A you tube video which I think comletely illustrates how religion corrupts the minds of the youne to fit there agenda.

Link (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rd3laVISXLA)

thoughts?

A you tube video which I think comletely illustrates how religion corrupts the minds of the youne to fit there agenda.

Link (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rd3laVISXLA)

thoughts?

How religion corrupts the minds of children? They are in a church you dumbass! what, you want them to preach evolution? What a fucking idiot!

If evolution were so great then i'd think you'd have a little more followers than 2.6% of the worlds population agreeing with you! I'm not saying thata proof but he makes it sound as if religion is small when really religion consumes more than 95% of the world when his beliefs have the same amount of followers as a few big-sized cults!

religion consumes more than 95% of the world

Great numbers of adherents does not a sound methodology make.

If evolution were so great then i'd think you'd have a little more followers than 2.6% of the worlds population agreeing with you!

source?

How religion corrupts the minds of children? They are in a church you dumbass! what, you want them to preach evolution? What a fucking idiot!

If evolution were so great then i'd think you'd have a little more followers than 2.6% of the worlds population agreeing with you! I'm not saying thata proof but he makes it sound as if religion is small when really religion consumes more than 95% of the world when his beliefs have the same amount of followers as a few big-sized cults!

Religion absolutely corrupts the minds of innocent children. That it happens in churches does not excuse it.

Young children are impressionable, and will believe whatever is taught to them as truth. The church feeding them false information (either out of ignorance or intent) definitely corrupts their minds. Teaching them that fairy tales are true seriously dampens their critical thinking abilities.

Your ignorance is strong evidence of the accuracy of my arguments.

Are you seriously ignorant enough to believe that only 2.6% of the world accepts that evolution is real? You are seriously delusional.

Young children are impressionable, and will believe whatever is taught to them as truth. The church feeding them false information (either out of ignorance or intent) definitely corrupts their minds. Teaching them that fairy tales are true seriously dampens their critical thinking abilities.


This perfectly describes evolutionary indoctrination as well as you can plainly tell this one is still corrupted.

BTW although i dont think what these people were doing was exactly right(mostly because there are much better arguments you can teach) but you have to remember these are kids and this is propaganda(by propaganda i mean the "documentary" you can tell by who is holding the camera it isnt hard to guess her voice but i cant recall her name) so they will teach them things in a kid friendly enviornment. I alos believe that Australian accent guy looked really wierd and should be removed from the presence of children.
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Religion absolutely corrupts the minds of innocent children. That it happens in churches does not excuse it.

Young children are impressionable, and will believe whatever is taught to them as truth. The church feeding them false information (either out of ignorance or intent) definitely corrupts their minds. Teaching them that fairy tales are true seriously dampens their critical thinking abilities.

Your ignorance is strong evidence of the accuracy of my arguments.

Are you seriously ignorant enough to believe that only 2.6% of the world accepts that evolution is real? You are seriously delusional.

Hmm so when has your oppinion ever been better than mine? Why can you corrupt childrens minds but we cant? Eww i smell hypocracy!


oh and for the statistics i showed to people earlier in another topic a long time ago! its in the reange of 2.6-16%. but when they count athiests they also put agnostics and unkown or somehting along with it!

This perfectly describes evolutionary indoctrination as well as you can plainly tell this one is still corrupted.

BTW although i dont think what these people were doing was exactly right(mostly because there are much better arguments you can teach) but you have to remember these are kids and this is propaganda(by propaganda i mean the "documentary" you can tell by who is holding the camera it isnt hard to guess her voice but i cant recall her name) so they will teach them things in a kid friendly enviornment. I alos believe that Australian accent guy looked really wierd and should be removed from the presence of children.
(I have business to attend to so enjoy my un-spell checked words.)

No one gathers young children together and force-feeds/indoctrinates them with the theory of evolution. Evolution is not even presented to children in any real context until they study biology.

Your argument fails miserably.

Yes, religion relies upon presenting it's doctrine to the young of its followers. I don't think there's many religions out there which tell their followers to instruct their children that the belief which they have based their lives around is probably wrong, and there are much better ways to think. The way in which children are conditioned at young ages (even with "good intent) is therefore a problem, as as has been said, harms that child's ability to think rationally and clearly later in life.

Youse two are merely evidence of this, using straw-man arguments against evolution (which wasn't even being discussed here) in order to prove that it's acceptable to bullshit to children, which in some cases... has long-lasting damage. An example from my own life here; my mother has told me the story of when she was given nitrous oxide at the dentists when she was a young child she went to hell. There was no doubt in her mind that she was there, in this aweful place, presumably for eternity. Why might she think this, I hear you ask? Well, she'd been educated at a nun's convent for a few years, and these women spent all day drilling such images into the minds of these impressionable young girls.

My mother isn't haunted by such images now (she's more Buddhist really now) but she was certainly indoctrinated. Another example is the recent Louis Theroux program where he goes to speak to the "God hates fags" church, who are of course - almost exclusively made up of one extended family - because they brainwash the children.

I believe it's inherently wrong to drum one message into a child's skull, and not leave them any scope to think themselves. The petty evolution vs creationism debate is evidence of this; fundamentalist Christianity's only response to theory of evolution is to start indoctrinating with ludicrous bullshit like how they can prove the world is less than 10,000 years old. This is a (minor) part of the Christian religion, and despite not being in the Bible, if it becomes a standard belief then worshippers and children alike WILL be indoctrinated by such crap.

Religion is about faith - so don't drum your crap into your kids skulls, present them with your (and other's) beliefs and let them find "the truth" by themselves. They'll be much happier people, and much more loyal to their religion, in the end.

Is it a coincidence that the part of the world (Western Europe) where we have so rigidly drummed in images of violence in the afterlife, and forced "faith" upon our Children has also been the place of some of the worse violence known to man, resulting in the deaths and suffering of millions upon millions of people. I don't believe so...

Hmm so when has your oppinion ever been better than mine? Why can you corrupt childrens minds but we cant? Eww i smell hypocracy!


oh and for the statistics i showed to people earlier in another topic a long time ago! its in the reange of 2.6-16%. but when they count athiests they also put agnostics and unkown or somehting along with it!

Actually the world number of "non religious" peoples ammounts to 16% :)

Plus...my oppinion was better than yours as soon as i based it on fact and not a myth half stolen from the Mithras tale.

No one gathers young children together and force-feeds/indoctrinates them with the theory of evolution. Evolution is not even presented to children in any real context until they study biology.

Your argument fails miserably.

They do to spoon feed these kids evolutionary bullshit its in dinosaur childrens books and in public schools(which means you HAVE TO learn it to graduate)

The only dinosaur books I *ever* read were privately bought by my family. I was never taught evolution from 1st grade through 12th...and I'm less than 110 miles out from Chicago.

The closest we ever came to being taught evolution was spontaneous mutations of RNA and DNA.

Evolution's barely even mentioned in public schools in Illinois...I heard the pledge of allegiance every fucking day until 7th grade. I've heard a teacher mention evolutionary theory TWICE my entire schooling.

That's real brainwashing...

They do to spoon feed these kids evolutionary bullshit its in dinosaur childrens books and in public schools(which means you HAVE TO learn it to graduate)

Presenting children with factual information is not feeding them bullshit. Emperical evidence proves that dinosaurs existed millions of years before man.

Teaching them that men rode on the backe of dinosaurs and that they all were vegetarians is feeding them bullshit, in tremendous quantities.

Evolution has mountains of evidence to support it. Simply because you lack the ability to understand, does not discount it's validity.

Ugh, can someone PLEASE send in ban requests for these trolls Masta Thief and SAMMY249 :mad:

You do not ban people because they are ignorant. They have the right to post their opinions, regardless how rediculous they may be. That's what totse is all about.

Presenting children with factual information is not feeding them bullshit. Emperical evidence proves that dinosaurs existed millions of years before man.

Teaching them that men rode on the backe of dinosaurs and that they all were vegetarians is feeding them bullshit, in tremendous quantities.

Evolution has mountains of evidence to support it. Simply because you lack the ability to understand, does not discount it's validity.

It is bullshit if it really isnt fact, just because you say it is dosnt make it so.

Ive never read anywhere where they said they were vegetarians but even on the discovery channel they put forth the idea the t-rex was actually a scavenger and they made really good points.

Evolution has zero facts ive looked for myself on the internets and still havent found anything.

BTW thanks for standing up for the first amendment but harold is a nazi and wants to silence as many voices as possible just as long as they arent agreeing with him so dont expect him to listen.

It is bullshit if it really isnt fact,
Evolution has zero facts ive looked for myself on the internets and still havent found anything.



You must not have looked very thoroughly...

http://preview.tinyurl.com/ypespn


Read this.
http://preview.tinyurl.com/2ckgfj

Actually the world number of "non religious" peoples ammounts to 16% :)

Plus...my oppinion was better than yours as soon as i based it on fact and not a myth half stolen from the Mithras tale.

Technically there is no evidence to PROVE evolution! or else everyone would be naturalist!!! So no its not a FACT as you would call it! Therefore yours is no better than mine you hypocritical batsard!

You must not have looked very thoroughly...

http://preview.tinyurl.com/ypespn


Read this.
http://preview.tinyurl.com/2ckgfj

You think I havent read shit like that before?

You think I havent read shit like that before?

I really do. I don't know why you wouldn't believe it otherwise.

I don't believe that Sammy249 has read any of those things before. That's because he said he couldn't find any proof of evolution on the "internets." That's fine, not all sources on the internet are reliable.

But more to the point. We shouldn't just be blatently bashing people opinions on whether or not we think they're stupid. I made that same mistake. No one's opinion here is any better than any one elses. Unless it's Masta Thief or Sammy249, then their arguements aren't opinions, they're misgiven facts.

Trying to claim that dinosaurs existed with man is ok, but the lack of actual evidence that you give (which so far has been along the lines of "god made it that way" and "athiests and other things only make up 16% of the population so therefor you're wrong") makes you sound wrong, and makes you not only disprove yourself, but help prove someone else's idea.

Stop with the bullshit posting you two, or at least try to gather information other than the same damn statistics you always pull out of your assholes, or claiming that it's ok because god did it and you're a christian. I fucking hate both of you.


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Has anyone here seen that movie Jesus Camp? Its nothing less than disturbing as these children are basically brainwashed from a young age to nonchalantly sing songs like "stone the sinner," and other delightful bible tunes.

Wo wo wo i never said any of those 2 statements plz bring up something i said that is comlpete bull shit and put it in context and stop calling me a troll when im right and you cant say shit.

To Kablisti ya those people are really crazy dont think 100% of us are like that but that being said i think that movie is propaganda.

Has anyone here seen that movie Jesus Camp? Its nothing less than disturbing as these children are basically brainwashed from a young age to nonchalantly sing songs like "stone the sinner," and other delightful bible tunes.

We teach peace not violence, we teach people morals and show them a good way to live, what is wrong with that?

On the other hand athiesm teaches them nothing, in fact it leaves them not knowing anything, unable to get along with society! Christian Judeuo values is what the west has been founded upon, so even if you believe morals is wrong your living in a world where morals forms it!!!

Why attack us? it serves no purpose, you attack people of peace and your alternative is immorality whichs consists of sex addiction, drug abuse, and the horrible treatments of others. Its basicaly no different than Satanism with out the pretend mochery and the witchcraft!

No one gathers young children together and force-feeds/indoctrinates them with the theory of evolution. Evolution is not even presented to children in any real context until they study biology.

Your argument fails miserably.

seriously owned...

No one gathers young children together and force-feeds/indoctrinates them with the theory of evolution. Evolution is not even presented to children in any real context until they study biology.

Your argument fails miserably.

Thats because the church of athieism wont be formed till 2017.

We teach peace not violence, we teach people morals and show them a good way to live, what is wrong with that?

On the other hand athiesm teaches them nothing, in fact it leaves them not knowing anything, unable to get along with society! Christian Judeuo values is what the west has been founded upon, so even if you believe morals is wrong your living in a world where morals forms it!!!

Why attack us? it serves no purpose, you attack people of peace and your alternative is immorality whichs consists of sex addiction, drug abuse, and the horrible treatments of others. Its basicaly no different than Satanism with out the pretend mochery and the witchcraft!

Personally I'm not even going to touch on your first point based off two simple points. Firstly you seem awfully deluded in thinking that for some reason this religion of yours teachers these wonderful moral values that would not be learned otherwise. Secondly, you seem oddly unaware of the many atrocities ordered and/or committed by god. I see no reason to stretch this point beyond that as any half educated person with some knowledge of the bible would more likely then not be able to cite many examples. However that is not the point I wish to argue as I have already stated.

Now for the point I am after here, you perplex me by stating that “atheism teaches them nothing” and that they would be “unable to get along with society”. What precisely is it that gives you this exceptionally misguided idea? It would seem as though someone who only believed that there was only one life, the here and now, would place a much greater value on it. For what reason would an atheist want to spend part of their life behind bars, a miserable fool, or as some kind of degenerate from society. By you so much as implying that for some reason an atheist in unable to function within society is absurd, making uneducated generalizations will not gain you any kind of ground on your already flawed arguments. Frankly it would seem to me that you simply haven’t opened your eyes to the real world about you and how atheist generally are the most understanding and intelligent people. Go figure what happens when you live a life that is not a lie founded upon mythology.

As for this blind assumption that the west was formed on Christian belief you better brush up on your history and the knowledge of your very own bill of rights. I won’t even bother wasting my time on telling you where you have mistaken the facts on the matter, but if I am not mistaken there is possibly a chicken scratch about some kind of separation between church and state.

It would not take a genius to figure out that you are clearly misguided and undereducated of other belief systems. Do you have a fear of your own dogma and life you have based it around being taken away from you? Although I guess that thought might upset you after all we couldn’t have developed from monkeys now could we? Everyone knows monkeys don’t live for millions of years.

You know I couldn’t even care to elaborate on any of this, I know it won’t make shit all difference, you will forever (unfortunately) be trapped in this belief that your mommy and daddy instilled in you. Did the minister ever touch you? Will he tell Jesus on you if you tell anybody? I can only hope the worms enjoy your corpse, after all earth to earth right?

We teach peace not violence, we teach people morals and show them a good way to live, what is wrong with that?

You teach children that faith(belief without evidence. or even worse, belief in spite of contradicting evidence) is a virtue. You seriously retard a childs critical thinking abilities by teaching them to accept without question, the validity of what they are told.

You cannot claim that morals come from your religion. You do not follow the moral teachings that your book of tales promotes. If you followed the morals in the bible you would have to stone to death your children for disobedience, and put to death anyone who does work of any kind on the sabbath.

Morality does not stem from religion.


On the other hand athiesm teaches them nothing, in fact it leaves them not knowing anything, unable to get along with society! Christian Judeuo values is what the west has been founded upon, so even if you believe morals is wrong your living in a world where morals forms it!!!

Atheism does not attempt to teach anyone anything. Atheism is simply the lack of belief in god/gods.

You are sadly mistaken if you believe that the west was founded on christian/judeuo values. Perhaps you should study American history .

Why attack us? it serves no purpose, you attack people of peace and your alternative is immorality whichs consists of sex addiction, drug abuse, and the horrible treatments of others. Its basicaly no different than Satanism with out the pretend mochery and the witchcraft!

Very few atheists attack religion (although there do exist a few militant atheists). We are simply getting fed up with the way the religious fundies are destroying the chances of the future prosperity of this country. The total rejection of logic and reason by the religious majority threatens to doom us all to relive the dark ages. We attach out of self defense.

Your ignorance appears to be without limit. Your claims that atheists are immoral sex/drug addicts who treat others horribly,etc. , are pure bullshit. You have absolutely no clue as to what you are talking about.

Educate yourself before you further display your ignorance.

I see no reason to stretch this point beyond that as any half educated person with some knowledge of the bible would more likely then not be able to cite many examples. However that is not the point I wish to argue as I have already stated.



The only reason your "half educated person with some knowledge of the bible" can come up with examples is because he is just what you said half educated and lacking any REAL knowledge of the Bible, these people ignore context and also fail to take in account other versus that elaborate more on the subjects.

"You teach children that faith(belief without evidence. or even worse, belief in spite of contradicting evidence) is a virtue. You seriously retard a childs critical thinking abilities by teaching them to accept without question, the validity of what they are told."

That is one BIG generalisation with a tad bit of assumption.

"You are sadly mistaken if you believe that the west was founded on christian/judeuo values. Perhaps you should study American history ."

O ya i forgot they got all those rules from the Book of Atheist.

"Atheism does not attempt to teach anyone anything."

I think that is EXACTLY what Thief said "On the other hand athiesm teaches them nothing,"

"We are simply getting fed up with the way the religious fundies are destroying the chances of the future prosperity of this country."

Destroying acording to you what makes you so right?

"The total rejection of logic and reason by the religious majority threatens to doom us all to relive the dark ages."

Wow talk about spouting bullshit backed by nothing but a "truckfixr"

"Your ignorance appears to be without limit."

Your not-knowingness seems to be with no stopping point.

"Educate yourself before you further display your ignorance."

I will when you offer me a challenge but at the moment maybe you should turn this criticism toward yourself.

BTW i know you wasnt talking to me but i just couldnt stand sitting by while you just spit out bullshit after bullshit.

No one's opinion here is any better than any one elses.


Actually, you're wrong. Any opinion that's based on fact is intrinsically better than an opinion based on wayward emotion or hearsay.

An opinion unsupported by facts is like a roof without walls.

"You teach children that faith(belief without evidence. or even worse, belief in spite of contradicting evidence) is a virtue. You seriously retard a childs critical thinking abilities by teaching them to accept without question, the validity of what they are told."

That is one BIG generalisation with a tad bit of assumption.

Nonsense. Being a christian requires unquestioning faith. To say otherwise id ludicrous and an outright lie. Christianity teaches children that unquestioning faith is a virtue. No generalization. No assumption.

"You are sadly mistaken if you believe that the west was founded on christian values. Perhaps you should study American history ."

O ya i forgot they got all those rules from the Book of Atheist.

The majority of the founding fathers of this country were not christians. They went to great pains to ensure that this country would not become a theocracy. As I previously stated: Study American history.


"Atheism does not attempt to teach anyone anything."

I think that is EXACTLY what Thief said "On the other hand athiesm teaches them nothing,"

Atheism, in and of itself, cannot teach anything. Atheism is the lack of belief in god/gods. It is not a philosophy or a religion.

Not believing in fairy tales and having a firm grasp of reality is conducive to critical thinking.

"We are simply getting fed up with the way the religious fundies are destroying the chances of the future prosperity of this country."

Destroying acording to you what makes you so right?

The religious right fight tooth and nail against any and all scientific advances which could possibly cast a shadow of doubt as to the literal interpretation of the bible. Children are taught to rely on 2000 year old book of mythology rather than to seek knowledge.

"The total rejection of logic and reason by the religious majority threatens to doom us all to relive the dark ages."

Wow talk about spouting bullshit backed by nothing but a "truckfixr"

In what way does my user name diminish my argument? You need to try harder.When you cannot form a coherent argument all you have left in your arsenal are personal attacks.

Logic and reason must be abandoned in order to believe in an invisible, omniscient, omnibenevolent, and omnipotent being, who cannot be observed in any physical way and who's very existance must be accepted by faith alone.


"Educate yourself before you further display your ignorance."

I will when you offer me a challenge but at the moment maybe you should turn this criticism toward yourself.

I do not base my opinions on assumptions. I base them on personal experience and observation. I have been exposed to many variations of the Christian religion for more years than you have probably been alive. I am far from being ignorant of the christian religion, or of it's teachings.

BTW i know you wasnt talking to me but i just couldnt stand sitting by while you just spit out bullshit after bullshit.

Perhaps next time you should construct valid arguments before you type.

Again....people shouldnt reply in these threads is MT or sammy come in....all the evidence in the world couldnt change their minds.

Okay...lets weigh it up.....a book of fairtales versus thousands and thousands of tried and tested research papers.......i wonder which is the real one! woooooooooooooo thats a toughie!

Hypocritical is saying that you preach peace when your book of fairytales clearly preaches segregation and hate in some parts.

"Nonsense. Being a christian requires unquestioning faith. To say otherwise id ludicrous and an outright lie. Christianity teaches children that unquectioning faith is a virtue. No generalization. No assumption."

Wow again you make a completely bullshit claim.Maybe you should actually read the Bible it tells you to do the opposite.

"The founding fathers of this country were not christians. They went to great pains to ensure that this country would not become a theocracy. As I previously stated: Study American history."

I never said they were christians and i havent seen these "great pains" you speak of.

"The religious right fight tooth and nail against any and all scientific advances which could possibly cast a shadow of doubt as to the literal interpretation of the bible. Children are taught to rely on 2000 year old book of mythology rather than to seek knowledge."

Please go on about these "scientific advances" again the Bible says to seek knowledge as well.

"Atheism, in and of itself, cannot teach anything. Atheism is the lack of belief in god/gods. It is not a philosophy or a religion.

Not believing in fairy tales and having a firm grasp of reality is conducive to critical thinking."

Again i said exactly that(about atheist not teaching anything). Who are you to call them fairy tales, oh i forgot you came into this argument as the person who was right. :rolleyes:

"Logic and reason must be abandoned in order to believe in an omniscient, omnibenevolent, and omnipotent being."

Seriously stop posting complete nonsense.

"I do not base my opinions on assumptions. I base them on personal experience and observation. I have been exposed to many variations of the Christian religion for more years than you have probably been alive. I am far from being ignorant of the christian religion, or of it's teachings."

Part one: I base my opinions on personal experience as well.Part two: I am not going to argue about you encounters with other christians but you fail to take into account we are not just talking about the "christian religeon"

"Perhaps next time you should construct valid arguments before you type."

Your turn.

Again....people shouldnt reply in these threads is MT or sammy come in....all the evidence in the world couldnt change their minds.

Okay...lets weigh it up.....a book of fairtales versus thousands and thousands of tried and tested research papers.......i wonder which is the real one! woooooooooooooo thats a toughie!

Hypocritical is saying that you preach peace when your book of fairytales clearly preaches segregation and hate in some parts.

Its funny that you call them "facts" :D how cute.

Nice taking the Bible out of context again but dont worry some idiot will fall for it and use it again.

Its funny that you call them "facts" :D how cute.

Nice taking the Bible out of context again but dont worry some idiot will fall for it and use it again.

What else would he call facts? Makes much more sense than believing in an old book full of old stories that can be taken "out of context" whenever it suits. And even more sense than blindly believing everything a person tells you.

So there is nothing in the bible about segregation and hate? Gee, my bible must be way out of date then....lol... I know you god botherers pick and choose what to follow in the bible, but I had no idea you had a new version with all the old stuff taken out!

Well...the entire bible is out of context because it is all old jewish folklore and ideas stolen from Mithras.......way to go believing in everything OTHER than what you think you do!

Facts:

1. something that actually exists; reality; truth: Your fears have no basis in fact.
2. something known to exist or to have happened: Space travel is now a fact.
3. a truth known by actual experience or observation; something known to be true: Scientists gather facts about plant growth.

Now......i dont believe Religion has any of those does it now?

Scientists can observe, test and try out theories and come to a conclusion that is then agreed upon and becomes fact, however, the bible is a book full of myths and fairytales....so i dont see how you have ANY credibility.

Im sorry Sammy :( youre just a huge joke to me, im sorry to say it i really am.

"Nonsense. Being a christian requires unquestioning faith. To say otherwise id ludicrous and an outright lie. Christianity teaches children that unquectioning faith is a virtue. No generalization. No assumption."

Wow again you make a completely bullshit claim.Maybe you should actually read the Bible it tells you to do the opposite.

Since you are obviously an expert on the subject, pray tell where exactly it is written in the bible that you should not believe in god unless you are presented with evidence of his existance?


"The founding fathers of this country were not christians. They went to great pains to ensure that this country would not become a theocracy. As I previously stated: Study American history."

I never said they were christians and i havent seen these "great pains" you speak of.


So by this:" O ya i forgot they got all those rules from the Book of Atheist." you weren't implying that this country was founded on christian morals? Bullshit.

As far as their taking great pains, you already have your answer: Study American history.

"The religious right fight tooth and nail against any and all scientific advances which could possibly cast a shadow of doubt as to the literal interpretation of the bible. Children are taught to rely on 2000 year old book of mythology rather than to seek knowledge."

Please go on about these "scientific advances" again the Bible says to seek knowledge as well.

Again since you are the biblical scholar: please show where the bible tells anyone to seek knowledge or truth, without it saying at the same time (in some form or fashion)that the truth is found only through god?

"Atheism, in and of itself, cannot teach anything. Atheism is the lack of belief in god/gods. It is not a philosophy or a religion.

Not believing in fairy tales and having a firm grasp of reality is conducive to critical thinking."

Again i said exactly that(about atheist not teaching anything). Who are you to call them fairy tales, oh i forgot you came into this argument as the person who was right. :rolleyes:

Ok , you got me. I admit that there were no faeries involved. The more accurate term would be "mythology".
A six day creation? A world wide flood? Parting the red sea? Rivers turned to blood? Any sane individual understands that these are the stuff of mythology.

"Logic and reason must be abandoned in order to believe in an omniscient, omnibenevolent, and omnipotent being."

Seriously stop posting complete nonsense.

Refute the claim. Demonstrate how it is logical to believe in such a being, or kindly remain silent.

"I do not base my opinions on assumptions. I base them on personal experience and observation. I have been exposed to many variations of the Christian religion for more years than you have probably been alive. I am far from being ignorant of the christian religion, or of it's teachings."

Part one: I base my opinions on personal experience as well.Part two: I am not going to argue about you encounters with other christians but you fail to take into account we are not just talking about the "christian religeon"

Sorry , but we are talking about the christian religion. I guess you didn't watch the video that the OP linked to at the beginning of this thread.

You have two research papers on your desk. They are conflicting with each other. One of them cites sources, provides facts, evidence and data. The other one is based on a "what if" scenario, which technically could be possible, but is in conflict with all the evidence presented in paper#1. You have to make a decision to publish one of them. So tell me, Sammy, which one would YOU chose?

"Since you are obviously an expert on the subject, pray tell where exactly it is written in the bible that you should not believe in god unless you are presented with evidence of his existance?"

Paul tells people to go and study everything then come back and make a decision about God(if im not mistaken). This also answers a later question so dont get mad when i skip it i am in a little hurry and i cant exactly pull out passeges from my ass you are just gunna have to trust thats what it say.

"you weren't implying that this country was founded on christian morals?"

No i was just trying to be cute when i said that my point was it was not founded on doctrines that many atheists hold true to.

"Study American history."

I want you opinions on why they took great pains so you tell me the history.

"Any sane individual understands that these are the stuff of mythology."

Have you ever considered that these "mythologys" copied from the torah(ya im pretty sure it wasnt completed but you know what i mean) the only reason you say they copied from that is because no one (that ive heard of i was going to make a thread asking someone to post a link to where they still practice the worshipof gods like zeus) practices those kinds of religeon anymore and if you say they copied from it no one will switch to that religeon.(for lack of better words im in a hurry)

"Demonstrate how it is logical to believe in such a being, or kindly remain silent."

Demonstrate how it is illogical please.

"Sorry , but we are talking about the christian religion. I guess you didn't watch the video that the OP linked to at the beginning of this thread."

The "christian religeon" can sometimes be thought of as most New Testament and some Old Testemant (Jewish religeon)

To the other people religeon dosnt have to be based on facts it is FAITH how many times do people have to tell you.

"Since you are obviously an expert on the subject, pray tell where exactly it is written in the bible that you should not believe in god unless you are presented with evidence of his existance?"

Paul tells people to go and study everything then come back and make a decision about God(if im not mistaken). This also answers a later question so dont get mad when i skip it i am in a little hurry and i cant exactly pull out passeges from my ass you are just gunna have to trust thats what it say.

No, I have no reason to trust what you say. Provide the scripture.

"you weren't implying that this country was founded on christian morals?"

No i was just trying to be cute when i said that my point was it was not founded on doctrines that many atheists hold true to.

If that was your intention, you failed miserably.

"Study American history."

I want you opinions on why they took great pains so you tell me the history.

One of the main reasons the founding fathers came to this country was to be able to worship/not worship as they choose. I suppose you have never heard of the 1st ammendment? Why , do you suppose, it was written?

I say again: Study American history.

"Any sane individual understands that these are the stuff of mythology."

Have you ever considered that these "mythologys" copied from the torah(ya im pretty sure it wasnt completed but you know what i mean) the only reason you say they copied from that is because no one (that ive heard of i was going to make a thread asking someone to post a link to where they still practice the worshipof gods like zeus) practices those kinds of religeon anymore and if you say they copied from it no one will switch to that religeon.(for lack of better words im in a hurry)

I never said that christianity borrowed from other religions, although it is obviously the case.

I simply pointed out that the bible stories are the stuff of myth, as are the stories of zeus, apollo, etc.

"Demonstrate how it is logical to believe in such a being, or kindly remain silent."

Demonstrate how it is illogical please.

Do you believe in the flying spaghetti monster? The celestial teapot?Of course you do not. Why do you not believe in either of them? Because you understand that it is illogical to believe in them as their existance cannot be proven in any way.

The same goes for god/gods.

Now. You show how it is logical to believe.

"Sorry , but we are talking about the christian religion. I guess you didn't watch the video that the OP linked to at the beginning of this thread."

The "christian religeon" can sometimes be thought of as most New Testament and some Old Testemant (Jewish religeon)

To the other people religeon dosnt have to be based on facts it is FAITH how many times do people have to tell you.

You just proved my argument concerning faith.

"To the other people religeon dosnt have to be based on facts it is FAITH how many times do people have to tell you."

Just because you believe something does not automatically make it true. How many times do we have to tell YOU that?

Just because you believe something does not automatically make it true. How many times do we have to tell YOU that?

NO WAI ARE YOU SERIOUSLY TELLING ME JUST BECAUSE I BELIEVE TACO BELL IS THE BEST FAST FOOD PLACE THAT DOSNT MAKE IT TRUE!?!?!?!?!?!

"Provide the scripture."

Just because i dont remeber where it came from dosnt mean it dosnt exist it was posted not too long ago.

The First Amendment with the right spin can say anything.

"I never said that christianity borrowed from other religions, although it is obviously the case.

I simply pointed out that the bible stories are the stuff of myth, as are the stories of zeus, apollo, etc."

I take it you are good at dodgeball.

"Do you believe in the flying spaghetti monster? The celestial teapot?Of course you do not. Why do you not believe in either of them? Because you understand that it is illogical to believe in them as their existance cannot be proven in any way."

No because it is satiracle bullshit formulated to give you a faulty argument.

"Provide the scripture."

Just because i dont remeber where it came from dosnt mean it dosnt exist it was posted not too long ago.

Obviously you don't know as much about the bible as you claim. Jusy saying that the bible says it is not a valid argument. You fail.

The First Amendment with the right spin can say anything.

Which part of the phrase "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof is too complicated for you to understand?
You fail again.

"Do you believe in the flying spaghetti monster? The celestial teapot?Of course you do not. Why do you not believe in either of them? Because you understand that it is illogical to believe in them as their existance cannot be proven in any way."

No because it is satiracle bullshit formulated to give you a faulty argument.

No. They both show that it is illogical to believe in things simply because they cannot be disproven.

You fail, yet again.

I had hoped that you might actually have more to support your position than baseless assertions and sarcastic comments. I was obviously mistaken.

I will no longer waste my time with you.

"Obviously you don't know as much about the bible as you claim. Jusy saying that the bible says it is not a valid argument. You fail."

Well even if i posted the verse it wouldnt make a difference.

"Which part of the phrase "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof is too complicated for you to understand?
You fail again."

Like I said it can say anything if you twist it enough.

"No. They both show that it is illogical to believe in things simply because they cannot be disproven.

You fail, yet again. "

Oh thank you for telling me why i believe in God this changes EVERYTHING.

"I had hoped that you might actually have more to support your position than baseless assertions"

Shit me to.

"I will no longer waste my time with you."

Good im feed up with your bullshit.

Everyone believes their views are in some way correct or at least better than the alternatives, or else they wouldn't hold them. The large majority of people wish to take steps to ensure their views are propagated through society. Obviously people who see other views being spread will generally consider it an outrage, as they see these views as false.

'But', you say, 'my beliefs are true, look at all this evidence.'

Everyone can provide evidence for anything. Everyone believes their evidence is true, and the evidence for other views is flawed.

Maybe you say that you have a system that decides what is evidence from what isn't. But everyone has these systems.

So, how do you know you are right? How do you know that your views are the ones that should be spread? Or that other views should not be spread? Even more importantly, what is it that makes spreading the truth better than spreading non-truth?

"Obviously you don't know as much about the bible as you claim. Jusy saying that the bible says it is not a valid argument. You fail."

Well even if i posted the verse it wouldnt make a difference.

Come on - post it. Surprise us.