Why are there even any Christians on totse?



Totse talks about the baddest things like drugs,sex violence,guns and how to make bombs and all kinds of shit..


Why would a Christian even want to be here?

Why are there even any Christians on totse?



Totse talks about the baddest things like drugs,sex violence,guns and how to make bombs and all kinds of shit..


Why would a Christian even want to be here?

Because they can compartmentalize and get on here to discuss killing babies, and then wake up the next morning and go to church.

I used to be a christian for 18 years, then as of February I gave it up. I still posted on totse well before then.

Because they can compartmentalize and get on here to discuss killing babies, and then wake up the next morning and go to church.

I used to be a christian for 18 years, then as of February I gave it up. I still posted on totse well before then.

I was a Christian all my life..But I gave it up at the beginning of the year..


It's such a relief to not having to worry about not going to hell..


Now all that shit doesn't even make sense..

I was a Christian all my life..But I gave it up at the beginning of the year..


It's such a relief to not having to worry about not going to hell..


Now all that shit doesn't even make sense..

It still makes sense to me, but I just don't believe it anymore. I understand why I believed it, and I think I understand why others believe in it - so it still makes sense.

As for not going to hell... it is a relief - but also it is a relief to be free from the mental chains that religion creates on any level (be it abstinence, bigotry, etc.)

It still makes sense to me, but I just don't believe it anymore. I understand why I believed it, and I think I understand why others believe in it - so it still makes sense.

As for not going to hell... it is a relief - but also it is a relief to be free from the mental chains that religion creates on any level (be it abstinence, bigotry, etc.)


Yeah religion does create mental chains.. Speaking of abstinence; remember going to church and seeing this one group that goes to different churchs and speaks to teens about abstinence.. haha talk about nerds..they had a video made that showed how this whole dudes life was ruined because he didn't wait till marriage..


Ha and they to much tv is bad..

If you were afraid of going to hell then you apparently were not Christian. It was either that or your church had some glaringly unsound doctrine. Christianity is based on the premise that faith is a gift given by the death and ressurection of christ for the sin of the world, the grace of God, that saves all men. Now this is what sets Christianity apart from all other religions in the world, grace. So ... if you are just now unafraid of hell then I do not think you were in a Christian church, and if you were then they were poorly misspoken. I feel no mental chains that are being spoken of here. I can think just the same as anyone else. Of course my presuppositions will be changed, but as for reaching an intelligent conclusion, I believe I am as able as any. As for the initial question, I am simply here in order to present the other side of the coin. It seems that most of the people here largely doubt God, especially the Christian God, so I figure I might as well answer as many questions as I can.

i was fairly sure i was a Christian. Then i starting reading in this forum. Now I'm fairly agnostic, but i still live the same way, cause i didn't really practice. I keep my moral and ethical beliefs however because i picked those up before i started knowing anything about Christianity. I didn't even go to church until i was 12 anyway.

God is a creation of the mind, not in reality. However, in death, your creation may become your reality and you'll wish you'd never created it, especially if your planning on having you body pumped full of formaldehyde and preserved like most. Christianity by default creates guilt in ones conscious whether forgiven or not, and thats a terrible thing to face in death.

...because Christianity (contrary to popular belief) isn't really about being good.

It's more about God knowing that we are incapable of being good all or even most of the time, and loving us for what we are instead of hating us for our sins.

If you lived a happy happy life till your 25 and then you choose to intentionally murder 5000 people and then you laugh about it and then you get killed very quickly....

I don't think you just dissapear into thin air of non-existance till the end of time. There must be some way that you get that pain and suffering you caused right back at you. Thus there must be an afterlife.

But sure, you can ignore this "balance" and say so what if he killed 5000 people, its allright. It sucks that they died.. meh, its the families and friends of the 5000's fault that they are mourning about their deaths. Why mourn over others right? so pointless. Who cares if they died, us humans are such a tiny tiny part of the entire universe that it doesnt matter at all.

Reincarnation offers a balance, so does afterlife, heaven and hell. Christianity supports this "heaven and hell" and its why people choose to believe.

well, ig im no longer christian? but i have my beliefs, and ive grown up christian and believed in it. and im going to have to say, they're just normal people...and to all the ones that talk about hell, you do know that not ALL christians believe in hell right? i didnt, n never did, and never will.
zaroaster created the "modernized hell" that we think of it today, and was adopted into juadism 300 years before christ, but when jesus talks about hell, he never mean an actual hell, he means a personal hell you create, and the more problems you have the further you push yourself away from God. such as, look at a HUGE drug addict, or a addict gambler, do they control their lives? no, not at all, therfore making it their own hell, but if they followed Gods laws and didnt get into that stuff they wouldnt have created their own hell because the laws of god led us away from that suffering.

If you were afraid of going to hell then you apparently were not Christian. It was either that or your church had some glaringly unsound doctrine.

Wrong. Morality just because of the "big camera in the sky" as Dawkins so eloquently put it, is an essential part of being Christian; it's definitely implied, and no denomination would dare teach it, but it is a byproduct of Christianity, most Christians are moral because they don't want to go to hell, and that's a fact of life...
Christianity is based on the premise that faith is a gift given by the death and ressurection of christ for the sin of the world, the grace of God, that saves all men. Now this is what sets Christianity apart from all other religions in the world, grace.
No, that is Protestantism... Catholics and Mormons believe that you are saved by faith AND good works, but I guess that once you are indoctrinated that your way is the only way, you tend to believe that Christianity encompasses your religion and none other... I know the way it is.

God is a creation of the mind, not in reality. However, in death, your creation may become your reality and you'll wish you'd never created it, especially if your planning on having you body pumped full of formaldehyde and preserved like most. Christianity by default creates guilt in ones conscious whether forgiven or not, and thats a terrible thing to face in death.

Thats interesting, so are you saying that when you die whatever you believed would happen you experience, as some last moment mental thing?

Wrong. Morality just because of the "big camera in the sky" as Dawkins so eloquently put it, is an essential part of being Christian; it's definitely implied, and no denomination would dare teach it, but it is a byproduct of Christianity, most Christians are moral because they don't want to go to hell, and that's a fact of life...

No, that is Protestantism... Catholics and Mormons believe that you are saved by faith AND good works, but I guess that once you are indoctrinated that your way is the only way, you tend to believe that Christianity encompasses your religion and none other... I know the way it is.

Mormonism is a cult and Catholicism has some questionable attributes.

The bible says you are saved by faith alone.

Ephesians 2:8-10
"For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— not by works, so that no one can boast. For we are God's workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do."

Wrong. Morality just because of the "big camera in the sky" as Dawkins so eloquently put it, is an essential part of being Christian; it's definitely implied, and no denomination would dare teach it, but it is a byproduct of Christianity, most Christians are moral because they don't want to go to hell, and that's a fact of life...

Well then they don't know much about the bible.

God won't send you to hell for being bad if you have faith in Jesus Christ. Likewise, without faith in Jesus Christ you can NEVER get into heaven no matter how "good" you are.

Well alot of people don't really pay much attention to their faith. There are probably alot of Christians like that on totse. People who are Christians and will always be Christians. You just won't hear them talking about it. I don't actually think there are alot of christians in My God Can Beat The Shit Out of Your God. They definitly arn't as vocal as the atheists anyway.

Mormonism is a cult and Catholicism has some questionable attributes.

The bible says you are saved by faith alone.

Ephesians 2:8-10
"For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— not by works, so that no one can boast. For we are God's workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do."

As an atheist (actually, today I'm agnostic :p) living in Utah (my region has 50% Mormons), I have a natural detestation of the Mormons, but I can safely say that they are not a cult, and a real, semi-rational religion... of course Catholicism has questionable attributes... you're obviously Protestant, of course you'd think that the Catholics are evil (I don't disagree, I'm just pointing our your bias). :rolleyes: I thought you would have seen that one coming.

I don't want to argue Scripture, but I'm sure there are many verses... I'll provide a few here:
Acts 2:38 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=acts%202:38;&version=31;)... Luke 13:1-5 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=luke%2013:1-5;&version=31;)... Ezekiel 18:30-32 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=eze%2018:30-32;&version=31;)... John 10:25 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=john%2010:25;&version=31;)... John 3:19-20 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=john%203:19-20;&version=31;)... Romans 10:10 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=romans%2010:10;&version=31;). This one is kind of subjective, but I see the passage as talking about 2 different things.

If you only read one of these, make it be this (note that you can't give me translation bullshit because it's all NIV): Acts 2:38 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=acts%202:38;&version=31;).

Again, I don't want to argue Scripture, but The Bible says many things about both good works, and faith... I view it as subject to interpretation, but again, I'm no Christian.

Well then they don't know much about the bible.

God won't send you to hell for being bad if you have faith in Jesus Christ. Likewise, without faith in Jesus Christ you can NEVER get into heaven no matter how "good" you are.

Interesting... I'd like to hear your defenition of "faith in Jesus Christ".

Oh, and I also forgot a few passages, these are more corrolaries to the previous ones than requirements of good works in themselves... 2 Thessalonians 1:8-9 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2%20Thessalonians%201:8-9;&version=31;)... 1 Peter 4:17 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Peter%204:17;&version=31;)... Mark 1:15 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Mark%201:15;&version=31;)

Again, we can both throw around as many Bible verses as we wish, and we can call all passages out of context/mistranslations/purposeful editing/whatever, but at the end of the day, there are parts of the Bible that say that both faith and good works are required, and there are parts (such as Titus 3:5 (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Titus%203:5;&version=31;)) that say what you're saying, that salvation comes from faith alone... How do you reconcile such blatant contradictions when clearly, there is equal Scriptural support for both views?