The God Delusion, Breaking the Spell, The God Who Wasn't There, The End of Faith, The Atheists are Revolting, and now God is not Great. Can anyone explain why there has been such an outpour of atheist outrage? My guess is that its a retaliation for widespread Islamic terrorism and erosion of the seperation of Church and State in America. Any other opinions? (please don't bring up the Devil or socialism)

Its just a case of minority acting like the majority so that it seems like it is more mainstream therefore attracting more people so it can eventually become the majority. Hopefully it will never become the majority the world would take a turn for the worst.

Its just a case of minority acting like the majority so that it seems like it is more mainstream therefore attracting more people so it can eventually become the majority. Hopefully it will never become the majority the world would take a turn for the worst.

I think religious terrorism has already done, just like it has in the past. By the way, why now? Why not 30 years ago?

If there is ever a time to capitalize off of anti-theism and make some money, now would be that time. Fundamentalists are creating terrorist groups in the East and are educating students to become politicians in the West. Before everyone thought the growing influence of Fundamentalist was a joke. But now we realize that its srz bisnz.

"Before everyone thought the growing influence of Fundamentalist"

Growing influence? We were here first.

BTW Dont give me that crap "THIS NATIONZ WAS NOT FONDED ON KRISIANITE MORON11111" because thats not what im saying.

"Before everyone thought the growing influence of Fundamentalist"

Growing influence? We were here first.

Bullcrap. The people that came here first were the ones escaping the Fundamentalists of Europe who executed religious persecutions to one and all.

... and religious tyranny. Kings and Queens and such.

BTW Dont give me that crap "THIS NATIONZ WAS NOT FONDED ON KRISIANITE MORON11111" because thats not what im saying.

If anyone were to make the case that this nation was founded on Christianity, it would be a more liberal version of Christianity.

"Its just a case of minority acting like the majority so that it seems like it is more mainstream therefore attracting more people so it can eventually become the majority. Hopefully it will never become the majority the world would take a turn for the worst."

I think people are starting to get tired of stupid shit like ^that, and that's why the atheistic viewpoint is becoming more mainstream.

"Oh you don't believe in God? You're evil! You're wrong! There's nothing at all to back up my viewpoint but you're going to hell!" I know I'm fucking tired of that childish, schoolyard bully nonsense, and I'm sure many others are as well.

I think people are starting to get tired of stupid shit like ^that, and that's why the atheistic viewpoint is becoming more mainstream.

"Oh you don't believe in God? You're evil! You're wrong! There's nothing at all to back up my viewpoint but you're going to hell!" I know I'm fucking tired of that childish, schoolyard bully nonsense, and I'm sure many others are as well.

I love you

It just appears more widespread because it's given media attention. And the reason for getting pissed is just that, Christians bullying everyone that doesn't agree with them. You'd get pretty pissed if PETA ruled and was trying to force you to be a vegan or get fucked over

"I love you"

I love you too. :hugs:

Yes, the atheists are rising, you christian dog. We're going to burn you out the same way you burned out the pagans. You can't fight a free mind.

I love threads like these. Its like they're running in terror.

http://www.burzum.com/burzum/biography/images/fantoft2.jpg

Oh yeah, and we're spreading because we're right. You aren't, and people know that now. If you were a real christian you'd be back at the foot of your king.

That's right. Soon there will be roving gangs of atheists, running around blaspheming and raping Christian children. After that, we'll worship at the altar of Carl Sagan and Gene Roddenberry and start using our evil, satanic knowledge (because Satan is REAL, obviously) to breed genetic supermen, who will then go out and murder all the Christians in the world.

That's our evil plan. MUAHAHAHAHAHA. Pardon me while I pet my white cat in my humorously over sized chair.

"Oh you don't believe in God? You're evil! You're wrong! There's nothing at all to back up my viewpoint but you're going to hell!" I know I'm fucking tired of that childish, schoolyard bully nonsense, and I'm sure many others are as well."

Hmmm lets rplace a few words.


"Oh you believe in God? You're a moron! You're wrong! There's nothing at all to back up my viewpoint but you're fucking retarded!" I know I'm fucking tired of that childish, schoolyard bully nonsense, and I'm sure many others are as well."

There we go.

""Oh you don't believe in God? You're evil! You're wrong! There's nothing at all to back up my viewpoint but you're going to hell!" I know I'm fucking tired of that childish, schoolyard bully nonsense, and I'm sure many others are as well."

Hmmm lets rplace a few words.


"Oh you believe in God? You're a moron! You're wrong! There's nothing at all to back up my viewpoint but you're fucking retarded!" I know I'm fucking tired of that childish, schoolyard bully nonsense, and I'm sure many others are as well."

There we go."

You know, I honestly see this really often whenever the subject comes up, but it's still hilarious. Christians in particular LOVE to "switch the argument around" even though they have no idea what they're saying. Guaranteed, if I start using phrases like "logical fallacy" this joker will start applying it to who knows what. Comedy gold, folks!

Seriously though, your entire belief system is self contradictory and logically impossible, whereas my position is that I understand that and don't buy your bullshit. Not exactly apples and apples, Stupid Bitch.

"self contradictory" Bull shit just show me.

"logically impossible" That is such a moronic statement because i believe in an allpowerful God who is not bound by space time and matter.

"Stupid Bitch." Your just not gunna give that up are you?

"my position is that I understand that and don't buy your bullshit." I can say the exact same thing which is what i was pointing out in my last post i didnt make ANY statement other than that if you picked up something other than that thats your problem not mine which is why im not respondng to your first paragraph

Stop picking on the retarded troll Surak, it's not nice. In a more serious tone, it's pointless. Ever read those Reader's Digest little stories? Like the one where the kid gets his leg stuck in a grain silo. They pray and pray and pray and the kid comes out okay. This is of course thanks to GOD, not the 50 firemen that dug up the entire foundation of the silo to get access to the leg, sawed off the machinery in case the bleeding couldn't be controlled had it been pried off and hauled the kid into the hospital with the leg still stuck in the piece of machinery for several hours of careful surgery to save his leg. No sir, it was GOD that was to thank. You know, the same God that didn't stop your fucking kid from playing in the silo in the first place. Who cares about the surgeons who toiled 6 hours to save the leg or the firemen who worked for what, a day to get the fucker out of the silo in the first place, God is awesome for saving your child

"Stop picking on the retarded troll Surak, it's not nice. In a more serious tone, it's pointless. Ever read those Reader's Digest little stories? Like the one where the kid gets his leg stuck in a grain silo. They pray and pray and pray and the kid comes out okay. This is of course thanks to GOD, not the 50 firemen that dug up the entire foundation of the silo to get access to the leg, sawed off the machinery in case the bleeding couldn't be controlled had it been pried off and hauled the kid into the hospital with the leg still stuck in the piece of machinery for several hours of careful surgery to save his leg. No sir, it was GOD that was to thank. You know, the same God that didn't stop your fucking kid from playing in the silo in the first place. Who cares about the surgeons who toiled 6 hours to save the leg or the firemen who worked for what, a day to get the fucker out of the silo in the first place, God is awesome for saving your child"

You Sir, are totally correct. Frankly, I'm a bit bored and mocking retards like SAMMY is a neat time waster while I work on waiting for and digesting dinner. I'll go do something constructive later.

""self contradictory" Bull shit just show me."

In all seriousness, read your holy book. That's the best way for you to see what kind of assed-backwardness goes on in there. I believe I've provided helpful links like http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/ before, but I doubt you'll check it out. And if you do, you'll go "NO IT CAN'T BE NO".

""logically impossible" That is such a moronic statement because i believe in an allpowerful God who is not bound by space time and matter."

Wow. Wow. This is so... so incorrect I literally have nothing to add. You think that is a valid argument? Just... wow.

""Stupid Bitch." Your just not gunna give that up are you?"

Nope, that's your pet name until you demonstrate that you *aren't* one.

"
"my position is that I understand that and don't buy your bullshit." I can say the exact same thing which is what i was pointing out in my last post i didnt make ANY statement other than that if you picked up something other than that thats your problem not mine which is why im not respondng to your first paragraph"

You can make that exact same statement, yes. However, only one of us will be correct... and it won't be you. Idiot.

"Stop picking on the retarded troll Surak,"

Cant debate me so you call me a troll so people will ignore me, well i guess when its the only way to win you gotta do it.

"the same God that didn't stop your fucking kid from playing in the silo in the first place."

1.Its seems to me that the majority of people here despise christianity especially because of the people who give it a bad name not God.

2.Did you ever stop and consider that He wanted them to go through a certain expirience but not get anyone hurt? No, you just want to get a cheapshot in because thats all you can put in with a perfect God.

"In all seriousness, read your holy book. That's the best way for you to see what kind of assed-backwardness goes on in there. I believe I've provided helpful links like http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/ before, but I doubt you'll check it out. And if you do, you'll go "NO IT CAN'T BE NO"."

1.Dont ever put that bullshit site on again its a waste to anyone who knows what theyre talking about's time.

2.Dont tell me to look it up to see if its right when its you who need to do this with out the guides of these kind of sites because what you need to do is read the Bible and tell me why its full of crap and not leave it up to these sites to do that job for you.

"You can make that exact same statement, yes. However, only one of us will be correct... and it won't be you."

Correctness is an opinion when it comes to certain issues this is not one of those issues and you have failed to bring forth a valid argument/rubuttal so your not trying very hard to prove your correct.

"Stop picking on the retarded troll Surak,"

Cant debate me so you call me a troll so people will ignore me, well i guess when its the only way to win you gotta do it."

And the Christian persecution complex rears it's ugly head once more. The reason why I don't debate with you, is that facts have absolutely no effect on you. You're either too ignorant, too stubborn, too stupid or some combination of the three to debate properly.

So instead, I keep myself entertained by mocking you. See?

"the same God that didn't stop your fucking kid from playing in the silo in the first place."

1.Its seems to me that the majority of people here despise christianity especially because of the people who give it a bad name not God."

Child becomes an amputee in a car crash. Child prays to god for a new arm/leg, etc. God ignores child, but he helps some sportsgod score a touchdown. Logically, one can conclude that God has his priorities out of whack and is therefore a douche. That is of course, all assuming that the child's prayer had a God to answer it.

"2.Did you ever stop and consider that He wanted them to go through a certain expirience but not get anyone hurt? No, you just want to get a cheapshot in because thats all you can put in with a perfect God."

If your god was perfect, he'd be able to set up the "learning experience" without the needless suffering, because he is all powerful and all loving. Of course, that's not what happens, so you're an idiot.

"Stop picking on the retarded troll Surak,"

Cant debate me so you call me a troll so people will ignore me, well i guess when its the only way to win you gotta do it.

I call you a troll because I hope for your sake that you are one. Trolling is fun, being painfully stupid isn't something I'd wish upon another

1.Its seems to me that the majority of people here despise christianity especially because of the people who give it a bad name not God.

Why would I despise you because of a faith if you aren't trying to meddle in my affairs with it? People who try to outlaw abortion because "God wants it" make by blood boil. People who say they don't think God would approve and hence don't do it themselves I respect. Believe what you want as long as you're not hurting me with it. That or insult rescue workers who worked their ass off just to be met with you tanking everyone but them. Might as well have spat on the ones deserving the most praise

2.Did you ever stop and consider that He wanted them to go through a certain expirience but not get anyone hurt? No, you just want to get a cheapshot in because thats all you can put in with a perfect God.

This story ended well (as far as I can remember, I could look it up to see if he actually lost the fucking leg. That'd be rich). Quite a few don't. God wanted you to go through with the experience of being paralyzed and people denying to death that you beg for by blinking in morse code. Oh right, God did it if it's nice, God didn't do it if it ended bad. Funny you'd pick and choose which to attribute to him

"Trolling is fun"

Finally you know what your talking about ;)

"If your god was perfect, he'd be able to set up the "learning experience" without the needless suffering, because he is all powerful and all loving. Of course, that's not what happens, so you're an idiot."

If you dont understand His reasons (which you dont) dosnt mean you can judge what He does. Why not go one more step forward and ask why God dosnt place all the knowledge you would learn in your life and shove it into your head when your born?

"People who try to outlaw abortion because "God wants it"" I dont think anyones ever made that argument its based on believing life starts at a certain point (in this case the moment of conception but that is a completely different debate).

"Funny you'd pick and choose which to attribute to him"

"You'd" as in you would you dont know what i would say in that situation but be assured i will not pick and choose.

You're the one telling me I should love a God that can cripple me at any moment as a "learning experience"

When I was a kid, I gave a frog a learning experience. I threw him at a rock and he slowly died in a small puddle. Now, can I seriously ask you to consider me a friend of frogs after that? How can one be so cruel yet be hailed as benevolent?

You're the one telling me I should love a God that can cripple me at any moment as a "learning experience"

When I was a kid, I gave a frog a learning experience. I threw him at a rock and he slowly died in a small puddle. Now, can I seriously ask you to consider me a friend of toads after that? How can one be so cruel yet be hailed as benevolent?

1.He would never give you a "learning expirience" because you are not part of his family.

2.You are ignorant of the Bible so you cant be criticizing whats in it go read "Job" then you will understand more.

Yo sammy249

I have a question. How was god himself created? I asked a preacher when I was younger once and he simply said he was always there or the bible just says that or something.
I don't understand how one thing can just be there or has always been there.
How can god himself create but something else not create him?
I have always wondered this and i thought I'd ask someone who believes in the god himself.

Damn, this sammy dude is getting owned.

Here's a learning experience.

A bus full of small children falls off of a cliff into icy water where the majority of the children experience a painful death by drowning. This action can either be indended or unintended by god. If it is unintended, god is not all-powerful. If it is intended, god is not all loving. Let's assume that none of the kids personally angered god to invoke its destruction, and lets also assume that satan wasn't involved (if he was, then god is not all powerful or is using the deaths of the children as a lesson (divine plan). Divine plan: Lets assume that one child lived. Did he alone deserve to? Lets also assume the same child went on to be a drug addict and eventually committed suicide (I am assuming quite a lot, but it is my sceanario and god should have no problem, right?). If his survival justified? was it unintentional or intentional?

We're here, we outnumber you and we will destroy you.

Let the world hear these words once more:
"Save us, oh lord, from the wrath of the Norseman"

Yo sammy249

I have a question. How was god himself created? I asked a preacher when I was younger once and he simply said he was always there or the bible just says that or something.
I don't understand how one thing can just be there or has always been there.
How can god himself create but something else not create him?
I have always wondered this and i thought I'd ask someone who believes in the god himself.

The question is irrelevant because either you believe magic happened that cause nothing turning into something or energy being around forever or you believe an allpowerful God has always been there the most logical choice is a god which is why i find atheism completely outrageous for claiming they are soooo logical and yet believing in magic.

Damn, this sammy dude is getting owned.

Here's a learning experience.

A bus full of small children falls off of a cliff into icy water where the majority of the children experience a painful death by drowning. This action can either be indended or unintended by god. If it is unintended, god is not all-powerful. If it is intended, god is not all loving. Let's assume that none of the kids personally angered god to invoke its destruction, and lets also assume that satan wasn't involved (if he was, then god is not all powerful or is using the deaths of the children as a lesson (divine plan). Divine plan: Lets assume that one child lived. Did he alone deserve to? Lets also assume the same child went on to be a drug addict and eventually committed suicide (I am assuming quite a lot, but it is my sceanario and god should have no problem, right?). If his survival justified? was it unintentional or intentional?

We're here, we outnumber you and we will destroy you.

You can make anything sound horrible when you add ignorance, not knowing what your talking about, and a little pompousness, sadly it can also convince people who are the same way.

You can make anything sound horrible when you add ignorance, not knowing what your talking about, and a little pompousness, sadly it can also convince people who are the same way.

Thats a good way to bypass a direct question. Why not just answer it?

there are two separate things here: beliefs and knowledge.

people can believe anything, but to aquire knowledge requires verifying a phenomena by repeated testing.

the (mature) athiest lacks a belief in god because there is no knowledge about god. aquiring knowledge about god is impossible because god, being unfalsifiable (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falsifiability), is untestable.

the thiest believes in god despite having no knowlege about god; this is called faith. a mature thiest understands and accepts that there is absolutely no evidence for the existence of god and admits to believing only on faith.



you can argue about theology and free will and god's plan all you want, but in the end it all boils down to beliefs, knowledge, and faith.

Thats a good way to bypass a direct question. Why not just answer it?

The question is unfair and was pompous and it deserved the same kind of answer. The fact is i dont have to answer the question and i wont until you have done what i have asked of you but you will not bring yourselves to read the Bible so i will not bring myself to answer the question.

The question is unfair and was pompous and it deserved the same kind of answer. The fact is i dont have to answer the question and i wont until you have done what i have asked of you but you will not bring yourselves to read the Bible so i will not bring myself to answer the question.

:rolleyes:

there are two separate things here: beliefs and knowledge.

people can believe anything, but to aquire knowledge requires verifying a phenomena by repeated testing.

the (mature) athiest lacks a belief in god because there is no knowledge about god. aquiring knowledge about god is impossible because god, being unfalsifiable (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falsifiability), is untestable.

the thiest believes in god despite having no knowlege about god; this is called faith. a mature thiest understands and accepts that there is absolutely no evidence for the existence of god and admits to believing only on faith.



you can argue about theology and free will and god's plan all you want, but in the end it all boils down to beliefs, knowledge, and faith.

QFT - Sammy relies on blind faith that all his religious buds aren't lying to him. Nothing else, just faith.

Everyone else here is mature enough to see that......

The question is unfair and was pompous and it deserved the same kind of answer. The fact is i dont have to answer the question and i wont until you have done what i have asked of you but you will not bring yourselves to read the Bible so i will not bring myself to answer the question.

Just answer the question godboy.

And why would you assume I havn't read the bible? I've read it. I've read Shakespeare as well, and that was written around the same time as the King James version I thought. Shakespeare was a much better read, and far more relevant to life today.

"Tis such fools as you
That makes the world full of ill-favor'd children."
As You Like It, 3. 5

EDIT: Just in case you lost the question:

Originally Posted by TeenMachine
Yo sammy249

I have a question. How was god himself created? I asked a preacher when I was younger once and he simply said he was always there or the bible just says that or something.
I don't understand how one thing can just be there or has always been there.
How can god himself create but something else not create him?
I have always wondered this and i thought I'd ask someone who believes in the god himself.

:rolleyes:

If you have nothing more to add than :rolleyes: to something that was not addressed to you than GTFO of the conversation.

"Everyone else here is mature enough to see that......"

You sure would want everyone to believe that but in reality its just mainly you.

"Just answer the question godboy.

EDIT: Just in case you lost the question:

Originally Posted by TeenMachine
Yo sammy249

I have a question. How was god himself created? I asked a preacher when I was younger once and he simply said he was always there or the bible just says that or something.
I don't understand how one thing can just be there or has always been there.
How can god himself create but something else not create him?
I have always wondered this and i thought I'd ask someone who believes in the god himself."

I answered the question flawlessly if you want to ignore it you just go ahead but everyone else knows your just a petty coward.

[QUOTE=SAMMY249;8346998
I answered the question flawlessly if you want to ignore it you just go ahead but everyone else knows your just a petty coward.[/QUOTE]

JUST ANSWER THE QUESTION.

(lol - I had no idea this was so much fun!)

JUST ANSWER THE QUESTION.

(lol - I had no idea this was so much fun!)

I DID YOU FUCKING MORON "The question is irrelevant because either you believe magic happened that cause nothing turning into something or energy being around forever or you believe an allpowerful God has always been there the most logical choice is a god which is why i find atheism completely outrageous for claiming they are soooo logical and yet believing in magic.""The question is irrelevant because either you believe magic happened that cause nothing turning into something or energy being around forever or you believe an allpowerful God has always been there the most logical choice is a god which is why i find atheism completely outrageous for claiming they are soooo logical and yet believing in magic.""The question is irrelevant because either you believe magic happened that cause nothing turning into something or energy being around forever or you believe an allpowerful God has always been there the most logical choice is a god which is why i find atheism completely outrageous for claiming they are soooo logical and yet believing in magic.""The question is irrelevant because either you believe magic happened that cause nothing turning into something or energy being around forever or you believe an allpowerful God has always been there the most logical choice is a god which is why i find atheism completely outrageous for claiming they are soooo logical and yet believing in magic.""The question is irrelevant because either you believe magic happened that cause nothing turning into something or energy being around forever or you believe an allpowerful God has always been there the most logical choice is a god which is why i find atheism completely outrageous for claiming they are soooo logical and yet believing in magic.""The question is irrelevant because either you believe magic happened that cause nothing turning into something or energy being around forever or you believe an allpowerful God has always been there the most logical choice is a god which is why i find atheism completely outrageous for claiming they are soooo logical and yet believing in magic." DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION!?!?!?!

The question is unfair and was pompous and it deserved the same kind of answer. The fact is i dont have to answer the question and i wont until you have done what i have asked of you but you will not bring yourselves to read the Bible so i will not bring myself to answer the question..

I answered the question flawlessly if you want to ignore it you just go ahead but everyone else knows your just a petty coward.

Ummmm..... OK....

EDIT: It's even easy to get you confused.....lol

chumpion
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Originally Posted by SAMMY249 View Post
The question is unfair and was pompous and it deserved the same kind of answer. The fact is i dont have to answer the question and i wont until you have done what i have asked of you but you will not bring yourselves to read the Bible so i will not bring myself to answer the question.
Just answer the question godboy.

And why would you assume I havn't read the bible? I've read it. I've read Shakespeare as well, and that was written around the same time as the King James version I thought. Shakespeare was a much better read, and far more relevant to life today.

"Tis such fools as you
That makes the world full of ill-favor'd children."
As You Like It, 3. 5

EDIT: Just in case you lost the question:

Originally Posted by TeenMachine
Yo sammy249

I have a question. How was god himself created? I asked a preacher when I was younger once and he simply said he was always there or the bible just says that or something.
I don't understand how one thing can just be there or has always been there.
How can god himself create but something else not create him?
I have always wondered this and i thought I'd ask someone who believes in the god himself."

Ummmmm.....Ok...... its even easier to point out when you dont even know what you posted.

You lost the debate long ago so now your just trolling and editing "for fun". Thankfully its easy to win when you know what your talking about (me) and the other person dosnt (you).

You can make anything sound horrible when you add ignorance, not knowing what your talking about, and a little pompousness, sadly it can also convince people who are the same way.

Its not that horrible. People die every day. What that is a logical proof to the non-existance or non-omnipotence/non-amorosity of a deity. You just ignored it, which proved my point further.

To everyone out there, there are two questions he isn't answering. Mine isn't really a question, its more of a statement. ALso:

BIg bang theory isn't magic. If you take the same laws that regard a star collapsing into singularity and reverse time, then you get a singularity expanding to a universe and nothing goes wrong. Combine that with teh fact that eventually this expansion gets caught by gravity and the system reverses again into a singularity makes the current universal system. It isn't magic. Having a beared dude wave his hand, that's magic.

Also, you obviously can't answer either. YOU have lost, you fucking redneck.

When you skin a bear it should aggro every other bears in a forty yard radius. It makes sense, it was his BEST FRIEND.

OK Sammy, I'm typing this slowly, just for you. The original question was:
Yo sammy249

I have a question. How was god himself created? I asked a preacher when I was younger once and he simply said he was always there or the bible just says that or something.
I don't understand how one thing can just be there or has always been there.
How can god himself create but something else not create him?
I have always wondered this and i thought I'd ask someone who believes in the god himself.

Your responses were:
The question is irrelevant because either you believe magic happened that cause nothing turning into something or energy being around forever or you believe an allpowerful God has always been there the most logical choice is a god which is why i find atheism completely outrageous for claiming they are soooo logical and yet believing in magic.

The question is unfair and was pompous and it deserved the same kind of answer. The fact is i dont have to answer the question and i wont until you have done what i have asked of you but you will not bring yourselves to read the Bible so i will not bring myself to answer the question.

I answered the question flawlessly if you want to ignore it you just go ahead but everyone else knows your just a petty coward.

You have hardly answered the question - you have said it is irrelevant, and unfair, but neither are answers.

Just answer the question without calling me a coward, or a fucking moron..... or is that too much for you????

BIg bang theory isn't magic. If you take the same laws that regard a star collapsing into singularity and reverse time, then you get a singularity expanding to a universe and nothing goes wrong. Combine that with teh fact that eventually this expansion gets caught by gravity and the system reverses again into a singularity makes the current universal system. It isn't magic. Having a beared dude wave his hand, that's magic.

Also, you obviously can't answer either. YOU have lost, you fucking redneck.

You need space time and matter all at once to have something in our universe so that statement is complete crap just like the rest of you statement i just felt the need i had to respond to this one because your statement concerning "a bearded dude" He is all powerful so lets examine. If i pick up a cup is that magic? No, because i have the POWER to pick up the cup. If God created the universe is that magic? No, because He has the POWER to do that because he is all powerful.

and what created god?

the answer, of course, is bears. the bears skinns theirselves and aggros every bear in a forty yard radius. it makes sense, it was his best friend.

OK Sammy, I'm typing this slowly, just for you. The original question was:


Your responses were:






You have hardly answered the question - you have said it is irrelevant, and unfair, but neither are answers.

Just answer the question without calling me a coward, or a fucking moron..... or is that too much for you????

I am done talking to you because you say i answered one question with two COMPLETELY different answers to two COMPLETELY different questions and take them out of context to hide it from the people that i know what im talking about.

im betting that sammy is homeschooled by his fundie parents. that shit boreders on child abuse, it really does.

oh, and bears aggro every other bears when you skin god.

I am done talking to you because you say i answered one question with two COMPLETELY different answers to two COMPLETELY different questions and take them out of context to hide it from the people that i know what im talking about.

You could just say "I don't know the answer".......

Although to be fair, there were two questions further up you didn't answer. One was:

"A bus full of small children falls off of a cliff into icy water where the majority of the children experience a painful death by drowning. This action can either be indended or unintended by god. If it is unintended, god is not all-powerful. If it is intended, god is not all loving. Let's assume that none of the kids personally angered god to invoke its destruction, and lets also assume that satan wasn't involved (if he was, then god is not all powerful or is using the deaths of the children as a lesson (divine plan). Divine plan: Lets assume that one child lived. Did he alone deserve to? Lets also assume the same child went on to be a drug addict and eventually committed suicide (I am assuming quite a lot, but it is my sceanario and god should have no problem, right?). If his survival justified? was it unintentional or intentional?"

Your answer to this was "The question is irrelevant because either you believe magic happened that cause nothing turning into something or energy being around forever or you believe an allpowerful God has always been there the most logical choice is a god which is why i find atheism completely outrageous for claiming they are soooo logical and yet believing in magic."


The other was:

"I have a question. How was god himself created? I asked a preacher when I was younger once and he simply said he was always there or the bible just says that or something.
I don't understand how one thing can just be there or has always been there.
How can god himself create but something else not create him?
I have always wondered this and i thought I'd ask someone who believes in the god himself."

and your answer to this was "You can make anything sound horrible when you add ignorance, not knowing what your talking about, and a little pompousness, sadly it can also convince people who are the same way."

followed by "The question is unfair and was pompous and it deserved the same kind of answer. The fact is i dont have to answer the question and i wont until you have done what i have asked of you but you will not bring yourselves to read the Bible so i will not bring myself to answer the question.
"

Neither of the above are answers - either answer both questions now, or admit you don't know.....

You need space time and matter all at once to have something in our universe so that statement is complete crap just like the rest of you statement i just felt the need i had to respond to this one because your statement concerning "a bearded dude" He is all powerful so lets examine. If i pick up a cup is that magic? No, because i have the POWER to pick up the cup. If God created the universe is that magic? No, because He has the POWER to do that because he is all powerful.

Refer to my earlier post, I provided a great deal of evidence that showed that "god" is not all powerful.

Lets look at what you said.

You need space time and matter all at once to have something in our universe

Yes, and we have all of them.

so that statement is complete crap just like the rest of you statement

Can you prove it?

i just felt the need i had to respond to this one because your statement concerning "a bearded dude" He is all powerful so lets examine.

He's all powerful. Can you prove that?

If i pick up a cup is that magic? No, because i have the POWER to pick up the cup. If God created the universe is that magic? No, because He has the POWER to do that because he is all powerful.

If you pick up a cup, your brain is sending an electric impulse to your muscles, causing them to contract. The molecules of your hand repulse the molecules of the cup, causing you to grip and then your brain sends another impulse to different muscles, contracting them and rasing your arm. If a deity creates a universe, it just happens. No explanation.

Care to explain how?

im betting that sammy is homeschooled by his fundie parents. that shit boreders on child abuse, it really does.



No, whats child abuse is forcing your kids to go to a school with other horrible children where all you learn is homosexuality is the same as heterosexuality and how to put a condom on a cucumber, face it i know what im talking about you dont you dont know me but that dosnt stop you from attacking me because 1.Thats all you people do when you lose. 2. Ruin my credability so no one will pay attention to me. but you have NO FUCKING CLUE what your talking about which is good enough for me i dont need verification from other atheist dick suckers to know im right.

im betting that sammy is homeschooled by his fundie parents. that shit boreders on child abuse, it really does.

I'm still not convinced he's just a troll sent in here to liven things up a bit.

I mean, do you honestly think anyone could believe half of this shit to the extent he does?

Still, his beliefs are his beliefs, and if I learn something about how christians think through him, I'll be a better person. I just wish he would answer direct questions.....

EDIT: - Actually, seeing his response above, I guess you are right. Damn those evil sex education classes!

Although the bit about homosexuality has thrown me a bit. If his parent's think everyone that goes to school doesn't know the difference between homosexuality and heterosexuality, why are non-homeschool fundies reproducing?

Lol - I'm actually surprised he's allowed near the evil Internet.....

I'm still not convinced he's just a troll sent in here to liven things up a bit.

I mean, do you honestly think anyone could believe half of this shit to the extent he does?

Still, his beliefs are his beliefs, and if I learn something about how christians think through him, I'll be a better person. I just wish he would answer direct questions.....

You're aussie, so you probably don't know this, but atlanta is the shittiest redneck shithole of america. I'm suprised he's able to type/look at a computer, to be honest.


No, whats child abuse is forcing your kids to go to a school with other horrible children where all you learn is homosexuality is the same as heterosexuality and how to put a condom on a cucumber, face it i know what im talking about you dont you dont know me but that dosnt stop you from attacking me because 1.Thats all you people do when you lose. 2. Ruin my credability so no one will pay attention to me. but you have NO FUCKING CLUE what your talking about which is good enough for me i dont need verification from other atheist dick suckers to know im right.



MOTHER FUCKING PROVE YOUR ACCUSATIONS.(homosexuality isn't the same as heterosexuality? condoms are wrong? WHY MOTHER FUCKER WHY??)
You have not shown ONE bit of proof as to why you are so enlightened. PROVE that we are full of shit. Go on! Do it! I'll fucking paypal you fucking cash if you can, if you even have paypal you fucking georgia redneck! PROVE ME THE FUCK WRONG!

[QUOTE=Prometheum;8347262]You're aussie, so you probably don't know this, but atlanta is the shittiest redneck shithole of america. I'm suprised he's able to type/look at a computer, to be honest.

Lol - I guess we both think the same way - I put my little quip about not being able to use the Internet in at about the same time as you....

just ignore him, he has never posted one thing of value in all of his posts. i just looked, and he's not troll...he's just an idiot. it's hopeless with people like that.

just ignore him, he has never posted one thing of value in all of his posts. i just looked, and he's not troll...he's just an idiot. it's hopeless with people like that.

But, but, but....... he started it!

lol

[QUOTE=SAMMY249;8347226] and how to put a condom on a cucumber, QUOTE]

Ohhhh I get it, Sammy is in favour of young people getting Clymidia.

[QUOTE=Prometheum;8347262]You're aussie, so you probably don't know this, but atlanta is the shittiest redneck shithole of america. I'm suprised he's able to type/look at a computer, to be honest.

Lol - I guess we both think the same way - I put my little quip about not being able to use the Internet in at about the same time as you....

The only contact I have ever had with Atlanta is getting a car there I have never lived there slept there nor do I ever plan to its a lie to throw them off.

BTW It was a horrible trip.

Lol, Its A Lie To Throw Them Off.

That Is Gold.

Now Prove Me The Fuck Wrong.

[QUOTE=chumpion;8347296]

The only contact I have ever had with Atlanta is getting a car there I have never lived there slept there nor do I ever plan to its a lie to throw them off.

BTW It was a horrible trip.

ANSWER MY QUESTIONS GOD BOY

but atlanta is the shittiest redneck shithole of america. I'm suprised he's able to type/look at a computer, to be honest.


Have you ever been to Atlanta? I don't live there but I'm not far from it.
Don't let this guy show you how people in the Atlanta area are(If he isn't lying about not living there). I live in a rural area and I'm no redneck.

Have you ever been to Atlanta? I don't live there but I'm not far from it.
Don't let this guy show you how people in the Atlanta area are. I live in a rural area and I'm no redneck.

I've been through there. I remember that all of the radio and TV stations were yelling at me to save my soul, and there were more strip clubs there than in any other city I've ever been in.

I'm sure there are non-rednecks over there, an area isn't a valid judge of character. Those posts, however, are. He sure as hell is an atlanta redneck by his own virtue, not atlantas.

Have you ever been to Atlanta? I don't live there but I'm not far from it.
Don't let this guy show you how people in the Atlanta area are. I live in a rural area and I'm no redneck.

I figure all places have a good and a bad side......

I've been through there. I remember that all of the radio and TV stations were yelling at me to save my soul, and there were more strip clubs there than in any other city I've ever been in.

I'm sure there are non-rednecks over there, an area isn't a valid judge of character. Those posts, however, are. He sure as hell is an atlanta redneck by his own virtue, not atlantas.

Lol, I see.I haven't actually been in the bad parts or actually lived there or anything just been to a few places there and go through it to get to Florida.
I don't usually watch tv and I rarely listen to the radio.

Yeah there are plenty of non-rednecks.
I agree though.

1.He would never give you a "learning expirience" because you are not part of his family.

So he'd just cripple me for the sake of it? What about the crippled Christians? What are they learning? Or is "learning" your way of saying "I don't know so I'll come up with half-assed explanations that conveniently cover every fucking thing you can possibly think of". Sigh, poor frog

I never said I was an atheist either. And funny, I thought he loved all his creations, not just the ones in Jesus club. Or do you just change that based on the situation?

*psst* I think Sammy's crawled back into his cage for the night.....

No, whats child abuse is forcing your kids to go to a school with other horrible children where all you learn is homosexuality is the same as heterosexuality and how to put a condom on a cucumber, face it i know what im talking about you dont you dont know me but that dosnt stop you from attacking me because 1.Thats all you people do when you lose. 2. Ruin my credability so no one will pay attention to me. but you have NO FUCKING CLUE what your talking about which is good enough for me i dont need verification from other atheist dick suckers to know im right.

This kid is a net loss for humanity. Game over man... Game over...

I think religious terrorism has already done, just like it has in the past. By the way, why now? Why not 30 years ago?

Because 30 years ago there wasn't an audience to market their form of thought-control to.

Money and power motivate every man - some in pursuit, some in rebellion.

Kenwih, I love you.

BEST. FRIEND.

Alright, the "warrior of christ" appears to have retreated, weak and beaten. Let this be a sign to all followers of the false teachers: you have no god behind you or above you. You are alone in your delusions. We will always be victorious. We will always win. Why? We are right and it's as simple as that.

I enjoy how a thread originally bitching about too many atheists was quickly conquered by those who were opposed, and now, we alone stand victorious.

Think about this, Christians. If your pathetic god existed, would he have allowed Sammy to run like the coward he is? WOULD HE HAVE LET YOU LOSE?

Because 30 years ago there wasn't an audience to market their form of thought-control to.

Money and power motivate every man - some in pursuit, some in rebellion.

LOL, religion is the most blatant form of thought-control.

it makes sense




















BEST.FRIEND

LOL, religion is the most blatant form of thought-control.

Did I say otherwise? Taking its crown from its head will just leave an open slot to be filled in the world power struggle. I doubt atheism would be up to that particular task, but it's certainly another form of thought-control.

Did I say otherwise? Taking its crown from its head will just leave an open slot to be filled in the world power struggle. I doubt atheism would be up to that particular task, but it's certainly another form of thought-control.

If one's personal rejection of thought-control is a form of thought-control, then when the fuck can we think freely?

If one's personal rejection of thought-control is a form of thought-control, then when the fuck can we think freely?

You say your rejection of thought-control is personal? Really? Nobody introduced the notions expressed in Occam's Razor to you? There wasn't a large community of 'educated' people who support the utility of Occam's Razor, easing you into the 'superior' critical thinking? There weren't dozens upon dozens of man-made resources you have come across that attempted to explain various facets of existence? None of these resources influenced and shaped the way you think, feel, and operate as a human being?

If I told you how to end thought-control, and you concurred, you'd still be within a form of thought-control; relying on information passed to you by others rather than experienced information.

I'll tell you anyhow, since I feel an accusation of avoiding the question coming from that statement alone:

Quit.

Too simple? It always is.

there are two separate things here: beliefs and knowledge.

people can believe anything, but to aquire knowledge requires verifying a phenomena by repeated testing.

the (mature) athiest lacks a belief in god because there is no knowledge about god. aquiring knowledge about god is impossible because god, being unfalsifiable (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falsifiability), is untestable.

the thiest believes in god despite having no knowlege about god; this is called faith. a mature thiest understands and accepts that there is absolutely no evidence for the existence of god and admits to believing only on faith.



you can argue about theology and free will and god's plan all you want, but in the end it all boils down to beliefs, knowledge, and faith.

THANK YOU, I love you! And Surak!

Actually, I love My God. I can always count on coming here to watch a good thrashing of idiotic religious beliefs and their owners. :) I find it hilarious that they are so deluded as to not understand that their argument has been entirely destroyed.

You say your rejection of thought-control is personal? Really? Nobody introduced the notions expressed in Occam's Razor to you? There wasn't a large community of 'educated' people who support the utility of Occam's Razor, easing you into the 'superior' critical thinking? There weren't dozens upon dozens of man-made resources you have come across that attempted to explain various facets of existence? None of these resources influenced and shaped the way you think, feel, and operate as a human being?

If I told you how to end thought-control, and you concurred, you'd still be within a form of thought-control; relying on information passed to you by others rather than experienced information.

I'll tell you anyhow, since I feel an accusation of avoiding the question coming from that statement alone:

Quit.

Too simple? It always is.


How many times a day do you watch the Matrix trilogy?

"THANK YOU, I love you! And Surak!"

That's the second time somebody in here has told me they love me. You guys are awesome. :o

THANK YOU, I love you! And Surak!

Actually, I love My God. I can always count on coming here to watch a good thrashing of idiotic religious beliefs and their owners. :) I find it hilarious that they are so deluded as to not understand that their argument has been entirely destroyed.

please understand i wasn't saying all beliefs are equal. belief because of knowledge is admirable; belief without knowledge is not.

How many times a day do you watch the Matrix trilogy?

What the fuck does the Matrix have to do with what I posted? And by the way, I was tripping on DXM for all three parts...so I was too busy sitting there with my eyes shut watching the universe implode to be reborn every several seconds. Huzzah, Robotussin!

The only parts I recall were the red/blue pill discussion, and when those two albinos were walking through walls. Oh, and the kickin' rave scene where Neo went gay and fucked that transvestite. Oh, this other scene where Neo was in some room talking to the Colonel about the limitations of free will. Ah, can't forget when he gets his eyes removed and somehow manages to fly a fucking aircraft - that shit in a DXM trip had me asking myself, "How the fuck?" for like the next 5 minutes, then another 10 in the back of the theater after the movie ended. Overall, the movies had some good laughs, but I can't say I've based any philosophies off of them.

Oh, and the kickin' rave scene where Neo went gay and fucked that transvestite.

I must have missed that part, damn it! :mad:

I must have missed that part, damn it! :mad:

I think the shemale's name was Trinidad, or some shit like that. I wouldn't have touched that beast with a stick, let alone fucked it. *shudder*

please understand i wasn't saying all beliefs are equal. belief because of knowledge is admirable; belief without knowledge is not.

I completely understand what you meant.

I must have missed that part, damn it! :mad:

A little bullet time up the butt?