First of dont bother posting "too long didnt read" Although I do apologize for the lack of organization in this topic. Please, just bear with me.
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Recently I read that our current universe could be compared to a slice of bread in a loaf with how that 2D slice in the 3D loaf is similar to our 3D world in the 4D universe.

This got me thinking about each slice being a separate universe except now with the load vertical and each 'universe' or slice on top of one another. I figured that lower universes made up the higher, more advanced universes in the form of molecules. We know that we are atleast superior to one universe because our things are made of molecules and such. However we do not know out position in the 'loaf', We could be at the top, in the middle, or perhaps even 2nd to last.

This also got me thinking about how an eternity to us could be an instant to the universes that we make up, or vice versa. I feel that as we learn more about atoms and electrons and such we will understand more of the universe. If there are an infinite number of universes then one could conceivably travel to any time or event.

These ideas, however forbid the presence of aliens as we should be the only ones in this universe. Unless of course said aliens developed the technology to transfer universes. All this begs that awful question of 'Why?'. One thing I noticed is how perfect the world is, how every single event is made possible by infinite miracles and coincidences. This that we know of as 'Life' cant simply be a coincidence made billions of years ago. Can it? There must be a high power at work.

I feel that we have been blinded as adult, sane humans into not 'seeing' what is really there. The people that we claim are 'mentally ill' could either be universe travelers, or they are simply able to see whats really there. The same with children. Imaginary friends aren't imaginary, we simply cannot sense them.

This is all fine and dandy but could you imagine if we were simply made from a reaction of some sort (fire, composting, etc) of a another planet and this is how the heat/energy is dissipated? When energy is used here on earth does it create a number of universes and lives even though it may burn for only one 'Earth second'. This event could be an eternity to those beings who inhabit that reaction.

It is impossible to tell if we are the first universe (doubtful). We cannot and will never understand out placement in 'the great scheme of things'. Thanks for putting up with my long winded, poorly titled, badly organized rant.

I agree with you wholeheartedly. That was a " long winded, poorly titled, badly organized rant".


;)

The universe is explained easily by slow, natural changes without the necessity of positing an unexplainable, all-powerful being that stands at the beginning of time as the creator of all just to comfort your feeling of inferiority caused by how grand the universe is.

The universe is explained easily by slow, natural changes without the necessity of positing an unexplainable, all-powerful being that stands at the beginning of time as the creator of all just to comfort your feeling of inferiority caused by how grand the universe is.

Are you a fucking idiot?

Are you a fucking idiot?

Yes. :)

One thing I noticed is how perfect the world is, how every single event is made possible by infinite miracles and coincidences.
Are you always on opioids or something? The world's not even close to perfect. :p

These ideas, however forbid the presence of aliens as we should be the only ones in this universe.
Uh...
Why?

Are you always on opioids or something? The world's not even close to perfect. :p

Define perfect in the grand cosmic scale.

Define perfect in the grand cosmic scale.

hmmm lets see. Death, destruction by weather, earthquakes, volcanoes, fucking meteors and comits. The endless list of ways life could end at this very moment for everybody. Theres the same processes that let life evolve togethor forming the tangled web of life on this planet is also causing hundreds of genetic and neurological disorders for us humans.

Hmm maybe the fact that thigns like virus's have to manipulate our DNA to replicate. How bacteria will eat our bodies alive from the inside. The fact that life is possible from consuming other life. Nothing like ripping apart a living animal to consume it, ending its life and prolonging our own.

Ya, perfection by an all loving god........

hmmm lets see. Death, destruction by weather, earthquakes, volcanoes, fucking meteors and comits. The endless list of ways life could end at this very moment for everybody. Theres the same processes that let life evolve togethor forming the tangled web of life on this planet is also causing hundreds of genetic and neurological disorders for us humans.

Hmm maybe the fact that thigns like virus's have to manipulate our DNA to replicate. How bacteria will eat our bodies alive from the inside. The fact that life is possible from consuming other life. Nothing like ripping apart a living animal to consume it, ending its life and prolonging our own.

Ya, perfection by an all loving god........

You took the words out of my mouth.

First of dont bother posting "too long didnt read" Although I do apologize for the lack of organization in this topic. Please, just bear with me.


too long/did read

Recently I read that our current universe could be compared to a slice of bread in a loaf with how that 2D slice in the 3D loaf is similar to our 3D world in the 4D universe.

This got me thinking about each slice being a separate universe except now with the load vertical and each 'universe' or slice on top of one another. I figured that lower universes made up the higher, more advanced universes in the form of molecules. We know that we are atleast superior to one universe because our things are made of molecules and such. However we do not know out position in the 'loaf', We could be at the top, in the middle, or perhaps even 2nd to last.

I actually subscribe to the sliced bread theory. However, it seems you and I do not see it the same way. I for one see us in a 4 dimensional universe already.

Dimensions 1 through 3 are the 3 xyz coordinate physical dimensions we live in. The 4th dimension is time. So the bread itself if the 3 physical dimensions that compose our observable 3D world. Each slice of this bread is an instance in time. Each instance of time is us at that certain time. Each one unique and different but the same person.

So in reality, we are like worms in this sliced bread. We only take up a small amount of space for each instance. We are connected to each instance by the space we take up in each instance. Adding all the instances together to make a person's life would look like a worm. Then after we die, we actually leave the limitations set by this bread and join our maker. Then we, like our maker, will be able to look upon this bread and see everything happening at all instances of time.

To combine another theory of mine with this. This bread is better than the one you get at the grocery store because there is no end slices that are nothing but crust. This bread is infinite in its instances (slices) going back in time and going forward in time.

This also got me thinking about how an eternity to us could be an instant to the universes that we make up, or vice versa. I feel that as we learn more about atoms and electrons and such we will understand more of the universe. If there are an infinite number of universes then one could conceivably travel to any time or event.

As in Bell's Theorem, sub atomic particles exists at all places at all times. There is an uncertainty in placing a sub atomic particle at an exact xyz coordinate. Also, further quatum physics experiments hint at these sub atomic particles being uncertain in time itself and not just space. Therefore, I believe that sub atomic particles exist like our maker and like us after we are freed from the "bread". They observe the whole space and time continuum like the maker, due to the fact that they make up all matter and material in it.

These ideas, however forbid the presence of aliens as we should be the only ones in this universe. Unless of course said aliens developed the technology to transfer universes. All this begs that awful question of 'Why?'. One thing I noticed is how perfect the world is, how every single event is made possible by infinite miracles and coincidences. This that we know of as 'Life' cant simply be a coincidence made billions of years ago. Can it? There must be a high power at work.

You've lost me here. I'm not sure why this can contradict the existence of life outside of earth.

I feel that we have been blinded as adult, sane humans into not 'seeing' what is really there.

We are "blinded" because we are set by the limitations of the crust that encapsulates the bread. Not because we are humans or adults, but because thats the way it is. But don't let me be the judge of your theory. I only have my own theories. Neither of us can prove either so each is just as valid as the other.

No one knows the answer to these questions. All we have right now is speculation.

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All this begs that awful question of 'Why?'. One thing I noticed is how perfect the world is, how every single event is made possible by infinite miracles and coincidences. This that we know of as 'Life' cant simply be a coincidence made billions of years ago. Can it? There must be a high power at work.

this brings to mind something that has always bothered me. People, especially religious types, they say "Look around. See how perfect everything is? Did you know that if even one of the universal constants were different, life, or even the universe would not be able to exist?"

Thats true. A slight weakening in the force of gravity, and there would be no stars, no planets and no life. No life to question why there are no stars, or to question the value of the universal constants.

The way I see it is the universe is like a random number generator. No pattern can be made from its data. But if you ran it for a hundred billion trillion years, the laws of chance dictate that it would eventually spout off the numbers one to one million, perfectly in order. It would also spout off your phone number, and mine. Our Ip adresses. And, it would spout off the value of the universal constants, all in a row. Shit, for that matter, it would also spout off the first million decimal points of Pi.

If people took these significant numbers, and put them together on a peice of paper, and excluded all the other numbers that werent in order, they would look at and say "hey! this machine gave me my phone number, my ip adress, and a million dp of Pi. Theres no way it could really be a RNG! "

What I'm trying to say is that this is not the first universe,, or the last. Not even close. This just happens to be the one where the universal constants are just right to support known physics, star formation and life. This is the universe that 'got it right'.

To put it as simply as possible: I believe that chaos eventually breeds order.

Define perfect in the grand cosmic scale.
What does the "grand cosmic scale" (whatever, exactly, that means) have to do with the world (i.e. Earth, presumably)?

I know what you're getting at, though. Unless the Original Poster would not change a thing in the universe, he doesn't consider the world perfect either.

Perfection is a completely arbitrary. There is no such thing as perfection per se, only things that you find positive as a singular organism

this brings to mind something that has always bothered me. People, especially religious types, they say "Look around. See how perfect everything is? Did you know that if even one of the universal constants were different, life, or even the universe would not be able to exist?"

Thats true. A slight weakening in the force of gravity, and there would be no stars, no planets and no life. No life to question why there are no stars, or to question the value of the universal constants.

The way I see it is the universe is like a random number generator. No pattern can be made from its data. But if you ran it for a hundred billion trillion years, the laws of chance dictate that it would eventually spout off the numbers one to one million, perfectly in order. It would also spout off your phone number, and mine. Our Ip adresses. And, it would spout off the value of the universal constants, all in a row. Shit, for that matter, it would also spout off the first million decimal points of Pi.

If people took these significant numbers, and put them together on a peice of paper, and excluded all the other numbers that werent in order, they would look at and say "hey! this machine gave me my phone number, my ip adress, and a million dp of Pi. Theres no way it could really be a RNG! "

What I'm trying to say is that this is not the first universe,, or the last. Not even close. This just happens to be the one where the universal constants are just right to support known physics, star formation and life. This is the universe that 'got it right'.

To put it as simply as possible: I believe that chaos eventually breeds order.

Yeah man.

To put it as simply as possible: I believe that chaos eventually breeds order.

There are natural systems that create order out of chaos consistently, and not eventually.

Chaos Theory (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaos_theory)

I wish I could make the time to study it. :(

But if you applied the chaos theory to a person, would that mean the human mind is essentially in a state of chaos if it feels the need to think bad thoughts, making a never ending cycle of an idea until it stops. It then can't even be stopped gradually because if you are doing it slowly you are still giving it time to expand. So I think if you find chaos you have to stop it like hitting a brick wall and go from there.

So you could apply that theory to any theory couldn't you?