Why is it that Christians have no problem killing or allowing killing to happen? Now, I know not ALL condone murder/war I'm not making a generalization but it seems so many on the religious right support war in Iraq and bombing of the middle east and I don't understand why.

I mean haven't you all been raised knowing "Thou Shall Not Kill"? This completely goes against what you've been told and you're violating god's will, no if, ands, or buts, you're flat out disobeying arguably the most important commandment and this doesn't seem to faze any of you. Please explain this? Shouldn't you all be upset about not only our troops but all the people in the middle east dying, regardless if their terrorists or not, considering the "christian thing is to be forgiving and love thy enemy" after all those are the words of Christ which you seem fairly adamant about following...And saying "well we need to take revenge" is the most unchristian thing you could ever say, Jesus even forgave those who crucified him (not that they made it to heaven but he did not hate them).

BTW I hate religion and don't believe in God but I in no way support murder or war...unlike religious people....it sounds like I'm the one who should go to heaven and all you should go to hell for breaking the commandant of thou shall not kill

So just give me a straight up answer on how you justify war (which an unbelievably large number of religious people support) and killing when it clearly contradicts the bible?

I do not really know. I do not know that anything that I am EVER doing is even remotely close to the right thing. In fact, I know that even if I try my hardest I am still not trying my hardest and falling so short of the target that it might seem like I never shot the arrow to begin with.

So the only thing I can do is just have faith, that whatever is going on, that whatever I am doing or whatever anyone else is doing will still work out in the end...and to just hold on. At the end of the day, all I have is hope, faith, and love.

what you said sounds like lyrics from some shitty song. can someone give me a real answer as to why you support war while being religous? not some faggoty ass spiritual shit

what you said sounds like lyrics from some shitty song. can someone give me a real answer as to why you support war while being religous? not some faggoty ass spiritual shit

What exactly are you saying? I gave you an answer and yet it isn't good enough? What I say comes from the heart, so what?

what you said sounds like lyrics from some shitty song. can someone give me a real answer as to why you support war while being religous? not some faggoty ass spiritual shit

I'm not religious myself but I'd just like to point out that what you said was YOUR interpretation of that particular commandment, someone might interpret it differently. For example, in order to stop the ruthless Iraqi regime killing innocent people, kill the people who are killing them.

-kaizer.

I'm not religious myself but I'd just like to point out that what you said was YOUR interpretation of that particular commandment, someone might interpret it differently. For example, in order to stop the ruthless Iraqi regime killing innocent people, kill the people who are killing them.

-kaizer.

Taken to its logical conclusion, we should kill everyone to stop every injustice.

That's because its not very logical.

And in reply to the opening poster, the comandmant is "You shall not murder."

Consider "you shall not kill" would mean no killing, at all. Under those rules, you would have to survive on fruits and seeds, and anything else that you could take from a plant without killing it.

Why is it that Christians have no problem killing or allowing killing to happen?

Christian is a broad term.... and very General. If your refering to Catholics, yes they do have about 1800 yrs of Blood and Murder. Also, most "Christian" groups do not consider them to even be "Christian".... theyre a CULT that grew big by state sponsorship.


I mean haven't you all been raised knowing "Thou Shall Not Kill"? This completely goes against what you've been told and you're violating god's will, no if, ands, or buts, you're flat out disobeying arguably the most important commandment and this doesn't seem to faze any of you.

"Thou shalt not kill".... is OLD ENGLISH.... it should be "Thou shalt not MURDER"....

Question: Is Execution by the state MURDER? Is selfdefence MURDER? Is killing in a war considered MURDER?


Ps. Athiests have killed more people in the last Century than 1800yrs of the Catholic Church..... Communism!

Ps. Athiests have killed more people in the last Century than 1800yrs of the Catholic Church..... Communism!

Source?

Christian is a broad term.... and very General. If your refering to Catholics, yes they do have about 1800 yrs of Blood and Murder. Also, most "Christian" groups do not consider them to even be "Christian".... theyre a CULT that grew big by state sponsorship.




"Thou shalt not kill".... is OLD ENGLISH.... it should be "Thou shalt not MURDER"....

Question: Is Execution by the state MURDER? Is selfdefence MURDER? Is killing in a war considered MURDER?


Ps. Athiests have killed more people in the last Century than 1800yrs of the Catholic Church..... Communism!


atheists arnt an organized group? There's no way to measure that unless you ask every criminal his religious affiliation (which they dont) and last i checked christian fundamentalists (bush admin) are fighting Islamic fundamentalists who caused 9/11 so wtf are you talking about...more people have died in the name of god than any other reason....

also last 1800 years? Are you fucking nuts? Ever heard of an Inquisition, Spanish, portuguese, roman...??? Ring a bell?

murder, kill, its the same fucking thing, stfu and stop trying to manuever around this.

Here's my question ill lay it clean and simple...

How can Christians who have been told by GOD BY GOD, not to kill or murder and to love all creatures including there enemies, support a war or a leader who caused a war? (Or just killing in general)

If you do you go to hell therefore every single one of you who supports any war or anyones death is going to hell...forever (That is if there was one)

Why is it that Christians have no problem killing or allowing killing to happen? Now, I know not ALL condone murder/war I'm not making a generalization but it seems so many on the religious right support war in Iraq and bombing of the middle east and I don't understand why.



is because dubya sucks as a president and christian fundamentalists are assholes

What about instances in the Bible where killing is justified? David v. Goliath?

Why is it that Christians have no problem killing or allowing killing to happen? Now, I know not ALL condone murder/war I'm not making a generalization but it seems so many on the religious right support war in Iraq and bombing of the middle east and I don't understand why.

I mean haven't you all been raised knowing "Thou Shall Not Kill"? This completely goes against what you've been told and you're violating god's will, no if, ands, or buts, you're flat out disobeying arguably the most important commandment and this doesn't seem to faze any of you. Please explain this? Shouldn't you all be upset about not only our troops but all the people in the middle east dying, regardless if their terrorists or not, considering the "christian thing is to be forgiving and love thy enemy" after all those are the words of Christ which you seem fairly adamant about following...And saying "well we need to take revenge" is the most unchristian thing you could ever say, Jesus even forgave those who crucified him (not that they made it to heaven but he did not hate them).

BTW I hate religion and don't believe in God but I in no way support murder or war...unlike religious people....it sounds like I'm the one who should go to heaven and all you should go to hell for breaking the commandant of thou shall not kill

So just give me a straight up answer on how you justify war (which an unbelievably large number of religious people support) and killing when it clearly contradicts the bible?

First off, "thou shalt not kill" means "dont murder" if you looked it up in Hebrew. Executions, for example, are not commanded for Christians after example set forth by Jesus himself, however Jesus didnt exactly deal with child molesters, rapists, and murderers; just adulteresses and the Romans. Those commandments were set forth to the Jews, so we have liberty to decide the fate of those people. Unfortunately, many of those that share my faith have been brainwashed into thinking that Jewish commandments are smehow directly applicable to Christians, esepcially when Jesus himself didnt adhere to the punishments.

I dont support the war on "terror" in Iraq, however I'm all for fewer murderous dictators in the world, especially if we can get our hands on some more oil to fuel our tanks. Iraq had broken ceasefire treaties (specifically no-fly zones and attacking our aircraft) before the war, so we had every right to attack.

I dont see any conflict of interests, really. God often uses sinners and sins to judge people. See also: heathens vs Jews in the Old Testament. Saddam wasnt exactly a "nice guy" and he had punishment coming for a very long time. Sin, whether commited by the Christian and the unbeliever, will always be punished. Unfortunately, diverting troops to Iraq has given terrorists a foothold and unifying ideal to get behind. It may well have been a sin to invade Iraq like that, but it will be punished.

Source?

Read an history book covering the previous century. Stalin killed tons of his own countrymen.

Hitler as well.

Read an history book covering the previous century. Stalin killed tons of his own countrymen.

Hitler as well.

two people? You are making remarks with no backing. You are an idiot untill you give me evidence. What about all the CHRISTIAN killers? You can't look at one side and ignore the other.

Let me take both the O.P and Argon on at once here.

Throughout the old testament the jews, who weren't allowed to kill are seen killing all over the place, because as argon said its murder not kill. Yes there is a difference. Even, mr ten commandments himself, Moses, is derectly in charge of the hwolesale slaughter of several cities, including women and children (and cattle for all the hippies out there) As for the New Testament Romans 13:1-10 seems to state that the Government has the right to give out swords to whoever it pleases so get its agenda across. There are numerous verses in the bible that support the Government killing anyone it damn well pleases because taht it one of the jobs of earthly governments. As for Argon, I implore you to look at verses nine and ten. It would appear to me that The Romans are having the loving thy neighbor part of the ten commandments preached to them. Seems to me they still apply.

1Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.

2Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.

3For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:

4For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.

5Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake.

6For for this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God's ministers, attending continually upon this very thing.

7Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour.

8Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.

9For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

10Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

Also, let us not forget that it was Jesus, in luke chapter 17:2 who advocated drowning as an effective solution for anyone who would dare harm children. Sounds like pretty harsh penalty to me.
As always, if I'm wrong, let me know.

yeah but killing someone in war is essentially murder...they didnt want to die but you killed them anyway...I personally think its justified (I dont think the war should have started in the first place but if i was in the situation i would have no problem killing according to the law its ok but according to god its still murder either way you look at it...an un suspecting terroist walks out into the open and he is shot...its murder. Its also hard to claim "self-defense" when were the aggressors here and are in their land.

Also how can christians condone the death penalty? That is straight up murder right there no way around it? Thats possibly the most unchristian thing you could possibly support.

(I dont have a problem with it in some cases but im not christian)

yeah but killing someone in war is essentially murder...they didnt want to die but you killed them anyway...I personally think its justified (I dont think the war should have started in the first place but if i was in the situation i would have no problem killing according to the law its ok but according to god its still murder either way you look at it...an un suspecting terroist walks out into the open and he is shot...its murder. Its also hard to claim "self-defense" when were the aggressors here and are in their land.

Also how can christians condone the death penalty? That is straight up murder right there no way around it? Thats possibly the most unchristian thing you could possibly support.

(I dont have a problem with it in some cases but im not christian)

Murder is killing someone on your own personal volition, on your own time -according to the english which the bible was translated into. Don't tell me what God thinks about killing if you A) Didn't read my post or B) Never read the bible. The concept of only killing people who want to die is the stupidest thing I have ever heard of in my entire life, ever. Sneaking up on people and killing them is perfectly okay, as shown in Judges in the story of Barak who just walked up on this king smiling as bright as the sun and stabbed him in the gut. Murder is pretty much anything not state sponsored because the state has authority to end life while an individual person, unless he is acting as an agent of the state, does not.

No! You're all crazy! Jesus was a duck, and is sitting right by me!

No! You're all crazy! Jesus was a duck, and is sitting right by me!

I thought I was the only one!1

let me ask you how did you get into the christians killing? you do realize christians are indeed people as you are, and they go to war for political reasons, such as islamic people, and jews, and also, war is not a sin, in the bible it infact says there will always be war, so we can just get over that, and your forgetting the fact that christians are forgiven by jesus, and as i said before, in the bible it says war will always exsist, and killing in war is not a sin.

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let me ask you how did you get into the christians killing? you do realize christians are indeed people as you are, and they go to war for political reasons, such as islamic people, and jews, and also, war is not a sin, in the bible it infact says there will always be war, so we can just get over that, and your forgetting the fact that christians are forgiven by jesus, and as i said before, in the bible it says war will always exsist, and killing in war is not a sin.

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i just never understood why it is that religous people are always the ones most blood thirsty for war and how it clearly contradicts their "christian nature"

i just never understood why it is that religous people are always the ones most blood thirsty for war and how it clearly contradicts their "christian nature"

they're only more "blood thirsty" because they were/are organized more than other people, for example, you dont see a group of athesist coming together for a common goal a few times a week for a few hours do you? and everyone wants war on something, and being organized, your able to make war happen, doesnt really matter the fact your religious when it comes down to killing.