Thank God that only 56% of Atheists and Agnostics actually think like this, but still, it is slightly the majority of them. If pressed to state what they think about religion they say that "All Religions are alike" All Religions say the same thing" "Or they are all as dangerous", kind of ignoring basic logic and common sense, that the chances of religions being alike or the same are very slim.

So these moral relativists watch a documentary like 'Jesus Camp' and become convinced that radical Christianity is as threatening or as dangerous as radical Islam. Kind of forgetting the Hamas training camps for little budding Jihadists, or that footage of a 12 year old boy sawing the head off of an insurgent in Afghanistan. To these strange bunch of atheists and agnostics, the little girl with her hands clasped in prayer in Jesus Camp is the same as the picture below. The irony, is that they think the kids are being indocrinated without studying the effects on themselves after watching the biased film.

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/images/kids_jihad.jpg

Inquisition

Thank God that only 56% of Atheists and Agnostics actually think like this

I just had to laugh. Was that intentionally funny?

omg,,LOL i had to laugh at that link,so serious,its like such a oxymoron almost to see kids with guns,,,i mean cmon,,who gives a kid a gun if i a personw as to sneak up on them u just go whack over the head and take the kids gun

seriously....

They're both symptoms of the same problem. Some religions are worse than others, but they are all flawed because they are based in irrational bullshit and basic human stupidity.

lol, I do think it is quite funny, but it has a point to it. Anything that becomes too radical can be dangerous.

The Spainish Inquisition, the Crusades, the KKK, widespread slaughter of Native Americans....It'll take about a century of Islamist violence until it grasps the title of bloodiest religion in history. And there are examples of Jewish terrorism to, like the bombings in British-mandated Palestine and the work of the Kahanist JDL. And Islam hasn't gone through the Reformation that Xianity has, and a majority of Islamic clerics are poorly informed and ill-trained, and their is no authority, (Caliphate) in Sunni Islam, not to mention....fuck it, Jeebus, please learn more than a 1/10 of the facts before making judgements okay?

All religions ARE alike. They are not congruent, though.

So these moral relativists watch a documentary like 'Jesus Camp' and become convinced that radical Christianity is as threatening or as dangerous as radical Islam
Rightfully so. They have the potential to be violent.


Hating people based on what they believe is the most disgusting thing I know.

Radical = Crazy

Inquisition

You refuted the OP in one word. However, although Christianity has shown itself to be just as dangerous as Islam in the past, it has for the most part been significantly moderated by secular influences. I haven't seen Jesus Camp, but Christianity is a huge problem here in the USA...regardless of whether or not Islam is a worse problem on a global scale.

As for indoctrination, I have evidence (video tapes) that Jesus Camp did exist and of many of the things that went on there. Do you have any evidence to support the notions that 1) Christ is the only way to heaven everyone else goes to Hell, 2) Christ was sent here by god, 3) Christ resurrected, 4) Christ was born of a virgin, 5) That god exists, 6) That the bible is the word of god? Now about that irony...

Thank God that only 56% of Atheists and Agnostics actually think like this, but still, it is slightly the majority of them. If pressed to state what they think about religion they say that "All Religions are alike" All Religions say the same thing" "Or they are all as dangerous", kind of ignoring basic logic and common sense, that the chances of religions being alike or the same are very slim.

So these moral relativists watch a documentary like 'Jesus Camp' and become convinced that radical Christianity is as threatening or as dangerous as radical Islam. Kind of forgetting the Hamas training camps for little budding Jihadists, or that footage of a 12 year old boy sawing the head off of an insurgent in Afghanistan. To these strange bunch of atheists and agnostics, the little girl with her hands clasped in prayer in Jesus Camp is the same as the picture below. The irony, is that they think the kids are being indocrinated without studying the effects on themselves after watching the biased film.

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/images/kids_jihad.jpg

I havent seen this film.

and first let me stop you. agnostics have nothing to do with atheists.

its unfortunate that christians place this false statement of being "evil" and "wrong", just because they dont believe in the same thing.

true agnostics don't put any religion out of the question, but wont believe until something happens to them (i.e. devine intervention which they believe came from a source)

not to forget Christianity spread so far from the result of bloodshed... just what Islam is doing now...

right now, extremist Islam is dangerous.
but in the middle ages it was Christianity.. this is a wide known fact.

its similar to how the "Royal" family came to be.

needless to say, im agnostic. currently, i do not believe in any organised religion.. i believe/trying to find my own personal religion that makes sense.

So please dont place judgment and bias toward others just because your church said they were "bad", or "evil"...

the above paragraph is the very reason i do not want part is Christianity

Take for example "Paganism". they worship nature. one of the most peaceful religions on earth.. but Christianity flamed them because they didnt believe in jesus... now, as a product of this, whenever someone hears "Pagan" they automatically think it to be bad or an insult..

Brainwash my friend, its all brainwash...

this is why im agnostic..
(with out sounding wanky) im one with myself, i dont rely on an outside intervention to deal with my problems and sins... i step up and deal with them myself.

Jebus mic is a moron. ill remember that forever as i lurk totse.

All ideas ARE alike. They are not congruent, though.

All ideas ARE alike. They are not congruent, though.

I don't see ideas being as alike as religions are alike. Ideas are a more living, breathing thing, I think.

The Spainish Inquisition, the Crusades, the KKK, widespread slaughter of Native Americans....It'll take about a century of Islamist violence until it grasps the title of bloodiest religion in history. And there are examples of Jewish terrorism to, like the bombings in British-mandated Palestine and the work of the Kahanist JDL. And Islam hasn't gone through the Reformation that Xianity has, and a majority of Islamic clerics are poorly informed and ill-trained, and their is no authority, (Caliphate) in Sunni Islam, not to mention....fuck it, Jeebus, please learn more than a 1/10 of the facts before making judgements okay?

Only to the ignorant, will the above prove true. There's about 1,400 years of Jihad, what they did to Armenia, Byzantium, India, Iran, Central Asia, makes Darfur look like peacekeeping missions.

How many official Crusades were there? 14? Verses how many Jihads? I bet you don't have a clue. Just about every major Empire that called itself Islamic was involved in perpetual Jihad against infidels, but they didnt' attach Roman Numerals to it and their modern descendants certainly don't feel remotely guilty about butchering millions of hindus, buddhists, jews, christians, pagans, and the vast majority of Westerners are too dumb and short-sighted to call them on it.

and their modern descendants certainly don't feel remotely guilty about butchering millions of hindus, buddhists, jews, christians, pagans, and the vast majority of Westerners are too dumb and short-sighted to call them on it.

Why?
I get the impression you're Christian.
Do you feel guilty that your ancestors or your religious predecessors did the same thing? 'cause they did. Christians have been just as violent and warlike as Muslims have been, it's just that Muslims don't have the Vatican to tell people what to think.

Let's see...the colonization of the Americas. "Convert or die." The mass immigration of Native Americans. The Inquisition. The dark ages, man. Thousands of "savages" died during the dark ages. The witch hunt that took place in the young US. Plenty of other examples. Hitler, at one point, claimed Christianity. So can we attribute the Holocaust to Christianity?

Did you know that until the 1800s, prostitution was condoned by the church?
Did you know that the church has changed its position on whether or not hell is an actual place multiple times in the past several hundred years?
But you choke it down anyway. The church can tell you whatever it wants, and it'll seed and blossom, because there are so many sheep.

"Too dumb and short-sighted to see it"?

Why?
I get the impression you're Christian.
Do you feel guilty that your ancestors or your religious predecessors did the same thing? 'cause they did. Christians have been just as violent and warlike as Muslims have been, it's just that Muslims don't have the Vatican to tell people what to think.

I don't believe in collective guilt, that's absurd, I don't blame you for watching Atheists Communists kill more than a 100 million people. Atheists are a bunch of hypocrites, they sit there and try to suggests that people who speak out against Jihad are bigots, when in fact they HATE Christians and try to tell Christians that their religion is vile because of what christians did in the past, when it has nothing to do with them today. War is a general human condition that everybody has taken part in, including leftists, with nearly 2,000 years of history it's very possible that Christians might have done horrible things in those years, but the religion itself does not glorify it, it does not call for it. Unlike Islam, which actually celebrates Jihad, makes it a religious obligation. The problem with you is you can't separate the religion from the person.


Let's see...the colonization of the Americas. "Convert or die." The mass immigration of Native Americans. The Inquisition. The dark ages, man. Thousands of "savages" died during the dark ages. The witch hunt that took place in the young US. Plenty of other examples. Hitler, at one point, claimed Christianity. So can we attribute the Holocaust to Christianity?


Let's just keep this simple so that you would have a hope of understanding.

1) Christianity condones none of that, there's nothing at all in Jesus' teachings that suggests that's what Christianity should be about.

2) Islam is very different from Christianity, because Mohamed lived a very violent and dogmatic life.


"Too dumb and short-sighted to see it"?


More like to biased and hateful, not to mention hypocritical. That's why you lash out, at folks who want to talk about the Jihad threat, you're "offended" that since the "crusades" occured, people who happen to be Christian but are being victimized by Jihadists have no right to talk about being victimized.

I don't believe in collective guilt, that's absurd, I don't blame you for watching Atheists Communists kill more than a 100 million people

You think all Atheists are Stalinist? You are a joke, you over-generalize goddamn everything. Just because we are smart enough not to be Creationists doesn't mean we are all reds you ignorant dumbass.

Let's just keep this simple so that you would have a hope of understanding.

1) Christianity condones none of that, there's nothing at all in Jesus' teachings that suggests that's what Christianity should be about.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XheGeqAQbW8 sorry, try again

You think all Atheists are Stalinist? You are a joke, you over-generalize goddamn everything. Just because we are smart enough not to be Creationists doesn't mean we are all reds you ignorant dumbass.

Would you agree then that not all Christians are the Spanish Inquisitors or the Crusaders?

One doesn't need to be a Crusader to fuck up other people's shit.

One doesn't need to be a stalinist to fuck up other people's shit.

Would you agree then that not all Christians are the Spanish Inquisitors or the Crusaders?

Yes. But I would also agree that religion is too often a divisive force that places otherwise potential friends against one another.

Ethanel, yes we can [rightly] blame the "Holocaust" to Christianity.

Hitler claimed he was doing God's work with dealing with the Jews, etc.

He was a fundamentalist, he had the blessings of the Pope, had Germany embrace Christianity more heavily and place Christianity in schools, allow Corporal Punishment in Schoolos, prayer in the state, etc.

don't blame you for watching Atheists Communists kill more than a 100 million people. Ranges

Someone please fuck his argument up on the USSR.....

when in fact they HATE Christians and try to tell Christians that their religion is vile because of what christians did in the past, when it has nothing to do with them today.They still do te same shit today, I wonder the Atheists and Agnostics are pissed off at them if they see Christianity (now the US) doing the same shit.

Less than half of the US thinks Evolution is a fraue.

War is a general human condition that everybody has taken part inCare to post examples of Buddhists forcing people to convert to their faith.

Or the Romans or Greeks forcing that?

Or the Persian Empire (OMG IRAN ISLAMIC JIHAD!!!! in the past)

Oh, remember the Bible Quotes. Christianity glorifies war as well

I'm an atheist, and I think there's wisdom in all religions.

Summary at the bottom.

Jebus, I'd first off like to ask you to put a bit more thought into your argument so we could actually have a cognitive discussion instead of first having to refute almost every single one of your shortsighted point *sigh* here goes...

Your basic premise (that was implied) is that radical atheism (and somehow you managed to throw agnosticism in there as well) is detrimental to society. This is false. I will analogize traditional theism (Islam, Christianity, Judaism) to burning money. Religion wastes money, it builds multi-million dollar temples and churches instead of giving to the poor, one of Christ's (and admittedly most prophets') most basic teachings. But not only that, religion is a waste of the time spent to burn that money, and not only that, but it indoctrinates children to burn that money and to spend that time since childhood. But wait! There's more! Traditional theism criticizes anybody with a different method of burning their money, that is, if you burn from the bottom left, you are an infidel, if you burn with a lighter instead of a bunsen burner, you must be killed so that we may reclaim the land of bunsen burners and methane...

I think we can all agree that this is ridiculous, and atheists only profess that no matter how one burns the money, no matter how much happiness such a delusion grants, there's no excuse for wasting money and time on a delusion that somehow, wasting this money and time would get you into an eternal afterlife of pure bliss (that would probably feel like shit anyway). Atheists, however, are not against those who spend their personal time in pretending to burn that money because it grants them happiness.

The holocaust cannot be directly attributed to Christianity no matter how much most atheists would like to shove it in their faces, although it did play an integral part.

Your Stalin argument is fucked up beyond belief, and I can't belive that you would even begin to claim something like that, you've obviously spent next to nothing on these forums, but if I must disprove it, here goes... Stalin did not kill in the name of atheism, while Christianity with its Crusades and its Inquisition (and Muslims with their 9/11) did. Simple as that, Crusade was to reclaim the holy lands and gain converts, Inquisition killed Jews that maintained PRIVATE practice of their religion. Stalin, and atheists in general have no problem with people who practice private spirituality for happiness. In fact, I meditate on a daily basis because it grants me spiritual bliss, and if this was a Stalinist nation, such practices would not be outlawed because they harm nobody.

Summary:
Religion taken to a radical extreme is bad for everybody. Atheism to an extreme would not harm the true nature of religion (spirituality), although it would definitely do everything in its power to stop the waste of time, resources, and intellect that comes along with traditional religion.

Care to post examples of Buddhists forcing people to convert to their faith.


Buddhist Mongols forcing Muslims to convert. And the Burmese government's repression of their 2 million Muslims.

And why the fuck did you put quotations on the Holocaust? You are an embarrassment to the Palestine Right of Return movement you stupid fuck.

I am atheist, yet I agree that all religions are NOT equal, just as all ideas are not equal. There is definetly a difference to be made between a religion which is strictly taught to be spread by the sword, a la Islam and one that strictly does not believe in conversion, a la Zoroastrianism...but it stands true here that the good guy finished last.

Zoroastrianism: The religion that didn't sell out.

Buddhist Mongols forcing Muslims to convert. And the Burmese government's repression of their 2 million Muslims.


Okay, thank you. But I think Burma is simply doing that to oppress minorities, they are doing the same with ethnic minorities, etc so it's not much of a religion oppressing in Burma

And why the fuck did you put quotations on the Holocaust?

Meh.....

You are an embarrassment to the Palestine Right of Return movement you stupid fuck.

Care to explain dipshit?

And yes, you are a Shitty Wok. Your name fits

religion isn't the problem, radicalism is.

And yes, you are a Shitty Wok. Your name fits

Well your a fucking idiot who thinks the Holocaust was faked. Racist douchebag.

Well your a fucking idiot who thinks the Holocaust was faked. Racist douchebag.

And where have I said that I supported Holocaust Revisionism/Denial/whatever you call it dipshit.

And where have I said "racist" things...

EDIT: and where the fuck do you get off criticizing people's thoughts. Asshole

EDIT 2: and that you're an annoying, bleeding cunt....

And where have I said that I supported Holocaust Revisionism/Denial/whatever you call it dipshit.
....

You put Holocaust in quotations, implying that you find it to be suspect. Fucking stupid 12-year old.

You put Holocaust in quotations, implying that you find it to be suspect. Fucking stupid 12-year old.

ZOMG I QUOTE WORDS SAID BY OTHER PEOPLE AUTOMATICALLY I DENY IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So first you claim that I deny it, then I suspect it?

Get your story straight, dumb-ass.

Fucking Retard...

While Christianity may be a problem when it comes to the advancement of science, it is nowhere near the threat to the world that Islam is.

Your basic premise (that was implied) is that radical atheism (and somehow you managed to throw agnosticism in there as well) is detrimental to society. This is false.



That's not my basic premise at all. What I'm questioning is why 56% of Atheists and Agnostics; feel the need to portray Christians in the worse ligth possible. Alexandra Pelosi is making documentaries that portray Christians as odd balls, or somehow unhinged, when for every Ted Haggard there's 10,000 decent folks just going about their business. You know you belong in that category, those who believe falsely that somehow Christianity is such a great threat to this country, equal to or greater than Al Qaeda, or Hamas, or that the camps Christian kids go to is just like Hamas Jihadists Toilet Training, or that it's just like a Madrasta. That's so bogus. This isn't so much about Atheists this, or Agnostics that, it's why you feel the need to attack Christians?




But wait! There's more! Traditional theism criticizes anybody with a different method of burning their money, that is, if you burn from the bottom left, you are an infidel, if you burn with a lighter instead of a bunsen burner, you must be killed so that we may reclaim the land of bunsen burners and methane...


I think it's a little more complex than a matter of burning. It's not just about turning left or right, some of the things we do have moral consequences. And the only places of worship who still rant about killing lighter users have those cool minarets on top of them.



I think we can all agree that this is ridiculous, and atheists only profess that no matter how one burns the money, no matter how much happiness such a delusion grants, there's no excuse for wasting money and time on a delusion that somehow, wasting this money and time would get you into an eternal afterlife of pure bliss (that would probably feel like shit anyway). Atheists, however, are not against those who spend their personal time in pretending to burn that money because it grants them happiness.

Man this analogy makes no sense right? Anyways, once you believe, it's impossible to look back and go back to unbelief, it's so worthless, and pointless. You want to be a pimple in time, have your existential crises, that's fine with me I guess, that's how you want to be. The thing with you guys though, is that when you know you are going to die, how many of you actually remain Atheists? And if not who are you going to be calling out too? I think it's sad, you spend most of your life desively criticizing believers, when in end you'll probably go that route too. Anyways, I've been an atheists before, sighting the same reasons you guys do, probably arguing it better too. But I grew out of Middle School and figured out that Dinosaur books and fossils doesn't really tell you much.




Your Stalin argument is fucked up beyond belief, and I can't belive that you would even begin to claim something like that, you've obviously spent next to nothing on these forums, but if I must disprove it, here goes... Stalin did not kill in the name of atheism, while Christianity with its Crusades and its Inquisition (and Muslims with their 9/11) did.

I will say it, because you want to argue that Christians are Crusaders and Inquisitors. Well then Atheists are budding Stalinists and Pol Pot groupies. Atheism is as dangerous as any other system of thought.... You people want to sit around, throw names and accuse, but can't handle it yourself. Atheism have done a lot of moronic and violent things. Also things that are murder you simply don't count as murder. So since Atheists don't think a fetus is alive ,it's ok to support killing it.


Simple as that, Crusade was to reclaim the holy lands and gain converts, Inquisition killed Jews that maintained PRIVATE practice of their religion. Stalin, and atheists in general have no problem with people who practice private spirituality for happiness. In fact, I meditate on a daily basis because it grants me spiritual bliss, and if this was a Stalinist nation, such practices would not be outlawed because they harm nobody.



Crusades originated because of Muslim Jihads. But Muslims don't number their Jihads (probably because there's so many in history). You don't know anything about the Inquisition. If you were in a Medieval Village you'd probably join in a witch hunt, which is why an Inquisitor was called in to see if a person was a witch or not. More often than not, a person was cleared, but of course we're talking about superstitious people and some were killed. In other words the Inquisition called by the Pope was a Medieval way to create a system of trial, in a time period when peasants were still killing anyone they suspected of witchcraft, which by the way predates Christianity.

The Spanish Inquisition was completely different. As it was meant to deal with Conversos Jews and Muslims who were forced into Christianity. What they don't tell you about is that more than a few of the Conversos accused of Heresy, were turned in by other Jews who had some grudge against the Converso who used to be Jewish.

While Christianity may be a problem when it comes to the advancement of science, it is nowhere near the threat to the world that Islam is.

Middle Eastern Muslim Arabs keeping astronomy info and tech while Europe was in technological stupor in many ways

That's not my basic premise at all. What I'm questioning is why 56% of Atheists and Agnostics; feel the need to portray Christians in the worse ligth possible.
Perhaps if you cite, I might be able to give some credence to this, it's actually quite obvious, and if you could read a shred of information here before making your own conclusions, you'd know this answer already, but again I have to fucking explain everything to you... Christians tend to force their beliefs on others, they waste money, time, and resources, they force their moral authority on the nation, and all in all, they're just a bunch of theocratic fascists in general. Note this is in general, but if you want more detail, look it up, there are scores of threads that ask what atheists' problem with Christians is.
Alexandra Pelosi is making documentaries that portray Christians as odd balls, or somehow unhinged, when for every Ted Haggard there's 10,000 decent folks just going about their business.

Bullshit. According to livescience.com, 40% of all Christians believe themselves to be fundamentalists. That means they preach, they sing to Jesus, and they force their morals upon the nation, not to mention the fact that they vote as a bloc for the first dumbass to proclaim his faith (Carter anyone?). I'd say a good 50% of Christians just don't care about religion, and go to church on Easter and Christmas. This leaves 10%, which I'll leave unclassified, so no; at best, there are 5 decent people for every four Ted Haggards.
You know you belong in that category, those who believe falsely that somehow Christianity is such a great threat to this country, equal to or greater than Al Qaeda, or Hamas, or that the camps Christian kids go to is just like Hamas Jihadists Toilet Training, or that it's just like a Madrasta.

Even Oprah says that Christian radicalism is as bad as Islamic Jihadism... now you're not going to argue with oprah are you? But in all seriousness, yes Christianity is a threat to this country, I only wish I had categorized a dozen threads for you to see why, since almost every single one is filled with excellent reasons for the hatred towards Christians. Christianity certainly is a threat to America, although I will admit, there are atheists that blow things out of proportion, but the basic fact remains.

That's so bogus. This isn't so much about Atheists this, or Agnostics that, it's why you feel the need to attack Christians?
Read the goddamn thread title again, if you want to know why atheists hate Christians, use the search tool and enlighten yourself, then get back to me, there are literally dozens of threads about why; you should try to look up the answer to your question before you waste everybody's time with useless shit.
I think it's a little more complex than a matter of burning. It's not just about turning left or right, some of the things we do have moral consequences. And the only places of worship who still rant about killing lighter users have those cool minarets on top of them.
But surely they don't have such large moral consequences that you need to kill your fellow man over them, didn't Jesus teach to live in harmony? It is more complex than burning, I just decided to use a simple metaphor so that you could wrap your head around it, since you have yet to comprehend even the slightest bit about the general hatred towards Christians, I mean, for Christ's sake, I would think that somebody with your experience would know to look something up, or at least the answer to such a simple question. You fail.
Man this analogy makes no sense right? Anyways, once you believe, it's impossible to look back and go back to unbelief, it's so worthless, and pointless.
Wrong... Christianity is a waste of time and money, and its direct effects can be traced to various societal ills such as illegal immigration, terrorism, warfare, poverty, and global warming (to a lesser extent)... Christianity has long outlived its purpose. Once you believe in what? Christianity? Lol give me a fucking break.
You want to be a pimple in time, have your existential crises, that's fine with me I guess, that's how you want to be. The thing with you guys though, is that when you know you are going to die, how many of you actually remain Atheists?
*raises hands into air* Ya got me boy... :rolleyes: I know I will be doing no such thing, but even if I did, I'd sooner pray to [insert god here] than to the Christian God, considering how damn near everything about Christianity is ridiculously wrong to such a degree that atheists have difficulty understanding how people don't see past the bullshit. You know who did this tactic you described? Voltaire... If I'm placed into the same category for saving my ass before death, then I'll be proud to be with such people of stature and intellect that refuse to acknowledge mysticism and pray just in case (although I repeat, that I won't be praying to God on my deathbed). Atheists/Agnostics only pray on their deathbeds because Christianity has the largest influence over their lives, most countries which have large atheist populations have a Christian majority.
And if not who are you going to be calling out too? I think it's sad, you spend most of your life desively criticizing believers, when in end you'll probably go that route too.
Anyways, I've been an atheists before, sighting the same reasons you guys do, probably arguing it better too. But I grew out of Middle School and figured out that Dinosaur books and fossils doesn't really tell you much.

Wow, your really know a lot about atheism, seriously man, who are you to judge what we're going to do on our deathbed, on the other hand, it's probably you who will be laying on your deathbed thinking of the time you wasted to your precious opiate. Probably not, but it includes your same logic (none, that is).

Great logic you have there, since dinosaur books can't all be right... DING! Theism... oh, btw, we're not all middle school teenies who just gave up on traditional theism, it'd be nice if you took the time to discover something for yourself instead of judging the peaceful atheists.

I will say it, because you want to argue that Christians are Crusaders and Inquisitors. Well then Atheists are budding Stalinists and Pol Pot groupies. Atheism is as dangerous as any other system of thought.... You people want to sit around, throw names and accuse, but can't handle it yourself. Atheism have done a lot of moronic and violent things. Also things that are murder you simply don't count as murder. So since Atheists don't think a fetus is alive ,it's ok to support killing it.
Not that they ARE crusaders/inquisitors, but merely to point out the fact that this is what happens when religion is taken to an extreme (note I cited Islam as well). Bullshit, atheism is peaceful, and regardless of what anybody thinks, Stalin did a lot of good for Russia that could not have been achieved through many other means.--FACT. Also, note that since both Stalin AND Hitler had a moustache, then Geraldo Riviera MUST be evil, this is how fucked up your logic is because atheism had nothing to do with Stalin's domestic policy of industrialization. Also note that King Leopold II killed more people than Stalin, but you don't see me citing this because again, he didn't do it in the name of Christianity. People with moustaches have also done a lot of violent and moronic things, even though they didn't do them in the name of moustaches, come on man, just because somebody subscribes to a naturalistic philosophy doesn't mean they want to kill everyone for the good of community and industry. There is no relation between atheism and desire to kill, in fact, most atheists have better morals than theists (and prison statistics prove this). I think a fetus is alive, but it's all a philosophy anyway... and who are you to tell me what's alive and what's not if there's not a clear cut line... atheists are just usually liberals, and that's why most of them are pro-choice. (statistics show a direct correspondence between intelligence, leftism, and atheism).



Crusades originated because of Muslim Jihads.
Not even close... your whole argument falls apart from this one statement, and I refuse to argue the Crusades because you obviously don't know what you're talking about... here's a quote to prove my point:

The Crusades were a series of military conflicts of a religious character waged by Christians during 1095–1291, most of which were sanctioned by the Pope in the name of Christendom.[1] The Crusades originally had the goal of recapturing Jerusalem and the sacred "Holy Land" from Muslim rule.
Holy fucking shit, I didn't know you could be so wrong.

If you were in a Medieval Village you'd probably join in a witch hunt, which is why an Inquisitor was called in to see if a person was a witch or not. More often than not, a person was cleared, but of course we're talking about superstitious people and some were killed. In other words the Inquisition called by the Pope was a Medieval way to create a system of trial, in a time period when peasants were still killing anyone they suspected of witchcraft, which by the way predates Christianity.

Nope, Inquisition only refers to four types (according to Wiki), none of which has to do with witches. SOME were killed? No, look up the statistics, this is far worse than 9/11, worse than Iraq, the witch hunts were terrible years, and the clergy did nothing but condone them. Spare me the history lesson and write something productive.

The Spanish Inquisition was completely different. As it was meant to deal with Conversos Jews and Muslims who were forced into Christianity. What they don't tell you about is that more than a few of the Conversos accused of Heresy, were turned in by other Jews who had some grudge against the Converso who used to be Jewish.

Yes I already knew that, you'd be surprised how much atheists know :p... Regardless, the Inquisition would have been bad had it originated in any religion, it created new mechanisms of torture, it destroyed a domestic economy, and it killed thousands... seriously, what religion would condone that? Atheism doesn't sanction the destruction of other religions, much less other atheists who believe in a different flavor of athieism.

"Not even close... your whole argument falls apart from this one statement, and I refuse to argue the Crusades because you obviously don't know what you're talking about... here's a quote to prove my point:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wikipedia
The Crusades were a series of military conflicts of a religious character waged by Christians during 1095–1291, most of which were sanctioned by the Pope in the name of Christendom.[1] The Crusades originally had the goal of recapturing Jerusalem and the sacred "Holy Land" from Muslim rule.
Holy fucking shit, I didn't know you could be so wrong."

You read one fucking article from those non credentialists over at wikipedia and your suddenly an expert on history? Youre a fucking moron smarter people (who know what they are talking about) that I listen to on a daily basis and literally has a library of books says the Crusades were started by the mulims and the Crusades you know and the ones they teach in schools were just the counter Crusades, so who am I going to trust some nobody on totse (who most of the time have no fucking clue what they are talking about) or a man with a Ph.D who is well known I think Ill go with the man with the Ph.D.

My advice to you is to actually know what your talking about, stop listening to those frauds at wiki, and read some books.

BTW Im not saying the Crusades were justified in fact I believe they were completely stupid and started by people more fraudulant then the people over at wikipedia but dont say that its christianity's fault because chatholics are hardly christians.

"Not even close... your whole argument falls apart from this one statement, and I refuse to argue the Crusades because you obviously don't know what you're talking about... here's a quote to prove my point:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wikipedia
The Crusades were a series of military conflicts of a religious character waged by Christians during 1095–1291, most of which were sanctioned by the Pope in the name of Christendom.[1] The Crusades originally had the goal of recapturing Jerusalem and the sacred "Holy Land" from Muslim rule.
Holy fucking shit, I didn't know you could be so wrong."

You read one fucking article from those non credentialists over at wikipedia and your suddenly an expert on history? Youre a fucking moron smarter people (who know what they are talking about) that I listen to on a daily basis and literally has a library of books says the Crusades were started by the mulims and the Crusades you know and the ones they teach in schools were just the counter Crusades, so who am I going to trust some nobody on totse (who most of the time have no fucking clue what they are talking about) or a man with a Ph.D who is well known I think Ill go with the man with the Ph.D.

My advice to you is to actually know what your talking about, stop listening to those frauds at wiki, and read some books.

BTW Im not saying the Crusades were justified in fact I believe they were completely stupid and started by people more fraudulant then the people over at wikipedia but dont say that its christianity's fault because chatholics are hardly christians.

Catholics are hardly Christians....an unnamed and unspecified person is a better source than Wikipedia....well failed sam, well failed.

Catholics are hardly Christians....an unnamed and unspecified person is a better source than Wikipedia....well failed sam, well failed.

I specified enough for you and I cant name him because you dont think hes credible (mostly because of his politics) and it is irrelevant and wikipedia is a shit site for facts because THEY DONT HAVE CREDENTIALS so go read a book.

I specified enough for you and I cant name him because you dont think hes credible (mostly because of his politics) and it is irrelevant and wikipedia is a shit site for facts because THEY DONT HAVE CREDENTIALS so go read a book.

Wikipedia provides sources, unlike you. You think the earth is 6000 years old, lol.

Wikipedia provides sources, unlike you. You think the earth is 6000 years old, lol.

Sources sometimes dont mean shit fyi.

You bring up the same thing every time you lose an argument, lol.

Sources sometimes dont mean shit fyi.

You bring up the same thing every time you lose an argument, lol.

Sources don't mean shit? Sources are everything, without them you are just talking out of your ass...which you usually do. The only reason I bring up the fact that you believe the earth is 6000 years old is to humiliate you, it has nothing to do with the argument. You simply have no credibility on any issue, I doubt anyone on totse respects anything you say.

Sources sometimes dont mean shit fyi.

You bring up the same thing every time you lose an argument, lol.

Sorry, I'll cite another source.

I know a very famous guy personally who had been very controvertial, especially in the past year, he also has a Ph.D, in history, and he claims that he is absolutely sure that the crusades were started by Christians. He has a foundation set up to study this fact. He has also had contact with aliens from the Sirius sector, he has a direct relationship with God and he lived as The Buddha in his prior life. Now who are you going to believe, this unspecified person, or your unspecified person, it's obvious that Wikipedia is a better source than both because they provide more than one source, I can cite other encyclopedias if you wish as well, Wiki's just the most common and often quoted.

Sources are everything, because the man in the prior example is fictional, and hence not a source, and legit sources are required for consideration of any argument, yours may be true, but at the same time, without specifying who this is, and without providing a written statement of his views (or something similar), you're just talking out of your ass, and your example is as useless as mine.

Seriously, GTFO/STFU since nobody listens to you and you're another Christian troll, compare my record to yours... Me=Helpful, you=unknown in the red.

Go back to church since nobody's listening to your bullslhit here, that's what Jesus would do.

Perhaps if you cite, I might be able to give some credence to this, it's actually quite obvious, and if you could read a shred of information here before making your own conclusions, you'd know this answer already, but again I have to fucking explain everything to you... Christians tend to force their beliefs on others, they waste money, time, and resources, they force their moral authority on the nation, and all in all, they're just a bunch of theocratic fascists in general. Note this is in general, but if you want more detail, look it up, there are scores of threads that ask what atheists' problem with Christians is.

There's not a group in this country that doesn't practice what you just said. Atheists don't waste money? Atheists don't force their moral authority of lack thereof on others? With competing ideologies there's bound to be friction, however that doesn't excuse deliberately being false. Saying things like Jesus Camp is just like Jihad Camp is absurd, and yes an awful lot of Atheists believe this comparison makes Zero sense as well. So the question was, why do as many as 56% of you believe this to be true? So far, I'm getting "56% of us Atheists think that Christianity is as much a threat as Islamic Jihadists because of the "crusades" and "Christians Waste Money"...

It's one thing for an Atheists to be at odds with a Christian, it is quite another to be deliberately misrepresenting and villainizing Christians.




Bullshit. According to livescience.com, 40% of all Christians believe themselves to be fundamentalists. That means they preach, they sing to Jesus, and they force their morals upon the nation, not to mention the fact that they vote as a bloc for the first dumbass to proclaim his faith (Carter anyone?).


Ohh no, how horrible they sing to Jesus!! That must make them Jihadists. I'm also sure that their meaning of Fundamentals isn't the same as yours. A Christian who is a fundamentalists could just be a Christian who sticks to the fundamentals of Christianity.




Even Oprah says that Christian radicalism is as bad as Islamic Jihadism... now you're not going to argue with oprah are you? But in all seriousness, yes Christianity is a threat to this country, I only wish I had categorized a dozen threads for you to see why, since almost every single one is filled with excellent reasons for the hatred towards Christians. Christianity certainly is a threat to America, although I will admit, there are atheists that blow things out of proportion, but the basic fact remains.


Man you're frothing at the mouth. There is no justification for HATE. You and others like you openly profess HATE and Bigotry towards Christians and then turn around and accuse Christians concerned about Jihad as Hateful Bigots, when in truth it is you and others like you who think it's valid for Atheists to HATE, I repeat HATE Christians. I'm always maintained this about you guys in here, I'm amazed that you're actually willing to admit it.



Read the goddamn thread title again, if you want to know why atheists hate Christians, use the search tool and enlighten yourself, then get back to me, there are literally dozens of threads about why; you should try to look up the answer to your question before you waste everybody's time with useless shit.


The Thread Title was the Strange Thoughts of Atheists and Agnostics, one which you have so eloquently proven with your insane, deranged ramblings. Thank you.

This board is probably just a sample of the differences between Christians and Atheists.

How many Atheists have actually said "I hate Christians" vs Christians saying I Hate Atheists???

Sources sometimes dont mean shit fyi.

You bring up the same thing every time you lose an argument, lol.

Sometimes I think there may be a little ray of hope for you Sammy. Then you say something stupid like this.

Explain to us how your not a brainwashed bible thumper again?

How many Atheists have actually said "I hate Christians" vs Christians saying I Hate Atheists???

Many less... Christians hate atheists MUCH more than the other way around...

Recent statistic:

From a telephone sampling of more than 2,000 households, university researchers found that Americans rate atheists below Muslims, recent immigrants, gays and lesbians and other minority groups in “sharing their vision of American society.” Atheists are also the minority group most Americans are least willing to allow their children to marry.

Even though atheists are few in number, not formally organized and relatively hard to publicly identify, they are seen as a threat to the American way of life by a large portion of the American public. “Atheists, who account for about 3 percent of the U.S. population, offer a glaring exception to the rule of increasing social tolerance over the last 30 years,” says Penny Edgell, associate sociology professor and the study’s lead researcher.

Edgell also argues that today’s atheists play the role that Catholics, Jews and communists have played in the past—they offer a symbolic moral boundary to membership in American society. “It seems most Americans believe that diversity is fine, as long as every one shares a common ‘core’ of values that make them trustworthy—and in America, that ‘core’ has historically been religious,” says Edgell. Many of the study’s respondents associated atheism with an array of moral indiscretions ranging from criminal behavior to rampant materialism and cultural elitism.

As opposed to 56% of atheists/agnostics, a statistic you have yet to cite a source for.

A cornerstone of blogs everywhere:

http://tinyurl.com/ysevww

Many less... Christians hate atheists MUCH more than the other way around...

Recent statistic:

From a telephone sampling of more than 2,000 households, university researchers found that Americans rate atheists below Muslims, recent immigrants, gays and lesbians and other minority groups in “sharing their vision of American society.” Atheists are also the minority group most Americans are least willing to allow their children to marry.

Even though atheists are few in number, not formally organized and relatively hard to publicly identify, they are seen as a threat to the American way of life by a large portion of the American public. “Atheists, who account for about 3 percent of the U.S. population, offer a glaring exception to the rule of increasing social tolerance over the last 30 years,” says Penny Edgell, associate sociology professor and the study’s lead researcher.

Edgell also argues that today’s atheists play the role that Catholics, Jews and communists have played in the past—they offer a symbolic moral boundary to membership in American society. “It seems most Americans believe that diversity is fine, as long as every one shares a common ‘core’ of values that make them trustworthy—and in America, that ‘core’ has historically been religious,” says Edgell. Many of the study’s respondents associated atheism with an array of moral indiscretions ranging from criminal behavior to rampant materialism and cultural elitism.

As opposed to 56% of atheists/agnostics, a statistic you have yet to cite a source for.

A cornerstone of blogs everywhere:

http://tinyurl.com/ysevww


First I was talking about the Board,

Some whacko made a rant about Hating Evangelists,
Someone said that Hate against Christians was JUSTIFIED,
and I've caught many others of your ilk in here make some ming booglingly hateful comments, whereas I don't recall any self proffessed Christian in here talking about how much they hate Atheists.

Here's your link, which you probably won't look at anyways. I don't know why you're arguing, you're solidly in that 56% rate who believe that Christians are just as likely to run around beheading people, and car bombing day care centers.

Beyond the bestseller lists, however, a new survey shows there is indeed a significant gap between Christians and those Americans who are in the "no-faith" camp. For instance, most atheists and agnostics (56%) agree with the idea that radical Christianity is just as threatening in America as is radical Islam. At the same time, two-thirds of Christians (63%) who have an active faith perceive that the nation is becoming more hostile and negative toward Christianity. ("Active faith" was defined as simply having gone to church, read the Bible and prayed during the week preceding the survey.)

http://tinyurl.com/2v6jtr

First I was talking about the Board,
Ah, my bad, but as you can already tell, things are quite polarized at &T.

Some whacko made a rant about Hating Evangelists,
Someone said that Hate against Christians was JUSTIFIED,
and I've caught many others of your ilk in here make some ming booglingly hateful comments, whereas I don't recall any self proffessed Christian in here talking about how much they hate Atheists.
True, &T atheist-Christian relations are the reverse of those in the real world, but this is largely due to the high polarization and vast majority (poll at the top of My God puts it at 60% last time I checked) that the atheists maintain over Christians. The point remains that Christians hate atheists more than the other way around in the real world, you are of course, correct in that it is the opposite on &T, sorry for the misunderstanding.

Here's your link, which you probably won't look at anyways. I don't know why you're arguing, you're solidly in that 56% rate who believe that Christians are just as likely to run around beheading people, and car bombing day care centers.
Christianity is relatively peaceful right now, but it certainly has the potential to turn violent really fast, especially if there's another conflict in the Middle east. I personally don't believe that radical Islam and radical Christianity are the same, but again, Christianity does have the potential.

Beyond the bestseller lists, however, a new survey shows there is indeed a significant gap between Christians and those Americans who are in the "no-faith" camp. For instance, most atheists and agnostics (56%) agree with the idea that radical Christianity is just as threatening in America as is radical Islam. At the same time, two-thirds of Christians (63%) who have an active faith perceive that the nation is becoming more hostile and negative toward Christianity. ("Active faith" was defined as simply having gone to church, read the Bible and prayed during the week preceding the survey.)
Interesting article, still more about the polarization of American society that is gradually tearing this nation apart... I guess it all depends on the degree of radicalism, in theory, radical anything (hypothetical situation with a high degree of radicalism) has the potential to slam planes into buildings, even say, radical love of cookies.

Well said.

Atheists are brainwashed.

Richard Dawkins and Brian Flemming are nothing more than cult leaders, they're cult simply has no God (much like Scientology, Wicca, or Buddhism).

Well said.

Atheists are brainwashed.

Richard Dawkins and Brian Flemming are nothing more than cult leaders, they're cult simply has no God (much like Scientology, Wicca, or Buddhism).

LOL yes atheists are the ones that go around brainwashing small children. You are a moron.

Atheists are brainwashed.


If by brainwashed, you mean "having washed their brains of fantasy, mysticism, folk tales and myth" ... then you're absolutely right.

The brain needs to be tidied up of unnecessary clutter such as that. If left hanging around too long, it takes on the characteristics of mold & mildew - it tends to spread rapidly, releasing unhealthy spores into the air that infects whatever it comes into contact with.

Many less... Christians hate atheists MUCH more than the other way around...

Recent statistic:

From a telephone sampling of more than 2,000 households, university researchers found that Americans rate atheists below Muslims, recent immigrants, gays and lesbians and other minority groups in “sharing their vision of American society.” Atheists are also the minority group most Americans are least willing to allow their children to marry.

Even though atheists are few in number, not formally organized and relatively hard to publicly identify, they are seen as a threat to the American way of life by a large portion of the American public. “Atheists, who account for about 3 percent of the U.S. population, offer a glaring exception to the rule of increasing social tolerance over the last 30 years,” says Penny Edgell, associate sociology professor and the study’s lead researcher.

Edgell also argues that today’s atheists play the role that Catholics, Jews and communists have played in the past—they offer a symbolic moral boundary to membership in American society. “It seems most Americans believe that diversity is fine, as long as every one shares a common ‘core’ of values that make them trustworthy—and in America, that ‘core’ has historically been religious,” says Edgell. Many of the study’s respondents associated atheism with an array of moral indiscretions ranging from criminal behavior to rampant materialism and cultural elitism.

As opposed to 56% of atheists/agnostics, a statistic you have yet to cite a source for.

A cornerstone of blogs everywhere:

http://tinyurl.com/ysevww





Nonsense, there is not one Christian Country that is cracking down on Atheists, the same cannot be said in places like China, N. Korea and Vietnam. In the real world Atheists hate Christians more, and in this board Atheists hate Christians more, because Atheists are largely brainwashed by dumb movies like Jesus Camp........ Christianity is probably the most persecuted religion in the World, in China if you're not officially sanctionced by the State you could get into serious trouble, and in Saudi Arabia you could downright lose your life. Atheists and Saudi Militant Jihad Botherers have that in common. It's time to stop mindless Atheists Hatred.




Christianity is relatively peaceful right now, but it certainly has the potential to turn violent really fast, especially if there's another conflict in the Middle east. I personally don't believe that radical Islam and radical Christianity are the same, but again, Christianity does have the potential.


Sure, in some sense Christians can be as dumb as Atheists. Christians are human beings subject to the same faults as anyone else.

The lesser of two evils is still evil.

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