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gmail
2007-04-30, 15:12
Background: I went to the church of Scientology in Farmington Hills, MI for an assignment in religion class. The assignment was to pick a religion that we were not familiar with and attend a service. I grew up catholic, but I'm currently atheist, so I figured checking out Scientology would be great to write a paper on.

I got there early at 10:50am for the 11:30 service. I was waiting for a classmate to arrive, so I decided to go in and check it out. The outside looked like a big office building with a big blue overhang that read "Church of Scientology" with their cross next to it. I found it funny when I saw the little "TM" next to the cross. A guy was at the door and immediately introduced himself and shook my hand. I explained what I was there for and he took me inside to a big office/waiting room with a few desks, a leather couch, and a big TV. He told me to sit on the couch while he looked for a DVD to put in. I started looking around and noticed a wall with about 50 different DVDs for purchase at $20 a piece. There were also pictures of L. Ron Hubbard everywhere.

The movie he put in was a recording of their recent yearly conference where the current president spoke of all the problems in the world and then explained all the great stuff Scientology was doing to help.

My classmate arrived, and watched some of the video with me, then we started reading a few magazines and pamphlets that were in front of us on a coffee table. Let me say that I as astounded at the sheer propaganda I read. The pamphlets all promised salvation and a better life through ScientologyI learned that they also hate the field of psychology when I flipped through a magazine that portrayed every famous psychologist and psychiatrist as evil.

Another one of the pamphlets showed all of the courses that you can buy. They come in a plastic case that looks like a book, contain 2-5 DVDs, a few thin books, and cost between $2,000 and $6000 a piece.

Eventually the minister came in, introduced himself, and then took us to a small room with about 20 chairs, a big TV, a podium, and a big framed portrait of Hubbard right behind it. I felt a little uncomfortable when I realized we were the only 2 people attending this service. A few minutes later 5 members walked in and sat with us, most likely to make us feel more comfortable so we weren't by ourselves. I later found out that this Sunday service was designated for people interested in Scientology and was also the only time listed on their website. I'd also like to note that the atmosphere was pretty laid back, and there is no dress code. I wore a decent long sleeved buttoned shirt with nice jeans just so I didn't look like a slob.

The minister chose a passage he said would help us understand the basics of their beliefs. He opened a large book about twice the dimensions of the bible and began. After 5 minutes of talking, my first thought was "WOW these people are waaaay out there" He said that we have 8 "points" around our bodies that form a box: 2 on the ground, 2 above your head in front and behind you. He then went on to say that the reason you get dizzy when you spin in circles is because those points get all tangled up, and you become undizzy when those points reset to their normal position ( Keep in mind folks, that just because part of the word "Science" is in the name, doesn't mean it has anything to do with it.) They also don't worship any single god, leaving that up to you. They teach ways to gain confidence and learn more about yourself through self discovery, and life experience. I won't go into anymore about that, if you're interested for some reason theres plenty of info online

The service lasted about an hour, and I was happy to be done because it was getting pretty dry after a while. Just as we were about to walk out of the room, the minister stopped us at the door and began elaborating further on what we had just heard. He further confirmed my assumptions that these people believe some crazy stuff. After talking to us for 20 more minutes we started downstairs and towards the door where we were stopped again and given some pamphlets and a DVD on an interview with Hubbard done in the 60's. This also ran $20 but they gave us a brand new copy free from somebody who donated them.

Anyway, despite their crazy ideas and obvious attempts at money grabs, I realized Scientology is just like any other religion. They want to save your soul and it will only cost you your time and tons of money. Lastly, I must say that you don't have to subscribe to a religion in order to believe in yourself or be happy. If you don't think you can handle that on your own, Scientology can "help" you for the cost of about $350,000 paid throughout your lifetime.

---Beany---
2007-04-30, 16:36
Cheers

jackketch
2007-04-30, 16:58
I found this extremely interesting. Scientology is one of the very few 'sects' I have not personally experienced and it was nice to hear that everything i have been told abut them seems to be true.

I think i am right in saying that in some countries here in Euro-land they have even had their 'church' or 'charitable' status removed.

Unfortunately there does seem to be 'one born every 60 seconds' and so such scams continue.

Good post.

dead_people_killer
2007-04-30, 20:34
I wonder if I can find something like that around where I live.

I want to go so I can fuck with them. I love fucking with truly screwed up people. Its fun.

Ressotami
2007-04-30, 20:47
Anyway, despite their crazy ideas and obvious attempts at money grabs, I realized Scientology is just like any other religion. They want to save your soul and it will only cost you your time and tons of money.


I disagree, Scientology is fundamentally different from traditional religion. It's a pyramid scam and relies on user subscription.

It's got nothing to do with saving your soul, Xenu only cares about your cash.

Pilsu
2007-04-30, 21:30
I disagree, Scientology is fundamentally different from traditional religion. It's a pyramid scam and relies on user subscription.

Yeah, it's just like a pyramid scam except you give them money and don't get any bac.. wait a minute, it's nothing like a fucking pyramid scam, what the fuck are you on about?

I'm just waiting for them to say "just kidding!". I mean, people can't be that stupid can they..?

Hare_Geist
2007-04-30, 22:52
I want to go so I can fuck with them. I love fucking with truly screwed up people. Its fun.
Dude, I wouldn't mess with these guys. I've read too many personal reports by people who have been harassed by scientologists (some were even afraid for their lives near the end). My favourite writer William Burroughs joined the group in the 50s out of curiosity, left and wrote a letter in Rolling Stone basically calling it a money scam which began a long line of letters back and forth through rolling stone between him and the scientologists, eventually they came to his house and he had to scare them away with his shotgun, lol.

Ressotami
2007-04-30, 22:57
Yeah, it's just like a pyramid scam except you give them money and don't get any bac.. wait a minute, it's nothing like a fucking pyramid scam, what the fuck are you on about?


Research the damn religion. You can earn money through auditing people that are lower levels than you, and pay money to higher level members to be audited.

The cost increases with the level.

It's just like a pyramid scam.

psycho_8b
2007-04-30, 23:22
The more you pay, the lower your Thetan count. Therfore the more you pay the more safe your soul truly is!

This is why the rich people go for Scientology...They can pay a shit load of money and they can easily make themselves believe that their soul is safe because of it!

Isn't commerce wonderful?!

Pilsu
2007-05-01, 00:00
Research the damn religion. You can earn money through auditing people that are lower levels than you, and pay money to higher level members to be audited.

The cost increases with the level.

It's just like a pyramid scam.

I see, I was only aware of the expensive material you can purchase. My mistake I guess

jackketch
2007-05-01, 00:13
Dude, I wouldn't mess with these guys. I've read too many personal reports by people who have been harassed by scientologists (some were even afraid for their lives near the end)

If you talk to 'de programmers' they count scientology to the brain washing cults (which tends to go with harassment of 'apostates')

dead_people_killer
2007-05-01, 03:23
Dude, I wouldn't mess with these guys. I've read too many personal reports by people who have been harassed by scientologists (some were even afraid for their lives near the end). My favourite writer William Burroughs joined the group in the 50s out of curiosity, left and wrote a letter in Rolling Stone basically calling it a money scam which began a long line of letters back and forth through rolling stone between him and the scientologists, eventually they came to his house and he had to scare them away with his shotgun, lol.

Let em harass me. I have guns.

gmail
2007-05-01, 13:12
I found this extremely interesting. Scientology is one of the very few 'sects' I have not personally experienced and it was nice to hear that everything i have been told abut them seems to be true.

I think i am right in saying that in some countries here in Euro-land they have even had their 'church' or 'charitable' status removed.

Unfortunately there does seem to be 'one born every 60 seconds' and so such scams continue.

Good post.
Thanks for the positive jack :)

gmail
2007-05-01, 13:22
I wonder if I can find something like that around where I live.

I want to go so I can fuck with them. I love fucking with truly screwed up people. Its fun.

I'm sure your experience with Scientology involves nothing more than that episode of South Park. Yes these people believe crazy things, but doesn't every religion? The people I met were very friendly and I never once felt weird around them. As people were walking in and out of the office, they all took the time to introduce themselves and shake my hand.

While I have heard the horror stories, which some are mentioned in this thread, these particular people seemed like decent human beings. While I am in no way endorsing Scientology, I think you should take the time to evaluate the people you want to "fuck with" first. Like any other religion, there are some real wackos and then there are the people who just want to be apart of a group.

dead_people_killer
2007-05-01, 17:58
I'm sure your experience with Scientology involves nothing more than that episode of South Park. Yes these people believe crazy things, but doesn't every religion? The people I met were very friendly and I never once felt weird around them. As people were walking in and out of the office, they all took the time to introduce themselves and shake my hand.

While I have heard the horror stories, which some are mentioned in this thread, these particular people seemed like decent human beings. While I am in no way endorsing Scientology, I think you should take the time to evaluate the people you want to "fuck with" first. Like any other religion, there are some real wackos and then there are the people who just want to be apart of a group.


I agree that every religion believes some weird things and that there are wackos in every group, it seems to me that this group is more apt to be labeled a cult than a religion. I mean, come on. A little research is all it takes to find out that L. Ron Hubbard basically created Scientology as a scheme to make money, even his own son said so. Not only that, but their little E-meter is nothing more than a polygraph machine in a different package. Beyond that, talk to some former Scientologists and you will see that the entire thing is completely ridiculous, and a crock of shit. Its the only religion that I know of that wont let their holy book be released to the public; no, you have to go through de-programming (ie, BRAINWASHING) before you are allowed to see that and know the "truth". Even they know how ridiculous their little cult is.