What's the biblical basis for the serpent in Genesis being Satan? Or the whole, Satan being an angel and getting kicked out of heaven deal? I'm almost certain theres no support for either in the bible (I may be wrong). And if these beliefs aren't biblical then where did they come from?

Edit: Here you go!

1 Now the serpent Rev. 12.9 ; 20.2 was more subtile than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?

2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:

3 but of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.

4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:

5 for God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.

6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.

7 And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.

8 ¶ And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God amongst the trees of the garden.

9 And the LORD God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou?

10 And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself.

11 And he said, Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat?

12 And the man said, The woman whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat.

13 And the LORD God said unto the woman, What is this that thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, 2 Cor. 11.3 and I did eat.

14 ¶ And the LORD God said unto the serpent,



Because thou hast done this,

thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field;

upon thy belly shalt thou go,

and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:

15 and I will put enmity between thee and the woman,



and between thy seed and her seed;

it shall bruise thy head,

and thou shalt bruise his heel.

16 Unto the woman he said,



I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception;

in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children;

and thy desire shall be to thy husband,

and he shall rule over thee.

17 And unto Adam he said,



Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife,

and hast eaten of the tree,

of which I commanded thee, saying,

Thou shalt not eat of it:

cursed is the ground for thy sake;

in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;

18 thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; Heb. 6.8



and thou shalt eat the herb of the field:

19 in the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread,



till thou return unto the ground;

for out of it wast thou taken:

for dust thou art,and unto dust shalt thou return.

20 ¶ And Adam called his wife's name Eve; 3 because she was the mother of all living.

21 Unto Adam also and to his wife did the LORD God make coats of skins, and clothed them.

22 ¶ And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, Rev. 22.14 and eat, and live for ever:

23 therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.

24 So he drove out the man: and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden cherubim, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.



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It doesn't say the serpent was satan. How could satan have been bad already, and then go bad later (when the angels mated with women)? Satan should have still been on god's good side during the eden incident.

So the angels mated with the women, huh? Did the dinosaurs stand around and cheer them on?

Don't Christians ever question what the bible says? I mean, thats almost incest on a biblical scale....

Or is that one of the parts of the bible best ignored?

I wonder how many have actually considered that the bible may be just a story book?

ummm.... most of them?

If i found someone in the UK who thought the earth was made a few thousend years ago, i'd think they were nuts.

Well like, with the whole war on heaven thing, and Lucifer being cast out, and Satan being an ex-angel. Is that even in the Bible?

First of all, th whole Garden of Eden thing is a myth.

My guess is that the serpent was made the heavy because many people have snake phobias--which is likely a sort of genetic memory from the time that prehominds were aquatic mammals.

Well dude, I know it was a myth and all, I'm just wondering the biblical basis for the snake being Satan, or Satan being a fallen angel, or fallen angles existing at all. Is there one? and if not, where did these ideas even come from?

quote:Originally posted by nametag:

Well dude, I know it was a myth and all, I'm just wondering the biblical basis for the snake being Satan, or Satan being a fallen angel, or fallen angles existing at all. Is there one? and if not, where did these ideas even come from?

The serpent was a talking lizard, not Satan. It says his punishment was to crawl on the earth, like god took his legs away. That's not the punishment that satan got.

Later on there is a passage about angels who had a job watching humans, and their commander left. They got bored and fucked humans and made monster babies.

I don't have the verses, but they are in there.

If your precious fruit of knowledge can bestow Godly traits, wouldn't that insinuate God was merely some sort of creature that ingested your fantasy fruit?

Genesis was poetry. If you actually read it in Hebrew, the nouns and pronouns double up as something else. Descriptions, names, times and settings... all of it was done in loose poetry.

Example:

quote:

Genesis was actually called Bareshith. Bareshith means "in the beginning" as how Genesis begins. "Bare-" sounds like "bara" and "bara" is a Hebrew verb for "he created". "-shith" sounds like "shesh" and "shesh" means six. So the "bara" and "shesh" say "He created in six." As you read along in Genesis you find the God created everything in 6 days before he rested on the 7th.

Or the more obvious Eve/Eva was named "Chavva", which means life. This being obvious because Eve is suppose to be the mother that gave birth to all human life.



As the story originally went, the snake may have not been Satan at all. It would seem that the story was just passed along in oral tradition for entertainment purposes. Then when the tribal nomads of Israel felt they needed to organize the religion around their Yahweh fertility god, they just included this story as a starting point. Any connection between this story and their religion or Christianity is just after-the-fact type rationalizing.

Also, after the couple was banished from Eden, it is said that an angel gaurded its gates with some kind of awesome revolving fire sword. As far ahead in history as the original keepers of the Jewish Temple, they held no beliefs in angels or afterlife. So the connection of this story to the actual religion that incorporated it seems suspicious.

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So the angels mated with the women, huh? Did the dinosaurs stand around and cheer them on?

Don't Christians ever question what the bible says? I mean, thats almost incest on a biblical scale....

Or is that one of the parts of the bible best ignored?

I wonder how many have actually considered that the bible may be just a story book?




Well,

a human wrote it so it must be true.