if religion causes genocide, war, hatred, racism, subjugation of women and close-mindedness...if religion lies to people and scams them out of there money...and so on and so forth, why does everyone on totse hate it? i thought you guys admired that sort of thing.

What if, say christianity, was an intentional hoax to fuck over the world? Wouldn't then you think Jesus was the ultimate totsean?

cuz u tuch yerselph @ nite

:rolleyes:

Religion is a system of control.

Totseans do not like control.

Religion itself is not so bad, rather it is evil leaders and mindless sheep who are really evil.

Religion is a system of control.

Totseans do not like control.

unless the totsean himself is doing the controlling...

Religion is a system of control.

Totseans do not like control.

which is why some pple have a difficult time with some mods... >.>

unless the totsean himself is doing the controlling...

So then they have fun with that.

edit: lawl @ above ^^

Notice how all the people who say religion is bad are worthless hippies, stoners, and "scene" kids who will never amount to anything?

I think Christianity is great. God does lots of cool stuff for me. :)

Notice how all the people who say religion is bad are worthless hippies, stoners, and "scene" kids who will never amount to anything?

I think Christianity is great. God does lots of cool stuff for me. :)

seirously? should i trust u....ur rep is bad. u must be yanking my leg.

religion keeps stupid people in check.



people who believe they are smart seem to realy hate it.



Intelligent people don't give 3 fucks about what the rest of the world is doing. If you don't like it thats tough. Don't be a dumb fuck about it and leave people be.

I really have no problem with religion


just with the people that think that everyone should believe it and hear about it


if you wanna practice yourself go for it, but when you come to my door

que deicide, kill the christian

seirously? should i trust u....ur rep is bad. u must be yanking my leg.

Don't trust me, or anyone else.


Read the bible
Find out who the atheists are near you
Do your own research...


You'll see that I'm right.

if religion causes genocide, war, hatred, racism, subjugation of women and close-mindedness...if religion lies to people and scams them out of there money...and so on and so forth, why does everyone on totse hate it? i thought you guys admired that sort of thing.

What if, say christianity, was an intentional hoax to fuck over the world? Wouldn't then you think Jesus was the ultimate totsean?

Good point.

seirously? should i trust u....ur rep is bad. u must be yanking my leg.

You're a fag, your rep is lower than his, your grammer is worse than his, your point is 10 times worse than his.

Religion is just another way to separate you from him.
To make conflict, etc.
Fuck religion :)

EVERY religion.

Religion itself is not so bad, rather it is evil leaders and mindless sheep who are really evil.

Best post in thread.
{DA}

if religion causes genocide, war, hatred, racism, subjugation of women and close-mindedness...if religion lies to people and scams them out of there money...and so on and so forth, why does everyone on totse hate it? i thought you guys admired that sort of thing.

What if, say christianity, was an intentional hoax to fuck over the world? Wouldn't then you think Jesus was the ultimate totsean?

Its sooooooo bad cause humans made it up just out of pure fucking boredom, or lack of common sense.

Religion is a system of control.

Totseans do not like control.

unless the totsean himself is doing the controlling...

Indeed.

Religion is just another way to separate you from him.
To make conflict, etc.
Fuck religion :)

EVERY religion.

conflict is good.

conflict leads to war. and war is a catalyst for technological progress.

plus, people on totseans aren't for unity at all. totseans love conflict and take any chance to flame each other.

You're a fag, your rep is lower than his, your grammer is worse than his, your point is 10 times worse than his.

aw hot cute ^__^ someone has a crush teehee.

So I'm listening to Wintersun.

conflict is good.

conflict leads to war. and war is a catalyst for technological progress.

plus, people on totseans aren't for unity at all. totseans love conflict and take any chance to flame each other.

I KNOW YOU PIECE OF SHIT, JUST GTFO :mad:


AM I DOIN IT RITE? :P

So I'm listening to Wintersun.

This guy would get so annoying:
http://i-am-bored.com/bored_link.cfm?link_id=23667

My God.

Notice how all the people who say religion is bad are worthless hippies, stoners, and "scene" kids who will never amount to anything?

I think Christianity is great. God does lots of cool stuff for me. :)

Jesus thinks you're a jerk.

Religion discourages people from finding answers to questions themselves. It encourages them to believe that they already have the answers and to shun those that disagree. The time has long since passed for that childishness.

Notice how all the people who say religion is bad are worthless hippies, stoners, and "scene" kids who will never amount to anything?

I think Christianity is great. God does lots of cool stuff for me. :)

I thought only God is supposed to judge people. If youre really a christian, you would think of those people as Gods children and would be kind to them and show them the light right? But you call them worthless and try to put yourself above them by saying they wont amount to anything. Well...you just revealed who you are in a small group of words and now noone can benefit either way from your mindless ranting. Good job.

Indeed. Atheists who think religion is harmful are as diverse as, well, atheists in general. I'd also point out that Richard Dawkins, Carl Sagan and others are brilliant scientists, about as far from whiny emo kids as one can get.

Religion discourages people from finding answers to questions themselves. It encourages them to believe that they already have the answers and to shun those that disagree. The time has long since passed for that childishness.

off-topic question, not really trying to imply anthing:

inorder for you to believe say...the nature of a chemical reaction, would you only believe it once you conducted the expirement yourself, or would you take a chemistry book's word for it.

"off-topic question, not really trying to imply anthing:

inorder for you to believe say...the nature of a chemical reaction, would you only believe it once you conducted the expirement yourself, or would you take a chemistry book's word for it."

While textbooks can become outdated and sometimes have omissions or errors in them, yes I would probably believe the chemistry book assuming it's relatively recent. Such books normally (at least they should, normally) have references for the information presented in them so that I can corroborate what the book is telling me. Worst comes to worst, I can ask some chemists.

Religion is bad because it's a bunch of people claiming to know God on some personal level when not a single human in all history has even sat down for lunch with the O.G. Would you entrust a woman to the point of marriage if you knew absolutely nothing about her? Well, most religions encourage that sort of faith in the O.G.; and because all of them are well aware how dumb it is to believe all their fantastical attributes and stories they apply to their narrow view of God, they pretend as if their faith in some anthropomorphic super-Daddy has truly benefited their life.

Religion encourages beliefs in fantasy and ultimately tears people away from the beautiful inner peace and harmony that exists when one doesn't see God as some external lawman that strikes down anyone who doesn't believe as you do.

Well said!

Well said!

Domo. It's been a minute since I was able to make an attack on the theists' side of religious living.

Domo. It's been a minute since I was able to make an attack on the theists' side of religious living.

Way to bring the balance back! Feather in your cap.

Religion is a system of control.



So true

Organized religion is not just a system of control, it is the system of control. It's a poison for your mind. It's like Dr. Strangelove said about doomsday devices. The entire point of it is to tell everyone and produce a fear of doing anything that would trigger it. That's what religion essentially is, on a psychological level.

It's so great because once you get past the initial indoctrination, it's autonomous. The people do the policing to themselves. They just need the occasional reminder to remain on track, which is why we have churches, moswues, synagogues, and all other manner of ecclesiastical institutions

It's so great in fact that there are other systems of control build upon the initial system of control that is organized religion. Just look what it's done with politics, for instance. Vote Republican or you're going to hell.

God does lots of cool stuff for me. :)

No, I'm responsible for all the good things that happen to you

See? You can't disprove that either but it's easier to believe God does it than I. Somehow it's ridiculous that I'd have magic powers to do such things with but it's plausible if some magic man who has never ever manifested himself in any way does it

aw hot cute ^__^ someone has a crush teehee.

I noticed how you giggled like a faggot. What the fuck? "Teehee".

No wonder you named yourself after a fucking pokemon.

I noticed how you giggled like a faggot. What the fuck? "Teehee".

No wonder you named yourself after a fucking pokemon.

That's it get upstairs and get to bed!!

I noticed how you giggled like a faggot. What the fuck? "Teehee".

No wonder you named yourself after a fucking pokemon.

LOL, but you recognized the pokemon. I'd say that puts you two on equal footing.

I noticed how you giggled like a faggot. What the fuck? "Teehee".

No wonder you named yourself after a fucking pokemon.


d00d hes a fucking holo!!! but shit four fucking energys for a shitty attack? I'll stick with my Kadabra-Hitmonchan haymaker, thank you.

*post break to seperate joke post from serious*

Religion is a system of control. Do totseans enjoy control? I've seen totseans have utterly diverse systems of viewpoints. I doubt that many of the atheists totseans would enjoy control on the same level as the idea of god. Most totseans are probably joking when we're particularly brutal. I dobut every time we tell someone to huff raid we expect them to. Also, BI nubs != totse.

Control is inherent in religion. Its like the handles on a shopping bag. Maybe they dont' always get picked up, but they're still there for anyone who can lift the bag.

Atheism is superior to religion, because those handles just aren't there. You can say whatever you want about it being the fault of the people who pick up the handles, but if the handles aren't there, then it CAN'T be picked up. Its that simple.

d00d hes a fucking holo!!! but shit four fucking energys for a shitty attack? I'll stick with my Kadabra-Hitmonchan haymaker, thank you.

*post break to seperate joke post from serious*

Holos suck ass, only the third grade kiddies want them. Hitmonchan is fucking retarded looking alien thing with a spiked forehead and boxing gloves. I swear to god, the next person that mentions pokemon is going to get their fucking throat ripped out.

*makes a hate thread for pokemon in B&M*

Religion is a system of control.

Totseans do not like control.

flood control man, gotta hate it...

oh and if you can't figure out that religion is a hoax then you're the kind of people it keeps in check. Totse is about the truth and if you can leave the forum everyday just a bit smarter, then totse still has a definitive purpose. And the truth is, religion is for idiots.

Totse is about the truth

Arguable. Totse is about truth-seekers, collaborating together in a big pot of Truth Stew which threatens to boil over at any given second.

if religion causes genocide, war, hatred, racism, subjugation of women and close-mindedness...if religion lies to people and scams them out of there money...and so on and so forth, why does everyone on totse hate it? i thought you guys admired that sort of thing.

What if, say christianity, was an intentional hoax to fuck over the world? Wouldn't then you think Jesus was the ultimate totsean?

i thought you were going somewhere intelligent at first.

in any case i feel all religion is stupid. all have their good points, but i feel they all take away from why we are truely here.

but then again believing in a religion may be part of the reason you personally are here at this time, so i dont know, its not really doing any harm outside the middle east so its all good :)

its not really doing any harm outside the middle east so its all good :)

*Lifts the rock that Clifford has been living under*

Read much history?

It's not so much religions themselves but the people who propagate them. Often they try to rid the world of different religions. Also many crimes against humanity are done under the guise of religion. The crusades weren't about religion, they were about control and power. The popes wanted more power over the Kings, and engaging them in a "holy" war would help bring about the conditions for them to gain more power. The whole catholic church structure was pretty fucked up. The bloodlines of Roman Senators and Catholic Popes were one in the same. The only reason Christianity became so popular anyways was because Emperor Constantine realized an alarming portion of Rome, especially the military was Christian. He was essentially playing to the crowd to make sure he would retain his power and it also gave him "reasoning" for any major decisions he'd want to make.

My major beef with Christianity is that it was forced upon so many people and often destroyed their cultures and religions (see Europe, South America, and these days.. Africa). Though these types of areas end up having the most sensible forms of Christianity, compared countries which were Christian from the start (say Scandinavia compared to America).

Besides that, often religions core beliefs are in conflict with reality. Christianity just plain reeks of egalitarianism which is in complete opposition of nature (see natural selection). Sorry kids, we aren't all equal. This even shows within the christian church itself. If man was created equal than why are priests, popes, cardinals, etc in positions of power?

Also, point of view a lot of religious people have that bothers me is that they think one cannot be spiritual without also being religious. This is just completely false. It's also disheartening how many religions go unmentioned in favor of only listing the Judeo-Christian (this includes Islam) and Eastern religions. You never see Odinism, Zoroastrianism, Hellenic Polytheism, Satanism, Sikhism, etc on surveys and what not.

Arguable. Totse is about truth-seekers, collaborating together in a big pot of Truth Stew which threatens to boil over at any given second.

agreed - mmm truth stew...

Arguable. Totse is about truth-seekers, collaborating together in a big pot of Truth Stew which threatens to boil over at any given second.

The pot is boiling over constantly. And I would say a lot of totseans don't actively seek the truth, a lot just defend their truths and seek to expand the reaches of those truths. Trueborn Vorpal is a good example of the firsts, NS&H is a good example of the second.

Would you entrust a woman to the point of marriage if you knew absolutely nothing about her?

I take it you've never been married. :D

If man was created equal than why are priests, popes, cardinals, etc in positions of power?


Man may be "created" equal, but I'd venture to guess that the equality ends just as soon as they slip out of the birth canal and begin vying for their place in the world. Whether it be the mother's breast milk and undying affection, or the respect and reverence of their peers in later years - man will seek to gain as much notoriety as possible, using whatever means necessary to position themselves in a state of power. Priests, popes, cardinals and ministers are no different in that aspect than politicians, professors or corporate CEO's.

He who possesses the most ability wins. Being in a position of authority in the church allows them to serve their god to the utmost of their ability, while still feeding the pulsing powertrip that puts them "above" others.

It seems to me like this process is necessary, because for every man who resists being reigned over, there are likely hundreds of others who prefer having some sort of leadership authority to guide them in the right direction. And what better way to inch yourself closer to a seemingly untouchable, unreachable God than to obey the rules set forth by his appointed flesh-and-blood minions?

Man may be "created" equal, but I'd venture to guess that the equality ends just as soon as they slip out of the birth canal and begin vying for their place in the world. Whether it be the mother's breast milk and undying affection, or the respect and reverence of their peers in later years - man will seek to gain as much notoriety as possible, using whatever means necessary to position themselves in a state of power. Priests, popes, cardinals and ministers are no different in that aspect than politicians, professors or corporate CEO's.

He who possesses the most ability wins. Being in a position of authority in the church allows them to serve their god to the utmost of their ability, while still feeding the pulsing powertrip that puts them "above" others.

It seems to me like this process is necessary, because for every man who resists being reigned over, there are likely hundreds of others who prefer having some sort of leadership authority to guide them in the right direction. And what better way to inch yourself closer to a seemingly untouchable, unreachable God than to obey the rules set forth by his appointed flesh-and-blood minions?

I agree, doesn't really take away from my argument, although I'm not sure if you mean to or not. Your last sentence further shows it. There is a commandment which commands to never put any god, person, icon, etc in front of god. The bible does say to obey your earthly rulers but much of catholicism seems to go overboard with it, with the iconic veneration of saints and popes and what not. You also point out that their God seems untouchable and unreachable. Such beliefs lead to really alienated and isolated concepts of what God is, what good is, and what humans are. Personally I see religions which view "God" as a part of humanity, nature, and the universe itself as more healthy.

Another harmful aspect of Christian beliefs I'd like to bring up is that of the afterlife. When one believes in the afterlife, they often lose sight of what is really important, and that is life. This is harmful to the person themselves, their families, friends, peers, and the environment around them. Evangelicals for instance don't give a shit about the earth as all they are focused on is getting into heaven. In this case, they take it further to another harmful aspect which is constantly trying to convert other people to their religion. It is so ethnocentric and disrespectful that it makes me sick. Unless someone is seeking out your faith, don't bombard them with it.

I take it you've never been married. :D

You know I haven't. And I'd atleast wait until I met someone I thought I knew. :P

It's not so much religions themselves but the people who propagate them.

From my point of view(being an atheist). The people who propagate them, are the religion.

I agree, doesn't really take away from my argument, although I'm not sure if you mean to or not. Your last sentence further shows it.

I appreciated your commentary. Far be it from me to take away from it. I was merely expanding on it using my own observations.

Please, carry on. You clearly have lots to share. :)

You know I haven't. And I'd atleast wait until I met someone I thought I knew. :P

Hex:
Know what the #1 cause of Divorce is in America?

.....

MARRIAGE!
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as usual

let's split human history into three parts :
1- we were animals
2- we were animals but we were getting intelligent
3- we are still animals but can now actually think and effectively use reason

now it's this:
in part 1 we invented religion to explain the uenxplainable
in part 2 we accepted religion because we were haunted if we didn't.plus the common human didn't have time o think or speech freedom
in part 3, religion is a mind control for a lot of people, but some of us (many already) actually realized it was just bullshit