Originally Posted by Rolloffle
According to the Bible, when man was first created he was perfect and would never die; however, man's sin separated him from God and introduced death into the world.

If man was created to the true will of God, God should have made that man didn't act in a sinful way. The only reason why we act to the ways of sin is because of our human curiousity, Which leaded to our 'above all standing species' that we are. If the evolutionary point where we started to think 'different' is the point where we realised we were above all of God's creatures, isn't that certain point then the moment where we became our own God?
In other terms, if people would follow their instinctive feelings more rather than their brain, wouldn't that take us one step closer to God?
After all it was God that said that a childs mind is the purest of all.

I am God. You are God, and we all are God.

After all it was God that said that a childs mind is the purest of all.

Really? :confused:

If man was created to the true will of God, God should have made that man didn't act in a sinful way. The only reason why we act to the ways of sin is because of our human curiousity, Which leaded to our 'above all standing species' that we are. If the evolutionary point where we started to think 'different' is the point where we realised we were above all of God's creatures, isn't that certain point then the moment where we became our own God?
In other terms, if people would follow their instinctive feelings more rather than their brain, wouldn't that take us one step closer to God?
After all it was God that said that a childs mind is the purest of all.

Personally I believe that eating from the tree of good and evil is a metaphor of sorts for our loss of innocence, and that our loss of innocence was neccesary fro us to become true human beings. We had to be aware of right and wrong to achieve God's likeness. I would then say that sin is neccesary to posses free-will, as when you perform an act you can evaluate how right or wrong it is and it is the knowledge of right and wrong that brings with it the concept of sin... Or something...

Personally, from what I've read, and from what I think it should be the very opposite of following our impulses. If we were innocent, then yes, following our impulses would be fine, but when you throw such things as pleasure, greed and so on you find that our impulses are slightly less righteous.

The natural instincts are not neccesarily towards sin, but include sin. To use the Bible, Wisdom is often praised, and stupid people are, well, called stupid, from what I've read an emphasis is put on thinking about your actions, and maitaining self-regard, as opposed to following instincts. Those said to be wise think about what they say and do, whereas the fool follows instinct.

So, from a Christian view, no, I don't think instincts our instincts are a path to God.

In other terms, if people would follow their instinctive feelings more rather than their brain, wouldn't that take us one step closer to God?
After all it was God that said that a childs mind is the purest of all.

What do your instincts say?

EDIT: Your also confusing the 'brain' with the inquisitive nature of humans - it's almost instinctive for us to be curious about the things we don't know.

We were all created in God's image. Therefore we all have the power in ourselves to become like God, but no man will ever be able to destroy God himself. God created your life, and he and he alone has the power to take it away. Never dare cross him, because he is more powerful than you could ever imagine.

We are All One--and that "we" includes God--in no way are we separate. I have been taught, and accept as true, that you can't understand God, you can't define God, and you can't contain God--God being infinite and all.

However, if you don't look at yourself, you can be God.

You are the eyes with which God looks, and the mind through which God understands itself.

And life--life is eternal, immortal, immutable--it never began, so it can never end. As it was in the beginning, is now, and ever shall be.

We are All One--and that "we" includes God--in no way are we separate. I have been taught, and accept as true, that you can't underrstand God, you can't define God, and you can't contain God--God being infinite and all.

However, if you don't look at yourself, you can be God.

You are the eyes with which God looks, and the mind through which God understands itself.

And life--life is eternal, immortal, immutable--it never began, so it can never end. As it was in the beginning, is now, and ever shall be.

:) Nice.

We are All One--and that "we" includes God--in no way are we separate. I have been taught, and accept as true, that you can't underrstand God, you can't define God, and you can't contain God--God being infinite and all.

However, if you don't look at yourself, you can be God.

You are the eyes with which God looks, and the mind through which God understands itself.

And life--life is eternal, immortal, immutable--it never began, so it can never end. As it was in the beginning, is now, and ever shall be.


Cool opinion.

We are All One--and that "we" includes God--in no way are we separate. I have been taught, and accept as true, that you can't underrstand God, you can't define God, and you can't contain God--God being infinite and all.

However, if you don't look at yourself, you can be God.

You are the eyes with which God looks, and the mind through which God understands itself.

And life--life is eternal, immortal, immutable--it never began, so it can never end. As it was in the beginning, is now, and ever shall be.Taoistic.

We are All One--and that "we" includes God--in no way are we separate. I have been taught, and accept as true, that you can't underrstand God, you can't define God, and you can't contain God--God being infinite and all.

However, if you don't look at yourself, you can be God.

You are the eyes with which God looks, and the mind through which God understands itself.

And life--life is eternal, immortal, immutable--it never began, so it can never end. As it was in the beginning, is now, and ever shall be.

Too bad you cannot fit all of that on a fortune cookie.

Too bad you cannot fit all of that on a fortune cookie.

I lawled.

Bt in my view, I am my own God, not in a omnipotent kind of way, but I am the only one with pure and total control of myself. It was't some dood in the clouds that lets me be free, giving free will is kind of ironic/oxymoron to me. Can you really 'give' free will. Is it something you can realy just give out like candy, and deny another? Is it really free if someone has to give it to you, and say that you have it? It just doesn't make sernse to me.

We are All One--and that "we" includes God--in no way are we separate. I have been taught, and accept as true, that you can't underrstand God, you can't define God, and you can't contain God--God being infinite and all.

However, if you don't look at yourself, you can be God.

You are the eyes with which God looks, and the mind through which God understands itself.

And life--life is eternal, immortal, immutable--it never began, so it can never end. As it was in the beginning, is now, and ever shall be.

That is wonderful:)
I think that the relation God/human is the same kind we have with our machines, elektricity, computers in special.. It's a 'lesser' kind of life which will never be able to "understand" who his creator is, but we do need eachother in life. It's the symbiosis flower/insect, money/government ;) etc....
In that case we shouldn't even think about trying to understand God, and all we have to know is that it's a being of love, just like we all are. Once the human mind is focused on this and realises it's been walking the wrong path since thousands of years, we can re-invent our culture and make it in a statement of love and unity.

But it'll always be easier to make guns and just blow eachother's head off.

We are All One--and that "we" includes God--in no way are we separate. I have been taught, and accept as true, that you can't underrstand God, you can't define God, and you can't contain God--God being infinite and all.

However, if you don't look at yourself, you can be God.

You are the eyes with which God looks, and the mind through which God understands itself.

And life--life is eternal, immortal, immutable--it never began, so it can never end. As it was in the beginning, is now, and ever shall be.

These words absolutely inspire and provoke me to show as much love and compassion I can in Life.

If humanity hadn't evolved past the point of being a stupid arboreal primate with a short life expectancy then we would have still lived "sinfully" It's just we would not have had the understanding of our world to recognise we were living sinfully.
The only reason this concept of sin came about is because the proliferation of tool use amongst early man shortened the length of time we humans were forced to devote to kepping ourselves fed, and gave us time to marvel and ponder at the world around us.

The only reason this concept of sin came about is because the proliferation of tool use amongst early man shortened the length of time we humans were forced to devote to kepping ourselves fed, and gave us time to marvel and ponder at the world around us.

Then perhaps the first instance of this would be that of using flint to create fire.

It is said that the truly ancient societies did infact worship fire, which is hardily surprising considering it's benefits (keeping wild animals away, warmth, cooking, light in the dark.)

Which supports my theory that all energy is divine (which makes the entire universe divine, i know.).

What you have there isn't a theory, it's a hypothesis.
Personally I don't agree that everything is divine, just because something works doesn't mean that it is divine. But that doesn't mean to say that you can't believe whatever you want.

I lawled.

Bt in my view, I am my own God, not in a omnipotent kind of way, but I am the only one with pure and total control of myself.

I'm sort of the opposite there, I recognise instead that I have very little, if any, control over myself. Not REAL control anyway.

It was't some dood in the clouds that lets me be free, giving free will is kind of ironic/oxymoron to me. Can you really 'give' free will. Is it something you can realy just give out like candy, and deny another? Is it really free if someone has to give it to you, and say that you have it? It just doesn't make sernse to me.

Personally, I think that a free-will isn't something we all really have anyway. We have bits and pieces of free-will, but in my mind, Free-will would require us to have absolute control over our lives and decisions, and that any decision would not inherently be anymore worthy than another. It may have a differant quality, but it would not be special or worthwile in it's own right.

You have to kill a god to become a god

Taoistic.


Maybe. Also Buddhist, Sufi Muslim, Christian mystic, etc etc. . . . .

the story of adam and eve isn't about loss of innocence or anything like that. its the story of how humans got free will. God wanted adam and eve to eat from the tree of knowledge, if he didn't then why would he forbid a delicious fruit. Especially fruit from something called the tree of knowledge. Plus before adam and eve ate the apple they were naked and unashamed like the animals. After that they chose to wear clothes and had a sense of right and wrong because the were sad they had been banished.

so you see, there is more than one interpretation to pretty much every story in the bible. So next time one of you finds a flaw in christian thinking, stop and realize more than one group of people consider the old testament as holy text and that the other groups may think of things a little differently than you are used to.

So, from a Christian view, no, I don't think instincts our instincts are a path to God.

Well of course not.

Being that I see nearly all religions as nothing more than tools for social control, it goes without saying that following your instincts is a no-no.

For example, instinct tells me not to pay, or even recognize a church when I want to have sex (basic instinct, according to church, I need to get married in the eyes of God and fill the church's coffers for the ceremony). Same thing with a funeral.

Catholics are amazing when it comes to rules and a cash only church system. I would say unrivaled in their revenues.

For example, Catholics believe divorce is unforgivable. It is more acceptable to murder your wife than to divorce her (Henry the VIII, anyone). HOWEVER, you can get an anullment performed by the church (for a hefty fee of course) that will okay you in the eyes of God and allow the church to perform another holy service for you.

To bad, Henry VIII Created the Church of England by separating the English Catholic Church from the Roman Catholic Church. He established the monarch as the Supreme Governor of the Church of England. He brought the Church of England to power and helped in the English Reformations... Is that really Catholic anymore?

If man was created to the true will of God, God should have made that man didn't act in a sinful way. The only reason why we act to the ways of sin is because of our human curiousity, Which leaded to our 'above all standing species' that we are. If the evolutionary point where we started to think 'different' is the point where we realised we were above all of God's creatures, isn't that certain point then the moment where we became our own God?
In other terms, if people would follow their instinctive feelings more rather than their brain, wouldn't that take us one step closer to God?
After all it was God that said that a childs mind is the purest of all.

How are we above the rest of creatures? Insects will outlast us without the slightest problem.

Its an ego to think you are supreme over the animals... One of those conspiracy theorist said: "Humans have out sheeped the sheep. Sheep need Sheep Dog's to keep them under control where as we keep other's under control by ridiculing and condemning one another's views." For those who believe we are spiritually equal to the all as the saying goes "As Above; So Below, As Within; So without."

Its an ego to think you are supreme over the animals... One of those conspiracy theorist said: "Humans have out sheeped the sheep. Sheep need Sheep Dog's to keep them under control where as we keep other's under control by ridiculing and condemning one another's views." For those who believe we are spiritually equal to the all as the saying goes "As Above; So Below, As Within; So without."


There is only one thing that has and still keeps humans under control.

Fear.

Than its our job to transcend it; thats where the Human Will to survive comes in. Use that energy not to run but to say "NO! I WILL NOT SUBMIT TO YOU!"

You have to kill a god to become a god

hahaha just like Kratos....

If man was created to the true will of God, God should have made that man didn't act in a sinful way. The only reason why we act to the ways of sin is because of our human curiousity, Which leaded to our 'above all standing species' that we are. If the evolutionary point where we started to think 'different' is the point where we realised we were above all of God's creatures, isn't that certain point then the moment where we became our own God?
In other terms, if people would follow their instinctive feelings more rather than their brain, wouldn't that take us one step closer to God?
After all it was God that said that a childs mind is the purest of all.


no, we wouldnt be god or any closer, how can you be closer to god than you already are? even kids are still selfish in their own way still greedy littlebastards who want "more candy, i want that!" theyre probibly the same way as really small babies but just unable to express themselves.
your brain controls your instincts, theres this story of a man who was shipwrecked and was floating along and caught a fish in his life boat, he started eating the meat of the fish but soon was no longer hungry for the fishes meat, he picked out the eyes and ate them, he ate some vital organs that he if was thinking ordinarily would find repulsive and his mind made his body "crave" these organs because it knew it needed the nutrients in the organs. so if we followed our instincts than we would still eventually fuck ourselves into aids, kill others when were angry, or threatend and life would just be bad.
and wasnt it pandora that releases the evils onto man? not god himself making man already evil, does that work for christianity or is that just greek?