Although I know how pointless it is to post in this forum, rather you be religious or not, I have nothing better to do at the moment except get entangled within a web of lies (or truth) with a bunch of athiests and other assorted religious folk.


Keep in mind, however, this is my perspective, and I'm not saying this is the truth, this is only my truth. The only real truth to a individual is personal truth, and no other could ever take that away.


[DESTINY AND FREE WILL]
First off, Free will and destiny exist together. A person has a choice to go down whatever path he wants, rather it be a dark one, a intelligent one, etc. However, along this path there come points in life when certain actions must take place to further your destiny. When these points come, you choose to follow your own destiny, such as, if you were driving and able to make a left or right turn, and you wanted to get to a store, but either way you drove, you would get to the store at the same time, let's say you felt like making a right turn. Logically speaking you would make the right turn, simply because you felt like it, and gave it no thought afterward. Later you get there and it turns out there was much traffic because of a car accident if you made a left turn. You chose to follow with this action because you simply felt like you wanted to for no reason. Very small and simple actions can have very large consequences. Sooner or later, these consquences are also actions that lead to a consequence that your able to clearly see as destiny.

[Summary]: You go through your life through paths, and reach certain points in life that certain actions must happen to promote destiny. The ultimate action in the end (not death) is what people call destiny. After this major event, little likely follows after, rather it be events, or life all together.

[Existence of God, yourself, etc.]
There is only one truth, and that truth (in which gave me the idea from a different thread) is "I AM", there is no other truth, only belief. I know only I exist, rather it be as a thought of another being for only a split second, or as how I think I do, I do exist in one form or another. God does exist in many different ways, because of the way people think of God. Rather he be "real" or a "thought", he DOES exist. Reality may just be a belief. Such as when you dream, you expect normal physics to come into play sometimes, and you still have to abide by those normal physics in dreams sometimes. The only reason you have to abide by those physics, is because you believe that's how it works, not on a conscious level, but on a sub-conscious level. There is no evidence besides the normally cognoscente 5 senses that anything around you exists. "I think therefore I am." Except what you are, is a different story and unrelated to the question regarding if you exist or not.

[I'm not religious or athiest, I'm spiritual.]

Any questions? (I probably won't have internet connectivity by tomorrow, but I'll still able to read posts through my cell phone-I just won't be able to actually post. Although I'll keep coming back tonight and answer any question's posted by tonight.)

Cool.

Destiny and free will aren't reconcileable, or, they aren't while they remain 'destiny' and 'free will'.

Unless you can learn to see into your future. Your destined to live a predestined life basically.

So you have to choose to have free will, otherwise you will not really have it.

*bump*

I agree with your idea of destiny or free will. Free will is really only an illusion within destiny, unless like someone else said you had a way of viewing your destiny, you could change your destiny, giving you "true" free will.

As for your views on god, most people would argue how can you prove that the only thing that you know is "I AM" and would go into explaining how things can be proven. I think people don't realize that anything you can physically prove with science or what have you, that in itself is part of the illusion, belief, etc.

On the lowest level, free will is an illusion.

If all the atoms, their locations and their states in the universe were known, theoretically, with a computer of infinite power, you could calculate the future.

If a neuron in your brain fires, you move to the right instead of the left, and get hit by a stray bullet and die.. Now, if that neuron hadn't fired, you'd very likely have not been shot. There only one way for the universe to run, dictated by physics. Nothing will change this course. We won't ever know what this course is. But the fact is, your "free will" is determined by chemical interactions in your head.

Kinda hard to explain, hope you guys get it.

people base their lives on the future and reaching that destination theyve been dreaming of, when at the end of the day they might not get there and it might not even be that great.

so: enjoy the journey, dont depend on reaching the destination. Because ofcourse the final destination is always death no matter what, so instead of trying to get more and more; realise what you have now and what you will always have.

people base their lives on the future and reaching that destination theyve been dreaming of, when at the end of the day they might not get there and it might not even be that great.

so: enjoy the journey, dont depend on reaching the destination. Because ofcourse the final destination is always death no matter what, so instead of trying to get more and more; realise what you have now and what you will always have.

Honestly I never looked at it that way. The destiny and the event that is going to happen that I've been waiting for since I was 13, which will happen when I am 23, has brought me on a journey of meeting people who are incredible, seeing thing's I'd never thought I'd see, knowing things that I shouldn't know, and being able to do and learn things that I find incredibly fascinating. My journey is going through the unknown it seems, and I keep meeting specific people in a specific order-where when someone gives me a certain bit of information-it turned out that I needed that information when I met the next person-never having to use that information before. My journey is the most interesting story I've seen, in comparison to a daily person's life or a action movie, etc. I have a rich 30 yr old wife that looks like she's 16 and could easily be a model, a 450$ titanium ring with 3 diamonds, a pure silver necklace with a silver ankh, friends with certain kinds of connections, etc. and I wouldn't have ANY of this, unless I went with the path I'm on, and unless I was spiritual. It was because I'm spiritual and because of my path that I met these people, either from me having a intuitional feeling of being in a certain spot at a certain time, or because other psychics are aware of my path (real psychics, not fake ones-although everyone has the ability to be psychic, just idiots such as skeptiks don't really spend any time on trying it themselves before they judge, but hey-it's their loss)

I learned how to successfully move something with my mind when I was 15, I went into Astral projection before seeing things that would scare the shit out of a normal individual. And the entire time, ever since I was little, I never felt in tune with the world, and always felt I came here for a specific purpose and that's all that matters-is that only that purpose is fulfilled, once it is, then the rest is just the rest of the journey. I'm 18 right now, I've had over 10,000 friends, I've stopped over 350 suicides, and my age range I normally talk with is 25+.

So yes, your right, the journey is definatly worth enjoying. I wouldn't mind if this major event happened or not, the journey is still one hell of an experience.

I never really was religious either, I found it too restricting, and athiesm too close minded, neither suited me, except for being psychic and spiritual. Athiests and theists have no idea what their missing out on.

"There is only one truth, and that truth (in which gave me the idea from a different thread) is "I AM",

Get the fuck back to your other account, Obbe.

Obbe could atleast spell correctly.

As for all your speak of god, I simply don't understand where you get these ideas. Where does your concept of what 'god' is come from?? I am very interested what possible foundations you could have for such a concept.

As for free will, yes it is indeed only an illusion, caused by the caudate nucleus.

Get the fuck back to your other account, Obbe.

look at my info on my account-it's very old, so I'm not obbe, although I did get the "I AM" arguement from him. Everything else came from me. The I AM argument though that he posed was quiet interesting, and no matter how many people tried to dissuade it, he seemed to claim victory with each arguement.

look at my info on my account-it's very old, so I'm not obbe, although I did get the "I AM" arguement from him. Everything else came from me. The I AM argument though that he posed was quiet interesting, and no matter how many people tried to dissuade it, he seemed to claim victory with each arguement.

Thats because his argument is not even an argument. Its like christains saying that jesus was the son of god. You can either say its bullshit or believe it.

Obbe could atleast spell correctly.

As for all your speak of god, I simply don't understand where you get these ideas. Where does your concept of what 'god' is come from?? I am very interested what possible foundations you could have for such a concept.

As for free will, yes it is indeed only an illusion, caused by the caudate nucleus.

God exists from people thinking it exists-so it exists in some way, not the way people may think of it, but oh well, he still exists. Rather it exists outside the minds of people is a different story-then again so is reality existing outside our minds as well, since it's our mind that allows us to be aware of what's outside, therefore the information is translated inside, therefore reality taking place inside our head as much as God is.

Now to how I think God exists, is that "God" is a term to describe everything. Every level of energy, every atom, and everything inside that atom and everything that is simply "the void" between the atoms and even between the tiny electrons where nothing exists-but that nothing has to exist so therefore that is classified as "god" as well. Since God is all powerful (black holes, etc.) the universe moving describes that power. Since God can see, feel, and know everything-it is everything. Just because all of this though-doesn't mean God has a conscience of his own. Because God is us as well, that would make us a God too. Our conscious would be flowing through it, therefore making God a collective consciousness. Not a singular being higher or better then us.

"look at my info on my account-it's very old, so I'm not obbe, although I did get the "I AM" arguement from him."

There's more than one person in the world as full of meaningless drivel as Obbe?

How the hell have you two not gotten together and pitched a show to FOX?

God exists from people thinking it exists-so it exists in some way, not the way people may think of it, but oh well, he still exists. Rather it exists outside the minds of people is a different story-then again so is reality existing outside our minds as well, since it's our mind that allows us to be aware of what's outside, therefore the information is translated inside, therefore reality taking place inside our head as much as God is.


That's why I was asking about the existence of god, not the idea of such a being. God does not exist from people thinking it exists...an idea of god exists, tautologically, BECAUSE the idea of god exists...wow. So don't say 'he exists', just say the idea exists, which doesn't mean much besides plenty of people are delusional. What I was also questioning is the idea of god and why people believe god to be this, that, or the other. Then comes your wonderful insight into what god means to you...



Now to how I think God exists, is that "God" is a term to describe everything. Every level of energy, every atom, and everything inside that atom and everything that is simply "the void" between the atoms and even between the tiny electrons where nothing exists-but that nothing has to exist so therefore that is classified as "god" as well. Since God is all powerful (black holes, etc.) the universe moving describes that power. Since God can see, feel, and know everything-it is everything. Just because all of this though-doesn't mean God has a conscience of his own. Because God is us as well, that would make us a God too. Our conscious would be flowing through it, therefore making God a collective consciousness. Not a singular being higher or better then us.

God is everything. God is the universe. So why even speak of god? It is superfluous, just say the universe/everything exists...wow. What insight. It's not even a deist god, which atleast pushed everything into existence. A pantheist god is just inane. Then you go an extra step to make nonsense, 'god is us as well, that would make us a God too.' and 'god is all powerful' So now there are multiple gods and each one of us is also all-powerful? lol

That's why I was asking about the existence of god, not the idea of such a being. God does not exist from people thinking it exists...an idea of god exists, tautologically, BECAUSE the idea of god exists...wow. So don't say 'he exists', just say the idea exists, which doesn't mean much besides plenty of people are delusional. What I was also questioning is the idea of god and why people believe god to be this, that, or the other. Then comes your wonderful insight into what god means to you...




God is everything. God is the universe. So why even speak of god? It is superfluous, just say the universe/everything exists...wow. What insight. It's not even a deist god, which atleast pushed everything into existence. A pantheist god is just inane. Then you go an extra step to make nonsense, 'god is us as well, that would make us a God too.' and 'god is all powerful' So now there are multiple gods and each one of us is also all-powerful? lol

If God is everything, then God would be classified as reality, and if we exist within this reality if the reality exists, then yes we are each God, and we are all one. Not only that though, but if the part of the brain that allows psychic abilities havn't been hindered all these years through religious control, or the slander against it, and not to mention all the fakes that are then put on TV, or that guy willing to give 1 million dollars to anyone who would do a psychic ability under controlled environments and he doesn't turn out even replying to your sent in application learning he's fake about what he's saying, but instead used on a daily basis, we would be able to do anything, and know everything. Wouldn't that be classified as Gods? Our potential is infinite.

Not only that though, but if the part of the brain that allows psychic abilities....

I realize this is off topic, but can you tell me what part of the brain is responsible for psychic ability?

I realize this is off topic, but can you tell me what part of the brain is responsible for psychic ability?

That's why I'm saying part of the brain-because I have no idea which parts. Although from my experiences, when moving things with psychokinesis I can feel certain parts. I'm pretty sure the brain is what allows these abilities to happen and not the spirit. Maybe Astral Projection and such is induced by the spirit, but as far as I can tell, its the brain and/or the mind.

The mind is actually reasonable because it has always displayed itself as the bridge between the brain and the spirit, and the conscious and the sub-conscious.

That's why I'm saying part of the brain-because I have no idea which parts. Although from my experiences, when moving things with psychokinesis I can feel certain parts. I'm pretty sure the brain is what allows these abilities to happen and not the spirit. Maybe Astral Projection and such is induced by the spirit, but as far as I can tell, its the brain and/or the mind.

The mind is actually reasonable because it has always displayed itself as the bridge between the brain and the spirit, and the conscious and the sub-conscious.

http://www.randi.org/

And don't come with the "classic" I don't need the money. I bet there's 1000s of charities that would love that money.

http://www.randi.org/research/index.html

http://www.randi.org/

And don't come with the "classic" I don't need the money. I bet there's 1000s of charities that would love that money.

http://www.randi.org/research/index.html

I agree, I mean whether you need the money or not is really unimportant. If we could prove without a shadow of a doubt that TK and PK are real it would deff benefit the rest of the word (I think anyway)

If its possible, why do people keep the act itself such a secret, but openly talk about being able to do it?

http://www.randi.org/

And don't come with the "classic" I don't need the money. I bet there's 1000s of charities that would love that money.

http://www.randi.org/research/index.html

Your a fucking idiot that didn't read my posts, I already said that guy is a fake. I tried applying to that multiple times, along with alot of my friends-he doesn't respond. Also if you didn't read the privacy statement it says he can do whatever the fuck he wants with that information that he collected if he accepts you. So even if he did accept you, and you had complete proof you could do it under controlled conditions, he can still say you didn't do shit if he wanted to. This guy just has an ego trip and is another person trying to demote the science.


I agree, I mean whether you need the money or not is really unimportant. If we could prove without a shadow of a doubt that TK and PK are real it would deff benefit the rest of the word (I think anyway)

If its possible, why do people keep the act itself such a secret, but openly talk about being able to do it?


There is proof-do it yourself, everyone can. People don't keep it a secret, I show my friends all the time. Lastly, it wouldn't benefit the rest of the world-it would only benefit the people, but the government would have alot of problems. (Security risks, proof of lieing about discontinuing gov. projects, etc.)

There is proof-do it yourself, everyone can. People don't keep it a secret, I show my friends all the time. Lastly, it wouldn't benefit the rest of the world-it would only benefit the people, but the government would have alot of problems. (Security risks, proof of lieing about discontinuing gov. projects, etc.)

Everyone may be able to, but I have yet to unlock it. As for helping the world, I don't understand how you can say it would help the people of the world but not the world. The people are the world, and if it could benefit and improve their lives, than I see no reason why it wouldnt help the world(the government is a completly different story).

Would you mind giving me some sources so I can work on it myself, since you can do it and therefore know a lot more about it than I do.