I was thinking about this a little today for some reason or another. Tons of people view religion as a way to be happy, comfortable, fulfilled, etc. Most of those views are directed towards Christianity. I think Christianity is very difficult and uncomfortable, or it should be. Trying to be like Christ on a daily basis is incredibly hard. I swear too much. I don't have the best reputation. I can be a pretty inconsiderate person. I'm pretty selfish. I don't think of what would make life easier on others often enough. I could go on and on. I strive to be a person that people admire. I don't want to be admired because I want to be liked, etc. I don't want to be admired for earthly things - good-looking, smart, tough, studly jock, etc. I want to be admired for always doing the right thing. I'm not talking about not chewing gum or eating in class. I'm talking about the important stuff - loving people.

1 Corinthians 13:4 - 7

Love suffers long and is kind; love does not envy; love does not parade itself, is not puffed up; does not behave rudely, does not seek its own, is not provoked, thinks no evil; does not rejoice in iniquity, but rejoices in the truth; bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.

I'm unhappy. I just abhor highschool. I'm pretty dissatisfied with life. I'm a Christian. Good ol'Jesus Christo didn't swoop down and make me all satisfied, happy and sure of purpose. But I'm trying to love the very best I can, and I pray that God helps me to love better than the best I can.

Just keep praying for God to give you the strength to do better each day.

God knows that we can never be good enough for him, that's why he sent his son to die for us.

Just try your best and stay faithful.

I'll pray for you. :)

Try living without christ...

If you are fairly misarble being born a dirty, filthy, wretched sinner and the only way to salvation is to listen to a man on a pulpit for an hour a week.....

Then try something different.

Turn your back on christ as he has done to you. Drop your faith. You will find it difficult to do so. Very, very difficult. You will find it HARDER to tell people you dont believe than telling them you do. Especially your parents and loved ones.

If you dont notice an improvement you can ALWAYS go back...I mean he forgives anyone if they really want it right? You can A L W A Y S go back and apologize if you find it too difficult to realize you and everyone you love is going to die and rot in the ground.

Im just saying...if something isnt working try something else.

If you dont notice an improvement you can ALWAYS go back...I mean he forgives anyone if they really want it right? You can A L W A Y S go back and apologize if you find it too difficult to realize you and everyone you love is going to die and rot in the ground.

Don't listen to the lies of satan!

Leaving God will only make things worse.

Matthew 5:1-16

Now when he saw the crowds, he went up on a mountainside and sat down. His disciples came to him, and he began to teach them saying:
"Blessed are the poor in spirit,
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
Blessed are those who mourn,
for they will be comforted.
Blessed are the meek,
for they will inherit the earth.
Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness,
for they will be filled.
Blessed are the merciful,
for they will be shown mercy.
Blessed are the pure in heart,
for they will see God.
Blessed are the peacemakers,
for they will be called sons of God.
Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness,
for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
"Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me. 12Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.

Salt and Light
"You are the salt of the earth. But if the salt loses its saltiness, how can it be made salty again? It is no longer good for anything, except to be thrown out and trampled by men.
"You are the light of the world. A city on a hill cannot be hidden. Neither do people light a lamp and put it under a bowl. Instead they put it on its stand, and it gives light to everyone in the house. In the same way, let your light shine before men, that they may see your good deeds and praise your Father in heaven.

BrokeProphet, if you really believe that everyone is going to die and rot in the ground, why are you wasting your few precious years on Earth trying to convert others to narcissistic, nihilistic, and just plain evil atheism?

If you only feel you have a few decades to live and that's it, why not doing something more fulfilling with them? BrokeProphet is -- whether he realizes it or not -- a tool of satan who is being used to pull people away from the love and forgiveness of Jesus Christ.

Nobody's perfect. I don't like how people think being a Christian involves living exactly like Christ everyday because it cannot be done. It just can't. If you acknowledge your "wrong doings" and ask god to forgive/help you then you are leading a pretty well Christian life. And swearing is not a sin, I'm not about to believe that shit. Just because you offend someone with a word they don't like doesn't make it a sin. Unless maybe you are insulting them with bad intention.

it's all just an illusion

don't believe any of it

words are not worthy of God

or maybe you're just not praying hard enough, after all if you wish hard enough it'll come true.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8uBAPbOWLxc&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fboredkevin%2Eblogspot%2Ecom%2F

BrokeProphet, if you really believe that everyone is going to die and rot in the ground, why are you wasting your few precious years on Earth trying to convert others to narcissistic, nihilistic, and just plain evil atheism?

If you only feel you have a few decades to live and that's it, why not doing something more fulfilling with them? BrokeProphet is -- whether he realizes it or not -- a tool of satan who is being used to pull people away from the love and forgiveness of Jesus Christ.

I am not wasting my few precious years in an all out recruitment effort for the army of the dark prince...

Reality is.....(big word for mystics)......I am just killing time at my job.

I just feel that if he isnt feeling the love of the all knowing all loving christian god then why not try something else?

Doesnt have to be atheism. Try buddhism or being a muslim. Try doing something different.

I have a theory about religious people. Find out what religion your grandparents were. Chances are, and I am willing to bet, that you are the product of that. What does that tell you? Is religion then spiritual or sociological?

I appreciate you calling me a tool of your satan. That is awesome. 300 years ago I would be murdered for that accusation alone. Thank you for proving that the bible is an unchanging dogmatic over generalized book used for social control. Thank you for showing why religion should NEVER be in charge of governmental policy.

Doesnt have to be atheism. Try buddhism or being a muslim. Try doing something different.

I'm sure you'd be happy if he picked any one of those since they all lead to hell.

I'm sure you'd be happy if he picked any one of those since they all lead to hell.

Yeeesssssssss.....

MWAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

Would have gotten away with too if wasnt for Jesus and his followers.....

I'm sure you'd be happy if he picked any one of those since they all lead to hell.

You really need to shut the fuck up. Fucking hateful pricks like you that distort any grain of goodness that may be picked out of the bible severely anger me. Stop using your beliefs as a means to raise yourself and lower others.

If your bullshit book was true, you'd be doing the opposite of what you're doing.

I'm unhappy. I just abhor highschool. I'm pretty dissatisfied with life. I'm a Christian. Good ol'Jesus Christo didn't swoop down and make me all satisfied, happy and sure of purpose. But I'm trying to love the very best I can, and I pray that God helps me to love better than the best I can.

All of the worst times in my life brought me the most joy. God has a plan for you. You can't see it, you're not supposed to but don't loose faith.

You really need to shut the fuck up. Fucking hateful pricks like you that distort any grain of goodness that may be picked out of the bible severely anger me. Stop using your beliefs as a means to raise yourself and lower others.

If your bullshit book was true, you'd be doing the opposite of what you're doing.

Really? The bible says that Jesus Christ is the only way to God.

If it is true, Buddhists, Atheists, Muslims, and all those who die without Jesus will go to hell for their sins!

I'm saying this because the Bible is true and it's completely unnecessary for anyone to go to hell. Anyone who professes Jesus Christ as their lord and saviour will be saved!

All of the worst times in my life brought me the most joy. God has a plan for you. You can't see it, you're not supposed to but don't loose faith.

Well said. :)

I'd give you a rep point if the system was still working.

BrokeProphet is -- whether he realizes it or not -- a tool of satan who is being used to pull people away from the love and forgiveness of Jesus Christ.
Tell me, what it is like being insane?

Tell me, what it is like being insane?

It's believing you are nothing but a glorified monkey which came from a bit of plankton from billions of years ago. It's believing that the universe and life came into existance by blind chance. It's believing that all actions are equally acceptable and that there is no absolute truth.

Really? The bible says that Jesus Christ is the only way to God.

If it is true, Buddhists, Atheists, Muslims, and all those who die without Jesus will go to hell for their sins!

I'm saying this because the Bible is true and it's completely unnecessary for anyone to go to hell. Anyone who professes Jesus Christ as their lord and saviour will be saved!
Are you that fucking stupid? You really believe there's a place that people go to be tormented for all of eternity if they don't accept some Jewish zombie as their lord? You are really that crazy that you believe one would be condemned for all existence because they didn't adhere to a certain standard during their 80 years of life?

You really believe that?

You really believe an omnipotent being beyond time and space would give creatures less than 100 measly fucking years out of a reality that has existed for billions of years, to figure out existence or pay the eternal price? Are you really that fucking STUPID?

It's analogous to locking your 2 year old child in a closet and torturing them for the rest of their life because they hadn't figured out how to stop crying or use the toilet yet. You fucking christians are bat shit crazy.

God I hate you. And if there is a higher being, I bet he/she/it hates you too. You arrogant fuck.

It's believing you are nothing but a glorified monkey which came from a bit of plankton from billions of years ago. It's believing that the universe and life came into existance by blind chance. It's believing that all actions are equally acceptable and that there is no absolute truth.
Uh huh. Science relies on evidence, tests, proof, and facts. Religion relies on faith. You lose.

Science>religion

Uh huh. Science relies on evidence, tests, proof, and facts. Religion relies on faith. You lose.

Science>religion

Which test proved that non-living matter can turn into a living cell?

Which test proved that a singularity exploded 16.5 billion years ago producing hydrogen?

Which test proved that hydrogen created then is able to turn into other elements?

Evolution and the Big Bang aren't science. Nobody has seen them happen, nobody has any empirical evidence to back them up. They are just another religion.

Are you that fucking stupid? You really believe there's a place that people go to be tormented for all of eternity if they don't accept some Jewish zombie as their lord? You are really that crazy that you believe one would be condemned for all existence because they didn't adhere to a certain standard during their 80 years of life?

You really believe that?

You really believe an omnipotent being beyond time and space would give creatures less than 100 measly fucking years out of a reality that has existed for billions of years, to figure out existence or pay the eternal price? Are you really that fucking STUPID?

It's analogous to locking your 2 year old child in a closet and torturing them for the rest of their life because they hadn't figured out how to stop crying or use the toilet yet. You fucking christians are bat shit crazy.

God I hate you. And if there is a higher being, I bet he/she/it hates you too. You arrogant fuck.
In case you missed it the first time.

Great job Rolloffle for standing strong in the faith!!!

Remember its not God who tests people, its satan and God merely allows it to happen.


Continue on Rolloffle, you are a great soldier for Christ!!!!

keep preaching the great Word of JESUS!

Mathew 10:16


KJV: Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.

Remember that, and continue to stand strong!

Which test proved that non-living matter can turn into a living cell?

Which test proved that a singularity exploded 16.5 billion years ago producing hydrogen?

Which test proved that hydrogen created then is able to turn into other elements?

Evolution and the Big Bang aren't science. Nobody has seen them happen, nobody has any empirical evidence to back them up. They are just another religion.
In 1953, taking their cue from Oparin and Haldane, the chemist Stanley L. Miller working under Harold C. Urey carried out an experiment on the "primeval soup". Within two weeks a racemic mixture, containing 13 of the 22 amino acids used to synthesize proteins in cells, had formed from the highly reduced mixture of methane, ammonia, water vapor and hydrogen. While Miller and Urey did not actually create life, they demonstrated that more complex molecules could emerge spontaneously from simpler chemicals. The environment simulated atmospheric conditions as the researchers understood them to have been on the primeval earth, including an external energy source in the form of a spark, representing lightning, and an atmosphere largely devoid of oxygen. Since that time there have been other experiments that continue to look into possible ways for life to have formed from non-living chemicals, e.g. the experiments conducted by Joan Oró in 1961.

Great job Rolloffle for standing strong in the faith!!!

Remember its not God who tests people, its satan and God merely allows it to happen.


Continue on Rolloffle, you are a great soldier for Christ!!!!

keep preaching the great Word of JESUS!

Thank you very much for your support Scrilla. :D

God bless you!

In 1953, taking their cue from Oparin and Haldane, the chemist Stanley L. Miller working under Harold C. Urey carried out an experiment on the "primeval soup". Within two weeks a racemic mixture, containing 13 of the 22 amino acids used to synthesize proteins in cells, had formed from the highly reduced mixture of methane, ammonia, water vapor and hydrogen. While Miller and Urey did not actually create life, they demonstrated that more complex molecules could emerge spontaneously from simpler chemicals. The environment simulated atmospheric conditions as the researchers understood them to have been on the primeval earth, including an external energy source in the form of a spark, representing lightning, and an atmosphere largely devoid of oxygen. Since that time there have been other experiments that continue to look into possible ways for life to have formed from non-living chemicals, e.g. the experiments conducted by Joan Oró in 1961.

Amino acids are a molecular component of a living cell, much like silicon is a molecular component of a computer processor.

By your logic, being able to create silicon in a laboratory -- which is done all the time -- suggests that computers can be created by blind chance.

Are you that fucking stupid? You really believe there's a place that people go to be tormented for all of eternity if they don't accept some Jewish zombie as their lord? You are really that crazy that you believe one would be condemned for all existence because they didn't adhere to a certain standard during their 80 years of life?

You really believe that?

You really believe an omnipotent being beyond time and space would give creatures less than 100 measly fucking years out of a reality that has existed for billions of years, to figure out existence or pay the eternal price? Are you really that fucking STUPID?

It's analogous to locking your 2 year old child in a closet and torturing them for the rest of their life because they hadn't figured out how to stop crying or use the toilet yet. You fucking christians are bat shit crazy.

God I hate you. And if there is a higher being, I bet he/she/it hates you too. You arrogant fuck.
Hey, you should really keep avoiding this post^ because it makes you and all your ilk look like the fucking retards you all are.

Amino acids are a molecular component of a living cell, much like silicon is a molecular component of a computer processor.

By your logic, being able to create silicon in a laboratory -- which is done all the time -- suggests that computers can be created by blind chance.

In case you missed it, the point is more complex molecules could emerge spontaneously from simpler chemicals.

Also I hate you. Your "god-worshipping" elitist attitude as well as your putrid smugness come across in every post you make.

I'm sure that the monster yahweh would approve, but I don't think Jesus would.

Hey, you should really keep avoiding this post^ because it makes you and all your ilk look like the fucking retards you all are.

I avoided your post because it was unintelligent and profane. You didn't bring any good arguments to the table, you just insulted me and showed how ignorant you are.

I'll be praying for you though.

I avoided your post because it was unintelligent and profane. You didn't bring any good arguments to the table, you just insulted me and showed how ignorant you are.

Bring one fucking argument to the table other than:

you're going to hell *high fives last christian poster*

In case you missed it, the point is more complex molecules could emerge spontaneously from simpler chemicals.

Assuming their speculation about what the world was like chemically 4 billion years ago is correct. :p

I avoided your post because it was unintelligent and profane. You didn't bring any good arguments to the table, you just insulted me and showed how ignorant you are.

I'll be praying for you though.
Here's an argument:

"You really believe an omnipotent being beyond time and space would give creatures less than 100 measly fucking years out of a reality that has existed for billions of years, to figure out existence or pay the eternal price? Are you really that fucking STUPID?

It's analogous to locking your 2 year old child in a closet and torturing them for the rest of their life because they hadn't figured out how to stop crying or use the toilet yet. You fucking christians are bat shit crazy."

No God would submit a creation of his to eternal punishment for not adhering to his standards. A creator would realize the time it'd take to understand or mature. Realizing that on a time line numbering billions of years, 1/1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000th of that time may not be enough and therefore, one should not face eternal torture for their inability to do so in less than a 100 years.

Plus, the Bible is written by man. Anyone foolish enough to presume to understand how a God would think or act is the height of arrogance.

Smith Wigglesworth said this.. "I'm ONLY satisfied with the dissatisfactions that has to be satisfied again and again."

It's spiritual hunger. In fact, I would like to reccomend a book to you by John G. Lake, titled Spiritual Hunger. Any real christian, wants more of God, and isn't satified where they are, and when they get the more it's still not where it stops, they want more of God, over and over again. Smith Wigglesworth had 23 people raised from the dead in his ministry. John G Lake was used of God to start a revival in South Africa that's still going on today. People who are spiritually hungry are like arrows in the Master's hand. They will SURELY hit the mark they're aimed toward. Seek Him, for your direction. Keep seeking Him. Keep applying what you know to do. Pray, read the Word, and Worship Him for who He is and what He's done in you.

One man said, "I wake up in the morning, set myself on fire, and people come from hundreds of miles around to watch me burn." The Word of God puts it like this, "Stir up the gift that's in you." Christ is in you. Meditate that. GOD lives in you.

This man was the same man that would wake up in the morning and dance, until he got over into the Spirit. Someone asked him, "Do you ever start out in the flesh." He replied, "EVERY MORNING, but I keep dancing until I get over into the Spirit." It's in the Spirit, where joy is.

If you ever wanna talk, and need encouragement. I'm here.
My yahoo ID is revivedcreation, you're more than welcomed to talk with me.

A Servant,
-Shelly

Assuming their speculation about what the world was like chemically 4 billion years ago is correct. :p

Even if it wasn't, it's the best we have - in fact, we have actual evidence to support it. Show me any evidence whatsoever to back up the claims that you make.

Actually make any intelligible claim at all that in any way verifies the bible. Any at all, I don't care. I'm tired of you sitting here vaguely denying science and not making any falsifiable assertions yourself.

Also, what I didnt add to you Rollofflle:

Dont forget what the bible says about pointless arguing:


1 Timothy chapter 6 (NLT)

11 Pursue a godly life, along with faith, love, perseverance, and gentleness.

Galatians chapter 5 (NLT)

13 For you have been called to live in freedom - not freedom to satisfy your sinful nature, but freedom to serve one another in love. 14 For the whole law can be summed up in this one command: "Love your neighbor as yourself." 15 But if instead of showing love among yourselves you are always biting and devouring one another, watch out! Beware of destroying one another. 16 So I advise you to live according to your new life in the Holy Spirit. Then you won't be doing what your sinful nature craves. 17 The old sinful nature loves to do evil, which is just opposite from what the Holy Spirit wants. And the Spirit gives us desires that are opposite from what the sinful nature desires. These two forces are constantly fighting each other, and your choices are never free from this conflict.

Fine, if you insist on quoting the bible, I've got a few for ya.


Women should be silent in the churches, for they are not permitted to speak, but should be submissive, as the law also says. (1 Corinthians 14:34)

Then he went up from there to Bethel; and as he was going up the road, some youths came from the city and mocked him, and said to him, “Go up, you baldhead! Go up, you baldhead!” So he turned around and looked at them, and pronounced a curse on them in the name of the LORD. And two female bears came out of the woods and mauled forty-two of the youths. (2 Kings 2:23-24)

He that is wounded in the stones, or hath his privy member cut off, shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD. (Deuteronomy 23:1)

If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives. (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)

Oh, and the grand finale:

If your ... friend [etc], entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst.


Before you try to justify any of this, just shut the fuck up, I don't want to hear it. We can play these circular games all day, I want to hear some evidence that suggests the bible is in any way true that comes from a different source.

Thats the whole point of faith. Your argument can't be proven, my argument cant be proven, and your right, it would be a circular game all day.


After syaing that to you, I have one final thing to say.


As a wise man once said this, or to the effect of this (cant think of his name now) " If you believe that Jesus died for you on the cross because of your sins, and God is real, you will have eternal life. Also, if you believe in God and that Jesus died for you, and God is not real, you will have lived your life as a happy man, who has helped many hurting people, and has been kind to all creatures, and still stay in the same place for eternity, if you didnt believe in God and lived your life the way that you pleased, which is in the earth degrading."


Basically better safe than sorry.

Because it would SUCK to be in Hell for ETERNITY, with no stop to the tortchure.



I know that I have had God's helping hand in my life, I have felt God with me.


I have physically heard a message from an Angel, and was seeing this Angel, while she gave me God's message for me, and the people I was with saw, and heard her talk to me too.

I know God is real.

I am Human and a sinner.

I need God.

Thats the whole point of faith. Your argument can't be proven, my argument cant be proven, and your right, it would be a circular game all day.


After syaing that to you, I have one final thing to say.


As a wise man once said this, or to the effect of this (cant think of his name now) " If you believe that Jesus died for you on the cross because of your sins, and God is real, you will have eternal life. Also, if you believe in God and that Jesus died for you, and God is not real, you will have lived your life as a happy man, who has helped many hurting people, and has been kind to all creatures, and still stay in the same place for eternity, if you didnt believe in God and lived your life the way that you pleased, which is in the earth degrading."


Basically better safe than sorry.

Because it would SUCK to be in Hell for ETERNITY, with no stop to the tortchure.



I know that I have had God's helping hand in my life, I have felt God with me.


I have physically heard a message from an Angel, and was seeing this Angel, while she gave me God's message for me, and the people I was with saw, and heard her talk to me too.

I know God is real.

I am Human and a sinner.

I need God.

Well, first of all that little quote you typed is extremely confusing, but I've heard the bullshit argument before, so I'll refute it real quick.



A1. What if you're wrong? What if you go to hell? Isn't it worth it to take the chance because hell would suck?

1.) So what if a hobo says he's gonna use his flame vision to kill your brain cells instantly if you don't give him all your money? Better safe than sorry? Absolutely not, and here's why:

You have to sacrifice your whole life living a guilty, ignorant, chain-filled life. You feel guilty about victimless "sins" such as sex, drugs, and "curse words."

I just realize I'm tired of this, but one quick point: science is NOT circular, and is most CERTAINLY supported by evidence. Actually, that's what makes it science, and not bullshit religion.

"I know God is real.

I am Human and a sinner.

I need God."

Fuck me, at least crack addicts are dependent on a tangible substance, and not a diet of complete bullshit.

Here's a thread written by Rolloffle over in the Politics forum about why the US should bomb Iran:

Seriously!

First of all, his approval ratings aren't going to go much lower.

They might even go up, some people might respect him more for doing what he believes is right regardless of what others think.

Secondly, the anti-war nuts can't really do anything to stop him. Sure, they whine and cry like little faggots, but none of them own guns and they'd rather spend their time getting drunk and watching shitty movies than actually do anything.

Futhermore, something needs to be done about Iran before they can develop nuclear weapons and Bush has a duty to protect Israel.

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It's also worth noting that a large portion of the American public was opposed to entering World War I and World War II and the United States only entered after the sinking of the Lusitania and the attacks on Pearl Harbour respectively.

Few people today would say that American involvement in either of those wars was a bad thing. The point is, these anti-war idiots don't know what's good for them, their country, or the world.

Listening to them is stupid, 50 years from now people will be saying Bush is hero for attacking Iraq & Afghanistan.
You call yourself a Christian? Hahaha. You're not a christian at all. LoL@how often chickenhawk arm chair generals claim to be christians while encouraging mass murder. HILARIOUS.

Again, how does it feel to be insane?

Here's a thread written by Rolloffle over in the Politics forum about why the US should bomb Iran:


You call yourself a Christian? Hahaha. You're not a christian at all. LoL@how often chickenhawk arm chair generals claim to be christians while encouraging mass murder. HILARIOUS.

Again, how does it feel to be insane?

This is one of the many dangers of religion that are still affecting us today. I don't want fucking idiots running my country that are hell bent on bombing countries in order to "protect israel" (heavy sarcastic disgusted tone).

Geeeeeeeeeeeeeeez.... I leave for a couple days and it's a firestorm. Oh well. Just to clear a couple things up:

I don't think any religion or system of beliefs will make me happy.

Being a christian doesn't make me unhappy.

Being a christian is 100% my decision. I'm not under any kind of pressure from anyone else.

To me, it's really all about the love, as I said in the OP. Jesus is the rolemodel for this kind of love, so I'm a christian.

Which test proved that non-living matter can turn into a living cell?

Miller-Urey experiment, as 4Sight said.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miller-Urey_experiment

Also, evolution has nothing to do with the beginnings of life, it simply states how life changes, not how it began.

Which test proved that a singularity exploded 16.5 billion years ago producing hydrogen?

Empirical evidence. Such as the universe still expanding.

Which test proved that hydrogen created then is able to turn into other elements?

...
Have you ever even been to high school? This is basic physics. Hydrogen can be changed into other elements via fusion for one, like that that powers the stars and sun.

nobody has any empirical evidence to back them up.

I would laugh if this wasn't so sad. The entirety of science is based around empirical evidence.

You know, now that I think about it, you're probably just a troll.

I hate it when the deluded think they have science to back their theism up, when really they just don't grasp the reality of science.

OP, if you're unhappy, EXPLORE DIFFERENT INTELLECTUAL OPTIONS! Any system of belief that refuses to let you stop and think when you face emotional trouble is not a system of belief designed to help you but control you.

Miller-Urey experiment, as 4Sight said.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miller-Urey_experiment



Actually, that just proved that it's possible to create amino acids in conditions similar to what scientists believe the Earth was like billions of years ago. The is a huge difference between a simple amino acid (a mere chemical compound) and a complex living structure like a cell.

I hate it when the deluded think they have science to back their theism up, when really they just don't grasp the reality of science.

OP, if you're unhappy, EXPLORE DIFFERENT INTELLECTUAL OPTIONS! Any system of belief that refuses to let you stop and think when you face emotional trouble is not a system of belief designed to help you but control you.

I am in no way controlled by my belief system. I formed my own beliefs on my very own. They happen to dovetail very closely with what I think is true christianity. If christianity didn't existy, I would still believe very similar to what I do now. I believe what I think is right. It's not even religion for me; it's just what I believe. To me, religion isn't like trying on some Hanes to see if they feel better than my boxers. I strongly believe what I believe because I think it's right. I can't just change my mind.

Actually, that just proved that it's possible to create amino acids in conditions similar to what scientists believe the Earth was like billions of years ago. The is a huge difference between a simple amino acid (a mere chemical compound) and a complex living structure like a cell.

So what exactly does qualify as life on that level? Viruses?

So what exactly does qualify as life on that level? Viruses?

Whatever he decides, since he is the expert that said it isn't possible.

Whatever he decides, since he is the expert that said it isn't possible.

Oi you, quit ruining my carefully laid trap.

So what exactly does qualify as life on that level? Viruses?

No, the consensus among virologists is that viruses are not alive. :p (source (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Virus))

Life is able to reproduce on it's own -- viruses must invade a host cell to reproduce -- and reacts to changes in its environment -- for the most part, viruses do not.

No, the consensus among virologists is that viruses are not alive. :p (source (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Virus))

Life is able to reproduce on it's own -- viruses must invade a host cell to reproduce -- and reacts to changes in its environment -- for the most part, viruses do not.

Even if viruses aren't alive, that's not what this is about. You said it didn't matter that amino acids can be created spontaneously, even though it's just you that arbitrarily decided that.

Even if viruses aren't alive, that's not what this is about. You said it didn't matter that amino acids can be created spontaneously, even though it's just you that arbitrarily decided that.

I didn't just arbitrarily decide that. Creating amino acids is interesting, but it's insane to think it's the same as creating living cells.

I didn't just arbitrarily decide that. Creating amino acids is interesting, but it's insane to think it's the same as creating living cells.

http://library.thinkquest.org/C004535/on_the_origin_of_cells.html

I am in no way controlled by my belief system. I formed my own beliefs on my very own. They happen to dovetail very closely with what I think is true christianity. If christianity didn't existy, I would still believe very similar to what I do now. I believe what I think is right. It's not even religion for me; it's just what I believe. To me, religion isn't like trying on some Hanes to see if they feel better than my boxers. I strongly believe what I believe because I think it's right. I can't just change my mind.

If you really believe that then I urge you to go to your church and discuss your different views with them.

I believe your beliefs and the christian beliefs are closer than you think. If you believe yourself to be a unique product of your own design then answer me this:

What faith do your parents subscirbe to? Your community?

All this would suggest to me that you are entirely a product of your environment. Your religious environment.

If you disagree with ANY church doctrine at all I would love to hear what and why....

If you really believe that then I urge you to go to your church and discuss your different views with them.

I believe your beliefs and the christian beliefs are closer than you think. If you believe yourself to be a unique product of your own design then answer me this:

What faith do your parents subscirbe to? Your community?

All this would suggest to me that you are entirely a product of your environment. Your religious environment.

If you disagree with ANY church doctrine at all I would love to hear what and why....

I disagree with churches in general. Churches mostly just commercialize religion. I go to a perfectly normal public school. I don't have a ton of very good friends. I have tons of people I am friendly with, but only a handful of good friends. Of my good friends, 2 out of 6 are chrisitan. Both of my parents are christian.

I'm not saying I came up with a totally original set of beliefs or anything, because I didn't. I'm saying that I decided on my beliefs without any outside manipulation.

Of course I've been influenced by others. Every single experience in a person's life influences them in some way. The thing is, I'm not some pawn that just floats whichever way the wind is blowing. I decide how much something affects me. I am a fiercely independent person. I decide for myself. Things like peer pressure are non-existent for me. I'm a logical and rational person; I don't rely on my feelings or emotions to make decisions.

I think my beliefs are extremely close to christian beliefs, which is why I am a christian.

I disagree with churches in general. Churches mostly just commercialize religion. I go to a perfectly normal public school. I don't have a ton of very good friends. I have tons of people I am friendly with, but only a handful of good friends. Of my good friends, 2 out of 6 are chrisitan. Both of my parents are christian.

I'm not saying I came up with a totally original set of beliefs or anything, because I didn't. I'm saying that I decided on my beliefs without any outside manipulation.

Of course I've been influenced by others. Every single experience in a person's life influences them in some way. The thing is, I'm not some pawn that just floats whichever way the wind is blowing. I decide how much something affects me. I am a fiercely independent person. I decide for myself. Things like peer pressure are non-existent for me. I'm a logical and rational person; I don't rely on my feelings or emotions to make decisions.

I think my beliefs are extremely close to christian beliefs, which is why I am a christian.


Okay again......what are your PERSONAL beliefs that you hinted at that would contradict traditional christian beliefs.

You believe sex should be with a man and a woman who are married.
You are against abortion.
You believe the only way to salvation is through Jesus Christ.
You believe Jews are Gods chosen people.

Is that about right?

Okay again......what are your PERSONAL beliefs that you hinted at that would contradict traditional christian beliefs.

You believe sex should be with a man and a woman who are married.
You are against abortion.
You believe the only way to salvation is through Jesus Christ.
You believe Jews are Gods chosen people.

Is that about right?

I don't think homosexuality provides a good family structure (in the case of adoption), but then look at how many incredibly bad families there are already. I'm not against homosexual marriage or sex or whatever else.

Abortion is really tough. I'm against stuff like partial birth abortion. If a baby is seconds away from being born and you cut his head with scissors to kill him, that seems pretty damn close to murder to me. Otherwise, I'm not against it, but I think it's something a potential mother should think extremely hard about.

I think that there's only one God, and that he's the only one that can save us from this alleged hell. : )

Jews don't even exist. There's people who believe in Judaism. There's people who have someone with earlocks way back in the bloodline. There's people who happen to be born in Palestine. Jews mean nothing to me. I am for a state of Israel, but it's not because I like Jews. I think we should support Israel because in our nation's best interest to have a militarily powerful ally in the region.

Hope I answered your questions.

So you are a chrisian who believes gay marriage is ok.

You are okay with some abortions but not like partial abortion.

Nice dodge on the Jew chosen people thing. Let me tell you in case you have been living under a rock for awhile........many people say Jew (even the Jews) and everyone ELSE seems to get what they are talking about. So do you think that the Jews in Israel are God's chosen people. DO YOU THINK.......fuck it. It doesn't really matter.

Go tell your church family how you feel about abortion and fags. They can tell you why your wrong. And the fact that you do not believe that eternal salvation is through Jesus's Christ who came here and DIED for your sins....that God himself sent his only begotten son out of his love for you and you do not believe that he is the KEY to salvation.........let your flock know that as well. You christian rebel you.

So you are a chrisian who believes gay marriage is ok.

You are okay with some abortions but not like partial abortion.

Nice dodge on the Jew chosen people thing. Let me tell you in case you have been living under a rock for awhile........many people say Jew (even the Jews) and everyone ELSE seems to get what they are talking about. So do you think that the Jews in Israel are God's chosen people. DO YOU THINK.......fuck it. It doesn't really matter.

Go tell your church family how you feel about abortion and fags. They can tell you why your wrong. And the fact that you do not believe that eternal salvation is through Jesus's Christ who came here and DIED for your sins....that God himself sent his only begotten son out of his love for you and you do not believe that he is the KEY to salvation.........let your flock know that as well. You christian rebel you.



The church I attend is probably unlike anything that you've seen. The building is in a pretty rough part of town, as rough as it gets in C. Springs. It's still pretty bad though, a ton of crimes are committed all up and down the part of the street we're on. There's several halfway houses within easy walking distance. We actually have this awesome group of guys (and some girls) that meet on Sundays that are all felons. I've learned a ton from listening to their stories. They have all had incredibly rough lives.

We are not judgmental or legalistic at all. We try to get our values from the Bible, then apply those values to issues, instead of making the issues our values. Take homosexuality as an example. Instead of looking up Sodom and Gomorrah and then going down to the rally with "God hates fags" signs, we would just treat gay people just like any other people. Personally, I would encourage them to definitely think very hard about whether homosexuality is wrong. I say that it can be wrong, but I don't think it always is. I'm no moral relativist, but there are different circumstances. For good ol' Pastor Haggard (who I happened to abhor anyway : ), being a homo was definitely wrong because he was cheating on his wife. On the other hand, if there's some person who's in a loving, beneficial relationship with someone of the same sex, I have a hard time seeing anything wrong with that.

Basically, instead of just deciding what issues we think are right and wrong, we try and take it case by case and give it a lot of thought and prayer. If someone thinks and prays hard about it, talks to some other mature people about it, and they really believe that being gay doesn't lead them to sin, it's fine. Romans 3:23 - For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. People think that homosexuality is a "big" sin and it's "worse" than other "not that bad" sins. There is a difference between murder and shoving someone, and I'm sure God will deal with it accordingly. That said, it doesn't matter how "big" a sin is. They're all plenty big to make us imperfect and in need of some help. It's like when the mob was going to stone the adulturous woman, and Jesus said, 'Whichever of you is without sin, throw the first stone.' Doctor fucking Dobson is just as imperfect as a crack piping gay whore. I hate it when people act like being less imperfect is some sort of accomplishment.

Anyway, sorry about the disorganized rant. Didn't mean to dodge the Jew question; I know what you're saying, but I don't even recognize them as one people. A people can't be chosen if you can't even decide on which people.

Well you seem happy to me......I think you just needed to revalidate your meme complex.

It's believing you are nothing but a glorified monkey which came from a bit of plankton from billions of years ago. It's believing that the universe and life came into existance by blind chance. It's believing that all actions are equally acceptable and that there is no absolute truth.Lessee... Maybe, maybe, no, yes. What does that make me?

No, the consensus among virologists is that viruses are not alive. :p (source)

Life is able to reproduce on it's own -- viruses must invade a host cell to reproduce -- and reacts to changes in its environment -- for the most part, viruses do not.Just curious: on a macro level, what do you have to say about mules and hinnies (amongst other things)?

It's believing you are nothing but a glorified monkey which came from a bit of plankton from billions of years ago. It's believing that the universe and life came into existance by blind chance. It's believing that all actions are equally acceptable and that there is no absolute truth.

No, the consensus among virologists is that viruses are not alive.
Life is able to reproduce on it's own -- viruses must invade a host cell to reproduce -- and reacts to changes in its environment -- for the most part, viruses do not.



I absolutely LOVE when christians do this. Why is it not okay for someone to believe the universe came into existence by blind chance? B/C it just doesn't make any sense does it?

It is okay to believe that a Being you cannot, see, taste, touch, smell, hear or in any other way percieve.......made the universe. To me that just further complicates the origin of life mystery. It adds something else there. If the universe has a beginning then it has to have something to begin. Enter God. Where is god's beginner. Why can you not believe in a universe that has always been when you believe in a god that has always been?

And all actions are equally acceptable. It is the consequences that are absolute. The absolute truth is found through science. YOU CHRISTAINS were unable to deliver the true nature of the earth, its place in the universe, and COUNTLESS other things. Science delivered the goods.

I absolutely LOVE when christians do this. Why is it not okay for someone to believe the universe came into existence by blind chance? B/C it just doesn't make any sense does it?

It is okay to believe that a Being you cannot, see, taste, touch, smell, hear or in any other way percieve.......made the universe. To me that just further complicates the origin of life mystery. It adds something else there. If the universe has a beginning then it has to have something to begin. Enter God. Where is god's beginner. Why can you not believe in a universe that has always been when you believe in a god that has always been?

And all actions are equally acceptable. It is the consequences that are absolute. The absolute truth is found through science. YOU CHRISTAINS were unable to deliver the true nature of the earth, its place in the universe, and COUNTLESS other things. Science delivered the goods.


Hey, careful now. I know how pissed off you get, and it's pretty justified in my book. But don't let an extreme opinion make you swing your side too far and claim that you are 100% infallibly right and you know this because you are Broke Prophet the Great. If you do that, you're just losing credibility for yourself. Anyone, no matter how strong/founded in fact his beliefs/opinions/etc are, should always leave room, if only a little, that he is wrong. That's what the truly wise person would do. To dismiss a belief (God/Christianity) because it's repulsive to you isn't really acceptable on an intellectual level. I know it's an incredibly tall order to tell you to try to be cool and rational in the face of the storm, but it would show great strength of character if you did.

I absolutely LOVE when christians do this. Why is it not okay for someone to believe the universe came into existence by blind chance? B/C it just doesn't make any sense does it?

It is okay to believe that a Being you cannot, see, taste, touch, smell, hear or in any other way percieve.......made the universe. To me that just further complicates the origin of life mystery. It adds something else there. If the universe has a beginning then it has to have something to begin. Enter God. Where is god's beginner. Why can you not believe in a universe that has always been when you believe in a god that has always been?

And all actions are equally acceptable. It is the consequences that are absolute. The absolute truth is found through science. YOU CHRISTAINS were unable to deliver the true nature of the earth, its place in the universe, and COUNTLESS other things. Science delivered the goods.

Islam delivers all that, ;)

I hate how christians will have you believe that god is so loving yet the bible documents that hes killed more than satan. God has killed 32 million satan killed 10. Satan is the one who liberated us by convincing eve to eat from that apple thats what gave us knowledge. He is the prince of earth. Follow him if you want to find happiness. I follow the bringer of light lucifer. God offers nothing but empty promises and spiritual pipe dreams. Hail Satan.

Hey, careful now. I know how pissed off you get, and it's pretty justified in my book. But don't let an extreme opinion make you swing your side too far and claim that you are 100% infallibly right and you know this because you are Broke Prophet the Great. If you do that, you're just losing credibility for yourself. Anyone, no matter how strong/founded in fact his beliefs/opinions/etc are, should always leave room, if only a little, that he is wrong. That's what the truly wise person would do. To dismiss a belief (God/Christianity) because it's repulsive to you isn't really acceptable on an intellectual level. I know it's an incredibly tall order to tell you to try to be cool and rational in the face of the storm, but it would show great strength of character if you did.

You are right that I get pretty carried away. The thing is God could exist. He could. But there is ZERO scientific evidence to support that. I can leave evidence for me to be wrong. Most christians however cannot leave room to be wrong. To do so means the lake of fire. This menatlity equals fantacism. That is why I feel the need to strongly word my messages.

You are right that I get pretty carried away. The thing is God could exist. He could. But there is ZERO scientific evidence to support that. I can leave evidence for me to be wrong. Most christians however cannot leave room to be wrong. To do so means the lake of fire. This menatlity equals fantacism. That is why I feel the need to strongly word my messages.

I agree - zero scientific evidence. I think that an integral part of faith is doubt. Without doubt, there is no faith. So to think that there is a 0% chance of God not existing isn't faith; it's an intellectual prejudice. I like that you admit God could exist. That shows that your beliefs are intellectual and rational in nature, not emotional or ingrained.

The people who are using this poor man's misery as a tool to make him lose his faith should be ashamed. That is pretty much the same as how religious people recruit more people, by preying on them when they are at their most vulnerable, like when they are alcoholics or drug users etc.
As atheists we don't need to recruit others others will come if they want. A persons faith can sometimes be an important crutch to lean on. And a tool that should not be taken away lest that person should fall apart, we have no right to change their fundamental beliefs just as people of faith have no right to poke their nose into our own business.
To the OP, my advice to you is that you follow what your heart tells you, look for the answer within yourself, eg, do some serious pondering over your situation find out about other faiths and ask yourself, "Am I expecting too much of myself?"
If there was a god, and he truly did create humanity then I think he would probably understand, having created us, that no one person is perfect.