...my internal dialogue shut off long enough for my eyes to see. Man...there's a lot of shit going on in this world. No wonder people come to the conclusion of a divine ruler God more often than a pantheist view. It's fucking frightening to just sit back and look carefully at everything going on. Since I started typing this, several hundred people were born, several hundred died...shit.

That's all folks.

That's some fly agaric shit.

Nah, that's some sober Adam Hansen shit right there.

So people are born and die everyday... that would make people believe in a personal god because?...

man, we're on a floating rock in the middle of billions upon billions of miles of nothing, that's apparently constantly expanding and getting bigger and more infinite every second.

it's so damn hard to care about anything.

quote:Originally posted by Hare_Geist:

So people are born and die everyday... that would make people believe in a personal god because?...

I don't believe it was actually a pro God argument.

quote:Originally posted by ---Beany---:

I don't believe it was actually a pro God argument.

No, but I'm asking why people would come to the conclusion of a personal God based on that.

We are on a little rock spinning at 0.5 km/sec orbiting a gait ball of fire at 30 km/sec that's orbiting a bunch of scary stuff in the center of the Milky Way Galaxy at 250 km/sec all at the same time as our Milky Way Galaxy is moving in the Local Group of galaxies at 300 km/sec with with a collision course with another galaxy.

omg first time i smoked weed it was amazingly religious. I lost of all sense of being "human" and felt so animal, so alive, and so aware of the world around me. What was dying, what was living, and what was just existing. It completely eradicated the idea of a "God" in my mind.

quote:Originally posted by Hare_Geist:

No, but I'm asking why people would come to the conclusion of a personal God based on that.

There's just so much going on. It's overwhelming. Seriously; take a moment and picture in your head all the car accidents happening, the decapitations from rollovers, the rapes, murders, genocides, wars, famines, plagues, lies; the births, marriages, kisses, hugs, songs, musics, dances, the nervous stares of shy guys and pretty girls...it's fucking overwhelming to seriously picture all that shit in your head without the additional thought of a controlling figure. Our minds don't do too well resting on the premise of 'shit happens' when we open our eyes and see just how much shit is happening.

Even taking scientific theory into it, that just adds more into the fray of shit that is happening - string theory down to simple shit like 'what goes up must come down'...there is too much going on for us to comprehend without going into some state of mind-fuck.

This isn't an argument for God, by the way, simply an observation of mine.

quote:Originally posted by Hexadecimal:

...my internal dialogue shut off long enough for my eyes to see. Man...there's a lot of shit going on in this world. No wonder people come to the conclusion of a divine ruler God more often than a pantheist view. It's fucking frightening to just sit back and look carefully at everything going on. Since I started typing this, several hundred people were born, several hundred died...shit.

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There's just so much going on. It's overwhelming. Seriously; take a moment and picture in your head all the car accidents happening, the decapitations from rollovers, the rapes, murders, genocides, wars, famines, plagues, lies; the births, marriages, kisses, hugs, songs, musics, dances, the nervous stares of shy guys and pretty girls...it's fucking overwhelming to seriously picture all that shit in your head

...actually, that's pretty darned close to identical to how I started a kick of pantheistic deism... a theosophy which confuses the fuck out of aetheists and theists alike.

...only difference is, my trip tended to focus more on the points of interchange... I mean, at what exact point does that molecule of oxygen stop being "atmosphere" and start being "self?" Define it for me. That's right, the precise line, or else...

...now...

...think of the plants, man, think of the plants!!! Each of them. Each and every last one.

...and you, for fuck's sake, cannot find a single point at which you are not the plants.

Sum game's a fuckin' trip... you're absolutely right to blow a gasket at its complexity, but these are not many things... but one.

...and each of these you named is you. The illusion of a line of seperation dissolves when you take a look at it. You are, in fact, the nebulae which supernova'd themselves aeons before the solar disc was ever born - and what are they without the gravitational tides of galaxies?

Each birth, each death - it is a facet of you, or you are a facet of it... because, without that breath which you exhale, the plants would have suffocated long ago and they would have never been.

Barring the psuedo-scientific mumbo-jumbo (not what you meant by it, however), I agree!

I usually use a simple 3-letter word to describe it: tao.

In relation to Joe Pedos post.

When everything is stripped of its man-made meaning, there is nothin gthat makes one thing "that" and another thing "this".

There is no finger, there is no palm. There is only hand.

There is no hand, there is no foot, there is only body.

There is no body, there is no land, there is only earth.

There is no earth, there is no sun, there is only life... etc.

Then you see the world as you did when you were a baby. No seperation between yourself and another. Your experience becomes everything. Your body was no more important than the ceiling you stared at, since it's all part of your experience of the whole.

I will say one thing about "Assigned meaning". It does simplify the world. When I want to clean my teeth I don't have to search around for something, because this object called "a toothbrush" is just for that, and while I don't have to spend 10 minutes searching for something to clean my teeth I can spend it doing something bigger.

Not saying that's necessarily a good thing tho.