Without coming across as an out and out Nazi, I wondered if anyone of a liberal persuasion could answer me the following:

I am English, my family tree goes back to 1066 (so maybe i am part descended from French but I got a good millenium of UK heritage in me), recent statistics show that the average British citizen is up 4 pence a year from immigrants/asylum seekers. 4 pence, so a penny every 3 months. Muslim immigrants have not caused any of my family to die, but, when working in London (city/financial district) I cannot use a bin as we have none through fear of bombs, and last week when catching a flight to Spain, I had to wait 2 hours to go through various security checks (during which, whicst having my bag investigated I saw a fully covered muslim woman ushered through with no search). I for one would be happy to forego the 4 pence a year (about enough for a packet of crisps every decade) to get rid of the muslims and enjoy more bins and less ridiculous waits when going abroad. Liberals, If more than 50% of people agreed with me on this,, maybe in a referendum, given that we live in a democracy, would you oppose kivking them out if it was the popular will of the people?

Christians living in Muslim countries often have to pay special taxes.

Why should Muslims be allowed to live in traditionally Christian countries? :P

You live in a multicultural society so deal with it. It's not like you guys didn't have to deal with the Irish in the past either. It's just a side effect of the war and terrorism. Also England is a secular country any Muslim nations that would require a tax would not be secular. Kicking out people of a specific Faith would be facist. You could change immigration laws or something but specificaly choosing one religion and targeting it is facist.

because god damn it that bag of crisps is more important than human lives!

Well, that would almost certainly violate the provisions of the European Convention on Human Rights, specifically articles 9 and 14, as well as the Human Rights Act, as it's certainly religious discrimination. It also seems to be rather inconsistent with British, and indeed, western, values of freedom. Of course, further complicating the issue is that many Muslims are themselves British citizens, and not merely asylum seekers.

You don't have any trash bins because of the Irish, so chucking out all the Muslims wouldn't solve that. And unless you want to shut down the entire island to international air travel all together, you're going to have to keep those screening processes in place, else foreign airports won't accept flights from your country. So leaving aside the abominable ethical and moral implications of your deeply racist proposal, it wouldn't actually achieve any of the results you're looking for, and would have the net effect of turning your nation into an international pariah. So, you know, good luck with that.

Oh, and yes, I would oppose such a policy if more than 50% of the public supported it. Popularity does not equal morality. Such a policy enacted in my own country would likely be enough to convince me to take up arms against my own government.

Leaving the moral and ethical issues aside , don't you think that the Muslims will fight back if mass deportation were implemented? Congratulations, you've got an internal war. To block off reinforcements for the shiny new domestic insurgency, the UK will have to impose severe restrictions on its borders, and pull out of the European Union faster than you can say 'depression.' And Muslim countries will cut off trade too.

If there's a net improvement in quality of life in there somewhere, I just don't see it.





I think if a European country were to implement something like this, it would be France first. This question is actually on a lot more people's lips than liberal ethics would like to admit. Ethnic cleansing has a long tradition in Europe.

That being said, I have a number of Muslim friends here in New York and do not fear being blown up by them. I find discussing politics with them to be rather fascinating. Muslims can be some of the warmest people you will know if you get them to open up. The guys that run one of the delis near my house are Yemeni, very nice guys. I've even been 14 dollars short and they let me bring it later. When we do events we often have a hookah bar, and we get it from a Hookah bar downtown that we have a relationship with.

Your average Muslim in the West is not a terrorist. The likelihood of being blown up by a Muslim is significantly lower than the likelihood of being mugged by a black man in New York, and I don't see any benefit in Draconian measures against black men.

Life goes on, we deal with the potential for crime, it's just the way of the world. Treating terrorism as something fundamentally different from other crime is in my opinion, a mistake.

Christians living in Muslim countries often have to pay special taxes.

Why should Muslims be allowed to live in traditionally Christian countries? :P
Is there some sort of logical connection between these two sentences, or are you just free associating?

I'm assuming you are talking about Jizya, but can I get a cite for this, since you used the present tense?

Without coming across as an out and out Nazi, I wondered if anyone of a liberal persuasion could answer me the following:
Why only 'liberals'? Why not just anyone?


I am English, my family tree goes back to 1066
What is the relevance of this statement? Do English people get redeemable points for each year of family history?


recent statistics show that the average British citizen is up 4 pence a year from immigrants/asylum seekers. 4 pence, so a penny every 3 months.
I don't know if it's germane to your main theme, but I'm curious to know what the heck this means.


I for one would be happy to forgo the 4 pence a year (about enough for a packet of crisps every decade) to get rid of the muslims and enjoy more bins and less ridiculous waits when going abroad.
Exactly what do you envision in terms of "getting rid of the muslims?" Death camps, or just forced deportation? Would this include nice fairskinned English people who look like you but choose Islam as their religion? Or maybe just the other type. You know. . . the swarthy ones?


Muslim immigrants have not caused any of my family to die, but, when working in London (city/financial district) I cannot use a bin as we have none through fear of bombs, and last week when catching a flight to Spain, I had to wait 2 hours to go through various security checks (during which, whicst having my bag investigated I saw a fully covered muslim woman ushered through with no search). I for one would be happy to forego the 4 pence a year (about enough for a packet of crisps every decade) to get rid of the muslims and enjoy more bins and less ridiculous waits when going abroad.
Well, first of all, if every other country didn't kick all the muslims out, why would Spain allow you to travel there without going through security checks? After all, you might be some sort of muslim in disguise.

Also, do tell us more about this 'fully covered muslim woman' you saw waved through security. What did you suspect her of? Are you sure she didn't have to pass a security check in a place that was out of your view? Assuming she actually was waved through, why, would you say, did the security personnel decide she was less of a threat than you were?

Liberals, If more than 50% of people agreed with me on this,, maybe in a referendum, given that we live in a democracy, would you oppose kivking them out if it was the popular will of the people?
Of course I would. I have no idea from where you get the notion that "democracy'" means "license to oppress any given minority, for any reason at all, by a simple majority", but I believe your assumption is incorrect.






Why should Muslims be allowed to live in traditionally Christian countries? :P
While higher taxes for non-muslims would be something I would have a big problem with, if it were still being imposed, I have no clue what this has to do with allowing Muslims to live in "traditionally" (this word is really starting to suck, thanks to it now being commonly used to defend various bigotries) Christian countries. It seems like a logical (wrong, but at least logical) response would be to have Muslims pay a special tax, not throwing them out.

By the way, is the US one of these "traditionally" Christian countries?

By the way, is the US one of these "traditionally" Christian countries?

Duh! :rolleyes:

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Duh! :rolleyes:

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What does an image that vilifies our president have to do with the question I asked?

I really can't say anything that hasn't already been said by everyone else in this thread. If they were to try to administer such an initiative in Canada, I would gladly help to remove the current government from power. Bigotry at its finest.

Duh! :rolleyes:

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Hooray for fascism!

Idiot.

What does an image that vilifies our president have to do with the question I asked?

Even though it was intended to villify him, I think it's awesome.

I wish George W. Bush was really like that. :(

If I were president I'd imprison/execute anyone who speaks out in contradiction to the bible such as:


those who promote homosexuality and sexual deviance
those who promote lies of satan like the big bang, evolution, and atheism
those who promote or publicly practice false religons like Islam, Wicca, Scientology, Buddhism, and Hiduism.
those who promote abortion


I'd also make the schools teach biblical creationism & salvation, and I'd outlaw abortion, same sex marriage, fornication, sodomy, and all sorts of other satanic garbage. :D

Under your new laws, where do teletubbies fall?

Under your new laws, where do teletubbies fall?

I'm not quite sure. After lots of prayer and consultation with various preists I would try to make a decision on the teletubie question. :)

I'm the most retarded excuse for a troll who probably came from 4chan just to piss everyone off

Pretty much

Europe is fucked. London is no different.

Muslims move into foreign countries, set up their own little communities, and establish their own law. They don't even let the local police in.

It doesn't help that they breed like rabbits, and Europeans dont reproduce at all. There are like 12 countries in europe that are in a population death spiral...

It saddens me to see our race die.

I read somewhere that by 2020 or 2050 (I have no idea, but sometime in the next 100 years) Muslims will outnumber native Europeans in the Med.

/somewhat pointless post

It's pretty simple, instead of kicking them out, acculturate the young ones to European society. Set up organizations in Muslim neighborhoods that offer services that the people want, but also promote European values. Try to get the kids going to university and working high level jobs that white people usually take. Offer real estate in white neighborhoods to get the Muslims spread out so they don't stick to their little enclave neighborhoods. Even if you can't change all of them, changing a large number of them will help relieve some of the tension between Muslims and non Muslims.

You don't have to change their religion to change their behavior. Look at America for example. Most of the Muslims I know (in Texas) work at high tech corporations or in medical professions, live in the wealthy suburbs, and send their kids to school to graduate with honors and play on the varsity baseball team. It's not uncommon for Mr. Asadullah to live down the street from Mr. Anderson and Ms. Davis.

Yes, we have Mexicans who often form their own communities and stay away from whites, but Mexicans have been in America for centuries and many are more American than Mexican. It's pretty obvious that the upper class of Americans would love to keep the Mexicans in poverty to keep them bounded to working low level jobs for us(and by us I mean the wealthy Americans who employ them). But my point is that a society can be made egalitarian with the proper support.

those who promote homosexuality and sexual deviance
those who promote lies of satan like the big bang, evolution, and atheism
those who promote or publicly practice false religons like Islam, Wicca, Scientology, Buddhism, and Hiduism.
those who promote abortion


By the way, I didn't notice the Jews on your list of false religions. Shouldn't they also be put to death, according to your vile hateful religion?

I can't help but notice from some posters the idea that the mass influx of Muslims to European countries equals the end of Western civilization. While I won't deny it's a change of sorts, it's far from the end.

One source I would point to is "Religion and the Political Organization of Muslims in Europe" by Corlyn M. Warner and Manfred W. Wenner. The article attempts to dispells the above mentioned fears and show why they are unreasonable. The authors came to the conclusion that, "Because Islam is a highly decentralized religion, it is structurally biased against facilitating large-scale collective action by its adherents. The one version which is hierarchically organized, The Shi'a, is barely present in Europe. In addition, Muslim immigrants are divided by their ethnic differences. Islam, being decentralized, allows for a myriad of practices in the different countries from which the immigrants came. Divided by ethnicity and by their own religious beliefs, Muslims in Europe will not constitute a group which will be able to impose its goals on European foreign and domestic policy. Muslims will, instead, be a diverse population with which European states find it difficult to negotiate, because of Islam's decentralized structure."

In brief, Muslims in Europe choose to identify along ethnic lines. Religious differences within the non-rigid structure of Islam only complicates matters. For example, in Germany, the majority of Muslim immigrants are from Turkey. In terms of political organizations, these immigrants will not identify with other Muslims from say North Africa. They will, and have, form their own ethnically distinct political organization separate from those of Muslims from other countries, ethnicities, or political persuasions. Every attempt by European governments to form an umbrella organization for Muslims in their home country has failed precisely because of these differences and complications. Islam as a religion is not capable of mobilizing the political momentum necessary to effect such drastic alterations of European or Western society. In Islam, there is no centralized teaching authority as in other religious traditions. There is no 'pope' of Islam, so to speak, to dictate what other Muslims should think and how they should act.

By the way, I didn't notice the Jews on your list of false religions. Shouldn't they also be put to death, according to your vile hateful religion?

No, I bet he loves kikes. Christians have nothing better to do than suck on Israel's dick. They actually believe that shit about Jews being God's chosen people. The Jewish god, if not completely non-existent, is at best a selfish usurper. You see, Abraham wanted all the power and prestige for himself, so he made up a religion in direct defiance to the existing patriarch of Mesopotamia, Baal. No wonder he had to skip town to canaan. If he didn't, he probably would have been killed for his heresy. It's also weak that he created a religion based on greed, which he only shared with his own family. It's like an elite club of conniving penny-pinchers. Well, fuck them. Jews are the most racist people on this Earth. They believe everything in this world belongs to them, and that it is not considered a sin to rape/rob/kill a gentile. If I could go back in time, I would help the Nazis finish the job.

By the way, I didn't notice the Jews on your list of false religions. Shouldn't they also be put to death, according to your vile hateful religion?

Jews should be put to death, even aside from vile hateful religions.

/death-to-muslims.

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Even though it was intended to villify him, I think it's awesome.

I wish George W. Bush was really like that. :(

If I were president I'd imprison/execute anyone who speaks out in contradiction to the bible such as:


those who promote homosexuality and sexual deviance
those who promote lies of satan like the big bang, evolution, and atheism
those who promote or publicly practice false religons like Islam, Wicca, Scientology, Buddhism, and Hiduism.
those who promote abortion


I'd also make the schools teach biblical creationism & salvation, and I'd outlaw abortion, same sex marriage, fornication, sodomy, and all sorts of other satanic garbage. :D


You, Sir, are a faggot homo ass. Get the fuck off MY totse right away.

/death-to-muslims.

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And that, kids, is why the Muslims need the Jews. Because nobody can try to kill all the Muslims when they're so preoccupied with killing the Jews.