I was thinking today. If the religious right had some bright minds working for them, then many of the religious issues that they bitch about wouldn't be debatable. For example, instead of bitching about the removal of the ten commandments from the front of a courthouse, just add Hammurabi's code next to it, and we have a secular display. Or instead about whining about the reading of the bible being removed from schools, have the kids also read the Vedas, or the Quran. Or maybe their lack of action in this way reveals their true intention. They merely want to indoctrinate the youth with government money.

They merely want to indoctrinate the youth with government money.

Yep. That they do.

They merely want to indoctrinate the youth with government money.

and this differentiates them from the muslims, liberals, Fem-Nazis and just about everyone else ,how?

and this differentiates them from the muslims, liberals, Fem-Nazis and just about everyone else ,how?

I think it is the subtlety of those groups. I don't know of any Lesbians that are spurting out one Irish twin after another, and home schooling each one of them.

Edit: ^ This may not apply to muslims.

and this differentiates them from the muslims, liberals, Fem-Nazis and just about everyone else ,how?

... because they aren't all up in arms about it. I've never heard a muslim complain about there not being any Ramadan decorations at the local shopping mall. You got Christmas and Jewish decos, some even have Kwanza decos. Kwanza!! Muslims should complain about there being Kwanza decos before there are Muslim ones. But they don't.

Even the retarded liberals try to put some kind of realism into their complaining. There is nothing realistic about God hates fags or New Orleans being flooded and New York being targetted by terrorists because God thinks they are the new Sodom and Gemorrah.

... because they aren't all up in arms about it. I've never heard a muslim complain about there not being any Ramadan decorations at the local shopping mall. You got Christmas and Jewish decos, some even have Kwanza decos. Kwanza!! Muslims should complain about there being Kwanza decos before there are Muslim ones. But they don't.

Even the retarded liberals try to put some kind of realism into their complaining. There is nothing realistic about God hates fags or New Orleans being flooded and New York being targetted by terrorists because God thinks they are the new Sodom and Gemorrah.

Slightly offtopic but recently i needed to buy a birthday card for my brother in law who is a Maroc (a muslim).

I couldn't find a single card for a 30 year old man that didn't have either a depiction of alcohol or women/suggestions of drinking and sex on it:(

inuteroteen here in Europeland the muslims etc are very much up in arms about their 'rights'.

If anything my post was encouragement for the right on how to get their shit together. Because if things were more thought out, they wouldn't be labeled as anti-intellectual ignorant fools. Just a little suggestion.

here in Europeland the muslims etc are very much up in arms about their 'rights'.

Meh, lets just kill them all

and the sad thing is that some of the right probably think christianity should be taught as part of the public school curriculum.

and the sad thing is that some of the right probably think christianity should be taught as part of the public school curriculum.

I am pretty secular myself. This would be doable if taken from the right angle. It would have to be taught in a world religions type class, something along the line of social studies. This is not what the right wants, they want each kid saying their prayers, reading the bible and ultimately becoming Christians.

Its pretty funny, I caught part of Tom Delay's interview on the 700 Club. He had a humorous Freudian slip. "Keep god in the public scho......square."

Good thing we have the god hating, nazi supporting, gay loving ACLU.

Good thing we have the god hating, gay loving ACLU.

I wouldn't call them God hating, more defenders of what America was meant to stand for and, depending on who you ask, should stand for. I really like a lot of their stances, although I disagree with a lot of it too.

I wouldn't call them God hating, more defenders of what America was meant to stand for and, depending on who you ask, should stand for. I really like a lot of their stances, although I disagree with a lot of it too.

I was being ironic. I really respect their principles. They defend things that they may not agree with, but they understand that those people have the freedom to be an ass hole if they want.

LOL, rymthing in topic title!

For example, instead of bitching about the removal of the ten commandments from the front of a courthouse, just add Hammurabi's code next to it, and we have a secular display.

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The thing I always find weird is that a lot of people want to have the ten commandments posted up on a courthouse when many of thoes people don't even have them posted up in there house. When is the last time you walked in someone's house and saw them? How about in a church?

If these people want to have the ten commandments in a courthouse because "our system is based on them". Just look at them. If ypu don't have a copy on hand google them.

I/IV- Thoes have to do with god, a clear violation of church and state, except with the sunday laws which are almost nowhere nowdays.

V- A main goal in a teens life is to rebel against there parents.

VI- Don't kill, simple, short, sweet. Except when it's broken. This is a staple of all (sane)religons.

VII- Everyone is a cheater, either in bed or in the mind. I like the origional meaning though. You had to have a clear line from father to first born male and another man in bed would screw this up, more or less litarly. So as long as just one man, he can have as many bitches he wants. Go Mormons!!

VIII- Don't steal, yet another staple. And don't steal staplers either.

IX-Back then you needed witness to convict someone for murder or something else. Now we have CSI. Perjury(lying in court) is an offence. However it's no one's ever convicted except in high profile cases.

X- it's envy, a basic humanresponse when we see a better car, wife, house, ect.

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*wipes forhead*

As if swearing on a Bible before giving a testimony isn't enough. They should have people swear on something else. What is going to stop a Christian from swearing on a Bible and lying afterwards? They do it all the time: divorce, premarital sex, using Gods name in vane, worshiping false idols... If they are Christian, they already swore not to do all of this if they ever attended church or received some kind of sacrament. The Bible and the religion doesn't mean anything to these people. If it doesn't put food on their table, clothes on their back, and a pussy/cock in their bed they don't give a crap.

i think that people who fight for bibles in school or 10 commandments or w/e should just fucking shut the fuck up. they should just say you know what if you dont want to believe in my religion than okay when the day comes god will kick ur ass down to hell. who cares if schools have bibles or anything else religious in it. leave that to the parents, no fuck that leave it to the kids. theres no other age when someones so vulnerable to having someones beliefs jammed into their spungey brains. the kids should just believe what they want. of course someone will cry out " what about morals! atheists dont have morals!" its absofuckinglutly bullshit who says someone who doesnt believe in god doesnt have morals. i dont believe in god but i know enough not to kill people for shitsngiggles, or to fuck my neighbors wife. 1 killing people doesnt appeal to me unless im protecting someone who i love, family country etc. 2 fucking my neighbors wife would compell him to do some fucked up shit to me.
A.E. something like this "you cant solve the problems of today with the minds that created them." so why have our parents and elders (problem makers) tell us what to believe or do, (religion or becoming a doctor or teacher.) i wanted to be a fucking marine when i grow up, my parents when i was younger told me that i should be someone "successful" like a teacher or doctor or pick up some trade. ....my brother joined the army, hes training to get into SF now, if not hes going to war in june. ive never been so proud of him in my life. just live and let die people. free rights for everyone. and to you parents out there. please dont kill your kids dreams. dont push anything on them. they are only alive for so long. if they feel they can make a difference let them, if they feel they can do it through music, let them or if they feel taking a gun and going to war is best. let them.

God has rules, and in order for you to be eternally happy in the afterlife you must obey. Society has rules, and in order to be economically and 'socially' accepted, you must obey. So if we have rules what's so hard to believe that there are other rules besides ours? And who really has the right to make our rules for everybody. We're all equal in the end and though there are those who are more talented than others why should we listen to the ones who aren't the most talented?

God has rules, and in order for you to be eternally happy in the afterlife you must obey. Society has rules, and in order to be economically and 'socially' accepted, you must obey. So if we have rules what's so hard to believe that there are other rules besides ours? And who really has the right to make our rules for everybody. We're all equal in the end and though there are those who are more talented than others why should we listen to the ones who aren't the most talented?



what are you getting at? i understand what your saying but what point are you getting across?

God has rules, and in order for you to be eternally happy in the afterlife you must obey. Society has rules, and in order to be economically and 'socially' accepted, you must obey. So if we have rules what's so hard to believe that there are other rules besides ours? And who really has the right to make our rules for everybody. We're all equal in the end and though there are those who are more talented than others why should we listen to the ones who aren't the most talented?

yes god has rules. Because WE have rules. We as humans made up religion to impose those rules on the public. Dont understand the second part.

yes god has rules. Because WE have rules. We as humans made up religion to impose those rules on the public. Dont understand the second part.


i agree for the most part and i didnt completely understand dudemans statement.

i think that the religions we have today are sort of like policing the world, they just as somewhat threats scare us all into being good people to eachother and not being greedy or lazy, and they scare us with burning in hell but also tempt up with eternal happiness in heaven, but something that tempts us is already contradicting gods rules of not being tempted to do something for a reward. its just the question of is trying to get eternal happiness in heaven greedy? or is any sin after death voided because of the actions on earth.

i agree for the most part and i didnt completely understand dudemans statement.

i think that the religions we have today are sort of like policing the world, they just as somewhat threats scare us all into being good people to eachother and not being greedy or lazy, and they scare us with burning in hell but also tempt up with eternal happiness in heaven, but something that tempts us is already contradicting gods rules of not being tempted to do something for a reward. its just the question of is trying to get eternal happiness in heaven greedy? or is any sin after death voided because of the actions on earth.

Like Einstein said something along the lines of "If we have to be scared of what will happen to us in the afterlife to behave, what does that say about humanity?"

inuteroteen, what do you think it means?

When enough people with enough opinions and enough money get together to "save us from ourselves," we're going to have a lot of shit to dig through to get to the real reasoning.

There's a moral in all this: It's not the validity of the opinion, it's the size of the backing funds that are supplied with the sound-bite worth of garbage.

inuteroteen, what do you think it means?

I think it means that people are able to be good people with out the fear of an omniscient omnipotent paternal figure making sure that we do right. I for one don't need the fear to be a good person. I am perfectly capable of knowing right from wrong and feeling empathy. Its a joke when regular human qualities are credited to a piece of bronze age literature.

i like that, thank you for sharing that quote with us. im not a god fearing or believing man but i do understand how to be a good person.

"A man's ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death."

That is the exact quote from Einstein