The term God-of-the-gaps argument usually refers to an argument that assumes an act of God as the explanation for an unknown phenomenon, and is a variant of an argument from ignorance. Commonly such an argument can be reduced to the following form:

There is a gap in scientific knowledge.
The gap is filled with acts of a god (and therefore also proves, or helps to prove, the existence of said god).

One example of such an argument might be as follows: "Because science can't figure out exactly how apples fall, it must be God who causes it to happen."

God appears to have been shrinking for the past 500 years or so. Christians no longer believe that the Earth is the center of the universe. Most christians do not believe the world is about 6,000 years old.

Face it. God is being cut down to size with an axe made of science. Thiests only have left what science can not yet explain. Your god is a God of the gaps. Enjoy the space we left for him b/c it will only get smaller. :)

science will prove God's existence.

science will prove God's existence.

Amen! :D

Just be strong, these atheists are sent by satan to try to weaken our faith.

Why do they always attack Christians? They know that Jesus Christ is the only way to heaven, so satan has no interest in attacking other religions.

Lastly, remember not to hate these people. BrokeProphet isn't necessarily an evil man, he's just extremely misguided and we need to help show him the truth.

Amen! :D

Just be strong, these atheists are sent by satan to try to weaken our faith.

Why do they always attack Christians? They know that Jesus Christ is the only way to heaven, so satan has no interest in attacking other religions.

Lastly, remember not to hate these people. BrokeProphet isn't necessarily an evil man, he's just extremely misguided and we need to help show him the truth.Heh, I fought and killed Satan in Shin Megami Tensei 2. Along with Lucifer and YVWH.

Seriously though, I imagine atheists attack christians like you because of how you are most ridiculously stupidly outspoken.

Heh, I fought and killed Satan in Shin Megami Tensei 2. Along with Lucifer and YVWH.

Seriously though, I imagine atheists attack christians like you because of how you are most ridiculously stupidly outspoken.

you're a douche thats going to HELL!

I am stating facts.

You worship a God that once explained the KNOWN universe and everything in it. You now worship a god who has be bested on MORE THAN ONE OCCASION by the glory and might of science.

That is a fact. Strongly worded allbeit but it is a fact.

Science will prove unicorns or dragons before God.

I am stating facts.

You worship a God that once explained the KNOWN universe and everything in it. You now worship a god who has be bested on MORE THAN ONE OCCASION by the glory and might of science.

That is a fact. Strongly worded allbeit but it is a fact.

Science will prove unicorns or dragons before God.

Scientific explanations can only go so far. There is no such thing as an infinite regress. All things in the universe are in a chain of causations, at the beginning of which is GOD.

You seem to make the horrid mistake of pitting science against God. When in reality "science" is simply mankind's method of analyzing God's creations.

you're a douche thats going to HELL!Thanks, I havent had a good laugh in a while.

You worship a God that once explained the KNOWN universe and everything in it. You now worship a god who has be bested on MORE THAN ONE OCCASION by the glory and might of science.Science hardly explains everything, mind. Where do hypotheses come from?

Thiests only have left what science can not yet explain. Your god is a God of the gaps. Enjoy the space we left for him b/c it will only get smaller. :)

What does the Christian God have to do with other thiests?

My, rolloffle, YOURE SO ORIGINAL
a christian troll. NEVER EVER SEEN THAT ONE BEFORE

My, rolloffle, YOURE SO ORIGINAL
a christian troll. NEVER EVER SEEN THAT ONE BEFORE

you like...COCK pie

LOL

pwn

Is the OP assuming that scientific progress in relation to the existence of God is a linear system in which science will disprove God?

Amen! :D

Just be strong, these atheists are sent by satan to try to weaken our faith.

Why do they always attack Christians? They know that Jesus Christ is the only way to heaven, so satan has no interest in attacking other religions.

Lastly, remember not to hate these people. BrokeProphet isn't necessarily an evil man, he's just extremely misguided and we need to help show him the truth.

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Scientific explanations can only go so far. There is no such thing as an infinite regress. All things in the universe are in a chain of causations, at the beginning of which is GOD.

You seem to make the horrid mistake of pitting science against God. When in reality "science" is simply mankind's method of analyzing God's creations.

This i couldnt agree with more, but i think the thread is more toward the christans and their god. Science does prove many christan beliefs to be wrong, but in no way means god doesnt exist just cause christans got some stuff wrong. Science is just another way to explain existance, just as religion used to. Of course many people take their religion too seriously and try to press it on others. Much of the same is true for some of those who put their stock in science as well.

Philosophy and God embody a non empirical knowledge; a metamechanical, metaphysical, knowledge. Science aims to rectify the procession of events in the physical world, that is all it was intended to do. Philosophy, in the metaphysic, which epitomizes itself in the contemplation of an architect, or a god- aims to rectify the principles that the procession of events in the physical world depend on. So Aristotle calls it the "first philosophy."

Okay... but that doesn't mean that physical evidence from this "apparent world", as you would call it, can't be used to show the flaws and inaccuracy of a certain religious or non religious philosophy. Hell, all philosophies have to have some footing in the empirical world, due to the fact that we live our lives in an empirical state.

For example... although science itself does not disprove or take away from broad philosophies such as an "unmoved mover" set all things in motion... empirical knowledge such as the theory of evolution, carbon dating, etc etc can take a whole lot away from very specific philosophies such as Christianity. Because the Christian religion/philosophy was created in order to fit and be played out in the empirical world.... it is very subject to the counter evidence found in the empirical world. Still, yes, old Jehovah may exist... But when you look at all of the empirical inaccuracy of the Christian bible... things don't look good.


And OP, atheists like you scare me. I think there is something to be said about that... seeing as how I am a very strong atheist. You remind me of that south park... where they all run around worshiping science. Science is not necessarily something to fill the shoes of old gods. Although you highly value science and rationality... don't forget that atheism itself is more irrational than creation religious views, due to the fact that the human mind cannot comprehend something always existing, or something coming from nothing! Atheism is very irrational in comparison to the belief of a God.

Don't get me wrong... and this is my point... be careful not to put too much power in rationality. It does in fact, have it's limits. Like I said, I'm a very strong atheist... and although I see atheism as irrational, for me it is a greatly favored alternative to rational suggestion theists make, that my mind and consciousness will never allow me to believe or agree with.

Does this make sense to you?

My, rolloffle, YOURE SO ORIGINAL
a christian troll. NEVER EVER SEEN THAT ONE BEFORE

You think being an outspoken atheist is original? :rolleyes:

And OP, atheists like you scare me. I think there is something to be said about that... seeing as how I am a very strong atheist. You remind me of that south park... where they all run around worshiping science. Science is not necessarily something to fill the shoes of old gods. Although you highly value science and rationality... don't forget that atheism itself is more irrational than creation religious views, due to the fact that the human mind cannot comprehend something always existing, or something coming from nothing! Atheism is very irrational in comparison to the belief of a God.

Don't get me wrong... and this is my point... be careful not to put too much power in rationality. It does in fact, have it's limits. Like I said, I'm a very strong atheist... and although I see atheism as irrational, for me it is a greatly favored alternative to rational suggestion theists make, that my mind and consciousness will never allow me to believe or agree with.

Does this make sense to you?

I see what you are saying.

I do however think if more people were scientific and less supernatural we would have a better world. I think in order for science to work you have to believe in the self-correcting truth process that is science. Answers...TRUTH...will not be known if we try to fit a mystical answer into a logical problem.

A logical problem would be ...... The big bang .... something from nothing. We cannot comprehend that you are correct. We can try. We can try, and should, to do so without resorting to "GOD DID IT".

GOD DID IT can answer.....ahem.....EVERYTHING and do so without ANY scientific proof whatsoever. Science....NOT GOD has made this world better. People live longer happier lives in countries where the people have told the church to FUCK OFF and science was finally FREED.

B/C speculation without proof is pointless and in many cases counterproductive......religious beliefs that answer what is in the domain of science is pointless and counterproductive.

IF CHRISTIANS TRULY BELIEVE then leave science alone. If your God exists scientists will find it. You have to be patient though. You cannot try to dictate what science is or what should be taught in schools to our children. Just be patient. After all, it is not like they are going to disprove god or anything. If you possess the truth christians then you need not worry about it being disproven. The truth cannot be disproven.

I see what you are saying.

I do however think if more people were scientific and less supernatural we would have a better world. I think in order for science to work you have to believe in the self-correcting truth process that is science. Answers...TRUTH...will not be known if we try to fit a mystical answer into a logical problem.

A logical problem would be ...... The big bang .... something from nothing. We cannot comprehend that you are correct. We can try. We can try, and should, to do so without resorting to "GOD DID IT".

GOD DID IT can answer.....ahem.....EVERYTHING and do so without ANY scientific proof whatsoever. Science....NOT GOD has made this world better. People live longer happier lives in countries where the people have told the church to FUCK OFF and science was finally FREED.

B/C speculation without proof is pointless and in many cases counterproductive......religious beliefs that answer what is in the domain of science is pointless and counterproductive.

IF CHRISTIANS TRULY BELIEVE then leave science alone. If your God exists scientists will find it. You have to be patient though. You cannot try to dictate what science is or what should be taught in schools to our children. Just be patient. After all, it is not like they are going to disprove god or anything. If you possess the truth christians then you need not worry about it being disproven. The truth cannot be disproven.

I agree, I think the belief of god for individual people is irrelavant when you look at it like that. Its not the fact that you believe there is a god or not, its whether you can accept what is rational and logical. If god is a rational logical thing to you, by all means have at it, and if you dont believe in god thats good for you too. The point is if a religion is proven to be obviously wrong, even if some small part of it is, we should accept it and move on.

Could someone explain to me, why are Jesus' preachings so different from the ones of God?

If God exists loves us all, then why does he threaten to make us suffer all the time?

One could argue that God did or did not create life on Earth or the Universe, but I don't think that one could argue that God still watches life on Earth and interferes into it.

God of the Gaps will simply never work. Since the ascendancy of science, more and more phenomena have been explained. However, the reason that Christianity has been so successful is that it can not be disproven. Many faith-based religions like Christianity have been successful for the same reason. The survival of the fittest religion is evident, which touches on the MEME theory. No matter how small the gaps get, the question of creation will always trouble people. Irrational explanations will fill the gaps. The progression of science in explaining the nature of "everything" is like an asymptote; there will always be something that we do not know, and though we may get very close to understanding everything, empirical observation will be limited by our brain's inability to do so. The universe is queerer than we can suppose, and religions like Christianity will continue to win over people who can't accept human limitation.

I do not believe that science will disprove god. In order to do that you have to determine life after death which of course presents many problems when trying to find out scientifically.

I know that science will TRY to find the anwers to everything it can. It delivers truth whenever it can. This truth has shown christian lies for what they are time and time again. This is why christians fear science. This is why their god has shrunk down small enough to fill in the gaps where science fails explanation.

I just realized something.

There are not a lot of religous people denying any of this. Nobody denying the shrinking nature of god. There is little to no argument here.

I bet if I started a "there is no good or evil" thread christians would have enough wiggle room for some bullshitty speculative arguments that the thread would reach 20+ pages.

I just realized something.

There are not a lot of religous people denying any of this. Nobody denying the shrinking nature of god. There is little to no argument here.

I bet if I started a "there is no good or evil" thread christians would have enough wiggle room for some bullshitty speculative arguments that the thread would reach 20+ pages.

Do it.

I have a feeling I'll be on your side, haha.

science will prove God's existence.

Hah, if only

The other happy ending would be everyone keeping their religion to themselves. Too bad neither scenarios seem likely at this time

Have you heard artificial life will be created in 3 to 10 years in the lab?

Artificial Life Likely in 3 to 10 Years
Aug 19 11:52 PM US/Eastern
By SETH BORENSTEIN

WASHINGTON (AP) - Around the world, a handful of scientists are trying to create life from scratch and they're getting closer.

Experts expect an announcement within three to 10 years from someone in the now little-known field of "wet artificial life."

"It's going to be a big deal and everybody's going to know about it," said Mark Bedau, chief operating officer of ProtoLife of Venice, Italy, one of those in the race. "We're talking about a technology that could change our world in pretty fundamental ways—in fact, in ways that are impossible to predict."

That first cell of synthetic life—made from the basic chemicals in DNA—may not seem like much to non-scientists. For one thing, you'll have to look in a microscope to see it.

"Creating protocells has the potential to shed new light on our place in the universe," Bedau said. "This will remove one of the few fundamental mysteries about creation in the universe and our role."

And several scientists believe man-made life forms will one day offer the potential for solving a variety of problems, from fighting diseases to locking up greenhouse gases to eating toxic waste.

Bedau figures there are three major hurdles to creating synthetic life:

—A container, or membrane, for the cell to keep bad molecules out, allow good ones, and the ability to multiply.

—A genetic system that controls the functions of the cell, enabling it to reproduce and mutate in response to environmental changes.

—A metabolism that extracts raw materials from the environment as food and then changes it into energy.

One of the leaders in the field, Jack Szostak at Harvard Medical School, predicts that within the next six months, scientists will report evidence that the first step—creating a cell membrane—is "not a big problem." Scientists are using fatty acids in that effort.

Szostak is also optimistic about the next step—getting nucleotides, the building blocks of DNA, to form a working genetic system.

His idea is that once the container is made, if scientists add nucleotides in the right proportions, then Darwinian evolution could simply take over.

"We aren't smart enough to design things, we just let evolution do the hard work and then we figure out what happened," Szostak said.

In Gainesville, Fla., Steve Benner, a biological chemist at the Foundation for Applied Molecular Evolution is attacking that problem by going outside of natural genetics. Normal DNA consists of four bases—adenine, cytosine, guanine and thymine (known as A,C,G,T)—molecules that spell out the genetic code in pairs. Benner is trying to add eight new bases to the genetic alphabet.

Bedau said there are legitimate worries about creating life that could "run amok," but there are ways of addressing it, and it will be a very long time before that is a problem.

"When these things are created, they're going to be so weak, it'll be a huge achievement if you can keep them alive for an hour in the lab," he said. "But them getting out and taking over, never in our imagination could this happen."

(This version CORRECTS Bedau quote to "shed new light")

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8R4H0Q00&show_article=1

Hmm.. I should've gone to a medical school, I guess. I still don't get how EXACTLY are the chains of DNA read, and how then specific cells are built in specific areas according to it.

science will prove God's existence.

what reason could you possibly have to think that?


the only things there are, are your thoughts and what you see, hear, taste, feel, and smell.

your beliefs are just thoughts.

what reason could you possibly have to think that?


the only things there are, are your thoughts and what you see, hear, taste, feel, and smell.

your beliefs are just thoughts.

Actually everything that you see, hear, taste, feel, and smell are only what your brain percieves. Your senses are really just interpretations of the brain. What makes that any different than a thought?