A friend of mine and I at work were having a discussion about various religious viewpoints (mostly differences between Jewish and Christian beliefs). Anyway, we were talking about the seven deadly sins. Lust was a confusing one for me. I knew what lust is, but the way he tried to explain it made it really confusing, because there are apparently so many things that can determine whether or not what you are doing is lusting. He said it is when you look at a woman and have a strong desire for sex with that woman. Now wait a second. So if you look at a woman who happens to be attractive and it causes an erection, that is lust? When you fantasize as you fap about girls at school or work, is that lust? Please explain.

A friend of mine and I at work were having a discussion about various religious viewpoints (mostly differences between Jewish and Christian beliefs). Anyway, we were talking about the seven deadly sins. Lust was a confusing one for me. I knew what lust is, but the way he tried to explain it made it really confusing, because there are apparently so many things that can determine whether or not what you are doing is lusting. He said it is when you look at a woman and have a strong desire for sex with that woman. Now wait a second. So if you look at a woman who happens to be attractive and it causes an erection, that is lust? When you fantasize as you fap about girls at school or work, is that lust? Please explain.

Lust is when your natural human desire to procreate causes you to think about sexual acts without the permission of the Church.

It is a form of social control and a hell of a recruitment tool. I will explain. Nearly EVERY human on this planet desires sexual gratification.

So we have established something everyone wants.
Now we make it a sin. Make people feel guilty about it. Ashamed.
Now we offer a way to take that shame away. Marriage. Which is of course done through the Church.

If you did not follow this you were a heathen and risked excommunication and/or execution.

So many years ago if you wanted a piece of pussy and did not wished to be ridden with guilt or murdered or refused social services you said "I love God and Jesus" and tithed 10% your money to the church.

The walls of a prison are built with laws.
The walls of a brothel are built with religion.

so what acts are considered forbidden? can you fantasize about a person? i know for a fact you can fap, but is there a rule banning fantasizing while fapping?

so what acts are considered forbidden? can you fantasize about a person? i know for a fact you can fap, but is there a rule banning fantasizing while fapping?

You are basing your guilt on the seven deadly sins in the christian religion.

If you want to not feel guilty.......tell god to eat shit and die and rid yourself of the meme complex you are currently affected with find a slut, fuck her any way you want.

or

Go to church....find a woman there....marry her in the eyes of the lord....and fuck her the way your religion tells you too. I think missionary is the proper way.

Those are your options. Read my above post for the reason behind the shame associated with lust.

I always looked at the so called seven deadly sins as realms where moderation is essential. Things you should avoid but not abhor.

Pride, envy, and greed? Well hell, you need to have a healthy amount in order to do anything with your life. You just can't let it control you or you'll be constantly miserabel.

Lust? If God didn't want you to feel it, it wouldn't be natural. Too much can cause

Sloth? I've wasted days of my life because it was easier to sit around watching TV than actually finish my work or whatever.

Gluttony? Food rocks, but nobody likes a fatty.

As for wrath, well. Christianity is all about forgiveness, right? I've been angry at people for no legitimate reason and it's caused no good in the world.

That's my interpretation, and I'm sticking to it. So if you disagree, fuck off and die.
...but I forgive you anyway...?

Lust is the conscious fantasizing. Having random sexual thoughts when you look at a hot guy isn't lust, it's natural.

But fapping to them is lust.
And expanding those thoughts is lust, as in active daydreaming.
So is sex that isn't PURELY for procreation.

When you have such feelings, "God" says:
push them down and stifle them. Don't let them surface, or you're a bad person.

All sins are deadly, the Bible doesn't make an distinction.

However, the only thing that will send you to hell is rejecting Jesus Christ.

Jesus died on the cross (and fulfilled numerous Jewish prophecies) so your sins could be forgiven and you can be reconciled with God.

However, the only thing that will send you to hell is rejecting Jesus Christ.

Jesus died on the cross (and fulfilled numerous Jewish prophecies) so your sins could be forgiven and you can be reconciled with God.

Why did jesus have to die in order for our sins to be forgiven?

All sins are deadly, the Bible doesn't make an distinction.

However, the only thing that will send you to hell is rejecting Jesus Christ.

Jesus died on the cross (and fulfilled numerous Jewish prophecies) so your sins could be forgiven and you can be reconciled with God.

Look up winter solstice. Look it the fuck up. Jesus is the last in a LOOOOOOONG line of almost identical stories.

I will not worship the sun. It is a hydrogen fusion furnace and I am grateful for it's life giving properties but until it shows itself to be a sentient creature I will not fucking worship it.

Why did jesus have to die in order for our sins to be forgiven?

The story goes he healed the rift between heaven and Earth......it goes back to the ark of the covenant and animal sacrifice. Jesus was the fullfillment of the covenant and the perfect unblemished sacrifice so that we do not have to sacrifice animals to god anymore. We pitiful humans are born into this filthy unperfect world covered in sin. God could not acknowledge us and let us into heaven b/c we were BORN being such nasty retches. Jesus was born without sin and died for our sins so that we may go to heaven.

It is all a pantload based on the the movements of the sun and stars. It is deeply pagan. It is more egyptian than anything.

The reality is on december 22th the sun stops all noticable movement southward for 3 days in the vicinity of a constellation called the crux. On december 25th the three stars in oriens belt (tradtionally called the three kings) along with the brightest star in the eastern sky (sirius) line up to point to the rising sun which moves north one degree.

This action symbolizes the rebirth of the sun (which appeared to stop moving....freaking the people out) which was our salvation from winter (winter has ALWAYS been a symbol of death).

MANY, MANY ANCIENT PAGAN RELIGIONS HAVE THE SAME STORY.

The story goes he healed the rift between heaven and Earth......it goes back to the ark of the covenant and animal sacrifice. Jesus was the fullfillment of the covenant and the perfect unblemished sacrifice so that we do not have to sacrifice animals to god anymore. We pitiful humans are born into this filthy unperfect world covered in sin. God could not acknowledge us and let us into heaven b/c we were BORN being such nasty retches. Jesus was born without sin and died for our sins so that we may go to heaven.

It is all a pantload based on the the movements of the sun and stars. It is deeply pagan. It is more egyptian than anything.

The reality is on december 22th the sun stops all noticable movement southward for 3 days in the vicinity of a constellation called the crux. On december 25th the three stars in oriens belt (tradtionally called the three kings) along with the brightest star in the eastern sky (sirius) line up to point to the rising sun which moves north one degree.

This action symbolizes the rebirth of the sun (which appeared to stop moving....freaking the people out) which was our salvation from winter (winter has ALWAYS been a symbol of death).

MANY, MANY ANCIENT PAGAN RELIGIONS HAVE THE SAME STORY.

God set us up to live in this "filthy unperfect world covered in sin" when he created whatever it was that adam and eve ate. So god sets us up to fail, has us live thousands of years in fear/death/hatred/sin only for god to appear in the form of one of us, and die. And this magically cancels out all sin?

apparently

But we HAD THE CHOICE to not "eat the fruit"

our bad

even if we didn't know. that's where the whole "knowledge (of good and evil)" comes in.

we (supposedly) didn't know. then we did. oops.

apparently

But we HAD THE CHOICE to not "eat the fruit"

our bad

even if we didn't know. that's where the whole "knowledge (of good and evil)" comes in.

we (supposedly) didn't know. then we did. oops.

God told adam and eve explicitly not to eat the fruit, and they knew better. They chose to deliberately disobey him, letting a serpent talk them into it.

It is a story of how awesome god is and how he gave our ancestors a chance and b/c they fucked up we all suffer on down the line with disease, misery, and death.

It answers the question of "Why does god seem like such a dick when you see an infant with tumors all over it's body" "Seems kinda, dickish"

The answer is that we did that to ourselves by becoming mortal, listening to the devil eating the fruit god forbid but most of all D I S O B E Y I N G ! ! !

The moral is pretty fucking clear here. Dont disobey god. Dont disobey his church. Dont disobey his church's representative.

God told adam and eve explicitly not to eat the fruit, and they knew better. They chose to deliberately disobey him, letting a serpent talk them into it.

K
i know
that's what i'm saying

except

they really didn't know better, when you think about it, because they didn't have the knowledge of what was good and what wasn't.. it was just

listen to the voice in the sky

or listen to the serpent, who peaks your curiosity and thirst for power/knowledge

The reality is on december 22th the sun stops all noticable movement southward for 3 days in the vicinity of a constellation called the crux. On december 25th the three stars in oriens belt (tradtionally called the three kings) along with the brightest star in the eastern sky (sirius) line up to point to the rising sun which moves north one degree.

This action symbolizes the rebirth of the sun (which appeared to stop moving....freaking the people out) which was our salvation from winter (winter has ALWAYS been a symbol of death).

I can follow the rest of what you've said but I'm quite skeptical about the relationship you're suggesting about the 12/25 date since most Christians knew and know that wasn't Jesus' birth date.

God told adam and eve explicitly not to eat the fruit, and they knew better. They chose to deliberately disobey him, letting a serpent talk them into it.

Yes true, but why did god make it in the first place? Its only purpose was to not be eaten, and part of that purpose if eaten was to damn us all. Why? I don't think adam and eve really deliberately chose to disobey god. I mean before they ate they had no idea of good or evil, but for some reason that serpant did. Why else would it want to talk adam and eve into it? And also, why would god create the serpant in the first place. Didnt he know that the serpant would talk eve into it? God must have created the serpant with whatever characteristics that drove it to talk them into eating.

Moving this thread back on track: The idea of lust being a deadly sin and the notion of 'deadly sin' in general are solely a catholic thing.

Most christians subscribe to the traditional jewish view that lust inside marriage is a good thing -what is a marriage without lust?

Also a young man seeing a pretty girl and getting an erection is, in itself, not normally considered sinful, just natural.

Although there are a few groups who think all lust is sinful and thatsex within marriage is the only 'allowable sin'.

Moving this thread back on track: The idea of lust being a deadly sin and the notion of 'deadly sin' in general are solely a catholic thing.

Most christians subscribe to the traditional jewish view that lust instead marriage is a good thing -what is a marriage without lust?

Also a young man seeing a pretty girl and getting an erection is, in itself, not normally considered sinful, just natural.

Although there are a few groups who think all lust is sinful and thta sex within marriage is the only 'allowable sin'.

But they still consider sex itself a sin even if your married?

But they still consider sex itself a sin even if your married?

Some of the more extreme evangelical groups do. But most don't. The quote 'allowable sin' actually comes from a pamphlet that a relative of mine, a missionary, wrote.

And of course catholic teaching stresses the procreational side as primary.

Lust is when your natural human desire to procreate causes you to think about sexual acts without the permission of the Church.

It is a form of social control and a hell of a recruitment tool. I will explain. Nearly EVERY human on this planet desires sexual gratification.

So we have established something everyone wants.
Now we make it a sin. Make people feel guilty about it. Ashamed.
Now we offer a way to take that shame away. Marriage. Which is of course done through the Church.

If you did not follow this you were a heathen and risked excommunication and/or execution.

So many years ago if you wanted a piece of pussy and did not wished to be ridden with guilt or murdered or refused social services you said "I love God and Jesus" and tithed 10% your money to the church.

The walls of a prison are built with laws.
The walls of a brothel are built with religion.


i'd say FUCK GOD AND FUCK JESUS, and draw my swords and have my squad behind me pull up their bows...

Look up winter solstice. Look it the fuck up. Jesus is the last in a LOOOOOOONG line of almost identical stories.

I will not worship the sun. It is a hydrogen fusion furnace and I am grateful for it's life giving properties but until it shows itself to be a sentient creature I will not fucking worship it.

But what about the fire monsters?
And Exo555 What kind of sword, mines a flaming sword, Ihave 20 gold pieces, and a cheapo bow.;). I love D&D. But I only have the first MM.





Minions Attack!

The walls of a prison are built with laws.
The walls of a brothel are built with religion.

^ so true

i think lust is just 'ignorant desire'....

I know for a fact that there is no biblical stipulation prohibiting sodomy (anal and oral sex), so long as it isn't for homosexual acts. Did you know there is even "Christian porn"? Apparently it is a type of porno with strict rules enforced, as to avoid sin while having sex on camera.

In this sense:

"GOD" gave you your body-

Which has your hormones/testosterone-

Which causes you to naturally become aroused.




So basically, your "creator" has given you a body, and tells you what you specifically can NOT do, even though they happen naturally, without your own will.

smells like hypocritical phailure to me.

Lust isn't exclusive to sex.
Perhaps there's a connection between the warnings of lust and buddhas teachings about desire.