (Unless you are insanely short-sighted)

Can I please have a trippy explanation for this one?

quote:Originally posted by MolecularMollusc:

More accurately, however, I would predict that the moon's own mass also prevents it from falling towards the Earth. Newton's third law states that when you apply a force to an object, it will try to return an equal and opposite force. Since the moon has a fairly large mass, I would predict that it could offer enough resistance to prevent it from falling to the Earth.

But, of course, I learned this in science class. So they were lying, right? Sir Isaac Newton? What a fraud. With all those books on theology and junk, he was a hardcore atheist sinner commie fag terrorist pussy communist, right?

According to gravitationists, the equal and opposite force would be the force dragging the earth towards the moon. Except the earth has a bigger mass, so it doesn't affect its orbit as much.

quote:Originally posted by fallinghouse:

You don't ask witch doctors to perform neurosurgery. You don't trust thieves to guard the safe. So I don't trust liars to tell the truth.

Haha this guys is such a clown. I hope god does exists but not according to this guys beliefs and he ends up getting shat on by Jesus for the rest of eternity for being a douch and not believing in the "correct" cult ... I mean religion.

quote:

You asked a question in your OP and stated, "With just this one simple question I unravel the lies of thousands of years of atheist brainwashing."

Your stating you unraveled something by asking a question. Now you're saying this is so because no one can answer it unless they have a vested interested in the Earth being spherical. This is a retarded line of reasoning. By asking a question you have unraveled nothing and you have shown no evidence that there is any vested interest in teaching the Earth to be spherical other than an interest to teach the truth.

I thought the fact that NASA very much benefits from the myth of the sphere was obvious. I can't see them receiving any kind of funding once the truth comes out.

quote:

Using the past of someone or a group to conclude that they are now lying is exactly an Ad Hominem attack.

It is not fallacious if the past is highly relevant to the case at hand.

quote:Not to mention that no where in this thread did you attempt to prove that NASA has a history of lying.

Haha, you actually think they landed on the moon!?!

quote:Do you believe that man made satellites are in orbit?

Nope.

quote:

How did you come to the conclusion that I've been brainwashed?

'...you can no longer even comprehend someone disagreeing with it [your false beliefs].'

quote:First, we assume that the moon is small enough to be considered a trivial "satellite" of the Earth (like the one you use to watch TV, use the internet, etc.). Then the Earth's gravitational field would most definitely pull the moon towards its centre. However, if the moon was "falling" towards the Earth at the proper rate, the Earth's curve would prevent it from directly hitting as the moon would miss each time.

Do you know why perpetual motion machines are impossible? Because you can't get energy out of nowhere, and you can't get 100% efficiency. According to the theory of gravity, falling objects go from a higher potential energy state to a lower one. How then does the moon fall, yet maintain the same energy? Answer: It can't, hence the theory of gravity is flawed.

quote:I know you don't believe the Earth is curved. But, seriously, take a telescope out to the ocean and watch the boats come in. You'll get it. Eventually.

I've already answered this.

quote:More accurately, however, I would predict that the moon's own mass also prevents it from falling towards the Earth. Newton's third law states that when you apply a force to an object, it will try to return an equal and opposite force. Since the moon has a fairly large mass, I would predict that it could offer enough resistance to prevent it from falling to the Earth.

General Relativity states that gravity cannot be properly considered as a Newtonian force.

quote:

As i remember, the moon IS constantly falling towards the earth but the momentum of it orbiting the earth keeps it at its distance. If the moon stopped orbiting, and just stayed still it would be pulled into the earth. Same goes from the earth and the sun.

According to the theory of gravity, falling objects go from a higher potential energy state to a lower one. How then does the moon fall, yet maintain the same momentum? Answer: It can't, hence the theory of gravity is flawed.

quote:How do flat earth dumbasses explain the spinning, probably just deny it, even when they flush the toilet.

Even gravitationist scientists don't think that the toilet water spins because of the 'rotation of the earth'.

ht tp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coriolis_effect#Draining_bathtubs.2Ftoilets (http: //en.wikip edia.org/w iki/Coriol is_effect# Draining_b athtubs.2F toilets)

quote:When standing on the upper levels of very high buildings, you can easily see the curvature of the Earth. (Unless you are insanely short-sighted)

I've never been on top of a tall building.

I don't know for sure, but if you are telling the truth, then it is possibly an effect of the curved surface of the eye ruining accuracy at long distances. Or perhaps an optical illusion similar to a mirage. No need to invoke crazy assumptions about the shape of the earth.



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quote:Originally posted by fallinghouse:

No that's not it at all. If someone is accused of committing a crime, you don't ask them if they are guilty or not. Because they have a vested interest. It is the same here.

Of course not - I suppose you just accuse the person, not let them defend themselves because of their *vested interest*, and justice is done? http://www.totse.com/bbs/rolleyes.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/rolleyes.gif)

What about the accusers and their vested interests?

You are a tool.

quote:As for the photographs, have you not heard of photoshop?

It's humorous how these flat-earthers can just assert "Nasa is lying" and then attempt to shut the book on the argument at hand. Why not assert your own "vested interest" and produce some ariel photographs of your own to help support your hare-brained theory? It certainly couldn't hurt, could it? Let the experts decide what is photoshopped and what is real, but have the guts to produce your own photographs.

quote:Have you walked around it? Think. What have you really seen? What do you really know?

Why stop at a flat earth? How do you know there even is an Earth? Or anything, for that matter?

quote:Originally posted by fallinghouse:

I thought the fact that NASA very much benefits from the myth of the sphere was obvious. I can't see them receiving any kind of funding once the truth comes out.

You are skirting the issue. You are not showing at all how asking a question unraveled anything. You are merely supposing that if someone is lying than it will discredit them, then they must be lying. Pretty awful circular reasoning.



quote:Originally posted by fallinghouse:

It is not fallacious if the past is highly relevant to the case at hand.

Again, it is the exact definition of an Ad Hominem attack! And again, you have not given any evidence of them having a history of lying.

quote:Originally posted by fallinghouse:

Haha, you actually think they landed on the moon!?! What I think doesn't answer the question. Where is your evidence of them lying?



quote:Originally posted by fallinghouse:

According to the theory of gravity, falling objects go from a higher potential energy state to a lower one. How then does the moon fall, yet maintain the same momentum? Answer: It can't, hence the theory of gravity is flawed.

You don't understand everything about how something works, therefore, the theory is flawed. That's some logic you've got there. It doesn't maintain the same momentum; it is slowing down

If the Earth is flat, how do you explain the 24 time zones and high noon? How do you explain that when I was stationed in Iraq, it was nighttime when it was daytime back in the states?

quote:Originally posted by Rizzo in a box:

Why stop at a flat earth? How do you know there even is an Earth? Or anything, for that matter?

I'm afraid that's where he's going. He's merely trolling and pretending to believe this nonsense to make some bullshit philosophical point.

i have lost all faith in humankind.



*suicides*

I love it how people ask a question, then when they are referred to people FAR more knowledgeable in the subject, and FAR more intelligent than the questioner....they siphon their answer off as lies because they are in on the "conspiracy"

I say:

The bible isnt true, it was written by be in a past life.........prove im wrong, anyone who says anything different to me is obviously in on the conspiracy to ruin my life.......

See how silly it is?

quote:Originally posted by among_the_living:

I love it how people ask a question, then when they are referred to people FAR more knowledgeable in the subject, and FAR more intelligent than the questioner....they siphon their answer off as lies because they are in on the "conspiracy"

I dunno... some of those responses were pretty wrong. And it's rather sad when they don't try to correct one another when they do make a mistake. Doesn't show much intellectual honesty. And that's how typical pseudosciences work. They have no mechanism to weed out incorrect ideas because they're overly acceptant of anything that sounds good to them.

I'm not saying this about all the posts above, just some of them.

quote:Originally posted by Clarphimous:

I dunno... some of those responses were pretty wrong.

I don't believe among_the_living was talking about those who posted in this thread when he referred to "people FAR more knowledgeable in the subject". I believe he was saying when given explanations by educational sites, those who literally have traveled around the world, NASA, etc., they conveniently call expert witnesses liars who are in on the "conspiracy".

quote:Originally posted by xray:

I don't believe among_the_living was talking about those who posted in this thread when he referred to "people FAR more knowledgeable in the subject". I believe he was saying when given explanations by educational sites, those who literally have traveled around the world, NASA, etc., they conveniently call expert witnesses liars who are in on the "conspiracy".

Oh, right. He did say "referred," didn't he? Leave it to me to misread.

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If there is no gravity what causes the aparent shift in the position of the stars when their light passes by the sun as veiwable during a solar eclipse?

Silly fundamentalist.

Mabey you should read up on physics, its called centripetal force. By your same logic if you swung a ball around on a string it would fly straight at you as opposed to going round in a circle. Gravity is the string, i.e. the acceleration provided by gravity holds the moon up.

Thats why the moon stays up, so your argument is retarded.

Edit: elaborated physics

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quote:Of course not - I suppose you just accuse the person, not let them defend themselves because of their *vested interest*, and justice is done?

Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit.

When someone is accused, there are a number of ways to do justice without relying on them to be telling the truth. One such way is to analyse their story for inconsistency (what I am doing). Obviously, you don't let the accused do the analysing.

quote:What about the accusers and their vested interests?...

...It's humorous how these flat-earthers can just assert "Nasa is lying" and then attempt to shut the book on the argument at hand. Why not assert your own "vested interest" and produce some ariel photographs of your own to help support your hare-brained theory? It certainly couldn't hurt, could it? Let the experts decide what is photoshopped and what is real, but have the guts to produce your own photographs.

What is my vested interest?

quote:Why stop at a flat earth? How do you know there even is an Earth? Or anything, for that matter?

Descartes solved this problem in his Meditations on First Philosophy (see mediation 6).

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You are merely supposing that if someone is lying than it will discredit them, then they must be lying.

Nope.

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Again, it is the exact definition of an Ad Hominem attack!

It is not fallacious if the past is highly relevant to the case at hand.

quote:And again, you have not given any evidence of them having a history of lying...

...What I think doesn't answer the question. Where is your evidence of them lying?

Since you are arguing from a scientific perspective, and skepticism is the default view of science, you are the one that needs to show proof.

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You don't understand everything about how something works, therefore, the theory is flawed. That's some logic you've got there. It doesn't maintain the same momentum; it is slowing down

If the Earth is flat, how do you explain the 24 time zones and high noon? How do you explain that when I was stationed in Iraq, it was nighttime when it was daytime back in the states?

Your lack of familiarity with gravitationist propaganda is showing. Gravitationists, crazily enough, believe the moon is in fact gaining momentum (have you not heard that the moon gets farther away each year?). You are the one who doesn't understand.

quote:If there is no gravity what causes the aparent shift in the position of the stars when their light passes by the sun as veiwable during a solar eclipse?

There is a great dome shaped bowl that covers the earth. On it, the stars and sun are placed.

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Mabey you should read up on physics, its called centripetal force. By your same logic if you swung a ball around on a string it would fly straight at you as opposed to going round in a circle. Gravity is the string, i.e. the acceleration provided by gravity holds the moon up.

Thats why the moon stays up, so your argument is retarded.

The analogy is flawed. In the ball example, I am pulling it around. Gravity pulls towards, so your argument is retarded.

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quote:Originally posted by fallinghouse:

The analogy is flawed. In the ball example, I am pulling it around. Gravity pulls towards, so your argument is retarded.



Haha, uhm perhaps, the moon has a velocity which is gained from the acceleration towards earth, this velocity is tangential to the direction of acceleration (towards earth) so it is constantly being pulled towards earth, but always moving tangential to earth. The string is pulling towards just like gravity, get a clue.

quote:Originally posted by fallinghouse:

The analogy is flawed. In the ball example, I am pulling it around. Gravity pulls towards, so your argument is retarded.



Ahh so the string pulls around perpendicular to itself, rather than along the axis where it is taught?

So I guess when I pull something on a string, the object will start sliding sideways?

quote:Originally posted by fallinghouse:

Your lack of familiarity with gravitationist propaganda is showing. Gravitationists, crazily enough, believe the moon is in fact gaining momentum (have you not heard that the moon gets farther away each year?). You are the one who doesn't understand.



Do you have any idea what momentum is? Momentum = Mass x velocity. The moon does not gain mass obviously and it is not gaining velocity. Once again get a clue. The reason for it to move into space is because earth isn't perfectly spherical hence it doesn't orbit quite properly thus spiraling into space.

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roy_179: Haha, uhm perhaps, the moon has a velocity which is gained from the acceleration towards earth, this velocity is tangential to the direction of acceleration (towards earth) so it is constantly being pulled towards earth, but always moving tangential to earth. The string is pulling towards just like gravity, get a clue.



Nereth: Ahh so the string pulls around perpendicular to itself, rather than along the axis where it is taught?

So I guess when I pull something on a string, the object will start sliding sideways?

The hands don't remain motionless when I swing a ball around.

quote:Do you have any idea what momentum is? Momentum = Mass x velocity. The moon does not gain mass obviously and it is not gaining velocity. Once again get a clue. The reason for it to move into space is because earth isn't perfectly spherical hence it doesn't orbit quite properly thus spiraling into space.

To keep the same time for rotation around the earth at a greater distance requires an increase in velocity. An increase in momentum.

quote:Originally posted by fallinghouse:

To keep the same time for rotation around the earth at a greater distance requires an increase in velocity. An increase in momentum.

It's a balance between the gravitational force and the speed of the orbiting object. Shorter distance between the two objects and greater mass means a greater gravitational force, which requires higher speeds to keep the satellite from crashing into the planet. Conversely, if the satellite spirals outward, then it would either have to slow down to maintain a stable orbit or it would move away even faster.

So keeping the same orbital period at a greater distance is not possible without destabilizing the orbit.

quote:Originally posted by fallinghouse:

Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit

Sarcasm actually serves quite well in this instance. I have no choice but to speak to you as if you're twelve, as you don't appear to be able to wrap your mind around the clear refutations that have been offered in this thread.

quote: When someone is accused, there are a number of ways to do justice without relying on them to be telling the truth.

But is there a way to "do justice" without having that person's testimony? I think not. Even if filtered through attorneys, the accused has the right to speak up for themselves, or at the very least make sure that the representation they're receiving is consistent with their side of the story. What you were trying to do on page 1 of this debacle was state that Nasa's findings can't even be taken into consideration, just because they are scientific in nature.

quote: One such way is to analyse their story for inconsistency (what I am doing). Obviously, you don't let the accused do the analysing.

You're not really analyzing anything. You're miserably failing at proving that gravity is an illusion. Science analyzes. Your kind just fills-in-the blanks with ridiculous statements that lack substance, such as:

quote: the flat earth theory, as explained by the Lord, is the only solution.

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quote: What is my vested interest?

Earlier, when you were questioning the authenticity of NASA findings and rattling on about how you've "unraveled years of atheist brainwashing", I would have asserted that your vested interest was to prove science wrong, thereby somehow lending more credibility to your Lord.

Reading through the rest of your comments, I'm going to have to say that your vested interest must be to make a fool out of yourself in this thread.



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quote:Originally posted by fallinghouse:

The hands don't remain motionless when I swing a ball around.

For fucks sake. Which direction is the string pulling? TOWARDS YOU. If it wasn't pulling towards you then the string would have no tension. Yet it does not fly at you, amazing, isn't it? Your hands don't remain still because they are providing an acceleration, an unmoving hand obviously dose not provide any force. The acceleration is towards your hand, please explain how it is not.

Also regarding the moon slowly drifting away, Acceleration (in this case gravity) = velocity squared over the radius. Since gravity is a constant when the radius changes due to the fat shape of the Earth the moon has to speed up, and slow down, this causes it to spiral outwards, so i was wrong about it not gaining momentum, it does, but it EXACTLY fits our theories to explain it. Why is God moving the moon away from our flat Earth then? Just cause he can? Doesn't he have better things to do like make a rock so big he can't lift it?

Why make arguments based on absolutely nothing? I hate people who have spouts of verbal diarrhea when they have no idea about the subject they are talking about.

Now back to my physics assignment http://www.totse.com/bbs/cool.gif (http://www.totse.com/bbs/cool.gif)

quote:Originally posted by AngryFemme:

I would have asserted that your vested interest was to prove science wrong, thereby somehow lending more credibility to your Lord.

AngryFemme, because fallinghouse has mentioned the Lord and used two Bible verses to justify belief in a flat Earth, you are giving him the benefit of the doubt that he's a Christian and not a troll. He has stated before in this forum that he's not Christian. He doesn't believe for a second that the Earth is flat.

quote:Originally posted by xray:

AngryFemme, because fallinghouse has mentioned the Lord and used two Bible verses to justify belief in a flat Earth, you are giving him the benefit of the doubt that he's a Christian and not a troll. He has stated before in this forum that he's not Christian. He doesn't believe for a second that the Earth is flat.

That is correct.

But I did get exactly what I wanted from this thread:

'But is there a way to "do justice" without having that person's testimony? I think not. Even if filtered through attorneys, the accused has the right to speak up for themselves, or at the very least make sure that the representation they're receiving is consistent with their side of the story. What you were trying to do on page 1 of this debacle was state that Nasa's findings can't even be taken into consideration, just because they are scientific in nature.'

Perhaps it's because I've never read him state that he's not a Christian that I'm at fault for accusing him of being one. I didn't read his internet biography through the "search all posts for this user" before commenting that he was a Christian. And for that, I publicly apologize:

fallinghouse, I have mistaken you as a Christian.

Or MAYBE it's because he is supporting a fundamentalist Christian belief (in the earth being flat) and making ridiculous statements about "unraveling years of atheist brainwashing" that I assumed he was a person of faith. Maybe him quoting Bible scripture as back-up was what confused me.

While I've admitted that I jumped the gun on predicting his faith, I'm still forced to wonder if he just made this topic out of pure fun, for in this thread, he is seemingly supporting Christian beliefs.

If he doesn't believe for a second that the earth is flat, and really and truly believes that gravity is real - yet made a debate-like thread about it just to watch himself type responses defending those beliefs ... then in lieu of calling him a Christian or a troll, I'd like to at least continue to call him foolish.

It just seems like a waste of his time to go through all those keystrokes, and a waste of everyone else's time responding to them if he doesn't really embrace the beliefs he's initiating debate on. For someone who isn't in the know about his real beliefs, I think it is fair to give ME the benefit of the doubt for assuming his beliefs are a little on the Christian side when the OP read as follows:

quote: Originally posted by falling house:

If gravity is real, then how come the moon doesn't get sucked towards the earth?

With just this one simple question I unravel the lies of thousands of years of atheist brainwashing. Don't be sheeple.

Clearly, gravity is an illusion, and the flat earth theory, as explained by the Lord, is the only solution.

I mean... what's a girl to presuppose after reading that?.

Nevertheless - I appreciate you for setting me straight on what he really believes, xray. I am actually a little relieved to know that he doesn't support all the BS he posted about, and that gives me just that ( -- ) much more faith in humanity.

^ Zero sarcasm intended, so I implore you not to read it as such.





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quote:Originally posted by fallinghouse:

That is correct.

Terrific. I specifically asked you if you actually mean what you say and that pretending to believe something you don't is trolling, and you responded with, "Your brainwashing has been so thorough that you can no longer even comprehend someone disagreeing with it."

Aren't there rules on this board against trolling?

Oh, I wasn't trolling. That would imply that I made this thread to see people get riled up about something.

I'm glad this thread fulfilled your needs, fallinghouse. I'm slowly starting to realize your whole motivational role in it:

If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, then baffle them - with bullshit!