In my opinion, I think he is already here on earth, and that shit is going to head south very soon. I think he's come as a man again, but his birth and life was/is low profile. I have a few reasons to believe this, mainly that wars, the weather, disease explosions, etc... seem to be right on target with the end times prophecies. I also believe that he won't be what everyone is expecting, and that he'll be so different that only a few will see him for who he truly is. I think he'll do a lot of things that most Christians won't like, like condemning the Church for corrupting the word. Do you think he is here, and how do you think he will be recieved by the masses? Do you think you will be able to accept him, or will you deny who he is?

I've always wondered if people will believe him, simply because people are very skeptical these days, and crazy people claim they are Jesus all the time.

The Messiah will perform miracles and foretell the future, as well as all of the things you mentioned. ;)

Look for someone who is gaining his fame (and notoriety) through healing and political activism. Keep your eyes on the Anarchist Communist community--there's a lot of spirit there, meaning that chances are, your Messiah is gonna come out of that group. ^_^

In my opinion/[B], [B]I think he is already here on earth, and that shit is going to head south very soon. I think he's come as a man again, but his birth and life was/is low profile. I have a few reasons to believe this, mainly that wars, the weather, disease explosions, etc... seem to be right on target with the end times prophecies. I also believe that he won't be what everyone is expecting, and that he'll be so different that only a few will see him for who he truly is. I think he'll do a lot of things that most Christians won't like, like condemning the Church for corrupting the word. Do you think he is here, and how do you think he will be recieved by the masses? Do you think you will be able to accept him, or will you deny who he is?

I've always wondered if people will believe him, simply because people are very skeptical these days, and crazy people claim they are Jesus all the time.

You have no "reasons" to "believe" in that. The wars are completely minute and mild compared to the past. The weather is fine, nothing is going haywire. Disease is falling, aids is becoming controlled. What explosions?

You just watch the media too much

In my opinion, I think he is already here on earth, and that shit is going to head south very soon. I think he's come as a man again, but his birth and life was/is low profile. I have a few reasons to believe this, mainly that wars, the weather, disease explosions, etc... seem to be right on target with the end times prophecies. I also believe that he won't be what everyone is expecting, and that he'll be so different that only a few will see him for who he truly is. I think he'll do a lot of things that most Christians won't like, like condemning the Church for corrupting the word. Do you think he is here, and how do you think he will be recieved by the masses? Do you think you will be able to accept him, or will you deny who he is?

I've always wondered if people will believe him, simply because people are very skeptical these days, and crazy people claim they are Jesus all the time.

ok that was great and all but why the fuck would he condenm the only people that believe in him??? thats just retarded!

ok that was great and all but why the fuck would he condenm the only people that believe in him??? thats just retarded!

God works in mysterious ways.

Glad I get to use this motherfucker for once.

You have no "reasons" to "believe" in that. The wars are completely minute and mild compared to the past. The weather is fine, nothing is going haywire. Disease is falling, aids is becoming controlled. What explosions?

You just watch the media too much

Minute and mild they may be now, but they are becoming festering and volatile. Shit, the entire planet is functioning on the priciples of a mexican stand-off. Someone will flinch and things will escalate very quickly. Current tentions resemble much of what precursed WWII. Keep in mind that the global population is increasing while resources are depleting, and will fall short within 50 years. Resource wars are inevitable, and usually don't start once things get really bad, but when people get nervous and scared.

Aids isn't controlled, it's a pandemic in Africa. Cancer rates are also increasing constantly and were on the verge of a flu pandemic. Can't hold it forever.

Another indication is that we've established an electronic currency system, which is going to fail within the decade do to currupt banking practices. This should mess with the US economy especially, which will have a domino affect that will damage everyone's economy, leaving people jobless and without hope for any kind of a short term fix.

I actually don't follow too much media, and I'm very critical of the stuff I do hear. We actually get sheltered from most of what is happening in other parts of the world. A good third of the world lives in fear under opressing regimes run by warlords, and people think things are improving, lol.

Masta Thief- You might believe that God exists, but how can you be sure that Christians really live how God intended. Was Jesus teaching a life philosophy, or rules for life. If you understand Jesus' philosophy, there is no need for rules. Jesus never actually told anyone to right down a rule book, but only preached good will and forgiveness. The thing about good will is that when it's applied, no set rules can be made for it's application. Sometimes good will means stealing from the greedy and feeding the poor, but this would break a commandment. Good will is subjective, therefore the all-knowing Christ would not create rules that could undermine the key philosophy he teaches. The Bible and the Church are constructs of men, not God. Men wrote the bible, men created the church. Divine inspiration or not, men are foulable a therefore so is Christianity from it's conception. If you can't see the probability of corruption of the Bible and the Church, you are a blind man. This is why modern day application of the bible, even applications of the past have led to hatred, mass murder, and division. Why would God give us a book that could lead us against Jesus' philosophy towards evil acts? God = philosophy for Peace, Satan = corrupts rules leading to evil acts.

Lucky for Christians, they aren't immediately condemned for following the Bible, they will have their chance to live by the philosophy and not by the rules. Those who choose the rules, will go down with their church. However, those who reject the Bible yet still live by Jesus' philosophy, will be raptured.

Here's a theoretical Question.

How would your responces differ I was Christ? ( I'm not) Especially you Masta Thief. Would you give up your beloved bible to follow a Christ who told you that it's corrupt?

Minute and mild they may be now, but they are becoming festering and volatile. Shit, the entire planet is functioning on the priciples of a mexican stand-off. Someone will flinch and things will escalate very quickly. Current tentions resemble much of what precursed WWII. Keep in mind that the global population is increasing while resources are depleting, and will fall short within 50 years. Resource wars are inevitable, and usually don't start once things get really bad, but when people get nervous and scared.

Aids isn't controlled, it's a pandemic in Africa. Cancer rates are also increasing constantly and were on the verge of a flu pandemic. Can't hold it forever.

Another indication is that we've established an electronic currency system, which is going to fail within the decade do to currupt banking practices. This should mess with the US economy especially, which will have a domino affect that will damage everyone's economy, leaving people jobless and without hope for any kind of a short term fix.

I actually don't follow too much media, and I'm very critical of the stuff I do hear. We actually get sheltered from most of what is happening in other parts of the world. A good third of the world lives in fear under opressing regimes run by warlords, and people think things are improving, lol.

Masta Thief- You might believe that God exists, but how can you be sure that Christians really live how God intended. Was Jesus teaching a life philosophy, or rules for life. If you understand Jesus' philosophy, there is no need for rules. Jesus never actually told anyone to right down a rule book, but only preached good will and forgiveness. The thing about good will is that when it's applied, no set rules can be made for it's application. Sometimes good will means stealing from the greedy and feeding the poor, but this would break a commandment. Good will is subjective, therefore the all-knowing Christ would not create rules that could undermine the key philosophy he teaches. The Bible and the Church are constructs of men, not God. Men wrote the bible, men created the church. Divine inspiration or not, men are foulable a therefore so is Christianity from it's conception. If you can't see the probability of corruption of the Bible and the Church, you are a blind man. This is why modern day application of the bible, even applications of the past have led to hatred, mass murder, and division. Why would God give us a book that could lead us against Jesus' philosophy towards evil acts? God = philosophy for Peace, Satan = corrupts rules leading to evil acts.

Lucky for Christians, they aren't immediately condemned for following the Bible, they will have their chance to live by the philosophy and not by the rules. Those who choose the rules, will go down with their church. However, those who reject the Bible yet still live by Jesus' philosophy, will be raptured.

I think we have got it right! God guides the world it just seems right that he would straighten us out! but thats just a thought!

Mathew 10:34 look it up!!! wiki does a horrible job of bieng bias i know but why he said this is meaning to that is what man will do over Jesus! the ones who follow will always be divided from the rest because the rest will always try and kill us(metaphoricly)

Here's a theoretical Question.

How would your responces differ I was Christ? ( I'm not) Especially you Masta Thief. Would you give up your beloved bible to follow a Christ who told you that it's corrupt?

I for one would believe you if theoretically were Christ and said that the bible is wrong. Why? Well it wasn't written by Jesus so of course there is wrong information in it. I also personally think that Christ was a pretty bitchin guy but, his disciples got him all wrong with the son of god stuff and eternal salvation.

I think we have got it right! God guides the world it just seems right that he would straighten us out! but thats just a thought!

Mathew 10:34 look it up!!! wiki does a horrible job of bieng bias i know but why he said this is meaning to that is what man will do over Jesus! the ones who follow will always be divided from the rest because the rest will always try and kill us(metaphoricly)

I pitty the man who cites the words of men and claims them as God's.

I pitty the man who cites the words of men and claims them as God's.

you didnt look up mathew 10:34 did you?

^

"But the very hairs of your head are all numbered" ???

he is not here right now, but all the wars you see and even the united states is predicted in the bible. i dont read much of it so i dont know where to point you too but your right about the weather, it is changing and acting odd..your paying good attention to the signs but Jesus is not back yet. it will be about 5-10 years.

That would be Revelations mainly...

None of it fucking means anything unless you have faith, which doesn't mean anything at all unless you have it and at that point it doesn't really matter except for everything.

Basically, if you don't believe in God, the New Testament is a bunch of psychedelic induced prophecies and retellings of ancient wisdom and knowledge. Everything that is "going to happen" in Revelations has already happened several times, that's why they knew.

Of course, when you have faith in God, this all takes on a very different meaning. Everything is a direct message to you, from God, to you, God. Everything in the Bible is true, but then again everything everywhere is true.

To the clean, everything is clean.

Truly, through Christ there can be no sin. Only love & faith & hope.

it's not fucking christ or god, or the fucking prophets the prophecized the end of the world jackasses. time did. and once you see fully that TIME is the true creator and master of the universe... you'll understand that it doesn't matter if you go to heaven or hell. because time may be eternal, but every entity of the universe (an entity of time all upon itself) will eventually burn out and we will have a blank... seemingly apocalyptically empty universe. and truly all that has happened is the time has died, much in the same way an old man does on a respirator in a hospital. slow and sputteringly, his lungs just stop absorbing o2 and he is flatlined. and yeah i'm stoned xD but the lungs and its breath are the fluctuations of time... the length, the longevity of the universe itself is held within each breathe of our lungs, and our heart beats. the only fucking god on this world is you, yourself. and the reason you govern you is because YOU do what you WANT to do... i.e. nothing controls you or governs/punishes you but you. and time is your capital, so don't spend it all too quick 'cause you'll end up regretting it...

None of it fucking means anything unless you have faith, which doesn't mean anything at all unless you have it and at that point it doesn't really matter except for everything.

Basically, if you don't believe in God, the New Testament is a bunch of psychedelic induced prophecies and retellings of ancient wisdom and knowledge. Everything that is "going to happen" in Revelations has already happened several times, that's why they knew.

Of course, when you have faith in God, this all takes on a very different meaning. Everything is a direct message to you, from God, to you, God. Everything in the Bible is true, but then again everything everywhere is true.

To the clean, everything is clean.

Truly, through Christ there can be no sin. Only love & faith & hope.

so if i killed you it would be out of hope that god didn't exist? xDD but then if i had faith and love in god i would still go to heaven and you might not? or you would regarding my acceptance into heaven? for if i killed you, my life will automatically be worse than yours? i'm not sure how heaven is ranked. i don't like the idea of heaven, nor do i like one of hell. i just think they're both equally perposterous.

so if i killed you it would be out of hope that god didn't exist? xDD but then if i had faith and love in god i would still go to heaven and you might not? or you would regarding my acceptance into heaven? for if i killed you, my life will automatically be worse than yours? i'm not sure how heaven is ranked. i don't like the idea of heaven, nor do i like one of hell. i just think they're both equally perposterous.

What the hell?

Dude, look, it's not about some fit rules where the square peg goes into the square hole

It's about the SPIRIT of things, and when you understand the spirit it's all clear

If you HAD love, faith, and hope, you most likely wouldn't kill me. But if you somehow DID manage to kill me with all those three things in mine, I don't see how you could be in the wrong.

and heaven isn't "ranked", you're either in the kingdom of god or you're not.

easeoflife22, you just want to think that your period of life is special. Thats the point in God, right? To make you feel special. Well geuss, there isn' anythign special about right now. 50years ago people thought Jesus was coming back, 100 years ago, 200 years ago. Everyone wants to belive that they'll be alive for the bigest event in the history of time. Geuss what? Its not going to happen, stop thinking your special.

No, Christ is not here now. The Bible says he will come back after the tribulation (7 years the anti-christ is in power), and will come back the same way he left (on a cloud).

If you claimed to be Christ and said the Bible was false, that itself would prove to every Christian that you were not. God inspired the Bible, he would not give misinformation.

Jesus never told us to put down a rule book? Jesus is God, He is part of the trinity. God (Jesus, God the Father, Holy Spirit) told moses to write the 10 commandments, if thats not saying to put down a rule book I don't know what is.

Jesus agreed with the law (10 commandments), because he said "I come not to abolish the law, but to fulfill it."

what about me already having the clarity of the spirit, but the malevolance of a 'fallen angel' ?? what would that make me? lol...

No, Christ is not here now. The Bible says he will come back after the tribulation (7 years the anti-christ is in power), and will come back the same way he left (on a cloud).

If you claimed to be Christ and said the Bible was false, that itself would prove to every Christian that you were not. God inspired the Bible, he would not give misinformation.


Then again, the Antichrist might be Dubya. The tribulation could be some Dubya-esque fumble. Whatever. They were all on drugs anyway. The Bible is a bit of a trip report. Then again, I haven't read it, only ingested portions of it, so I don't really know.

'God' is playing finger puppets, it all happens as it's meant to happen. Everything is perfectly balanced. This world is just one particular way of looking at balance. Time kinda messes things up though. You'll figure it out in the end.

The beginning of the 7 years will be symbolized by the signing of a treaty between Jews and Arabs.

Then again, the Antichrist might be Dubya. The tribulation could be some Dubya-esque fumble. Whatever. They were all on drugs anyway. The Bible is a bit of a trip report. Then again, I haven't read it, only ingested portions of it, so I don't really know.

'God' is playing finger puppets, it all happens as it's meant to happen. Everything is perfectly balanced. This world is just one particular way of looking at balance. Time kinda messes things up though. You'll figure it out in the end.

20 bucks says the right charismatic bastard could pull it off. easy. most* christians are gullible fucking tools.

there now you can't bitch me out, and i didn't even have to edit it. (proof christians aren't the only 'perfect' individuals) not saying that they are... they just have that complex about them since jesus is supposed to be their messiah, their rolemodel or something.

Yeah, anyone could be Antichrist, and anyone could be Christ. According to The Bible, they'll be rocking up any day now.. I'm guessing it has some correlation with the 21st of December, 2012. According to the Mayans or whoever it was, 2012 will be the end of it all.

Should be fun anyway.

I think, if Jesus was born again, here on Earth, he would be ridicouled, looked at as a madman and probably be locked up in some insane asylum.

I think, if Jesus was born again, here on Earth, he would be ridicouled, looked at as a madman and probably be locked up in some insane asylum.

Then again was Jesus going round saying 'I'M JESUS, MAN!' 2000 years ago? Not really. He was just walking round with his crew going 'pass the joint, dude'.

nah dude you got it all wrong. they were all sittin' in circles sayin' "pass the pot, pastor" because back in those days before fire on demand, we had pots full of hashish oil to dip your hands in to get crunkKtiked.. much more.. efficient than todays methods... rofl

If a wood chuck could chuck wood, would a wood chuck chuck norris?

Well, this thread went to shit quickly.

All likelyhood points towards Dubya being the Antichrist, but as the dude on MSN said, we won't know until it's too late. Who really cares to speculate anyway... According to the Bible, stuff will go down and shit will happen, and that'll be the end of that chapter.

I have read, and accept as true, that the time for gurus, messiahs, and such is past, gone with the end of the Age of Pisces. The problems of the world have become so intractable that we must act en masse in oder to save the planet from us. And don't ask God to help. It is his job to create and love--not to clean up the messes that we made. He/she/it/them/whatever gave us free will--and to do anything to clean up our act for us, to compel us the behave kindly and responsibly and such would be to make us as slaves.

Take something a simple as airing up the tires on our cars. If we ALL kept our tires slightly over-inlfated, we would save 'way more gas than could be produced if the entire corn crop would be converted to biofuel.

Take any social ill you can name--hunger, for instance. The world's goverments spend about a trillion bucks a year to kill other people--excuse, me, I mean for "national defense." If we would ALL agree that war is not necessary, that trillion bucks would feed every hungry person on the planet.

Getting back to topic, I have no opinion on the issue of whether or not he reincarnated. I would point out that, assuming he was quoted accurately, he once said that he was neither special nor essential. ("All these things that I have done, shall ye do also--yea, all these things and more.")

You guys do realize that according to the bible the antichrist is suppossed to come before Jesus is ressurected?Therefore, lots of plagues, wars, famine, death and such. Yes, even we in highly developed countries will feel it heavily. And that when jesus does come all the pure souls go straight to heaven? But hey, not like that will stop people from making random assumptions.

Christ is dead and has been dead for over 2000 years. Get over it, God isn't real.

[QUOTE=Snoogins;8175610]Christ is dead and has been dead for over 2000 years. Get over it, God isn't real.[/b]

i for one agree. and would like to point out that the world isn't nearly bad enough yet for christ to return. so all you hopeful christians better not be holding your breath. i mean i for one would LOVE it if you did xD but heeey

[QUOTE=Snoogins;8175610]Christ is dead and has been dead for over 2000 years. Get over it, God isn't real.[/b]

i for one agree. and would like to point out that the world isn't nearly bad enough yet for christ to return. so all you hopeful christians better not be holding your breath. i mean i for one would LOVE it if you did xD but heeey

Who cares if Christ doesn't come back? It's not all about religion. We're fucked no matter what. Global warming, blah blah. It doesn't matter how you interpret. It doesn't matter. There's no such place.

although he admits he was mixed up and there was a different message in what he says he was told, there was a man named David Icke who was a BBC sports anouncer who one day
claimed he was the son of god, ofcourse he was laughed at and ridiculed but one day when he was on a talk show he said a very thought pravoking thing, he said thousands of years ago a man said the exact same thing and was ridaculed, people now believe it to be true but we havent come very far in that time

so maybe your right and there is another christ on earth but he will need to be killed and brought back to life again for anyone to believe it

I have a few reasons to believe this, mainly that wars, the weather, disease explosions, etc... seem to be right on target with the end times prophecies.

I've always wondered if people will believe him, simply because people are very skeptical these days, and crazy people claim they are Jesus all the time.


People have been predicting the 'end times' for centuries because the signs you described are so broad and unspecific. The weather, wars, disease, explosions etc. have been going on throughout the ages.

There has been plenty of violent wars (crusades), deadly diseases (bubonic plague) and explosions, bad weather in the past and people predicted Jesus to return soon but he never did! What makes you think he will now?? All the 'signs' may be there but they are so broad they can be easily applied to the world as it is today.

And how do you plan on telling apart the crazy people and con artists who claim they are Jesus from the actual Jesus when he comes, how will you be able to tell?

Yeah Rizzo and AM. Nicely said.

I wouldn't go too much off of what the Bible says, since the gospels that were used for it were selected by a committee. Anything that didn't line up with their fantastic saviour story, was burried and left out. The New testament is corrupt. When Jesus came to earth, he also denounced the first testament and rectified many aspects of the religion with his teachings, but they were never directly recorded. Instead the stories were passed down and eventually recorded hundreds of years later. Then Constantine and an assembly of wise men picked and chose gospels to form Christianity to stop a civil war between Christians and pagans in the Roman Empire. Constantine was a terrible man, and was posessed by the desire of power, control, and greed. You'd have to be stupid to not think this man wouldn't sqeaue the truth. The Bible must be taken with a grain of salt. Some of it is true, some of it isn't. Anything inconsistent with the way Jesus lived, is most likely false.

The thing to remember is that Christians and Atheists are both right about God. God does exist, but he is not a being. The universe is nothing more than a energy balancing system limited only by Energy's mathematic impossibilities. Knowing this, the Universe will naturally create all possibilities that are possible, even beings who are aligned with it enough to understand it, and be one with it's workings. One example was Jesus. It's actually mathematically predictable that such wise men will exist. A person with the potential of Christ is not always present though. This would take a very specific set of genes that few would posess. Certain aspects of Genius would have to condense into one being for this too happen, but mathematics says that we're due for a Second Christ.

Right at this moment, the Earths population is cresting. It will never be higher than it is right now. Essentially, this means that every soul is on Earth right now. Including Christ. It's actually quite likely that he is here right now, as one of us, observing everything that he sees, learning to understand mans ultimately disasterous faults. An Anti-Christ is also on earth right now. The Anti-Christ is very similar to Christ, has very much of the same abilities, except he looks for peace in different way than that of Christ. Usually he'll use hatred to garner support for his plans, such as Hitler. The Bad weather, plagues, disease, famine, and ultimately war, are all results of over-population. We've actually set ourselves up for ultimate doom. Everything is in place, and it won't be long before something fails and the War will begin.

Now if you read the New Testament, they left one section alone, which is Revelations. Read it very closely and you'll find that the Truth is left in a Riddle. It actually doens't say much about Christ. One thing it does say, is that he'll come like a Good Theif in the Night. This means he will come and walk amongst the people, selecting those to be raptured. Later after the Tribulation, he will return upon a cloud in all his Glory. The important part is that he comes before everything gets bad, and like a good theif, he could be here a long time without anyone noticing.

When it talks about the Anti-Christ, remember that he is the one who will appear to be Christ. In the Bible, it tells of Christ taking control, claiming his thrown and making all others servants of his divinity, which means that this is the route of the Anit-Christ, and Christ shall do the opposite of him, and instead bring about peace without rule. Christ is going to assentially be what nobody ever expected. That's the beauty of it, only the truly worthy will see him for who he is.

good thread. Society has changed so much from the last time, we can easily surmise that christs second coming will dramatically alter from his first appearance on the planet. Does christ know he's christ? what if one of us is the second appearance of the leader of christianity and we don't even know it?

There has got to be some kind of sign, like the star that the three wise men followed for the beginning of his birth.

Personally, he's already taught us a lot of what we should know anyways, so the only real reason for a second coming would be spiritual cleansing/ punishment of the weak. Anyways, im pretty sure the story of the second coming is a myth meant to scare people into paying their tithing.

In my opinion, I think he is already here on earth, and that shit is going to head south very soon. I think he's come as a man again, but his birth and life was/is low profile. I have a few reasons to believe this, mainly that wars, the weather, disease explosions, etc... seem to be right on target with the end times prophecies. I also believe that he won't be what everyone is expecting, and that he'll be so different that only a few will see him for who he truly is. I think he'll do a lot of things that most Christians won't like, like condemning the Church for corrupting the word. Do you think he is here, and how do you think he will be recieved by the masses? Do you think you will be able to accept him, or will you deny who he is?

I've always wondered if people will believe him, simply because people are very skeptical these days, and crazy people claim they are Jesus all the time.

you're fucking retarded.

Thanks Mr.Kitty55 for your post. It must have taken you seconds, possibly minutes, to come up with such a well thought out responce. Atleast if I'm fucking, I'm probably getting more action than you, and that's pretty good for someone who is retarded.

You mean like how Jesus was healing on the sabath and stuff? All the Pharisees and lawyers laughed at him. I don't see how it would be different if he came back today. He would be considered a rogue and a danger to the religious elite and people who are preaching hate. It just makes sense. I heard somebody on some show on CNN around easter make a comparison between lepers and people with AIDS that I thought was interesting.

Disease, war, famine - all things that can be remedied by man, yet we sit around observing the problems on Earth and just resign our minds to thinking that all this unpleasantness being distributed all over the world somehow has a silver lining.

A BRIGHT SIDE! Jesus is returning! It's a good sign! We're saved! :rolleyes:

It seems as though this kind of mentality would put a huge impediment on any real progress when it came to sorting out the possible solutions to world problems.

Watching it go to shit, then blindly voting for whichever political leaders hold your brand of faith is the ultimate display of slack.

Faith isn't going to cure the problems in the world today. Awareness and a good humanitarian plan of action will. Faith isn't going to research and implement cures for diseases, isn't going to end hunger, and if anything, it will keep the people burdened into constantly being in conflict with one another over what they believe.

How could any emotionally-balanced human being look forward to the Rapture, knowing it means hundreds of millions of people will perish in a really ugly apocalypse-like disaster? Is this any different at all from the extremist Muslim who believes, through his faith, that allah will reward him and earth will benefit from him taking out a few unbelievers? The only difference between the Muslim and you Christians is that their God is already present, dictating orders and making world events happen - and yours is just on his merry way, a johnny-come-two-thousand-years-lately, not having arrived yet.

Believing that a figure in history is going to rise from the dead and sweep the world off it's feet, altering the course of the rest of eternity - is just damn near action-hero science fiction, in my opinion.

It's frightening how a large number of people subscribe to the whole scheme. Propagandists like Tim LaHaye and Jerry B. Jenkins do nothing at all to help discourage this kind of spitefully-hopeful thinking. And why would they? They're accommodating the gullible, easily-swayed minds of those who are wishing for salvation and hope, all the while getting disgustingly rich from it.

the book of revelations was written by a common pesent talking about Rome's rise to power and there forced control over the masses.

Everything makes perfect sense when put into its historical context. Theres a documentary about it, cant remember what its called though. Its on google video

Dude I'm Jesus...

i'm here, got any water and want to get wasted before the world ends?

i saw a story on the news about this mexican guy who is claiming to be jesus. check it out!

doesn't get to post here until i am told otherwise.

Jesus was aborted

Prolly not.

Mat 24:1 - Mat 24:11

1. And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to [him] for to shew him the buildings of the temple. 2. And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down. 3. And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what [shall be] the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world? 4. And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. 5. For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many. 6. And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all [these things] must come to pass, but the end is not yet. 7. For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places. 8. All these [are] the beginning of sorrows. 9. Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake. 10. And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another. 11. And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.

And your point is?

I dont know why your title is such because Jesus does not come back as a man and grow he will come back as people watched him go, the anti christ on the other hand could be among us because he will grow up as a man.

The Title says Christ, Doesn't it? Christ means messiah. Jesus was the name of the first Christ.

This thread is exactly what I mean.

YOU CAN BE JESUS. You can be anything you want. All you have to do is focus on what matters most to you.

The Messiah will perform miracles and foretell the future, as well as all of the things you mentioned. ;)

Look for someone who is gaining his fame (and notoriety) through healing and political activism. Keep your eyes on the Anarchist Communist community--there's a lot of spirit there, meaning that chances are, your Messiah is gonna come out of that group. ^_^

There is certainly a lot of spirit in the anarcho-communist line of thinking. The whole basis is personal control and improvement for the betterment of the entire population...a focus on what can be changed and bettered (the self), one by one, until the changes impact the whole.

Also, I think it's likely that if there is going to be a messiah, their word is going to be through music...most likely soft spoken words that hit hard and true. It's the demeanor of true leadership: no commands, no laws, no restrictions...they're unnecessary, as the truth of his words alone will inspire people to form their own personal commands, laws, and restrictions for their own betterment without the need to persecute those who don't share them.

So again, I'm with you that a messiah would likely condemn the church. I think it'd also be likely that he condemn any and all forms of external government. It's going to be about divine inspiration, not absolute control.

The 'beast' as is often portrayed, should be coming about, claiming to carry the message of divine inspiration, but behind the scenes is using their influence to gain absolute control. Essentially, the upcoming of the messiah is supposed to be preceding by a surface appearance of astounding wealth, peace, and order...reality being that most of the world is going to be in rags, at war, starved and chaotic. The world is close to fitting the conditions of common end-time prophecy...so if there is a messiah, chances are, they're already on Earth, and again, they're likely struggling to understand their own purpose at this point while the world around them is falling to fucking pieces as the 'beast' comes to power.

Another thing: I doubt a real messiah would claim to be a messiah. Even Christ in the Bible attempted to hide who he was because he wanted no glory for his mission: it detracts from the goal of people bettering themselves if they fall to worship to an extent where they will kill those who don't.

Essentially, watch for someone who makes no claim of personal divinity, keeps focused on inspiration (I'm thinking it's likely most of their work will be with social outcasts...the 'deranged' and the imprisoned...helping them see true), and makes no command of any person. To paraphrase the Bible, you will know someone's heart by the fruits of their deeds. Expect those that the 'messiah' comes in contact with to be exceptionally motivated towards self-improvement, exceptionally free of judgment towards others, and exceptionally disdainful of 'rulers'. Expect them to be capable of being gods unto themselves by the inspiration of a real God. The Messiah isn't going to give the 'light' to people...they're going to help people realize that the light is always there, that God has been giving them the power to be excellent in all ways since the day they were born...they merely need to pick of their mat and walk.

I might post more on this later...I'm pretty big on the whole Messianic prophecies.