Seriously. All he did was get pissed with God's ways of doing things and his authoritarian tendencies and decided to give humans knowledge, and he was kicked out of Heavens and made the baddie of all baddies.

That makes no sense.

I think we should stop listening to God's propaganda (and obviously he would want to bash Lucifer and make himself look good in it), and think for ourselves. We're not getting any Lucifer's points of view in the Bible now, are we? Whatever happened to freedom of speech?

Because lucifer is too much of a motherfucker to have disciples - i assume.

It gets weirder when you think of the tower of Babel. They were all of one mind and nothing could have stood in their way, so god screwed them over. Or in Eden when they discovered right and wrong, god screwed them over. It seems that if you get a little knowledge or become somewhat independent you get smacked....

Isn't satan's translation mean, the nemesis, or something like that? Not evil?





Minions Attack!

Satan WILL win.

And the book of revelations?

HA! That's just God's smack talk.

"Hey, God, we're getting annoyed at Satan...what you gonna do about it?"

"Err...yeah...I'll kick his ass...don't worry"

"Ok...when?"

"On...er...judgment day"

"Ok...when's that?"

"Errr.......666....errrr......1000 years....yeah...*cough*....don't worry"

Isn't satan's translation mean, the nemesis, or something like that? Not evil?

As far as I remember, Lucifer means "bringer of light".

One day I should start a business in Electricity and call it Lucifer.

As far as I remember, Lucifer means "bringer of light".

One day I should start a business in Electricity and call it Lucifer.

We get "Lucifer" from Isaiah 14:12 where "morning star" is translated as such. Of course Jesus is called "the bright Morning Star" in Revelation 22:16....

Food for thought.... :cool:

We get "Lucifer" from Isaiah 14:12 where "morning star" is translated as such. Of course Jesus is called "the bright Morning Star" in Revelation 22:16....

Food for thought.... :cool:

In Revelation 22:16, Jesus is also called "root".

More food for thought! :cool:

In Revelation 22:16, Jesus is also called "root".

More food for thought! :cool:

LOL... :p

We get "Lucifer" from Isaiah 14:12 where "morning star" is translated as such. Of course Jesus is called "the bright Morning Star" in Revelation 22:16....

Food for thought.... :cool:

Um, sort of... but not really.

Lucifer dates back to the Romans (even further actually to the Greeks, but they called him something else). He was the God of the morning and evening star, and he was the bearer of light. I find this kind of funny, because when one thinks of the "bearer of light", it tends to make a lot of connections to things like understanding and knowledge... intellect etc. It has a very very positive connotation.

I think one of the biggest and most under rated arguments against the accuracy of Christianity (or I should say, the Abrahamic faiths) is the OBVIOUS clash in characters/stories with the Roman gods, popular at the onset of Judaism. These religions borrow SO much from classical mythology... they incorporate SO much from a system of beliefs that have become true fiction and complete silliness to humans today. The last remaining Roman gods, are the ones preserved in Christianity. If one reads into the classics, it becomes ridiculous how often you run across stories that preceded the bible... that the old testament incorporates. Check out Ovid's metamorphoses.

Also, I think it says something about where these newer faith's moralities lie, when you notice facts such as "Lucifer" the "bearer of light"... being thrown out of heaven.

I'm no expert on this, or ancient biblical text or anything along those lines... This is just what I've interpreted from reading various classics.

Um, sort of... but not really.

Lucifer dates back to the Romans (even further actually to the Greeks, but they called him something else). He was the God of the morning and evening star, and he was the bearer of light. I find this kind of funny, because when one thinks of the "bearer of light", it tends to make a lot of connections to things like understanding and knowledge... intellect etc. It has a very very positive connotation.

I think one of the biggest and most under rated arguments against the accuracy of Christianity (or I should say, the Abrahamic faiths) is the OBVIOUS clash in characters/stories with the Roman gods, popular at the onset of Judaism. These religions borrow SO much from classical mythology... they incorporate SO much from a system of beliefs that have become true fiction and complete silliness to humans today. The last remaining Roman gods, are the ones preserved in Christianity. If one reads into the classics, it becomes ridiculous how often you run across stories that preceded the bible... that the old testament incorporates. Check out Ovid's metamorphoses.

Also, I think it says something about where these newer faith's moralities lie, when you notice facts such as "Lucifer" the "bearer of light"... being thrown out of heaven.

I'm no expert on this, or ancient biblical text or anything along those lines... This is just what I've interpreted from reading various classics.

Quite true.... that the Romans were the main exporters of what we now call Christianity should make any comparison to their divinities plain.

Lucifer has always struck me as Promethean in nature.... I have much "sympathy for the Devil."

Prometheus is a good analogy.

Then again, so would be any tragic hero from antiquity. Another interesting concept, is seeing how the ancient ideas on "hubris" have found a way to carry themselves through the ages, and effect us even today in our lives.

Prometheus is a good analogy.

Thanx....

Then again, so would be any tragic hero from antiquity. Another interesting concept, is seeing how the ancient ideas on "hubris" have found a way to carry themselves through the ages, and effect us even today in our lives.

Quite true.

Seriously. All he did was get pissed with God's ways of doing things and his authoritarian tendencies and decided to give humans knowledge, and he was kicked out of Heavens and made the baddie of all baddies.


Because Christian fairy tales encourage sitting back and being a dumb fuck. It's easier that way.

I wonder when Rolloffe's input will come into this? Or if he can think of anything at all.

And if he does, will it not be filled with "Because God said so!!" crap? I think it will

I wonder when Rolloffe's input will come into this? Or if he can think of anything at all.

And if he does, will it not be filled with "Because God said so!!" crap? I think it will

Wow man.

You fucking- owned-- him.

:rolleyes:

Why dont more people realize Rollofle is a troll?

Besides, Lucifer was kicked out before he showed humans the concept of right and wrong.

Why dont more people realize Rollofle is a troll?


Seriously. He has a picture of Bill Kellar in his profile, for Christ's sake.

Why dont more people realize Rollofle is a troll?

Because we love to hate him

"Why dont more people realize Rollofle is a troll?"

He most definitely is, but let's be honest... there are a lot of people out there that are just like him, and they're not trying to be funny or get a rise out of people.

I mean, look at the dumb shit Rollofle posts; he probably doesn't believe any of it, but there are a fuckton of other people out there that really buy into that shit, and that's scary.

I've said time and time again, there is no Buffy type Uber Bad in the Bible.

You wanna see the devil then look in the mirror.

I've met some truly 'evil' people, people like a former state torturer (and i do mean torture), and you know the really scary thing? They were all so horribly normal.

I've met some truly 'evil' people, people like a former state torturer (and i do mean torture), and you know the really scary thing? They were all so horribly normal.

Then there's the paraboot wearing abortion clinic bombers

What others call god = all the light that exists in the world

What others call "the devil", Lucifer, Satan = all the darkness that exists in the world.

It was necessary for Lucifer to be created, because he is the exact opposite of God, he is god's negative.

in order to balance the equation of life, it was necessary to put both good AND evil into the creation, otherwise we would all live in paradise and nothing bad would ever happen.

Now where's the spiritual learning experience in that?

I would rather we all live in the Garden of Eden, but for some reason whatever we call lucifer decided to be a dickhead and spread evil throughout our lands, and we destroyed the greatest creation of all as a result.

We can rebuild everything though, you just have to have the right pieces of the puzzle together, and human beings have to learn to work together rather than start wars and kill each other like idiots.

I wonder when Rolloffe's input will come into this? Or if he can think of anything at all.

And if he does, will it not be filled with "Because God said so!!" crap? I think it will

Beware, blasphemer--lest the Lord of hostess twinkies smite thee with his mighty, uh, smiter.

Beware, blasphemer--lest the Lord of hostess twinkies smite thee with his mighty, uh, smiter.

his?

lol.

hermaphrodite twinkie - who'd of thought it?

EDIT: Also; Rollofle is bill kellar? did i hear that right?

his?

lol.

hermaphrodite twinkie - who'd of thought it?

EDIT: Also; Rollofle is bill kellar? did i hear that right?

Huh... where did you get that? That would be too funny....