Why do you not belive in God.

I don't belive in him mainly becuase i the stories in the bible don't agree with science.

Because there's no reason to.

because he doesn't exist.

Because there's no reason to.

Because there's no reason to, seeing how he doesn't exist.

Two-thirds of your brain is composed of fats.

I believe in God because no FINITE mind of the most intelligent scientist can disprove his existence with data like you guys have to disbelieve in him.

So many reject God, because his laws that teach to live the right way are immensely demanding and strenuous. (the path is VERY narrow, few walk it to Eternal life)

Yes I would love to have sex with many women, yes I like watching violent movies (i try not to much but they have no power over me)I use to love fighting (even though i never looked for, fights found me). Tempation judges your character much.

I cannot show you who is God and why/how etc he exists (since how this world is so ORDERLY existing isn't much proof for you). Only you have the power to go to him and try to understand.

1. I believe the question was "Why do you not belive in God?"



2. If you believe because "no FINITE mind of the most intelligent scientist can disprove his existence" then you must believe in a load of other silly shit.

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Common sense.

Beccause he's about as real as that teapot that's supposidly in orbit 'round the sun between here and Mars...

I've always loved that example.

i couldn't find the name of that. it's ike pauls teapot or something?

What's the point? There is no reason to lean on a higher power to solve my problems, to seek salvation from, or to worship for hope of an afterlife that does not exist.

I've recognized it as a harmful co-dependency that absolves reason, creates conflict between me and the rest of the human race, and discourages honest inquiry.

It's just not beneficial, on any level. It does more harm than good, and the goodness that is to be found in it can be attained through my own efforts without all the guilt, fear and prejudice that accompanies it.

Since I've already got the propensity for moral behaviour and a natural goodwill towards others, it just seems unnecessary to haul all that extra baggage around and feign helplessness in the face of an imagined, absentee Creator.

People need someone to blame, they want to always feel like there children, with their "father" to protect them, thinking about it psychologically it seems only right that we want someone else to take some of the blame for our own actions.

I belive this, and i also belive in taking responsibilty for my own actions hence i dont belive in god, theres alot more to it than that simple argument before anyone decides to pick out one of the many flaws.

quote:Originally posted by RAOVQ:

i couldn't find the name of that. it's ike pauls teapot or something?

Russell's Celestial Teapot. Not quite as awesome as the spagetti monster, but it was here first!

quote:Originally posted by Dadegunna305:

I believe in God because no FINITE mind of the most intelligent scientist can disprove his existence with data like you guys have to disbelieve in him.

Actually in terms of argument or debate, it's not up to us to disprove the existence of god, it's up to you to prove it. Ref: the teapot (or Invisible Pink Unicorn, or two-thousand-mile-long fish in orbit around Callisto, etc).

Personally, I don't believe in any god because its existence seems quite improbable and almost certainly unnecessary to my life and my worldview.

I don't believe in any gods because there's nothing to suggest that they exist, and also the people that do believe in them seem to be among the most stupid motherfuckers on the planet.

I think that if there were a god it would take alot longer then a week to have made what he did.

quote:Originally posted by brotherinarms:

I think that if there were a god it would take alot longer then a week to have made what he did.

If you're going to believe in an almighty creator, the length of time he takes to do his mighty bidding seems rather irrelevant doesn't it?

Because i refuse to fall into the same way of thinking that ancient civilizations did to describe the unknown.

Why is that thing giving us light everyday....GOD

What created the universe......GOD

Well we proved the sun is not a god. And thers no reason to think one day we wont be able to answer the big questions religios people are holding onto today.

Some religions believe in several gods. Who the fuck are Christians, Muslims, and Jews to tell them they're wrong? Works the other way to. There is no proof for the existence of god, and if people say "you can't prove he doesn't exist", well, you can't prove ancient Egyptian, Greek, and Aztec gods don't exist either.

I feel that people need a patriarchal father figure to run to when times get tough. They want to believe that there life isn't completely meaningless. They want to believe that they will be able to see their loved ones again. People believe in god because they are pathetic and mentally unstable.

quote:Common sense.

Yea...pretty much

Because I'm not scared.

The idea of God honestly seems silly and unbelievable to me, plus alarm bells start going off when people say you just have to have faith because there's no evidence for this all-powerful, merciful creator of everything.

If by God, you mean Yahweh, I don't believe in I Am because it's a bunch of poems.

I do, however, believe there's simply something more than we can perceive. Why do I believe that? Well...we constantly find there's more than we saw before...and I have a feeling that in an infinitely large space, there's never going to be an end to that which is beyond comprehension. Do I think it has magical powers and shit? Nope...it just kind of is...kind of like the universe is. So I guess I do believe in 'I Am' in a way...I just call it, 'It Is'. :)

I do, however, believe there's simply something more than we can perceive. Why do I believe that? Well...we constantly find there's more than we saw before...and I have a feeling that in an infinitely large space, there's never going to be an end to that which is beyond comprehension. Do I think it has magical powers and shit? Nope...it just kind of is...kind of like the universe is. So I guess I do believe in 'I Am' in a way...I just call it, 'It Is'. :)

I personally wouldn't call that God, just "what isn't known" or "the unknowable". You calling it God is equal to a toddler who doesn't understand mathematics saying the answer to two plus two is God because he doesn't know it.

What you miss is my assertion that God is nothing more than the unexplained. :P It won't go away, ever, though, because we will never explain everything. 'It Is' simply Is...always has, is, and will be.

What you miss is my assertion that God is nothing more than the unexplained. :P It won't go away, ever, though, because we will never explain everything. 'It Is' simply Is...always has, is, and will be.

I didn't miss the assertion, I simply stated why I wouldn't call it God. It's a silly relabeling of something that already been labeled with the word "unexplained".

No shit?

I thought I was trying to argue otherwise...

No shit?

I thought I was trying to argue otherwise...

To call it God is a silly relabeling, to call it 'I Am' makes absolutely no sense (use my mathematically ignorant toddler analogy to understand why) and to say "it is" is to not say anything profound at all, which makes me question why you even posted the second paragraph instead of simply saying "no, I don't believe in God".

For a simple reason: I don't care if people understand me or not; I don't care if I'm seen as knowledgeable or foolish; and I certainly don't like to be concise when it comes to religion.

Catholics want to call a cardboard wafer the Eucharist...I think I can get away with calling the unknown 'God', and naming it 'It Is' rather than 'I Am'...all the while just playing with my dick and drinking a cool glass of water.

Anyways, the entity Yahweh in the Bible is a personification of the conscience. The 'adversary' is a personification of temptations (instinct survival skills gone wild?). And our volition! Our choice: a wonderfully extrusion of inner dialogue...the balancing of conscience and temptations.

Deceptions really...that's all it is.

For a simple reason: I don't care if people understand me or not; I don't care if I'm seen as knowledgeable or foolish; and I certainly don't like to be concise when it comes to religion.

So you relabeled the unknowable part of the universe 'God' because you don't like to be concise? And what's the point of posting in a thread on a forum all about communication if you don't care whether people understand you, since you surely would only post to communicate something, as you're doing now by communicating that you supposedly don't care if people understand you? And I never said anything about you being foolish or knowledgeable, I was just critiquing your idea, not you.

Anyways, the entity Yahweh in the Bible is a personification of the conscience. The 'adversary' is a personification of temptations (instinct survival skills gone wild?). And our volition! Our choice: a wonderfully extrusion of inner dialogue...the balancing of conscience and temptations.
Well that's certainly a nice interpretation, better than the orthodox one (I'm not being sarcastic here).

I believe in God because no FINITE mind of the most intelligent scientist can disprove his existence with data like you guys have to disbelieve in him.


There's an infinite number of things that cannot be disproved. That's why logic works from evidence up, rather than counter-theory evidence down. See: Pink Unicorn, FSM, teapot.


I cannot show you who is God and why/how etc he exists (since how this world is so ORDERLY existing isn't much proof for you). Only you have the power to go to him and try to understand.

See: Entropy; confirmation bias.

What you're saying is lovely, but where's the evidence that you aren't merely deluding yourself? Can you perform telekinesis? Do your prayers come true?

1)Because religion is the root of most evil.
2)Because belief in God is ignorant and unproductive.
3)Because God is a poor answer for questions such as the orgin of the universe or life after death.
4)Because the idea that a supernatural being creates us and removes our freewill, then judges us is entirely idiotic.
5)If God existed, he wouldn't want us to mindlessly praise him, he would want us to reach our full potential.
6)Once again, the idea that God gives us free will and ability and then forces us to suppress that free will and ability is entirely idiotic.
7)Because tele-evangelists are too ridiculous to be taken seriously.
8)The bible was meant not to be taken literaly, and because it is taken literaly the messages are warped and meaningless.
9)I went to a Jewish school my whole life and saw firsthand how fucking ridiculous some people who believe in God are.
10)Because scientific evidence says otherwise.

So many reject God, because his laws that teach to live the right way are immensely demanding and strenuous. (the path is VERY narrow, few walk it to Eternal life)


I think I actually have more morals than most self-proclaimed Christians at my school and I'm atheist.

a) I don't believe in God because as a general rule, atheist are more intelligent than theists.
b) I didn't feel a personal connection to god even when I was a theist and my religion encouraged such things.
c) I don't like to believe in things upon which the scientific method can't apply.
d) I read Dawkins' "The God Delusion".
e) I read "Misquoting Jesus" (title different outside the U.S.) and realized that the Bible is not divinely inspired because (to quote the author) "if God couldn't preserve the words of the Bible, what are the odds that he created them in the first place?"
f) I asked myself "Why doesn't God heal amputees?"
g) I understand that religion was, is, and always has been used to control the masses. "Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich." --Napoleon Bonaparte
h) The beauty of the natural world far surpasses that of the mystical.
i) I found Christian morality to disagree with my secular life, which I had much more care for.
j) I asked myself: "If science is just a bunch of theories, what is religion?" The answer: a bunch of faith; theory>faith. The theory of gravity dictates that you will fall towards the ground, no matter how much faith you have that you can fly.
l) More than anything, I asked myself "Why God? Why not Vishnu, or Ra, or Quetzalcoatl?"

Being not of religion, i know that i can be a good person without being threatened with eternal damnation i know that i can be kind of my own free will. I know that i can make my own decisions and feel good about them, Not have to be worried about if what i did was wrong in the eyes of someone else, that if i change my mind i wont be judged.


One of my favorite quotes:

"Science doesn't judge you if you don't believe in it or not. Science wont torture you if you don't follow its teachings. Science answers are prayers to feed the hungry and cure the sick. Science makes our lives as comfortable as possible. Science answers are questions about the universe and life. And you still have that free will all these religious people claim because you can use science for good or evil"

Yep thats why i don't believe in god, or more so religion.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. I don't see any evidence at all.

Empirical evidence, or lack thereof.

Because i dont think id like to base my life on a book which is basically a compilation of old myths stolen from every civilization pre its existance.

No evidence.

Because there's no reason to.

QFT...

Just because you are atheist and don't believe in the bible does not mean that there isn't a god. And science does support the existence of god. Science doesn't support the fairy tales in the bible. Watch the documentary called "What we don't know". It explains how the evolution of our universe is so precise down to unmeasurable levels that there had to be some creator. Our existence on earth is so small I don't think you understand how insignificant human race is. If all the stars in the universe were grains of sand they would fill up the US 12 feet high. I know this because I am a college student at Cal Poly San Luis Obispo and I am taking Astronomy 102. If there is a god there certainly isn't a god that watches over the planet earth and all the humans. We are just one small fraction of a grain of sand that is orbiting one of those grains of sands. The God I believe in is the being or whatever that is behind the big bang. And if science explains how the big bang happened then there will be a new unknown that god will explain. Until we know everything about our universe (which will most likely be never) there will be a god to explain the unknown.

Just because you are atheist and don't believe in the bible does not mean that there isn't a god. And science does support the existence of god.

just because you belive it doesn't make it true.

and take it from me, science in no way has anything to offer that supports the existence of god.

And science does support the existence of god.

No it doesn't. Not in any way.



I know this because I am a college student at Cal Poly San Luis Obispo and I am taking Astronomy 102.


Wait til you get out of your freshman year of college before you start making bold statements of truth that you have no way of supporting.


Until we know everything about our universe (which will most likely be never) there will be a god to explain the unknown.

read: I don't have an explanation for some sort of observed phenomena in the universe, therefore, it must be the work of god.

or

OMGWTFGODDIDIT!!

that was the thought process of most throughout history up until around the age of enlightenment....if something in the natural world couldn't be explained logically, if it was just attributed to god....

You can NOT Believe in God.

God(NOW) Belief(PAST) is an Oxymoron/Blasphemy.

God Belief is Definition Direction "IN" caesar, Autocracy; HIERARCHY - Centralized CONTROL - World Dictatorship"BE" - Perdition: "Self" Destruction.

"AS YOU BELIEVE so shall you "BE".

Religion cannot defeat science. Science cannot defeat religion.

If you choose to give the universe's grand connections a name and worship it does nothing whatsoever to make those who fail to personify the universe to the extent you have 'wrong'.

Not personifying the collective knowledge of the universe's complex interactions and overall unity does not speak whatsoever of superior intellect, logic, or strength. The knowledge of a natural existence does nothing to make those who ascribe it a conscience 'wrong'.

It boils down to whether or not you want a sentience to existence. (And if our masses of molecules have this attribute, we've no reason to believe or disbelieve, that existence as a whole has this attribute.)

Continue to argue, though...we all know we're part of one giant 'it'...reverence or lack thereof does nothing to change that truth.

I don't know. Perhaps humans are too naive to fathom the prospect of a higher being, perhaps it's because there's no concrete proof of God, but then again, they'res no proof that he isnt real. I don't know.

I don't know. Perhaps humans are too naive to fathom the prospect of a higher being, perhaps it's because there's no concrete proof of God, but then again, they'res no proof that he isnt real. I don't know.

And there's the main argument of most religious folk: there's no proof he isn't real. To claim existence by lack of evidence against is one of the most idiotic fallacies possible.

I don't know. Perhaps humans are too naive to fathom the prospect of a higher being, perhaps it's because there's no concrete proof of God, but then again, they'res no proof that he isnt real. I don't know.

My favorite argument against that one is: "You can't disprove The Flying Spaghetti Monster (www.venganza.org) XD

@RAOVQ
I talk of God not as an conscious omnipotent being that created the universe but perhaps the original force or power that was responsible for existence of all the mass in the universe.

"The various parameters of the universe — the charge of the electron, the strength of gravity, and so forth — appear to be finely tuned to support the existence of stars and atoms and molecules and life. If the conditions at the instant of the Big Bang had been slightly different, the argument goes, then the universe (at least from an earthling's point of view) would have been a colossal waste of space-time. So we are the lucky benefactors of blind chance, or life was planned all along — either by a Great Intender or by some physical or mathematical or logical law or process. Ignore the great Wittgensteinian whisper and you feel the queasy discomfort of a human mind pushed to the edge of what it is possible to know." - http://www.nytimes.com/2003/11/11/science/11GOD.html?ex=1383886800&en=d79e988862706b37&ei=5007&partner=USERLAND

So basically you can believe that we are a miracle or there was something behind the miracle and I choose the latter.

@chickenpoop
First off the knowledge I was referring to was not the existence of a god but rather the previous sentence: If all the stars in the universe were grains of sand they would fill up the US 12 feet high. I guess I don't have a way of proving that, but thats what my professor said so I take that as a fact. Instead of rolling your eyes and criticizing a few sentences I wrote with simple statements why don't you tell me why you think science does not support the existence of a God or creator or force that produced our universe. For human science to explain everything behind entire universe, and in turn disprove the existence of God or universe engineer, would be the equivalent of chimp trying to explain the science of planet earth. Of course science is infinite in that new discoveries could be made that disproves everything we know, but humans as they are now are probably not going to discover an plausible evidence that supports or disproves the existence of God.

I cannot understand how anyone can rationalize the existance of god. I was raised in a Christian environment, and was taught from a very young age that god was the real McCoy (and that everything in the bible was true). I was always a curious kid and had an insatiable hunger to understand what made things tick.(I guess that's why I ended up in the line of work I'm in). The more I learned and understood, the less religion/god made sense, and the more doubts I had. It didn't require much exposure to the simple elegance of natural/scientific explanations of how the world works, to turn those doubts into the realization that god and the bible stories are just fairy tales. Everything I have experienced in my life since that time has reinforced that realization.

@ relik192 just because your a priori god is mystical doesn't necessarily mean he exists, for example, I can say that fairies are so mystical that we will never be able to explain them, indeed I may even use your monkey metaphor (good job on that one btw seriously)... also note that Allah, Vishnu, and a hell of a lot of other gods are just as mystical as yours, unless you mean a deist god in which case my job is harder... . For the first part of your post, I refer you to Goddess Wikipedia, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fine-tuned_universe#Major_possibilities... personally I prefer the anthropic principle. Just because things may seem designed at the moment doesn't mean they are... what did people think before Darwin? The argument from design will eventually be disproven on all fronts (at least I hope), we've already seen it disproved in biology, it's only a matter of time before a valid conclusion is achieved in cosmology as well (even though the universe [and its possible parrallels] is difficult to hypothesize about).
Hope this got you thinking.

@nshanin
I am referring to a deist god. I hope that someone disproves the existence of God because then we would know what the truth is. Proof of a God is much less likely because it seems like the only way to prove that there is a God is to meet it or see it. All other evidence is mostly speculations. I feel alot less secure having belief rather knowledge, but I would rather have something to fill in the unknown of our origin. I don't think that a cosmological breakthrough will happen anytime soon (referring to human lifetimes), but I'm sure, when compared to the age of the universe or earth, we will have a solid answer soon. In this unknown amount of time it will take to find the answers to the universe humans may be completely different than they are today. You make a good point to critique the "finely tuned universe" theory because I am pretty positive that if the universe was substantially different than it is today, life would be completely different as well and would evolve differently.

@relik192, you make excellent points, but ill again give my ad infinitum argument that if we allow unsponsored belief in a god (regardless of creed), we'll have to leave the door open to fairies, superdimensional beings, aliens in the core of Jupiter, and my personal favorite, the belief that the center of the sun is an absolute vacuum (its somewhere here on totse, under fringe and astronomy i think, quite ridiculous). I open myself to a deist god, but again, since it's quite irrelevant in the first place (what are you going to do, pray to it?), and impossible to prove at the moment, ill put it in the same category as aliens, faster-than-light travel, and cold fusion... things that we may find the answer to, possibly even in my lifetime, but things that we must remain agnostic about until such an answer appears (okay, cold fusion bad example, but you get it)... most likely if a deist god exists, he (she?) won't show him/herself to us (why wouldnt he/she have done it sooner?), and it may very well be that the universe will end before we can find an answer to your question, much like humans may search for ever smaller particles or loopholes to general relativity... personally, i place more doubt into a deist god than faith in it (mainly because i'm an empiricist), much like i believe that aliens probably exist somewhere, and that cold fusion will be possible, but i have no way of proving myself unless such progress occurs in my lifetime...
Sorry for the rant, but what I'm trying to say is that gods are unprovable whatever way you look at them, and I don't honestly believe that we will be able to (dis)prove your hypothesis in the future at all... so that sums up my reasons for not believing in god(s), hope you found a nugget of truth in that pile of shit (i need some sleep).

i believe in God...

i believe in God...

i pity you...
http://www.richarddawkins.net

i pity you...
http://www.richarddawkins.net

Why do you pity him exactly?

Science > Religion.

If it weren't for science we would still be running around naked in caves. If it weren't for 'science' you wouldn't have any fucking paper to write your fucking bible on, and you wouldn't be able to read/write. Now, go cry in a corner.

science > religion because the intellectual community accepts it; why do you think you learn science and not religion in school? Because smart ppl believe in the power of science, not some silly Jewish folk tales.