Why dont some people believe in Jesus Christ? They dont know whats going to happen when they die (in my opinion, if you want to go to heaven you need to TRULY beleive that Jesus Christ died on the cross for ALL of our sins and accept HIM into your life and believe that HE rose again, no matter their religion, as long as you beleive that he died on the cross for everyones sins and rose again and ask him into your heart you will be spared from the lake of fire). When i got saved I KNEW THAT HE WAS REAL B/C OF WHAT I FELT AFTER I GOT SAVED ( i was sooooooo happy and i knew something changed in my life, i felt extatic, so thats how i knew i was saved).

Heaven is sooooooooooooooo much better than hell (i truly know that im going to heaven, and heaven is way better than living an eternity in the lake of fire..

so to all you agnostic people, you atleast (in mine and most everyone elses opinion need to beleive this, something good will happen to you and you will be spared an eternity in damnation and the lake of fire). At least give it a try (theres WAY too many people that are going to hell and i hope that my post will atleast open up this idea to some people) I just dont want most of the people in this life to be stuck in hell for all aternity, its much better to be in heaven where theres NO PAIN and NO SUFFERING, right?

Please listen to my advice and atleast give it a try!
Theres already too many people going to hell as it is!
PLEASE JUST GIVE IT A TRY, SURE THERE WILL BE HARD TIMES IN YOUR LIFE BUT THATS JUST TO MAKE US STRONGER..

I HOPE ATLEAST ONE PERSON LISTENS TO THIS POST AND WILL BE SAVED B/C OF IT!

Im not that great of a christian but NO MATTER WHAT I DO, I TRULY KNOW I WILL STILL GO TO HEAVEN AND THATS THE POINT!

Please, i hope out of this one post SOMEONE will hear my advice and follow it (it will change you for the better) even if you still do wrong it doesnt matter as long as you accept him into your life its all good!

As long as you accept him everything will be OK when you die and you will be spared an eternity of pain and suffering!

Atleast think about it, it will spare you from an ETERNITY OF PAIN AND SUFFERING!

You're an idiot. What if you're wrong about Islam? You're gonna wind up in hell. That sucks, huh?

You're an idiot. What if you're wrong about Islam? You're gonna wind up in hell. That sucks, huh?

But i felt something when i got saved (extreme happiness, nothing that i've ever felt before, even through all the drugs i have done)
It was EXTREME JOY AND HAPPINESS, SOMETHING THAT I HAVE NEVER FELT BEFORE EVER! at least give it a try man, theres already too many people going to hell as it is... in mine and many others opinions islam is based on killing INFADELS WHICH IS TOTAL BULLSHIT AND EVERYONE THAT BELEIVES IN THAT BULLSHIT IS GOING TO BURN IN THE LAKE OF FIRE FOR ALL ETERNITY WHEN THEM FUCKERS DIE....

You're an idiot. What if you're wrong about Islam? You're gonna wind up in hell. That sucks, huh?

But i felt something when i got saved (extreme happiness, nothing that i've ever felt before, even through all the drugs i have done)
It was EXTREME JOY AND HAPPINESS, SOMETHING THAT I HAVE NEVER FELT BEFORE EVER! at least give it a try man, theres already too many people going to hell as it is... in mine and many others opinions islam is based on killing INFADELS WHICH IS TOTAL BULLSHIT AND EVERYONE THAT BELEIVES IN THAT BULLSHIT IS GOING TO BURN IN THE LAKE OF FIRE FOR ALL ETERNITY WHEN THEM FUCKERS DIE....
Islam is based on killing the infadels which is total bullshit and they deserve to ROTT IN HELL FOR ALL ETERNITY, no virgins for them fucking bastards!

sorry, double post!

I've been Christian. I know how it feels. The question you're asking is called: "Pascal's Wager." It doesn't work. The answer is simple: you're a victim of circumstance. People in the town where you used to live were Christian, therefor you're Christian. If you were in the Middle East you'd be Jewish, or Islam. If you lived in Africa you'd be Zoastrian. I'm atheist because I was raised around atheists.

YOU DON'T HAVE TO TALK IN CAPS TO MAKE A POINT!

Lol - more people would follow christianity if it were'nt for the damn christian's!

I still think the Romans had the right idea. BRING BACK THE LIONS!!!!!

Lol - more people would follow christianity if it were'nt for the damn christian's!

I still think the Romans had the right idea. BRING BACK THE LIONS!!!!!

"Does the Nile River not rise high enough? Are there plagues and floods and famines? All at once the cry goes up from all the neighbors. Christians to the lion! Christians to the lion!"

What, all those Christians to one lion?"

-Tertullian

right.. i think this thread is stupid as hell but ill post my opinion as a born Christian and practicing pagan.

i was brought up being taught that the bible was the word of god and that it should be taken literally. jesus is the son of god ,died for our sins if we don't accept him as our savior were going to hell etc.

but then i started actually THINKING for myself and i figured..

"well god is all knowing an infinitely loving and caring so why in his infinite wisdom would he ever send someone to hell for all eternity for such petty nonsense stated by preachers?, he is above such petty grudges"

then i realized that the bible itself doesn't say alot of the shit preachers spew out, so basically most "christians" are living their lives based on someone else's assumption on what god wants them to do. and even if the stuff they say WAS in the bible, the bible is still just a work of man and living around it is still living on someone else's beliefs instead of your own.

most major religions today preach about faith. faith to allah jesus god faith to whatever deity you were brought up to worship.

but what greater show of faith is there than to cast away the word of man and search for god yourself?. cast away all of what you have been told to believe in and actually try to find god, not the god you have been TOLD to worship but god himself whoever he/she is.

At least give it a try (theres WAY too many people that are going to hell and i hope that my post will atleast open up this idea to some people) I just dont want most of the people in this life to be stuck in hell for all aternity, its much better to be in heaven where theres NO PAIN and NO SUFFERING, right?


Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

John 5:24 (KJV)

If you don't believeth you don't believeth. Faking it won't make God happy if he does exist.

Lol - more people would follow christianity if it were'nt for the damn christian's!

I still think the Romans had the right idea. BRING BACK THE LIONS!!!!!

Hell yeah!
*Gets out the wolfs nipple chips and settles down for a good show*

BELEIVES IN THAT BULLSHIT

Funny you'd mention bullshit in the same sentence where you claimed Islam is a religion of violence as a whole

Do you also happen to believe Osama attacked because he "hates freedom"? Oh man, you people crack me up, you'll believe anything

Choice.

This is why people dont believe in your Jesus Christ. This explains what Christianity is in a non biblical term. It explains it perfect to and makes you realize how stupid they are for believing it.

http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h39/falk0n/christianity.jpg

Gaytroll.

Wow, that was one hell of a post.

I think I'm goign to go burn all my black clothing, throw out my metal and then all of my other music. Then, I'm going to go down to a church and get my ass saved. Thanks.

It's simple: There's nothing to indicate that Jesus Christ (if he ever existed) was the son of a god, or had any miraculous powers. "Faith" (belief in that which you know ain't true, as Mark Twain put it) is not a viable reason to believe the stories told about Jesus because it doesn't offer any proof to back up the claims.

If Jesus existed, I believe he may have walked on water. Like any other rational being, I know it's nearly infinitely likely that it was just frozen at the time.

Jesus Christ was a yogi. He had a divine revelation. Many people have had this revelation, if Jesus taught anything it was that he was not a god. He was mortal just as everyone else, and anyone can have the same revelation. Sure I believe in Jesus Christ, I love him so. But I also have faith in Muslim, Hindu, Agnostic, and Quaker dogmas. What you feel? You mind has just been opened, and it will open more. I

Well said!

Woohoo! Christianity debate! These never get anywhere... Everyone just ends up accusing each other of being gay and having a small penis by the end. But I'm going to post anyway....

I guess I'm technically a Christian. I hate the word "Christian" though. Christian makes you think of child raping priests, bloody Crusades, political manipulation, Baptist homeschoolers with unisex clothing, etc. I do believe in the Trinity and his/its ability to indeed save my ass for eternity. I don't call myself Christian though. I don't do all the things that Christians do. Basically, I read the Bible (mostly New Testament), discuss it with any people I can find and I pray. My goal is to become as Christ-like as I can. I don't think anyone can say that that isn't an admirable goal.

Read this thread... all of it.

http://www.totse.com/community/showthread.php?t=1960440

I have always held that I would rather go to hell than accept the christian god. Submitting yourself to another's will in the face of threats is pretty much the most disgustingly immoral thing a person can do.

So you're from Fayetteville, eh? That's not terribly far from where I'm at. I'm in Mountain Home.

I see that your reason for believing is emotional. The euphoric experience of conversion, of believing that your fate has been changed from eternal punishment to eternal reward. But emotions lie. They make you think things are real where they are not. I think many religions have these emotional experiences like the one you experienced.

And the issue of heaven and hell... it seems a bit too convenient for Christians to convert others. I mean, in the end, who would end up with the most converts? The religion that says everyone will be okay if they believe whatever they want, or the one that threatens eternal damnation for not following and offers eternal bliss for following? Survival of the fittest among beliefs...

Read this thread... all of it.

http://www.totse.com/community/showthread.php?t=1960440

Were you talking to me? If you were - I don't think the world can ever really be good or happy. I don't think I can really change much in the world either. I'm just committed to giving it my best shot, and showing love to as many people as I can along the way.

If you christians believe in jesus because you have faith, stop looking both ways before you walk across an interstate or high way and just have faith that you wont get hit by a car. O what your still gonna look why? you should just have faith that god and/or jesus wouldnt let that happen to you. Or have faith that jumping off a 80 story building and landing on your head wont kill you.

If you christians believe in jesus because you have faith, stop looking both ways before you walk across an interstate or high way and just have faith that you wont get hit by a car. O what your still gonna look why? you should just have faith that god and/or jesus wouldnt let that happen to you. Or have faith that jumping off a 80 story building and landing on your head wont kill you.

Where does the Bible say that God provides physical protection for anyone other than the Messiah?

If Christians didn't spread the holy word so much, surely I could live in some sort of "invincible ignorance" of THE WORD, and whilst youse might say that the Christian messege is ingrained into man's nature blah blah blah, aint much evidence of this when you look at other parts of the world!

If this isn't a troll thread (and i guess all evangelicals online seem like trolls to me, nowadays...) then quite simply... I just don't agree with your logic, or your messege!

Sure, Jesus Christ is/was "kinda" my saviour, or at least the messege that he taught at times could be said to be that for humanity, but the one and only?? Fuck that! There are pleanty of other amazing, significant individuals who have done just as much for the world. Also I don't believe Christ was the "son of God" in any sense of the word, due to the totally incomprehensible logic of the trinity.

Christian "logic" baffles me, religion baffles me, and "YOU GONA BURN IN DA FLAMES" baffle me, fo sure! Riiiiiight, uphold the words of your forgiving Lord (and hence, God) by telling me of my eternal suffering through not accepting your poxy dogma? Bah fuck logic though, and fuck all this dressed up power system bullshit...

All you need is love... you can achieve that from learning to take the best aspects of humanity from ALL areas; spiritual and secular, and from a variety of different religions and philosophies. Dualistic black or white thinking really should be dead by now, when it comes to humanity, the universe or anything significant really!

Gandhi - "i like your Christ, but I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ!"

Where does the Bible say that God provides physical protection for anyone other than the Messiah?

He didn't even do a good job of that.

so to all you agnostic people, you atleast (in mine and most everyone elses opinion need to beleive this, something good will happen to you and you will be spared an eternity in damnation and the lake of fire). At least give it a try

Wtf? Chrisitianity isn't something you "just try" like food samples at the local grocery store. Actual faith and belief are demanded.

Wtf? Chrisitianity isn't something you "just try" like food samples at the local grocery store. Actual faith and belief are demanded.

Like food samples at the grocery store, the hope is that the tester will actually buy the product.

Like food samples at the grocery store, the hope is that the tester will actually buy the product.

As stated, you can't 'choose' to believe

Would you like to savor a sample of life time servitude to an invisible man that blames you for the actions of people thousands of years ago? If you don't like it, you can just.. wait, you're dead once the trial is over. Nevermind, just try it anyway, PWEASE! I don't think we're powerful enough, we need more stupid minions

That happiness is the feeling that you're cheating death. Everyone dies and when you die you're gone. There's no magical kingdom in the sky where everyone goes. Why waste what precious time you have on this planet believing in something that is obviously not true.

I mean, in the end, who would end up with the most converts? The religion that says everyone will be okay if they believe whatever they want, or the one that threatens eternal damnation for not following and offers eternal bliss for following? Survival of the fittest among beliefs...

Ever heard of MEME theory? It deals with pretty much exactly what you're talking about. Interesting stuff.

That feelings you felt were 'relief' or 'sanctity' for now 'knowing' you weren't going to hell.

It felt like a lot of stress off your ass didnt it? Well continue to believe it and act everyday to be a good person. I have semi faith for there is somethings in life I don't understand but I aint gonna automatically say its god.


But if you want to look at this as a way to push religion on people, jew's and christian's believe in the same God, only difference being that jesus christ pwns all.
If this is so, then why in the HOLOCAUST when Millions of jews were being slaughtered, WHY didn't god intervene to end it until so many years after when the war ended on itself?

Everything, in your 'idealist' mind. God doesn't come to help us with these 'little' problems and we need to work shit out on our own.
::: Could it just be that we have really become independent and God is used to bring people to there feet in the times they lost all hope so they can strive to live again, independently. Used as a blanket to filter through doubt and bring will back to the people to continue knowing theres something bigger... <Good thing

::: That God is dealing with bigger problems, kinda like a superman type of thing. "Well theres a meteor about to hit pluto, earth is about to get raped by its own ozone and a cows jumping over the moon. I HAVE NO TIME FOR YOUR SMALL PROBLEMS, IM BUSY!"

::: Or the a sad truth feeling of that he isnt there? Bullshit, we exist. He has to. Right?

But you see in all the idea's... Not one time has god show himself in any situation. No one knows what he looks like. You may say you seen god... But was that bag blowing in the wind floating up the corner of a building God? Fuck no, the truth is God is something to big for us to understand. Should not fight over religions cause you have no figure of holy decent to back you up on your facts. Should be making things better for ourself and each other... No I dont mean not fight and give to charity. Fighting is human nature and charity fuck that, some rich guy's leeching off that B.S. company.

War's, very fucking sad to say, are a way to weed out our population that is growing vast. Truth is us as HUMANS are riding a thin line between being a PLAGUE and a CURE, We can either fuck it up or make it better.

Yes I am done typing.

go back to bed america

Drug demon,
you felt so good after you were "saved" because you full heartedly believed you were saved. Its like a psychosomatic disease. When you sit down in a Wiccan spell circle you feel a charge, an energy that makes people think it must be magic at work. No, your brain wants something so bad it makes it happen. You wanted to be saved, you wanted to be happy, all you needed was an alibi so that your brain could convince you were. To quote Mr. Thom York, "Just cuz you feel it, doesn't mean it's there"

whoa man. take a look at ur username. drug demon? u sound devout.

well you see i guess there probably was a guy named jesus christ but i dont fucking care big fucking deal his name was jesus christ.
he didnt create man, because if he did then why does my fucking science teacher say that the first humans were 2 milion years ago.
he didnt create earth or the fuckin planets cuz if my science teacher said the earth was formed like 466 billion years ago.
he was probably an opium smoking pot head cuz he thought of a great idea, how about we name a religion christianism just so i can be cool
JESUS CHRIST IS FUCKING FAKE

The reason i don't believe in Jesus Christ? He didn't come at the right time to be your saviour.

I'm Jewish, and i spend some of my days defending why jewish people didn't believe jesus christ was the son of god: the agrument is simple; you believe in jesus christ because there wa a scripture saying that a saviour would arise and he would perform miracles. Whether he performed them or not is not part of the point (although im highly doubtful they did), the fact was you believed in him because you were told he was going to come, you justforgot the part that he didnt come at the propheised time to be the rightful messiah. Jewish people believe he coul not be the saviour because the prophecies didnt predict he would come at the same time, there were other people with messiac qualities, but are not accepted as the messiah because they did not come at the right time.

For example, ever heard of Elazar ben Ya'ir? He had real potential to be the messiah, doing similar things to that of jesus, under your rules, you should be worshipping him right now, but you're not.

Your religion is flawed, im not saying mine is completely right, but yours is flawed.

What, you expect the belief in magic man be based on accurate history? Expecting people don't lie and conveniently ignore things when it suits them in religious text essentially meant to subjugate your will and give power to the ones preaching it? Please. If they can add hell to the soup to scare you, they can pick the coolest sounding messiah. Not like you can really argue and expect to make them cut the bullshit. Nor can you expect your precious Jew crap be accurate either

Religious leaders have too much to gain to be trusted. Take your books with a grain of salt

Nor can you expect your precious Jew crap be accurate either

Religious leaders have too much to gain to be trusted. Take your books with a grain of salt

Did i say that is the only reason he isn't the messiah, did i say it's the only reason we shouldnt believe in him, did i say i believed everything in the torah, did i say that everything in the torah was accurate? No.

I just gave my reason as to why from only one of my many views on why he cant be the messiah, k?

Now fuck off.

He didn't even do a good job of that.

I was hoping for a response like that.

Jesus: Hi, I'm your savior.

Pilates: Hi, I'm Pilates...and this here is my good friend, Cat O' Nine-tails. Soon, we'll meet up with his 3 friends, Nine, Inch, and Nail.

well you see i guess there probably was a guy named jesus christ but i dont fucking care big fucking deal his name was jesus christ.
he didnt create man, because if he did then why does my fucking science teacher say that the first humans were 2 milion years ago.
he didnt create earth or the fuckin planets cuz if my science teacher said the earth was formed like 466 billion years ago.
he was probably an opium smoking pot head cuz he thought of a great idea, how about we name a religion christianism just so i can be cool
JESUS CHRIST IS FUCKING FAKE

What a way to question authority...by accepting an opposing authority. You sir, are the epitome of free thought. :rolleyes:

If I didn't know better, I'd swear the OP was a cleaned-up, grammar-stricken version of Hellz Shellz.

Did i say that is the only reason he isn't the messiah, did i say it's the only reason we shouldnt believe in him, did i say i believed everything in the torah, did i say that everything in the torah was accurate? No.

I just gave my reason as to why from only one of my many views on why he cant be the messiah, k?

You're still trying to reason with the magic man. It's quite the assumption to think these prophets were right to begin with, they were regular humans, no? I'd be more inclined to believe the son of God than some priests

It's all a load of crap anyway, everyone likes Jesus but never does what he tells you to so doesn't really matter

So uh, if this Elazar fits the prophesy, why aren't you accepting him then?

Christ didnt die for anyone. He died because of a bunch of pissed off romans. Jesus was a crazy fuck that tried to impose some new thought about religon and people were gullible (sp?) at the time. If i knocked on your door and said i was the reincarnated jesus would you believe me....fuck no. Im guessing that he got drunk on his wine while he was carving a new hash pipe and thought "fuck...lets tell some people im the son of god". As for that whole "he rose from the dead" shit. When anticlaese tore jesus from the cross he was thought to be dead by so many people that when he was revived by medical means then they thought he rose from the dead.



Do you think he was surprised to hear his own eulogy

If i knocked on your door and said i was the reincarnated jesus would you believe me

I'd definitely keep you around if you could turn water into wine

If I didn't know better, I'd swear the OP was a cleaned-up, grammar-stricken version of Hellz Shellz.

It's the NEAR RANDOM CAPITALIZATION scattered throughout the posts, is it?

~

Drug Demon doesn't soud like a very christian name to me... not at all fitting for someone who's apparantly been born again.

It's the NEAR RANDOM CAPITALIZATION scattered throughout the posts, is it?

~

Drug Demon doesn't soud like a very christian name to me... not at all fitting for someone who's apparantly been born again.

He's just a troll, we've had problems with him over on S&A. There's a thread from him bitchin about the EvIl K3tCh on B&M.