So I just had a long conversation with my grandma where she discovered I basically no longer believe in god. After trying to convince her an getting nowhere, I decided to get on the internet and look at some more arguments for christianity that actually used evidence instead of calling "faith" and using circular or non-existent logic.

http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v22/i1/creation.asp

So I found that page. At first, I liked the tone of the article and I was eager to see some good, intelligent arguments.

Unfortunately there were none. I finally got to the "References and notes" section, and, regrettably and laughably, there are none (unless you count the link that links to another article on the same website.)

So, feel free to post some good evidence in either direction. I don't know why I keep choosing to argue with people who admit to me "I'll never change my mind."

I don't really believe but I've been trying to for a while because it can be frustrating seeing injustices /loss of loved ones etc. and not have a metaphysical safety net to soften the blow.

I talked to a priest once that told me the message is botched by politics and the media. He told me G-O-D is just three letters in our vocabulary arranged in a way to try and explain some kind of higher being or higher power. He said that people being fed misinformation about a guy with a white beard floating around in the clouds is really detrimental, and his interpretation is the bible merely offers advice and introduces one to the thought of a higher being or power, and ones own individual interpretation is the way to achieve faith and a true belief in a higher power. I like to half heartedly believe in a higher power even though I know it almost seems natural for me to say "Shit how could there not be anything after this" ...all the information stored inside me is useless once my body stops working so it would make perfect sense that I don't exist anymore...

I asked him how hell could exist, since I only feel physical pain because my body is telling me my existance could be jeapordized and I only experience emotional pain because I don't have eternity to solve my problems. So by saying hell is eternal that would kind of eliminate any pain or suffering I would feel, since the only reason I feel that now is because I know my time existing is limited. He told me the idea of hell is just living without believing in a higher power or higher being. It related to me because I've sometimes thought this reality was in a sense like 'hell'. I am happy with my life, I don't want it to end. I can't even imagine what it would be like to die a slow death, actually feel yourself dying and not being able to do anything about it, it seems surreal and is a bridge I don't look foward to crossing. If I had a strong belief in a higher power or being and something after this, that thought still isn't appealing but it's much more bearable, at least to me. Not that the above is a strong argument or anything I was just throwing that out there...

When I half-heartedly want to believe, not christianity specefically just in a higher being or power I just think how it wasn't that long ago when we thought the earth was flat, and it would have been crazy to suggest it was round. Just how much is still out there waiting to be discovered and stuff like that, I know it's wishfull thinking but just for me personally it's a little easier to try and believe in that. I don't give a shit if I'm wrong and live my life with a metaphysical safety net of some sort. It makes me happy here and now, and if I die and cease to exist I wont be able to regret living a little more care-free because of the belief in a higher power that doesn't exist.

I don't really believe but I've been trying to for a while because it can be frustrating seeing injustices /loss of loved ones etc. and not have a metaphysical safety net to soften the blow.

I talked to a priest once that told me the message is botched by politics and the media. He told me G-O-D is just three letters in our vocabulary arranged in a way to try and explain some kind of higher being or higher power. He said that people being fed misinformation about a guy with a white beard floating around in the clouds is really detrimental, and his interpretation is the bible merely offers advice and introduces one to the thought of a higher being or power, and ones own individual interpretation is the way to achieve faith and a true belief in a higher power. I like to half heartedly believe in a higher power even though I know it almost seems natural for me to say "Shit how could there not be anything after this" ...all the information stored inside me is useless once my body stops working so it would make perfect sense that I don't exist anymore...

I asked him how hell could exist, since I only feel physical pain because my body is telling me my existance could be jeapordized and I only experience emotional pain because I don't have eternity to solve my problems. So by saying hell is eternal that would kind of eliminate any pain or suffering I would feel, since the only reason I feel that now is because I know my time existing is limited. He told me the idea of hell is just living without believing in a higher power or higher being. It related to me because I've sometimes thought this reality was in a sense like 'hell'. I am happy with my life, I don't want it to end. I can't even imagine what it would be like to die a slow death, actually feel yourself dying and not being able to do anything about it, it seems surreal and is a bridge I don't look foward to crossing. If I had a strong belief in a higher power or being and something after this, that thought still isn't appealing but it's much more bearable, at least to me. Not that the above is a strong argument or anything I was just throwing that out there...

When I half-heartedly want to believe, not christianity specefically just in a higher being or power I just think how it wasn't that long ago when we thought the earth was flat, and it would have been crazy to suggest it was round. Just how much is still out there waiting to be discovered and stuff like that, I know it's wishfull thinking but just for me personally it's a little easier to try and believe in that. I don't give a shit if I'm wrong and live my life with a metaphysical safety net of some sort. It makes me happy here and now, and if I die and cease to exist I wont be able to regret living a little more care-free because of the belief in a higher power that doesn't exist.

Fair enough, I like your post. I'd say I'm on the same grounds as you - not totally throwing out the metaphysical totally, but definitely not believing in it completely.

I mostly have the same problems with the "G-O-D" that you do. I think if a "god" exists, it is not in the form of a single being that is controlling everything, but rather something we can't comprehend right now, or something along the interpretive lines of "we are all one with the universe that is god."

There isnt any. Simple as that.

I mostly have the same problems with the "G-O-D" that you do. I think if a "god" exists, it is not in the form of a single being that is controlling everything, but rather something we can't comprehend right now, or something along the interpretive lines of "we are all one with the universe that is god."


My main problem believing man-made religions is just that, they are man-made. It almost seems natural for me to believe in a higher being or something after this, I haven't read much about that specefically but it seems like people consistantly explain things they don't fully understand by metaphysical explanations. Indians with rain gods to religions today, it just seems like that thought was always there, and I believe new discoveries only lead to new questions so there could always be that unkown factor that people feel the need to attribute a metaphysical explanation to thus allowing some kind of faith (for lack of a better word) to be present as long as we exist. That has probably been proven wrong but I haven't done much reading about that it's just something I thought up spur of the moment one day.

Something that I thought was amazing was when I went to a pshycic earlier this summer. I don't have time to type out details, but I went with the intention to get a good laugh at a 40 year old woman that believed in magic. Apparently she has solved several cold cases and has a nationally recognized reputation, she really suprised me. She knew stuff about me that I've never told anyone, she consistantly for 45-60 minutes spat out correct information, never missing a beat. I am convinced it was not a linguistic or NLP trick, and I can't explain how she did it. She told me we have souls that exist on a higher plane, or higher dimension. Our souls come to this dimension to learn a lesson, and she said that means she believes in fate, since our souls willingly chose a body that is destined to learn some important lesson.

She said this dimension is like school, we are here to learn and only when we fully understand this dimension is when our soul ascends to a higher dimension for eternity. I've thought fate could exist to an extent before. It can be as simple as saying I am human, I have to eat. If I am destined to meet someone I could run to wawa for some food and wind up meeting someone that could influence my life in a way I never knew possible, that is completely out of my control. Sure I can go to McDonalds instead of wawa, but it's not like I'm thinking "There is a 34% chance something influental will happen to me if I go to wawa so I'll go to McDonalds instead". I can get held up going somewhere in traffic, again something that happens daily but is out of my control. I could arrive somewhere that just got robbed 5 minutes ago and been saved by the traffic or the other way around.

I realize that is kind of a stretch but I was just playing with that in my head trying to toy with the idea of the pshycic telling me nothing is coincidence and everything is fate and happens for a reason. Although that would eliminate something that I once thought seperates us from animals and that religions say we have, the ability to have free will. Laws and culture kind of limit that anyway though.

Unlike some people I've seen that deny faith to try and be badass or look cool I just want an understanding. I'm not trying to knock anyones beliefs I just want to find my own, one that I can be comfortable with believing and not feel that I'm forcing myself to believe.

My main problem believing man-made religions is just that, they are man-made. It almost seems natural for me to believe in a higher being or something after this, I haven't read much about that specefically but it seems like people consistantly explain things they don't fully understand by metaphysical explanations. Indians with rain gods to religions today, it just seems like that thought was always there, and I believe new discoveries only lead to new questions so there could always be that unkown factor that people feel the need to attribute a metaphysical explanation to thus allowing some kind of faith (for lack of a better word) to be present as long as we exist. That has probably been proven wrong but I haven't done much reading about that it's just something I thought up spur of the moment one day.

Something that I thought was amazing was when I went to a pshycic earlier this summer. I don't have time to type out details, but I went with the intention to get a good laugh at a 40 year old woman that believed in magic. Apparently she has solved several cold cases and has a nationally recognized reputation, she really suprised me. She knew stuff about me that I've never told anyone, she consistantly for 45-60 minutes spat out correct information, never missing a beat. I am convinced it was not a linguistic or NLP trick, and I can't explain how she did it. She told me we have souls that exist on a higher plane, or higher dimension. Our souls come to this dimension to learn a lesson, and she said that means she believes in fate, since our souls willingly chose a body that is destined to learn some important lesson.

She said this dimension is like school, we are here to learn and only when we fully understand this dimension is when our soul ascends to a higher dimension for eternity. I've thought fate could exist to an extent before. It can be as simple as saying I am human, I have to eat. If I am destined to meet someone I could run to wawa for some food and wind up meeting someone that could influence my life in a way I never knew possible, that is completely out of my control. Sure I can go to McDonalds instead of wawa, but it's not like I'm thinking "There is a 34% chance something influental will happen to me if I go to wawa so I'll go to McDonalds instead". I can get held up going somewhere in traffic, again something that happens daily but is out of my control. I could arrive somewhere that just got robbed 5 minutes ago and been saved by the traffic or the other way around.

I realize that is kind of a stretch but I was just playing with that in my head trying to toy with the idea of the pshycic telling me nothing is coincidence and everything is fate and happens for a reason. Although that would eliminate something that I once thought seperates us from animals and that religions say we have, the ability to have free will. Laws and culture kind of limit that anyway though.

Unlike some people I've seen that deny faith to try and be badass or look cool I just want an understanding. I'm not trying to knock anyones beliefs I just want to find my own, one that I can be comfortable with believing and not feel that I'm forcing myself to believe.

I'm with you on the "man-made" part of it; I mentioned those very words in an argument with a few people today.

Do you mind going into detail on what the psychic told you?

You want evidence for Xianity?!

Well there these BIG stone buildings most places and they are called Churches. ALthough sometimes da really big'uns is called Cathedrals...just to fool you.

You get my point? Try redefining the question cos there's proof that Xianity exists all over the place. I'd go so far as to say its an undeniable fact.

So what do you want evidence for? That Jesus existed? Well there ain't none, leastways not the sort of evidence a historian or theologian would call 'primary evidence'.

You want evidence for Xianity?!

Well there these BIG stone buildings most places and they are called Churches. ALthough sometimes da really big'uns is called Cathedrals...just to fool you.

You get my point? Try redefining the question cos there's proof that Xianity exists all over the place. I'd go so far as to say its an undeniable fact.

So what do you want evidence for? That Jesus existed? Well there ain't none, leastways not the sort of evidence a historian or theologian would call 'primary evidence'.

Evidence that the horrific god of the bible exists, and that jesus is the son of him.

Evidence that the horrific god of the bible exists, and that jesus is the son of him.

There ain't none. And I happen to be a believer.

Do you mind going into detail on what the psychic told you?

Well she told me a lot, but she never got anything wrong the whole time. I'm just starting college and she knew I had switched my major from communications and minor in law to major in medicine and minor in communications, I never told her anything about me. The year before I had given up some big prize for a paper I could have won. A bunch of highschools made seniors write papers about their accomplishments in highschool and mine had drug references I was told to take them out and they would have submitted my essay to represent my school but I refused to take them out, she knew that in detail.

She asked me if I had a lawsuit pending and I lied and said no. I'm a good fucking liar but right away she asked me why I lied and told me I will win a very large sum of money in the lawsuit. It is scheduled to go to court this coming september but is likely to be pushed back. My lawyer initially said I'll probably lose but a few weeks ago the judge got changed from an irish roman catholic judge to a jewish judge (I have a lawsuit against a catholic school) and the new judge is supposed to move to criminal court but said he is waiting to hear my trial first, my lawyer now thinks I have a really good shot at winning but anything can happen so I'll wait until all is said and done. Those were just a few examples, many were really specefic like my examples given and not something vague that I could just contort into a right preditcion like "Oh you'll meet a blonde woman that will change your life" or something cheesy like that. The whole session she never told me anything wrong. Again I was lucky to have a supposidly nationally recognized pshycic about 20 minutes from my house, she said there are a lot of rip-offs and scam artists that do that, obviously.

What suprised me was how she explained the higher dimensions and our souls. I haven't got a chance to look into that explaining the 11 dimensions video it's been sitting in my favorites but like I said earlier I'm just starting college so I'm not even going to pretend like I would understand all of that. I know we don't use all of our brain. This woman said she began to see things after she had a brain annurism(sp), my understanding is the only thing that could have happened was tissue was damaged. Maybe there is some kind of tissue blocking or preventing us from percieving these things she claims to see? I just have a hard time thinking the voice inside my head, one that can analyze this body I'm in from a third or first person perspective could be produced by a bunch of cells. I'm just excited for what discoveries the future will hold. We may or may not ever be able to 100% prove some things one way or the other since I think there will always be a question without a solid anwser but I hope future technologies could really post-pone or explain death in ways we can't even imagine today. Part of why the "dead and gone" idea pisses me off is because I think that is probable, but I'm not 100% sold on that just yet and it's just frustrating being on the fence and not being sure about what happens.

"I never really hated the One true god, but the god of the people I've hated." -Marilyn Manson

Is your quarrel with the idea of something existing beyond the senses, or is your quarrel with the pathetic attempts of fellow men to rationalize and define this 'something' from a position of absolute ignorance, and then following their concepts of the unconceivable as if they were absolute?

Mine is with the latter. Believing a god to exist is neither illogical or delusional to me...believing you know anything about this god is highly illogical and highly delusional to me.

I don't like the religious gods nor the material gods. As expressed in the Tao Te Ching (pronounced dow day jeeng): The tao that can be known is not the eternal Tao, the tao that can be named is not the eternal Tao.

There ain't none. And I happen to be a believer.

Believer of...

www.zeitgeistmovie.com

offers so far, un-refuted evidence against christ...or at least evidence that the bible is a terrible plagerism.

When it comes down to it the only evidence for christianity is the bible itself.

Same as the only evidence for Peter Pan's existence is the book Peter Pan.

www.zeitgeistmovie.com

offers so far, un-refuted evidence against christ...or at least evidence that the bible is a terrible plagerism.

When it comes down to it the only evidence for christianity is the bible itself.

Same as the only evidence for Peter Pan's existence is the book Peter Pan.

the religious section of that movie is not incredibly accurate.
the entire Horus section and the info about Krishna is wrong, but the rest about sun-worshiping is pretty well right i believe.

the religious section of that movie is not incredibly accurate.
the entire Horus section and the info about Krishna is wrong, but the rest about sun-worshiping is pretty well right i believe.

There are still plenty of other christs out there that predate jesus.

There are still plenty of other christs out there that predate jesus.

So I can still shop around?!?

Of course, I recommend science.

It is as true as it possibly can be. Nothing to hide.

There are still plenty of other christs out there that predate jesus.

:rolleyes:

Jesus is the only true Christ and the son of God.

:rolleyes:

Jesus is the only true Christ and the son of God.

:rolleyes: Plenty of pagan religions had the "god sends his son to the earth" and other many parallels with christ, well before he was invented.

:rolleyes:

Jesus is the only true Christ and the son of God.

:rolleyes:

I call bullshit.

Krishna is the only true Christ and the son of God.

I don't like the religious gods nor the material gods. As expressed in the Tao Te Ching (pronounced dow day jeeng): The tao that can be known is not the eternal Tao, the tao that can be named is not the eternal Tao.

I've read part of the Dao De Jing, and the problem that I have with that version of Dao is that I can't specify it; it's like asking me if fate exists. I don't know, I can't know, and it's impossible for anyone to know. I think I have free will (I can choose A or B), but I can never know if that's already been chosen; I believe it's far better to remain in doubt and constantly learn than to be even relatively certain, or even to lean one direction over another. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence, but a deity, or even Dao requires at least some evidence.

Standout, I think your problem is not religious but rather philosophical. Perhaps if you discover reasons for why you should remain in doubt until you're absolutely certain rather than know with a minimal degree of certainty, you'll be able to change your perspective and become a "permanent agnostic" or something similar. What your psychic told you sounds an awful lot like Buddhism; maybe the lesson that we need to learn is not that there is a separate, better plane of existence, but rather that we should follow our own path and look inside our spirit to know what sets us forward and what holds us back (as The Buddha said).

Regardless, I think we can all agree that whatever future existence there might be as a reward for a lesson learned, we can be relatively sure that simply believing in that existence is not sufficinet. The question I have though, what are the lessons we should learn, is there a right way to learn them? What about subjective answers? I hope that after enough soul searching you can find these answers and report back.

I don't know why I keep choosing to argue with people who admit to me "I'll never change my mind."

It's because you are being controlled by satan.

:rolleyes:

I call bullshit.

Krishna is the only true Christ and the son of God.

Bullshit again, Its Mithra :mad:

:rolleyes: Plenty of pagan religions had the "god sends his son to the earth" and other many parallels with christ, well before he was invented.

Oh Really? Which ones?

:rolleyes:

I call bullshit.

Krishna is the only true Christ and the son of God.

Krishna can't save you from your sins. :rolleyes:

Krishna can't save you from your sins. :rolleyes:

He already did; he died for my sins. He also died for your sins, Rolloffle.

The only reason you continue to reject Krishna, the one true Son of God as your personal Lord and Savior is because your mind is being controlled by the dark forces of this universe, who only value death and destruction and attempt to take you further away from Krishna.

The only way to salvation is to accept Krishna, the One True Son of God who died for your sins. If you choose to reject Krishna, even God won't stop you from going to hell.

"It's because you are being controlled by satan."

Nope, it's because you're being controlled by Anubis.


See? I can make dubious claims with no foundation in reality as well.

Oh Really? Which ones?

Horus, Osiris-Dionysus, and Krishna to name a few.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_jcpa5.htm

Since I have an idea that you will not read all of that, simply scroll down to the chart that compares the two side-by-side.

Unfortunately for you, he was worshiped thousands of years before Jesus came along.

Believer of...

I believe in god and that Jesus was his messiah.

But I don't feel the need to claim there is proof when there isn't.

People, don't confuse gnosis with knowledge or faith with fact.

So I just had a long conversation with my grandma where she discovered I basically no longer believe in god. After trying to convince her an getting nowhere


You're trying to prove that god doesn't exist to your grandma???
That seems kinda selfish. Why can't you just leave her be?

"Ya know grandma, I know your approaching the end of your life, but take it from me, you're afterlife involves maggots and nothing more!!!"

Let he be blissfully ignorant if what you believe even is true. Or is your ego more important than her happiness?

You're trying to prove that god doesn't exist to your grandma???
That seems kinda selfish. Why can't you just leave her be?

"Ya know grandma, I know your approaching the end of your life, but take it from me, you're afterlife involves maggots and nothing more!!!"

Let he be blissfully ignorant if what you believe even is true. Or is your ego more important than her happiness?

*offers hand*

You wanna come down from up there?

I wasn't going to tell her for that very reason, but she decided to call me up to spout her bullshit, and she asked me the typical "are you moving away from god" questions and I refuse to lie about that since I am not embarrassed about it.

Those last two posts were funny..

It's because you are being controlled by satan.

I thought the bible says that man has the power of free will?

:confused:

Horus, Osiris-Dionysus, and Krishna to name a few.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_jcpa5.htm

Since I have an idea that you will not read all of that, simply scroll down to the chart that compares the two side-by-side.

Unfortunately for you, he was worshiped thousands of years before Jesus came along.

That chart is merely an internet-legend and I would challenge you to find any reputable egyptologists who support it's bizarre claims. As you can see very few of the statements on that chart have footnotes referencing citations.

Furthermore, the father of Horus was not "Meri" as that chart says, but Isis :rolleyes: . (source (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isis)) Isis had Horus with Osiris, and there's no reliable information to suggest she was a virgin at the time.

The character "Anup the Baptiser" seems to only exist in this chart, I haven't been able to find any reliable information about him.

Although the particular chart you cited doesn't include their birthdates, various other copies (such as the one in the Internet movie Zeitgeist) suggest that both Horus and Jesus were born on December 25th, which is a complete falsehood.

There is no reliable information to suggest Horus was born December 25th and most Christians who have studied the Bible don't actually believe Jesus was born December 25th. There's nothing in the Bible it suggest he was, if anything the origin of Christmas being celebrated on December 25th is due to Christianity being adapted to attract formerley pagan adherents in Europe.

The chart you referenced even contradicts itself (in addition to contradicting respectable egyptologists), First it says Horus' mother was "Meri", which is of course not correct. Then it says Horus' annunciation was "By an angel to Isis, his mother.". Although there's no reason to believe he was heralded by angels, it is generally accepted that the mother of Horus was Isis.

The chart also claims that "Herut" tried to kill Horus, it was actually Set. (source (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/wiki/Horus))

Lastly, there's no reliable information suggesting that Horus was crucified, ressurected, discipled, baptised, betrayed for 30 peices of silver, or anything else remotely similar to Jesus.

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For someone who is supposedly a "skeptic", I would have expected you take a much closer look at the arguments you use against Christianity. :p

I thought the bible says that man has the power of free will?

:confused:

Yes, but people can be tricked and tempted by satan. :p

There is evidence for christ and god. It is the bible.

There is evidence for Peter Pan and the lost boys. It is the book Peter Pan.

There is evidence for muhammed. It is the Quoran.

THAT IS THE TOTAL AMOUNT OF EVIDENCE THAT THERE HAS EVER BEEN FOR GOD!!!

A BOOK!!!

The rest is faith. Which is fine. Just keep your beliefs to yourself. Do not infect me with them.

There is evidence for christ and god. It is the bible.

There is evidence for Peter Pan and the lost boys. It is the book Peter Pan.

There is evidence for muhammed. It is the Quoran.

THAT IS THE TOTAL AMOUNT OF EVIDENCE THAT THERE HAS EVER BEEN FOR GOD!!!

A BOOK!!!

The rest is faith. Which is fine. Just keep your beliefs to yourself. Do not infect me with them.

There's plenty of evidence for the Bible's accuracy and the things which are mentioned in the Bible.

There's plenty of evidence for the Bible's accuracy and the things which are mentioned in the Bible.

There's also plenty of evidence for the falsehoods of the Bible and the things which are mentioned in the Bible.
(source (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=falsehoods+in+the+bible)) A personal favorite comes to mind: why would the Jewish leaders try Jesus on Passover, a sacred Jewish holiday?
There's also plenty of evidence for the Quaran's accuracy and the things which are mentioned in the Quaran.

Have fun refuting the source :D:p

That chart is merely an internet-legend and I would challenge you to find any reputable egyptologists who support it's bizarre claims. As you can see very few of the statements on that chart have footnotes referencing citations.

Furthermore, the father of Horus was not "Meri" as that chart says, but Isis :rolleyes: . (source (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isis)) Isis had Horus with Osiris, and there's no reliable information to suggest she was a virgin at the time.

The character "Anup the Baptiser" seems to only exist in this chart, I haven't been able to find any reliable information about him.

Although the particular chart you cited doesn't include their birthdates, various other copies (such as the one in the Internet movie Zeitgeist) suggest that both Horus and Jesus were born on December 25th, which is a complete falsehood.

There is no reliable information to suggest Horus was born December 25th and most Christians who have studied the Bible don't actually believe Jesus was born December 25th. There's nothing in the Bible it suggest he was, if anything the origin of Christmas being celebrated on December 25th is due to Christianity being adapted to attract formerley pagan adherents in Europe.

The chart you referenced even contradicts itself (in addition to contradicting respectable egyptologists), First it says Horus' mother was "Meri", which is of course not correct. Then it says Horus' annunciation was "By an angel to Isis, his mother.". Although there's no reason to believe he was heralded by angels, it is generally accepted that the mother of Horus was Isis.

The chart also claims that "Herut" tried to kill Horus, it was actually Set. (source (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/wiki/Horus))

Lastly, there's no reliable information suggesting that Horus was crucified, ressurected, discipled, baptised, betrayed for 30 peices of silver, or anything else remotely similar to Jesus.

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For someone who is supposedly a "skeptic", I would have expected you take a much closer look at the arguments you use against Christianity. :p

The story of horus sometimes varied, so your sources are really irrelevant.

http://tektonics.org/copycat/osy.html - This article compares Osiris, Horus, and Jesus and cites actual books on the subject of egyptian gods.

http://www.sacred-texts.com/egy/ebod/ - Here is "The Book of the Dead" which is supposed to contain Horus's story, if you want to look through it.

Sorry charlie. While it may appear at first that the article I posted wasn't reputable, things that are this detailed are hardly ever made up from scratch - sometimes it's just hard to find a version that doesn't have the references stripped.

The story of horus sometimes varied, so your sources are really irrelevant.

http://tektonics.org/copycat/osy.html - This article compares Osiris, Horus, and Jesus and cites actual books on the subject of egyptian gods.

http://www.sacred-texts.com/egy/ebod/ - Here is "The Book of the Dead" which is supposed to contain Horus's story, if you want to look through it.

Sorry charlie. While it may appear at first that the article I posted wasn't reputable, things that are this detailed are hardly ever made up from scratch - sometimes it's just hard to find a version that doesn't have the references stripped.

Charlie? :confused:

The first article you linked to (http://tektonics.org/copycat/osy.html) is actually an article from an apologetic ministry which has debunked the alleged similarity between Horus & Jesus.

It seems God is working through you, whether you realize it or not. :p :)

In the future, it might be a good idea to throughly read the articles you use to backup your arguments. ;)

Charlie? :confused:

The first article you linked to (http://tektonics.org/copycat/osy.html) is actually an article from an apologetic ministry which has debunked the alleged similarity between Horus & Jesus.

It seems God is working through you, whether you realize it or not. :p :)

In the future, it might be a good idea to throughly read the articles you use to backup your arguments. ;)

Ah fuck it, I knew it was weak from the beginning. To be honest, I never thought you'd look that much into it, so I wanted to see if you really would catch me on it.

Anyway, keep in mind that just because that isn't necessarily true doesn't mean it's logical to think that christianity is therefore true.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=JMiAwe6TAYM

...along with the other three parts of it; very eye opening.

Ah fuck it, I knew it was weak from the beginning. To be honest, I never thought you'd look that much into it, so I wanted to see if you really would catch me on it.

Anyway, keep in mind that just because that isn't necessarily true doesn't mean it's logical to think that christianity is therefore true.

Well, hopefully you will realize that Christians are not stupid and that we do like to check sources and ensure that the things we believe are factual. :)

http://youtube.com/watch?v=JMiAwe6TAYM

...along with the other three parts of it; very eye opening.

Maybe you should read the thread before you start spamming links to videos filled with false information. :p

Maybe you should read the thread before you start spamming links to videos filled with false information. :p

I did read, and I knew it had nothing to do with anything, I just said it was eye opening.

If it was factually incorrect, tell me why.:p:p:p

There's plenty of evidence for the Bible's accuracy and the things which are mentioned in the Bible.

There MAY be some historical references in the bible which can be vaguely validated through historians. What there is NOT however is any proof anywhere of the magical claims of the bible, or of peter pan, or for the pokemon cartoon.

Only difference between the bible and say greek mythology is the support of Rome and the thousand years of murdering pagans to ensure the biblical survival.

That is the ONLY reason you are a christian today. Your parents probably were. Your grandparents most likely were. Your community is. Voices of other religions were silenced by fire for a thousand years.

Evidence FOR: The banana fits perfectly into the human hand, and peels easilty and tastes good. :rolleyes:

Actually, the only evidence for is that the human mind cannot comprehend that "something" always has existed... however even with this, it is impossible to comprehend God always existing, instead of the universe.

Make sense?