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23
2007-06-04, 23:30
That's right. Make an argument disproving God.

I was raised as a Catholic, but stopped going to church. My mom made a good point when she said something along the lines of, "I don't support organized religion because most of them don't respect women, and I don't think that God would want people kneeling down everytime a bell rings (Catholicism)."

I am on the fence right now. I could be an atheist, knowing that I can be a moral person without having God. But if there is a God, then I am fucked in the afterlife (if there is one).

What say you?

Obbe
2007-06-04, 23:38
Be agnostic.

avivsworld
2007-06-04, 23:40
Believe what you want. It deosn't really matter what you believe to anyone else (except the religious nuts and extreme atheists, both of which I dislike).

It's your life, you can choose how you want to live it. Asking your answers from an internet forum won't help you in the least, as people will just give you their own personal opinions.

23
2007-06-04, 23:41
^

I just want some good arguments, for or against atheism. More ideas and knowledge = more power.

boozehound420
2007-06-04, 23:48
well The next step one of my friends took was becoming a deist.

Why are you catholic and not muslim, jewish, hindu, sikh, etc. etc. They all believe in god, what made you decide the catholic version of god is the right one and believing in that one will get you into heaven. Christians, muslims and jews all believe your going to hell for being catholic.

So who is right? Well i say nobody is right. Its all a crock of shit attempt to control the masses.

When my religious friend figured that out, he still believed there HAS to be a creator. Something cant come from nothing, we dont understand it through science so it must be god bla bla bla. But soon after he realised well if it was god then where did god come from. And if there is a creator theres no chance 'it' is worried about a few half asses monkeys on a small planet around an average sun.

So after that he said fuck this whole shit, II refuse to believe in something that has no evidence or reasoning too, beyond a play with words and human understanding.

I went through a similer thought trail but i started out neutral. You being worried about being punished in the afterlife is a classic step for religious people. Just goes to show you how traumatizing the idea of hell can be to somebody.

Pilsu
2007-06-05, 00:36
You don't choose to believe, the entire notion is ridiculous. If you "believe" just in case there's repercussions for not doing so, you're just trying to bullshit God. Do you think you can bullshit God Tim?

mvpena
2007-06-05, 00:59
I can make you an Atheist. I just need these items:

knife
rope
duct tape
paper bag with Angelina Jolie's face on it
shitty techno music
8 7 foot tall black menYou'll be denying God's existence in no time.

Rizzo in a box
2007-06-05, 01:23
You're already an atheist, or at least you think you are. You're just too scared to admit it and want to hide behind something.

mindovermusic
2007-06-05, 01:52
arguments against god, good ones I mean are few and far between. There is plenty o' evidence against specific deeds or the like but proof the big guy doesn't exist is about as common as proof he does. So research, look at every religion, I've studied most major religions and still nothing clicks with me. So instead of looking for a cope out of religion, look for one, and you'll be likely not to find it, and then you have your wish of being atheistic.

AngryFemme
2007-06-05, 02:08
But if there is a God, then I am fucked in the afterlife (if there is one).


You're worried about what will become of you in the "afterlife". Seems you're a long, long way from being without God. In fact, it sounds like you're still carrying God around in your knapsack, ready to pull him out at the last minute if it could possibly save your ass.

Take a load off: Stop preceding all your moral decisions with the god-related IF?.

23
2007-06-05, 02:31
You're already an atheist, or at least you think you are. You're just too scared to admit it and want to hide behind something.

yeah. good call. +1 rep for you.

truckfixr
2007-06-05, 03:59
Becoming an atheist is not acheived by a conscious decision.Think about it. Did you actually have to decide whether or not to believe in Santa or the Tooth Fairy? No, of course not. When you reached an understanding of the impossiblity of the attributes they are said to possess, you came to the realization that they don't exist. The same goes for atheism/theism. One doesn't look at all the evidence for/against God's existance, and then decide what to believe. One comes to the realization that one does/does not believe in a God.

KikoSanchez
2007-06-05, 04:10
That's right. Make an argument disproving God.

Disproving god is not really possible. God's existence is non-falsifiable, just as is the existence of anything which can't be experienced. The same, I can't DISPROVE the existence of a purple monkey on the other side of the moon, I simply don't hold any belief regarding god. Why hold any belief in something when you have nothing whatsoever to base it on? The onus is on those who believe.

Surak
2007-06-05, 04:16
There's nothing to indicate a God exists. If you're convinced otherwise by whatever inane apologetics (clue: the designation apologetic) the religionists spew at you, then you're simply gullible or aren't paying attention.

If an infallible, omni-bloody-everything supernatural entity created humanity, he could have done far, FAR better both mentally and physically speaking.

Lamabot
2007-06-05, 04:26
Listen to Clawfinger - Two sides

In all seriousness just consider the ridiculous nature of a god of every religion. i.e. Would a loving god create a place where he can cast vengeance of you for the rest of your "life"? (Yes it's vengeance, the purpose of punishment to teach a lesson and "I will send you to hell for not believing in me, heh that will teach you, I bet you won't do that again!" does not sound like punishment exactly.)

AngryFemme
2007-06-05, 05:02
Beautifully put, truckfixr!

truckfixr
2007-06-05, 12:33
Thank you, kind ma'am.

Rizzo in a box
2007-06-05, 19:21
Becoming an atheist is not acheived by a conscious decision.Think about it. Did you actually have to decide whether or not to believe in Santa or the Tooth Fairy? No, of course not. When you reached an understanding of the impossiblity of the attributes they are said to possess, you came to the realization that they don't exist. The same goes for atheism/theism. One doesn't look at all the evidence for/against God's existance, and then decide what to believe. One comes to the realization that one does/does not believe in a God.

Of course becoming an atheist is a conscious decision, it is not a true state of being, it is just something that you call yourself. Then can be no material proof for God without faith, and if you do not have faith than you have trust issues.

AngryFemme
2007-06-05, 19:26
if you do not have faith than you have trust issues.

atsthay ullshitbay...

Sorry, I just left your pig latin thread. Hard to snap out. :D

I believe - no, I'm certain that one can be without faith, yet fully capable of trusting.

Signed,

Living Proof

mindovermusic
2007-06-05, 19:32
Just because you can trust doesn't mean you can't have trust issues.
You can have huge issues trusting members of the other sex for example, and still completely trust your own. Its just selective. But I agree with you, I don't have trouble trusting, I just have trouble believing. I can't mistrust something I don't think is there.

AngryFemme
2007-06-05, 19:47
I can't mistrust something I don't think is there.

It's not even a matter of "trust". It's a matter of what I'm comfortable believing. I trust my dad, but if he told me there were faeries in his boots, I wouldn't believe him.

mindovermusic
2007-06-05, 19:51
I agree
there is a logical limit between trust and gullibility

Rizzo in a box
2007-06-05, 20:18
It's not even a matter of "trust". It's a matter of what I'm comfortable believing. I trust my dad, but if he told me there were faeries in his boots, I wouldn't believe him.

So you don't trust your Dad, you trust your view of reality, and anything that fits in with it you trust, anything you don't is thrown out the window.

If you can sign yourself as living proof for your "trust", can I sign myself as living proof of God?

signed,

living proof.

AngryFemme
2007-06-05, 20:24
So you don't trust your Dad, you trust your view of reality, and anything that fits in with it you trust, anything you don't is thrown out the window.

If you can sign yourself as living proof for your "trust", can I sign myself as living proof of God?

signed,

living proof.

I didn't say I didn't trust my dad. I said I didn't believe his account. I'd trust him with my life, beyond a doubt. But I wouldn't believe his story about faeries.

Yes, I trust my own view of reality. Yes, it's apt to change at any given moment, and no, you may not sign yourself as living proof of God, except for in jest.

Rizzo in a box
2007-06-05, 20:30
I didn't say I didn't trust my dad. I said I didn't believe his account. I'd trust him with my life, beyond a doubt. But I wouldn't believe his story about faeries.

Yes, I trust my own view of reality. Yes, it's apt to change at any given moment, and no, you may not sign yourself as living proof of God, except for in jest.

If you do not trust HIS view of reality, why would you trust him to save you? What if he thinks the faeries are his masters, and that you are the enemy? Would you trust him then?

signed,

living proof of god

just, jest?

AngryFemme
2007-06-05, 20:40
If you do not trust HIS view of reality, why would you trust him to save you? What if he thinks the faeries are his masters, and that you are the enemy? Would you trust him then?

signed,

living proof of god

just, jest?

I could never argue it to the point of you believing me, because you're just not *in the circle*, so to speak - but I would trust him, unconditionally, with my life. Regardless of faeries, and regardless of how much control said faeries had over him. See, I'm not a complete and utter skeptic! I believe in the power of LOVE :)

Also, we don't operate on "his view of reality" and "my view of reality". We're just not that uber-philosophical with one another. I feel comfortable predicting how he would act in a situation regarding me because I am certain of his love for me.

Questionable? Maybe to you. But I'd bet my left tit on it.

Signed,

Spoiled Daughter of the Worlds Greatest Dad

---Beany---
2007-06-05, 20:46
But I'd bet my left tit on it.


Yo, what are the odds?

AngryFemme
2007-06-05, 21:00
Yo, what are the odds?

Highly in my favor, else I'd never wager. I've grown quite attached to it over the years.

;)

truckfixr
2007-06-05, 21:35
Of course becoming an atheist is a conscious decision,...

Sorry, but no. Belief, or the lack thereof, is not a conscious decision. One cannot consciously force himself/herself to decide what to believe, any more than he/she can consciously force themself to decide who they fall in love with.

... it is not a true state of being,...

Wrong again:

State 1) Having belief in god/gods.

State 2) Lacking belief in god/gods.

... it is just something that you call yourself.

Wrong yet again. Atheism describes the state of one's belief.

Then can be no material proof for God without faith,...

100% Dead On Target!!
There can be no material proof for anything that does not exist. Faith(belief without/in spite of evidence) merely allows one to lie to one's self as to what constitutes genuine evidence.

... and if you do not have faith than you have trust issues.

I hold neither faith nor trust in that which I cannot believe exists.

glutamate antagonist
2007-06-05, 22:36
Here are a few quick convincers:

Understand circular logic?

Do you believe in science? Evidence and all that?

"Why do you believe god exists?"

"The Bible says so."

"Why do you believe the Bible is right?"

"Because it's the word of God."


Test every argument by replacing words with nonsensical ones. The "maximally great" argument, for example, can be replaced with "maximally smelly" and still has the same bounds of 'logic'.

Want some argument ad populum?

Several polls placed scientists at between 97% and 80% atheists, IIRC. Google.

Atheists officailly have lower crime and divorce rates than the religious.

If you want reading, http://www.ebonmusings.org/atheism/index.html is brilliant. Nearly every angle is covered.

So you don't trust your Dad, you trust your view of reality, and anything that fits in with it you trust, anything you don't is thrown out the window.

If you can sign yourself as living proof for your "trust", can I sign myself as living proof of God?

signed,

living proof.

Of course you can sign youself as living proof of anything. It's just a matter of whether we trust you enough, i.e. more than logic or reason, that we believe it :)

mindovermusic
2007-06-05, 23:10
Uhhh truckfixr. I'm not sure what mindframe you work in, but if I want myself to believe something, I will. Humans have a fuck lot of control over their thoughts. I've convinced myself of memories by tricking people into agreeing with them, and then I forgot I made it all up, so I'm not sure if things actually happened or it was an easy elaboration/exaggeration of what actually happens. If I decided to believe in god today, tomorrow I will whole heartedly scream my profound belief in god from atop buildings. I just don't feel like believing cuz it doesn't make sense to me. Or that might just be more proof then you needed of my insanity.

truckfixr
2007-06-05, 23:50
Well, mindovermusic. What can I say? Far be it from me to accuse you of lieing or of being insane. If you say that you can do so , I'll take you at your word. I do however, tend to believe that you are the exception, not the rule.

No offense intended, but have you considered seeking professional help? ;)

mindovermusic
2007-06-05, 23:53
many times.
I was clinically depressed most of my childhood but hated my doctor too much to get diagnosed, I went through all the tests with my therapist and shit. So I developed mentally a lot differently. I think most people have that kind of mind control, they are just less aware of it, or don't use it as much. I remember reading somewhere that people make up memories, but I might have made that up, but I doubt it.

truckfixr
2007-06-06, 00:14
You didn't make it up. I've read articles on the subject in the past.

mindovermusic
2007-06-06, 00:34
I didn't think I had. So remembering that, do I still sound so crazy? Or am I just more aware of a process that occurs in most people? I don't actually know. I love being crazy, it makes me feel special.

truckfixr
2007-06-06, 01:00
I have serious doubts that you are "crazy" in any way. I do, however, suspect that you may be a tad outside the norm in your thought processes.

mindovermusic
2007-06-06, 01:21
you're right.
unfortunatly.

Dark_Magneto
2007-06-06, 11:21
That's right. Make an argument disproving God.

You can't disprove something that was never proven to begin with. There is no proof to dispell.

People uncritically accept religions by and large, yet demand that others prove a negative. Nobody can disprove purple hippopotamuses in deep space that eat chips. They can show how it's logically absurd - borderline insane even, but there's no disproving it. That doesn't offer any compelling reason to believe in them either.

With that said, what would be the criteria for falsification of the proposition that there is a God? In other words, if there wasn't a God, how could one show that?

Well formed, objective statements about reality usually have some criteria of falsification. If the statement "There is a God." doesn't have any criteria for falsification, then there are reasons to think that the statement is not a well-formed, objective statement about reality.

I will expand a bit on my above point.

What I'm asking is this. What would it take to prove that there was no God?

"If you can show "_______", than that would be evidence against their being a God."

If you can't fill in that blank with some criteria, then the statement that there is a God seems to be without content since no matter what the evidence was, you would still believe in a God.

The credibility of a religion depends on the justifiability of its truth claims. There are three basic criteria we commonly employ to determine the validity and truthfulness of a worldview. These criteria affirm that in order for a religion to be true it must be: Logically consistent - Factually Verifiable - Existentially Livable. It is meaningless to say that reality is beyond logic or that religion is a matter of faith and devoid of reason for this very statement presupposes logic.

I am on the fence right now. I could be an atheist, knowing that I can be a moral person without having God. But if there is a God, then I am fucked in the afterlife (if there is one).

"That which blocks you is worthless fear.
The enemy is one, you are one.
What is there to fear?
Cast off your fear!
Look forward!
Go forward!
Never stand still.
Retreat and you will age.
Hesitate and you will die."

It's a trap. It is a poison for your mind designed to scare you into submission. It's ancient psychological terrorism. I say "Fuck that shit". If there was some supernatiral deity with comic book-like super powers that designed reasoning, intelligent creatures yet demand that we abandon those faculties when drawing conclusions about the world, then threaten us by proxy (using other men with agendas, of course) with eternal totment if we don't fall in line - that's nonsense. I'd sooner go to hell than side with an absolute monster like that.

Ask yourself, what does that sound more like - something real and actual, or some shit people made up to psychologically terrorize people into submission? Because that's exactly what it is - terrorism. Only with a real terrorist, the worst they can do is torture and kill you. With a supernatural terrorist, it never ends.

If you cave in to fear, you lose. Frank Herbert said it best in his novel "Dune":

"I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain."

What say you?

I say don't fall for Pascal's Sucker Bet (http://www.jhuger.com/pascal).

It's short, so read the whole thing and then decide if you want to take the wager at the end. If you don't, then apply that reasoning consistently in your life.

Dark_Magneto
2007-06-06, 11:37
I didn't think I had. So remembering that, do I still sound so crazy? Or am I just more aware of a process that occurs in most people? I don't actually know.

Read George Orwell's "1984" and you'll see exactly what you're talking about taken to an extreme that perhaps you never even imagined.

I love being crazy, it makes me feel special.

Yeah, but you're not crazy. At least not in this context. You just understand something that most people go their entire lives oblivious to.

chickendash
2007-06-06, 17:57
You're already an atheist, or at least you think you are. You're just too scared to admit it and want to hide behind something.

Richard Dawkins said we're all atheists for most gods, some of us just go one god more.

AngryFemme
2007-06-06, 18:27
I believe it was Woody Allen who said:

"To you, I'm an atheist. To god, I'm the Loyal Opposition."

Punk_Rocker_22
2007-06-06, 19:35
How do you know a flying purple donkey didn't create the world 10min ago? As an all powerful being, he was able to create the universe, everything in it, everyone you know, and all of your memories. He did it, just 10min ago. You think I'm making this up? I'm actually a prophet. He implemented these ideas inside of me. It's my destiny to alert to world.

Even if there was "proof" of God, you can't prove that the purple donkey didn't place it there, or that the event really happened and it wasn't just implemented in your brain by the great purple donkey.

Perhaps it was a blue duck that eats only ketchup.

You can't prove god and you can't disprove god. The same applies to Allah, the flying spaghetti monster, and everything else.

The solution? Stop caring about religion, just abolish all of it. Its irrelevant.

Even if there is a god, I haven't see any miracles of divine power lately. If there is a god, he really doesn't give a shit about us. Why should we care about him?

Besides, the Christian god is pretty fucked up. He's killed millions of people, not including the flood with Noah. What about hell? God created everything, including hell and the devil. God decides where the person goes after life. There are people who I love, no matter what they do I could never condemn them to eternity of suffering. This god fellow is a real asshole. Who elected him? No one. It's a dictatorship. He's an annoying little kid on a power trip.

"Even if god really existed, it would be necessary to abolish him."

"if God existed, only in one way could he serve human liberty - by ceasing to exist. "

Suppose I'm wrong. Suppose there really is a God. You said, "But if there is a God, then I am fucked in the afterlife (if there is one)." Guess what? You're fucked either way. If the Christians have it right; not believing in God will get you sent to hell and believing in God simply because you don't want to go to hell will get you sent to hell.

"Man would in deed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death." - Albert Einstein

Rizzo in a box
2007-06-06, 19:38
Richard Dawkins said we're all atheists for most gods, some of us just go one god more.

Richard Dawkins is a fool. I believe in all gods and all religions, but I believe there is an ultimate God and only He is fit for worshipping. Why stop at anything less than perfect?

truckfixr
2007-06-06, 20:41
Richard Dawkins is a fool. I believe in all gods and all religions, but I believe there is an ultimate God and only He is fit for worshipping. Why stop at anything less than perfect?


And Dawkins is the fool?

---Beany---
2007-06-06, 23:12
Make me an atheist

Only God can make you an atheist.

hoaxe
2007-06-07, 03:58
That's right. Make an argument disproving God.

I was raised as a Catholic, but stopped going to church. My mom made a good point when she said something along the lines of, "I don't support organized religion because most of them don't respect women, and I don't think that God would want people kneeling down everytime a bell rings (Catholicism)."

I am on the fence right now. I could be an atheist, knowing that I can be a moral person without having God. But if there is a God, then I am fucked in the afterlife (if there is one).

What say you?

no, god will not judge you by whether you beleive in him or not, only by the actions you make during you life time. so be a good person. and if it turns out we're wrong and there is a god, he will judge us not by the beliefs we held but rather by the decisions we make.

athiests can be good people too and in that's what really matters.

on a side note, i'm a full blown atheist and if i had to give you my personal and biased opinion, it would be this: don't worry about being wrong - just do what's right.

oh yeah, and this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcAq9bmCeR0

AngryFemme
2007-06-07, 04:00
Only God can make you an atheist.

That was beautiful, Beany. Just beautiful.

Rizzo in a box
2007-06-07, 05:03
And Dawkins is the fool?

Yes, that is what I said.

Where is your confusion?

truckfixr
2007-06-07, 05:13
Only one of us here is confused , and it is not I.

You stated that you believe in all gods and all religions. That assertion contradicts reason.

Most religions believe that the god they worship is real, and that all others are false. You cannot logically believe in all religions at the same time.

Sadly, my friend. It's you who are confused.

AngryFemme
2007-06-07, 05:15
What makes Dawkins such a fool, Rizzo? Him being a biologist? A zoologist? A successful author? A decent communicator? A science professor? A much-in-demand lecturer and public speaker?

....or is it just that his views happen to oppose yours?

:rolleyes:

Fascismo
2007-06-07, 05:39
Your mom is an atheist for all the wrong reasons and you are likely to be too.

LordoftheRingsandDrugs
2007-06-10, 06:31
Most people follow the religion in which they were raised.

-They KNOW they are right, because of where they were born.

That right there should be enough.

The Floyd
2007-06-11, 18:47
You can't disprove god in the same way you can't disprove fairies. But because there's no evidence for either that doesn't mean that either exists.

'Course, there's supposedly more 'evidence' for god than fairies, but then most of that can be cut through to be shown as idiotic and ridiculous.

It's amazing how many people are religious without actually questioning why there is a god, they just take it as a given.

Clifford the Big Red Bong
2007-06-13, 22:45
That's right. Make an argument disproving God.

I was raised as a Catholic, but stopped going to church. My mom made a good point when she said something along the lines of, "I don't support organized religion because most of them don't respect women, and I don't think that God would want people kneeling down everytime a bell rings (Catholicism)."

I am on the fence right now. I could be an atheist, knowing that I can be a moral person without having God. But if there is a God, then I am fucked in the afterlife (if there is one).

What say you?

why not be agnostic or something?

i believe that just looking at what we know, there is not enough evidence either way. life almost seems to good to have come about on its own, but at the same time theres not any substantial proof of anything beyond what we are experiencing now.

my personal belief is that there is some kind of afterlife. i think all religions seem too rediculous to be real, but i think there must be more to life than we currently understand.

i dont really think about it too much though. either way, the purpose of life is obviously just to focus on living it, not what may or may not be out there. if there is a god, theres no way it would ever send a being to suffer forever, for any reason. its too long and complicated to explain but trust me when i say its a stupid stupid idea. so dont let anything like that infulence your life. live life how you want to, dont even think about what comes after. ultimately it doesnt matter. just try to be a good person for the good of humanity, and enjoy life :)

arx
2007-06-13, 23:12
Don't know if anyone is still reading this, but:
If Yahweh (your god) exists, then he's most definitely the kid with a magnifying glass. Who else would send moral, intelligent and logical people to 'hell' for not 'believing' in them?
Heaven, should it exist, is the haunt of ex-cons and soccer-moms; do you really want to chill with that crowd ad aeternum?

As has been stated before: there is as much evidence disproving god as there is proving him, that is to say there's none. And, as I hope has been mentioned, who's to say this pond isn't a puddle formed in a pothole in the interstellar highway? For no rhyme nor reason other than bad cosmic maintenance.

arx_

Zonko
2007-06-13, 23:33
First, clearly you and your mother don't understand Catholocism properly, as is made obvious from the way you speak of it.

Secondly read a few books rather than asking on an Internet forum if you really want to learn more about religion, thiesm, athiesm, dieism, anti-thiesm, non-theism, alternative religions, etc. The bible and a couple of Richard Dawkins books along with a touch of Darwin is a fast track course.

AngryFemme
2007-06-14, 02:15
Secondly read a few books rather than asking on an Internet forum if you really want to learn more about religion, thiesm, athiesm, dieism, anti-thiesm, non-theism, alternative religions, etc. The bible and a couple of Richard Dawkins books along with a touch of Darwin is a fast track course.


Throw in some Dan Dennett and Robert Wright, for good measure.

Pilsu
2007-06-14, 03:36
life almost seems to good to have come about on its own

What is it then that makes life so grand or good? Or did you just mean stupendously complex?

asthesunsets
2007-06-14, 04:03
Ok, imagine if you will, a banana. it is perfectly shaped for the human hand to hold. so maybe god made it just for people to hold, peel, and see. but look at all these lame fruits that arent like that. whats up with plantains, can a nigga get a soda here or what. i mean think about picking strawberries. you might as well say since they taste good, god wants you to have sticky red hands all the time. i think my point is there is no good argument that ive ever heard for the existence of god.

countdown2chaos
2007-06-16, 02:39
read my, my religion thread...

i poop in your cereal
2007-06-21, 19:40
Dunno if anyone has said this yet, but here goes.

Find your own reasons, find out what YOU believe in.
I was raised a Atheist. I still am.
But until I found out why I didn't believe in god, I was just as blind and ignorant as all the brainwashed christians etc.

Do you own research, think about it, find out what you believe in, and most importantly, why. Just buying what other people has to say is 'bad' no matter what it is.

Hawk705
2007-06-22, 05:52
I was raised Christian but during the beginning of the year I really started to question my faith and after a pointless time of "I don't know"; I decided to become athiest..I am alot happier being one and it really is a relief not having to worry about every sin I commit..You only get one chance in life as far as I'm concerned so why not live it? And for the religious fanatics (sp?) It doesn't make since trying to convince people to believe in something that you don't know exsist..You may say that you have faith, but just define faith.. Faith is believing without proof.. The same way kids believe in Santa Claus or the Easter Bunny..No one knows if God is real and what does it matter? theres more proof of science than there is of God..

the9file
2007-06-23, 05:23
There is absolutely no way anyone can either conclusively prove or disprove the existence of God. Attempting to argue either way is futile, and when faced with this question I chose to accept the fact that no one can really know the answer.

Rather than devoting my entire life to disproving the existence of an eternal creator or trying to gain his acceptance, I have decided that it is more worthwhile to enjoy life, act morally and work to improve the lives of others here on Earth while we are all still alive. There are enough problems on this planet today that need attention without people getting preoccupied with what will happen after they leave and letting these problems grow.