everyone seems to think they're smart by talking about 'Judeo-Christian' beliefs or by constantly inferring the supposed jewish origins of Christianity,
or by using terms like 'JCI'(judeo-christian-islamic) as an umbrella term for some beliefs, mostly beliefs that are virtually entirely Christian but for some reason, people think its clever to say that they are also Jewish and Islamic.
They usually talk about ideas like the devil, hell, and eternal damnation unless you follow the dogma as being judeo-christianity or part of both Judaism's and Christianity. Christians seem to use the term alot but jews never do and many of them object to the term and the concept. Christians and alot of other people seem to think that Judaism's is Christianity minus Jesus...but my opinion is that christianity and judaism are two radically different religions separated by radically different traditions, history, philosophy, etc. I don't even think its correct to say that jews and christians (and muslims), 'all worship the same god'.
Also, I don't see the significance in pointing out that christianity's beleifs about god or the divine are derived from judaism. I don't even think its a very accurate statement.
There don't seem to be many jews on totse or at least religious ones or ones knowledgeable about their own religion. Its almost like judaism is the only religion where people will not actually listen to its adherents when it comes to what its about but rather their own false 'knowledge' and assumptions.

I don't think there's too many Jewish people on TOTSE (by which I mean people who believe in the Judaist God, the Tanakh, etc.). I can think of just one. This may explain why so many people on TOTSE get away with misconstruing Judaism.

I agree with you that a lot of people make massive assumptions about Judaism. For example: "Jews believe in original sin." This is utter nonsense and comes from the misconception that Judaism is just the OT as it appears in Jewish Bibles.

Judaism and Christianity are very different. Judaism deals more with the here and now, whereas Christianity is somewhat nihilistic, in my opinion, in that it's about waiting to go to heaven and be with Jesus (I read a post in the archive by a Christian who said that if there were no afterlife and Jesus, they'd commit suicide because the world of the flesh is too horrible. If that's not nihilistic, I don't know what is.). Most people aren't aware of this, but if that bothers you, you should stick around and correct people when you see them making mistakes.

I don't even think its correct to say that jews and christians (and muslims), 'all worship the same god'.

Yeah, I don't think they worship the same God as much as they all have the concept of ONE God.

everyone seems to think they're smart by talking about 'Judeo-Christian' beliefs or by constantly inferring the supposed jewish origins of Christianity,
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I was unaware that the jewish origins of christianity were in anyway 'supposed'.

You contend that jesus wasn't jewish?

I was unaware that the jewish origins of christianity were in anyway 'supposed'.

You contend that jesus wasn't jewish?

I contend that Jewish theology and philosophy is very different to that of Christianity, and Judaism's has its own separate traditions and history. Last time I checked Christian ideas aren't based in rabbinic literature like the Talmud. Last time I checked, Christians believed that God is a trinity of 3 people somehow 3 and one at the same time, that a man was /is God and that anyone who doesn't believe that burns in hell for all eternity.
Also, Christian doctrine was not necessarily determined by Jesus, who may very well have never existed, Judaism's history and traditions extend far past the time of Jesus. The Christian doctrine resembles Pagan ideas which have nothing to do with Judaism. If anything, Christianity has origins in remarkably similar Pagan religions of the Mediterranean that preceded it. Monotheism was also practiced in the greco-roman world, mainly in the more urban areas, before and around the time of Jesus, and it didn't have Judaic roots. Monotheism also existed before Judaism.

I contend that Jewish theology and philosophy is very different to that of Christianity, and Judaism's has its own separate traditions and history. Last time I checked Christian ideas aren't based in rabbinic literature like the Talmud. Last time I checked, Christians believed that God is a trinity of 3 people somehow 3 and one at the same time, that a man was /is God and that anyone who doesn't believe that burns in hell for all eternity.
Also, Christian doctrine was not necessarily determined by Jesus, who may very well have never existed, Judaism's history and traditions extend far past the time of Jesus. The Christian doctrine resembles Pagan ideas which have nothing to do with Judaism. If anything, Christianity has origins in remarkably similar Pagan religions of the Mediterranean that preceded it. Monotheism was also practiced in the greco-roman world, mainly in the more urban areas, before and around the time of Jesus, and it didn't have Judaic roots. Monotheism also existed before Judaism.

Strange you accuse others of having a lack of knowledge about judaism yet you yourself display a tendency to sweeping and incorrect generalisations about christianity.

Strange you accuse others of having a lack of knowledge about judaism yet you yourself display a tendency to sweeping and incorrect generalisations about christianity.

I know as much as there is to know about Christianity

I know as much as there is to know about Christianity

Ya think?

Last time I checked, Christians believed that God is a trinity of 3 people somehow 3 and one at the same time, that a man was /is God and that anyone who doesn't believe that burns in hell for all eternity.

...kinda proves otherwise.

Christians believe in the trinity, that God exists in three separate and distinct personalities, the father, son, and holy spirit, but that God is still one, '1x1x1=1'.
Christians believe that Jesus Christ, a man, was God, both 100% God and 100% man, and that the only way to salvation is accepting him as your savior, otherwise, at judgment, you would be cast into the lake of fire/outer darkness/hell/whatever for all eternity (some Christians would say that you cease to exist after your soul is destroyed in the lake of fire).
That is part of the Nicene creed, you may not believe in those things, but if you don't believe that doctrine then technically, you are part of a different theological category, like Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses, Gnostics etc because they don't follow the Nicene creed.

Christians believe in the trinity, that God exists in three separate and distinct personalities, the father, son, and holy spirit, but that God is still one, '1x1x1=1'.
Christians believe that Jesus Christ, a man, was God, both 100% God and 100% man, and that the only way to salvation is accepting him as your savior, otherwise, at judgment, you would be cast into the lake of fire/outer darkness/hell/whatever for all eternity (some Christians would say that you cease to exist after your soul is destroyed in the lake of fire).
That is part of the Nicene creed, you may not believe in those things, but if you don't believe that doctrine then technically, you are part of a different theological category, like Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses, Gnostics etc because they don't follow the Nicene creed.

You know, sometimes I do wish I was allowed to delete posts simply on the grounds of sheer ignorance or in your case 'Masta-theif-esqueness'.

You know, sometimes I do wish I was allowed to delete posts simply on the grounds of sheer ignorance or in your case 'Masta-theif-esqueness'.

So, I take it you're something of a liberal Christian or a gnostic or something and you have a problem with me saying that your having beliefs that don't conform to the Nicene creed puts you in a different theological category to Christianity. Is that right or are you saying...what?

Idoltary is woven into Judaism and Islam too. It wasn't supposed to be but people went ahead and did it anyways.

The scriptures have been changed over time. They weren't supposed to be but people went ahead and did it anyways.

This rabbit hole is way deeper than you think.

Don't take the actions of people to be what was meant to be or commanded by God.

Try reading more into it. There's more than what meets the eye. Keep an open mind.

You know, sometimes I do wish I was allowed to delete posts simply on the grounds of sheer ignorance or in your case 'Masta-theif-esqueness'.

I don't agree with the OP either. For instance, Judaism is just as immersed in paganism as is Islam & Christianity one glance at Cabala would prove that. Not to mention the fact that "Judaism" as we know it today simply did not exist at the time of Jesus... you are however not offering any argument against any of his "points".... which does not look good.

I have to admit that I was raised Baptist, never heard of the Nicene creed, and I don't recall them teaching Jesus as God. Now, that's no guarantee that they didn't, just that it's something I must have missed if they did.

Their focus was on baptism and salvation, hell-fire and damnation and that was just about it. I left the church at age 18.

I would love to hear some thoughts by Lost Cause or SpaceFalcon2001 (one of my favorite posters when it comes to this sort of thing).

You know, sometimes I do wish I was allowed to delete posts simply on the grounds of sheer ignorance or in your case 'Masta-theif-esqueness'.

You know Jackketch that what Shuu says about Christianity is true, at least for catholicism. If he didn't take Catholic doctrine and claim that it represents the beliefs of all christians he would have a valid point on the subject of christians taking beliefs that only they believe in and claim that they are also shared by jews and muslims.

Not to mention the fact that "Judaism" as we know it today simply did not exist at the time of Jesus...

That is one of the points I was trying to make....
also, you obviously have a very skewed idea of what kabbalah is.

You know Jackketch that what Shuu says about Christianity is true, at least for catholicism. If he didn't take Catholic doctrine and claim that it represents the beliefs of all christians he would have a valid point on the subject of christians taking beliefs that only they believe in and claim that they are also shared by jews and muslims.

Actually, what I said is not only (roman) catholic doctrine. It is catholic in the sense that the word means universal, and that is the universal, accepted doctrine of Christianity as opposed to 'heresy'. Before the Nicene creed, Christianity as such didn't exist. Any Christian of any denomination that actually believe in their religion and know anything about it will tell you they believe in all of those same things, just go to any Christian website and look at the statement of faith.