This is something that pretty much stirs on the inside of me. I don't get depressed about this either. Let me just lay this out. It's quite obvious that people have a wrong perception of of what judgement is. If you come up to me and tell me that you're having an affair on your husband/wife with your co-worker or anyone else, by your OWN WORDS, you've declared yourself a transgressor of the law or the Word of God, and telling me you don't feel bad as if you've done something wrong, I would then tell you to inform your spouse on your adultery. (I bet you won't because you know it's wrong, and you know your spouse will agree that it's wrong!) If I tell you that you're wrong in what you're doing and you tell me to stop judging you, you don't know what judgement is. You've judged yourself by saying it.

Here's what I've ran into ALOT. When I'm proclaiming the Word of God, people just don't like hearing that they're sinners and need a saviour. Why? Because they're selfish and wicked and despise the things of God, that pertain to righteousness and holiness. What do they say? "GOD SAYS DON'T JUDGE PEOPLE." Absolutely right! That means, I don't need to be forming opinions or thoughts on the heart intent or motive as to why someone did something, and how they did it!! How many people have you hear come up to you and say, "So and so did this, just like this, and I KNOW they did it to make me mad. YOU'RE PASSING JUDGEMENT!!

Let me clarify this too. I proclaim the Word of God, and claim Christ. The Word of God, condemns me a sinner. Why? I've broken every law there is.. (God looks at the heart.) I don't have to act the sin out to comit it in my heart. Hate is murder. Lust is likened to adultery. (It's an ACT of the heart.) By the law, i'm sentenced to death! A DEATH IS OWED. Why? THE LAW DEMANDS JUSTICE.

I claim Christ. Christ came down to this world in the likeliness of sinful flesh, and FOR SIN (to pay the price of sin) condemned sin in the flesh. You don't know sin is sin unless you know what doing right is. I can't know that smoking is wrong, without know that NOT SMOKING is right. Christ showed us SIN was right, by SHOWING us what was right, and then, when further, KNOWING no man, because of his flesh, could go without sinning. What did He do? He did it for us. He paid the price sin demanded. He paid the price justice declared! Because His LOVE desires mercy. Innocence has a voice. God is just, and because innocent blood was shed, it began to cry out for JUSTICE. MERCY cried out for JUSTICE. Innocence DEMANDED justice. Do you see this? The blood said, "DO I NOT DESERVE WHAT I PAID FOR?" What did He pay for? The price of your sin to be paid. He wants you! You mean that much to HIM. So much that His blood STILL cries out for YOU. I don't care what you've done or where you've been that you would esteem to be wrong. I'm telling you what, it IS wrong, but God loves you, and if you'll believe and accept the sacrifice of sin, you'd then have everything you've ever wanted, and that's Christ. He loves you! God doesn't ask you to be perfect, He asks you to love Him. If you love Him you're going to want to please Him, but He loved you first, to demonstrate His devotion to you. He would never ask you to do something He hasn't done first.

I wasn't going there originally, but it's there for whoever needs it. When someone's proclaiming the Law of God, they're claiming Christ, for they know that they can be saved or justified by nothing else and no other, except Christ alone. We've all sinned and fallen short, and we all need a saviour. There gift is there for anyone who will accept and recieve Him. I can't judge people, but the Law of God does. He said, "All have sinned."

"If I offend you, I need to repent, but if the Word of God offends you, you need to repent."



-A Messenger.

Amen my friend! Very good post.

The title made me assume this was going to be something about Calvinist Election, but I was pleasently surprised.

No one cares whether about a non-existent being passing judgement.

No one cares whether about a non-existent being passing judgement.

Does it strike your pleasure center to have someone come into a thread of yours and post off-topic criticisms of a belief you hold?

And just so you know, I don't hold the same beliefs as the OP, but I certainly like to know whether or not someone's 'supreme guide' in their life is guiding them towards homicide, or towards a gentle, peaceful coexistence with me.

It's like a homeless man who gets orders from invisible aliens...I don't believe in his aliens, but I sure as fuck care whether or not they are judging me as unworthy of living while I walk by. All the better if they demand he's a friendly, good, caring individual towards all those around him.

Edit: Hellz, that analogy wasn't meant to belittle your beliefs. So I apologize if it offends.

I'm just going to have to be honest with you. I don't get offended that you have an opinion. What bothers me is that this opinion is wrong and will lead you beyond the gates of hell, never to return, if you don't BELIEVE the message of the Lord Jesus Christ. I don't get offended because of the Word's sake. Jesus didn't and He is the Word.

Just because one may not believe that the grass isn't green, (esp. when it's a blind man) doesn't make his opinion of what colour the sky is or should be change the fact. THIS GUY DOESN'T EVEN KNOW COLOUR. Why would I get offended? Cry, I might. I'd do this blind guy a better justice to pray that the eyes of his heart be enlightened so that he can see Truth as Truth, and know what Truth is when it's presented before Him, and believe that God heard my prayer and will answer it.

It's still his, or your decision to CHOOSE to believe or not. NO ONE can make you believe. Believeing is a decision. Thomas said.. "UNLESS I SEE THE HOLES IN HIS HANDS I WILL NOT BELIEVE." Thomas set the standard. Thomas chose not to believe.. UNLESS.

What stipulation have you set?

I have a friend, who claims to be an atheist. I asked him, "What would you do, if tomorrow you wake up and find that everyone you knew to have a close relationship with Jesus Christ, and be christians were gone?" You know what he said? He said, "I'd get saved." I have a heart for this guy. God loves him so much, and I know God's love for him because I feel it, burning in me everytime I'm around him.

As I say this, Jesus cries out for him. Many tears I've cried over this guys soul, and undoubtedly he's pondered or perhaps considered giving his life to Christ, but when he counts the cost, he's unwilling to pay the price for the call. I pray his heart be humbled and made willing. This guy represents one lost soul.. that I have been honoured to encounter, but I'm telling you Jesus is this way for each lost soul. Jesus is the way for you. Rather you choose to love Him back or not.. He chose to love you. All He asks it that you believe His love for you and love Him back. Love has no strings, or limits. Who will count the cost?

I'm really not keen on such blatant proslytising threads. But I've been letting the athesists do it so I suppose for fairness sake I should let this stay up. I do however want to have a chat with 'da Boss ' (LC) on this one.

But try and keep it on a discussion basis.

Oh and if someone could point out to me were the Bible talks of hell (not Hades, Sheol or Gehenna) I'd be hella grateful.

Jesus died because he was too obstinate to save himself. They say he descended to Hell and cleared it of those who came before him, why would he start filling the ranks down there again?

Christianity got Jesus' whole 'dieing' thing from the story of Socrates. And Socrates didn't even need to come back to prove his point.

Know thyself.

I'm really not keen on such blatant proslytising threads. But I've been letting the athesists do it so I suppose for fairness sake I should let this stay up. I do however want to have a chat with 'da Boss ' (LC) on this one.

But try and keep it on a discussion basis.

Oh and if someone could point out to me were the Bible talks of hell (not Hades, Sheol or Gehenna) I'd be hella grateful.


The Hebrews believe this way, (and so do Christians, I don't know how because half of them don't even know this. Can you believe something you are oblivious to? I don't think so. I won't go there though).

Sheol/Hades is a place that contains in it Gehenna and Abraham's Bosom. Gehenna contained the departed spirits of the unjust, whereas Abraham's Bosom contained the departed spirits of the just. When Jesus was raised from the dead, the bible says He lead captivity captive. (Ephesians 4:8)

Col 2:15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a show of them openly, triumphing over them in it.

(This is what He did to the power of the enemy.) Hmm.. Yet Christians are still under the power of the enemy because they've never taken the time to see how free Christ has made them. See, if they knew their authority in CHrist, they would say, "GO" and the spirit would go. (Sorry I'm probably getting beyond people's comprehension now. )

I'll say this and stop. Israel was freed when they were lead out of Egypt by Moses, (who is a foreshadow of Christ.) Egypt represented slavery, bondage. BUT Israel still had a BONDAGE mentality. They spoke slavery. They acted like slavery. Insomuch, they went to doing what they did when they were in slavery. God finally said, "If you want to be bond be bond. I've stretched my hand out, you've been stubborn, so judgement is set, and you'll not see the promised land, but your children will." Friends this has happened again, today. God's calling forth the children of the generation Moses was in right now.

Christians have claimed Christ but in every way possible they've denied him. MINISTERS IN PULPITS, commiting adultery and THEN aborting babies to cover up their sin. Ministers addicted to porn, and they're in our churches. No wonder why the church has stopped ministering strongly the Word of God, against sins. They can't minister a message of freedom when they're bound by the very things the congregation is. The church has to wake up. Ever since I was a child I've been told Jesus is coming back, and now when I believe and understand that He's closer and closer, the ones who told me this have lost their sight. They let go.. of truth and grabbed a complacent lie. Now, God's stirring a young people, to do the unthinkable. They call us the microwave generation, and they've feared our growing up. They don't know what will become of America, and they fear us....

It's a spiritual thing as well guys. These spirits that melosted us in infantcy, raped us in childhood, and tried to kill us in our teens, are afraid because we're beginning to see what they've been trying to cover up.

Thanks for leaving the post up.

The Hebrews believe this way, If you mean regarding 'Hell' then no they didn't. The belief in an 'eternal soul' (and the whole concept of existence of a soul after death in Heaven or Hell or whatever only came into judaism just before the time of Jesus. In Jesus's time it was a minority view (it tells so in the NT 'the Sadduccees believe not in these things but the Pharisee's do').

Sheol/Hades is a place that contains in it Gehenna and Abraham's Bosom. Gehenna contained the departed spirits of the unjust, whereas Abraham's Bosom contained the departed spirits of the just. Absolute tosh and an arse rape of scripture.


Christians have claimed Christ but in every way possible they've denied him. MINISTERS IN PULPITS, commiting adultery and THEN aborting babies to cover up their sin. Ministers addicted to porn, and they're in our churches. No wonder why the church has stopped ministering strongly the Word of God, against sins. They can't minister a message of freedom when they're bound by the very things the congregation is. The church has to wake up. Can't say I disagree with you there.


It's a spiritual thing as well guys. These spirits that melosted us in infantcy, raped us in childhood, and tried to kill us in our teens, are afraid because we're beginning to see what they've been trying to cover up.
. What spirits?

... we ALL just passed judgment on something/someone in this thread...:(

Matthew 24:34
"Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled."

Basically this means that the time for Jesus to return an pass judgement is over, your religion has been past it's sell-by date for nearly 2000 years, and according to your own Bible you have no salvation.

Oops.

Matthew 24:34
"Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled."

Basically this means that the time for Jesus to return an pass judgement is over, your religion has been past it's sell-by date for nearly 2000 years, and according to your own Bible you have no salvation.

Oops.

ahhh but there several ingenious ways of getting around these fairly clear words of Christ.

1. "Generation" might also mean 'race' ie the jews. Therefore as long as there are jews...

2."God has allowed one of the people who were there to live on. The 'Eternal Jew' kinda thang.

3.You misunderstood it and it refered to a later generation. This argument is used by the JW's who claim that the 'count down' started in 1914 so that the End Of Days will come when no single person is left alive who was alive (or a fetus) in 1914.

There are more but you get the idea.

ahhh but there several ingenious ways of gettign around these fairly clear words of Christ.

1. "Generation" might also mean 'race' ie the jews. Therefore as long as there are jews...

2."God has allowd one of the people who were there to live on. The 'Eternal Jew' kinda thang.

3.You misunderstood it and it refered to a later generation. This argument is used by the JW's who claim that the 'count down' started in 1914 so that the End Of Days will come when no single person is left alive who was alive (or a fetus) in 1914.

There are more but you get the idea.

As hillarious as all these wonderfully desperate attempts are, I don't think so.
The eternal Jew one is the best one so far though as in its own very unbelievably unlikely way it has the tiniest chace ever of being true and us commoners not having a clue, someone should make a new crazy little cult based on that one.