I'm not sure of the US, but in the UK we've got some religous hatred laws which are the opening we've been using to slip in things such as SORs - sexual orientation regulations - making it illegal to refuse a homosexual a position in the clergy because they're homosexual.

Anyway, currently both Islam and Christianity call their god: God. As god is a concept we cannot attack it directly, by most definitions it's plausible a godlike entity exists, but what if - using religous hatred laws - we forced the religions to revert to the actual name of their god - Yahweh and whatever Allah was originally. They're now vulnerable to attack because we're not disputing 'god' but 'so-and-so'.

If we can seperate the god concept from the figures worshipped in these two religions the impact on their numbers should be massive - you wouldn't have average joes being sucked in by 'god'. It would also emphasize just how many 'gods' there are just by forcing religions to use unique names.

arx_

I have always disliked how christians call their god; God. Also I hate it when they say their god is the only one, that I'm going to "hell" because I don't believe in their god, force their veiws with laws, and how my godsdamned computer always tries to force me into typing christian with a capitol letter.








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I have always disliked how christians call their god; God. Also I hate it when they say their god is the only one, that I'm going to "hell" because I don't believe in their god, force their veiws with laws, and how my godsdamned computer always tries to force me into typing christian with a capitol letter.

Sadly, you will go to hell if you don't accept Jesus Christ as your lord & savior.

Sadly, you will go to hell if you don't accept Jesus Christ as your lord & savior.

Even more sadly, you as a believer will go to hell as surely as any unbeliever, for your trolling turns people away from the greater glory that is worship of Him.

In short, see you in Hell, troll.

Even more sadly, you as a believer will go to hell as surely as any unbeliever, for your trolling turns people away from the greater glory that is worship of Him.

In short, see you in Hell, troll.

How is telling people the truth about the Bible trolling?

Regardless, yes I have committed many sins -- and I will certainly commit many more in the future -- we all sin; however, because of my faith Jesus Christ forgives my sins & I don't have to go to hell for them. :)

You can be forgiven as well. :)

How is telling people the truth about the Bible trolling?

It isn't the telling that gets you in trouble, it's how you go about telling that truth. If your method serves no other purpose than to piss people off and turn them away from Christ, you're guilty of that. Is there not something in the Bible about teachers being held to a higher standard? That's a role you are taking on yourself and you certainly aren't conforming to good Christian standards by quoting hellfire and brimstone at complete strangers.

Regardless, yes I have committed many sins -- and I will certainly commit many more in the future -- we all sin; however, because of my faith Jesus Christ forgives my sins & I don't have to go to hell for them. :)

Christ doesn't have an Auto-Forgive (tm) setting. You have to ask for that forgiveness, and since you don't believe you've done anything wrong, you won't be forgiven for damning people's souls to hell with your behaviour.

You can be forgiven as well. :)

Once he forgives me for being an imperfect human sinner, I'll forgive him for being a divine scumbag. Fair deal?

Sadly, you will go to hell if you don't accept Jesus Christ as your lord & savior.

And you'll go to Hades for not following Zeus or Hercules.

Heh. What's worse - A Christian or a Troll?

arx_

uhm the first major problem with your argument is that we don't actually know the name of God....if the idea of a human name for an undefinable entity isn't as nonsensical as subscribing 'him' a human gender in the first place...

Not sure if the religious hatred laws would be a good vehicle for change anyway.

How about The Trade Descriptions Act 1968 ?

And you'll go to Hades for not following Zeus or Hercules.

Finnally another of us that use's Zeus as there comebacks.
I feel warm and fuzzy inside.
By the way I'm hungry.





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uhm the first major problem with your argument is that we don't actually know the name of God

Sorry but, yes we do? Each religion has, or had, its own name for god somewhere along the line. I've done some Googling and apparently Muslims suck at imagination - Allah is just a mangled version of 'The Supreme Deity' so unfortunately this would only hurt Christianity.

I don't understand why you think the laws against inciting religious hatred aren't perfect for it - each religion calling its god 'god' - hell, that's the source of all religious conflict - my god is god, not yours.

So - Allow no religion to call their god 'God' in English. Muslims won't bomb anyone because they already do this, Christians will whine alot but they're biblically bound to twiddle their thumbs.

arx_

Sorry but, yes we do? Each religion has, or had, its own name for god somewhere along the line. I've done some Googling and apparently Muslims suck at imagination - Allah is just a mangled version of 'The Supreme Deity' so unfortunately this would only hurt Christianity.

I don't understand why you think the laws against inciting religious hatred aren't perfect for it - each religion calling its god 'god' - hell, that's the source of all religious conflict - my god is god, not yours.

So - Allow no religion to call their god 'God' in English. Muslims won't bomb anyone because they already do this, Christians will whine alot but they're biblically bound to twiddle their thumbs.

arx_

And what name did your googling suggest?

Jehovah? Not a name but a corruption of a corruption of a corruption of a possible title.

El? Just means God again and again isn't a name but a title.

Eyeh asher Eyeh? See Jehovah.

Hell we don't even know Jesus' real name.

Yahweh. (Read teh olde test. Here's something for your reading level jack: http://www.thebricktestament.com/genesis/garden_of_eden/gn02_04-06.html)

Oh and what are you smoking - why do we care if Jesus Christ is a trendy alias? That's completely unrelated.

arx_

So - Allow no religion to call their god 'God' in English. Muslims won't bomb anyone because they already do this, Christians will whine alot but they're biblically bound to twiddle their thumbs.

arx_


I think you're missing the point. Christians can start calling God Pokaroo and it wouldn't change a damn thing. Muslims and Christians aren't killing eachother over a word, its the whole belief, the whole religion and everything about it. Basically if they've got two conflicting details they're gonna fight about it.

I just don't understand your argument. There are so many different words that refer to God in english and every other language. What the hell does that matter? Its just a word to describe the ultimate ruler as seen by a certain religion. Do you honestly think people are arguing and going to war over the rights to the word God?

Not to mention the fact that no religion is ever going to let an outside source rule over what they can and cannot believe. And doing so worldwide would be impossible. Not to mention the fact that the majority of the world does not speak english so it wouldn't mean shit to them.

This is just stupid.

Yahweh. (Read teh olde test. Here's something for your reading level jack: http://www.thebricktestament.com/genesis/garden_of_eden/gn02_04-06.html)

Oh and what are you smoking - why do we care if Jesus Christ is a trendy alias? That's completely unrelated.

arx_

I tend to write it 'jahwe'..force of habit. And my reading level it starts 'beresit'. Although I'll openly admit I don't try reading it in the 'brew these days.

You might not be aware I actually studied for the priesthood.

Yahweh or Jahbo is just another version of 'eyeh asher eyeh', ie a title not a name.

Smoke? Gaulouises for fav.

I have always disliked how christians call their god; God. Also I hate it when they say their god is the only one, that I'm going to "hell" because I don't believe in their god, force their veiws with laws, and how my godsdamned computer always tries to force me into typing christian with a capitol letter.

The God of the Bible is the only God, and if you reject his son Jesus Christ you will go to hell!

Sorry but, yes we do? Each religion has, or had, its own name for god somewhere along the line. I've done some Googling and apparently Muslims suck at imagination - Allah is just a mangled version of 'The Supreme Deity' so unfortunately this would only hurt Christianity.

I don't understand why you think the laws against inciting religious hatred aren't perfect for it - each religion calling its god 'god' - hell, that's the source of all religious conflict - my god is god, not yours.

So - Allow no religion to call their god 'God' in English. Muslims won't bomb anyone because they already do this, Christians will whine alot but they're biblically bound to twiddle their thumbs.

arx_

Your idea is stupid. :p

^^The God in the Bible you supposedly "believe in" says that humans have no right to pass judgement or condemn another person to hell. God makes that choice. Humans always think they can somehow punish others just because they think they have "all the answers and truth".

Also, it says in the Bible that Christians are not supposed to push the views of the Bible. Yet organized Christianity does exactly that. I used to be an ignorant Christian but I eventually just stopped believing. I didn't give up, I just didn't believe. Even since I was a little child I thought it was crazy. Almost the same way as Santa and the Easter Bunny are.

The God of the Bible is the only God, and if you reject his son Jesus Christ you will go to hell!

If God is such a coercive ego-maniac, I'd rather go to hell.

Oppression is the holy law
In God I distrust
In time His monuments will fall
Like ashes to dust
Is war and greed the masters plan?
The bible's where it all began
Its propaganda sells despair
And spreads the virus everywhere

It says in the Bible that Christians are not supposed to push the views of the Bible. Yet organized Christianity does exactly that.

Could you tell me where it says that?

Sadly, you will go to hell if you don't accept Jesus Christ as your lord & savior.

Why don't you believe in Zeus or Thor? Why don't you believe in any other religion? Why is yours the correct one?

Could you tell me where it says that?

Well it doesn't say you can't talk about what your beliefs are. But it does say that a good Christian should be humble and not proud of his beliefs.

And a Proud Christian almost always turns arrogant, and ignorant towards others views rather than being humble in his own. If you push your religious beliefs, than that's not being humble. And there are many more pieces of the Bible which call for being humble.

Whoever slanders his neighbor secretly
I will destroy.
Whoever has a haughty look and an arrogant heart
I will not endure.

Proverbs 16:5
5 Everyone who is arrogant in heart is an abomination to the Lord;
be assured, he will not go unpunished.

Proverbs 16:18
18 Pride goes before destruction,
and a haughty spirit before a fall.

—Proverbs 16:5, 18, 25
Proverbs 18:12
12 Before destruction a man's heart is haughty,
but humility comes before honor.

—Isaiah 14:12-15
James 4:6
6 But he gives more grace. Therefore it says, “God opposes the proud, but gives grace to the humble.”

—James 4:6
1 Peter 5:5-7
5 Likewise, you who are younger, be subject to the elders. Clothe yourselves, all of you, with humility toward one another, for “God opposes the proud but gives grace to the humble.”

6 Humble yourselves, therefore, under the mighty hand of God so that at the proper time he may exalt you, 7 casting all your anxieties on him, because he cares for you.

Well it doesn't say you can't talk about what your beliefs are. But it does say that a good Christian should be humble and not proud of his beliefs.

And a Proud Christian almost always turns arrogant, and ignorant towards others views rather than being humble in his own. If you push your religious beliefs, than that's not being humble. And there are many more pieces of the Bible which call for being humble.

Whoever slanders his neighbor secretly
I will destroy.
Whoever has a haughty look and an arrogant heart
I will not endure.

Proverbs 16:5
5 Everyone who is arrogant in heart is an abomination to the Lord;
be assured, he will not go unpunished.

Proverbs 16:18
18 Pride goes before destruction,
and a haughty spirit before a fall.

—Proverbs 16:5, 18, 25
Proverbs 18:12
12 Before destruction a man's heart is haughty,
but humility comes before honor.

—Isaiah 14:12-15
James 4:6
6 But he gives more grace. Therefore it says, “God opposes the proud, but gives grace to the humble.”

—James 4:6
1 Peter 5:5-7
5 Likewise, you who are younger, be subject to the elders. Clothe yourselves, all of you, with humility toward one another, for “God opposes the proud but gives grace to the humble.”

6 Humble yourselves, therefore, under the mighty hand of God so that at the proper time he may exalt you, 7 casting all your anxieties on him, because he cares for you.

Its sad in a way, some of the stuff in the bible is really good stuff to live by, whether you hold any of those beliefs or not. It's just the whole general belief system that fucks it all up, not to mention the the christians who want world domination.

uhm the first major problem with your argument is that we don't actually know the name of God....if the idea of a human name for an undefinable entity isn't as nonsensical as subscribing 'him' a human gender in the first place...

Thank you. Allah means 'God', literally, and Yahweh something similar, except it's really insulting to say it.

Sadly, you will go to hell if you don't accept Jesus Christ as your lord & savior.

So you WILL go to Heaven.

People like you WILL go to Heaven.

Remind me again why I would want to be there?

So you WILL go to Heaven.

People like you WILL go to Heaven.

Remind me again why I would want to be there?

Remember, Heaven is a gated community....

Its sad in a way, some of the stuff in the bible is really good stuff to live by, whether you hold any of those beliefs or not. It's just the whole general belief system that fucks it all up, not to mention the the christians who want world domination.

You got it perfectly. Lots of religion creates good, its just that some religious beliefs don't go to well with how our society is now working. If only people could pick and choose the good teachings from the bad ones.

Oh and I don't believe in a god. I used to be an ignorant christian, but I was also always a curious person, so I questioned myself. I came to the realization that the entire idea of a religion was just naive. I mean what kind of 'loving" god would send millions of people to hell just because they didn't believe in him. What an egotistical prick. It just proves that the God in the Bible is about as sophisticated as the regular human being.

What spiritual being would be Jealous, Angry, and Vindictive over whether someone has faith in him or not?

You got it perfectly. Lots of religion creates good, its just that some religious beliefs don't go to well with how our society is now working. If only people could pick and choose the good teachings from the bad ones.

Oh and I don't believe in a god. I used to be an ignorant christian, but I was also always a curious person, so I questioned myself. I came to the realization that the entire idea of a religion was just naive. I mean what kind of 'loving" god would send millions of people to hell just because they didn't believe in him. What an egotistical prick. It just proves that the God in the Bible is about as sophisticated as the regular human being.

What spiritual being would be Jealous, Angry, and Vindictive over whether someone has faith in him or not?

If the god of the bible is the one true god, why are we not born with a knowledge of him? and why does god need to be so mysterious. If god would show his existance in more meaningful ways, he wouldnt have to send so many people to hell.

Christ doesn't have an Auto-Forgive (tm) setting.

Haha...priceless.

If the god of the bible is the one true god, why are we not born with a knowledge of him? and why does god need to be so mysterious. If god would show his existance in more meaningful ways, he wouldnt have to send so many people to hell.

We are born into sin, without knowledge of Him, because of the act of Original Sin (see Eve in the Garden of Eden in Genesis).

The age of signs/wonders/miracles is over, per scripture. The ability to commit a sign/wonder/or miracle after the Old Testament was reserved specifically for the Apostles. To be an Apostle, one must have seen Jesus (1 John 1:1-3), one must be a witness of his resurrection (Acts 1:15-26), and he must remain true to his calling (Revelation 2:2).

The transition from a world of signs/wonders/miracles to one without them is intrinsically linked with the transference of God's attention from the Jews to the Gentiles (non-Jews). After thousands of years of "proving Himself" to the Jews, they continued to be disobedient to His will. As a result, He has "turned His back on them", and we are in now in what is called the Age of the Gentiles.

According to scripture, Gentiles naturally seek wisdom, not physical "proof". This is what has come to be known as "faith".

- Importance of Tongues diminishes (1 Corinthians 14:1-end; after Acts 19 tongues is out)
- Healing begins to decrease - (After Acts 7 there's no healing in Jerusalem) (2 Corinthians 12:7-10)
- The ability to get out of jail fades - (Acts 5:19; 12:7 - can't get out after Acts 28)

Also, He "sends" no one to Hell (rather, you should argue that He does not PREVENT us from choosing to go to Hell, if you want to blame Him). He cannot stand to be in the presence of sin, and without the cleansing of Christ's blood for those sins, we are tainted by them. If we are tainted, we cannot be in the presence of God, which means we cannot coexist in Heaven. Therefore, the tainted go to Hell. The choices we make in this life determine that, not God. He gave us free will, after all.

Jesus says, "Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: If any man shall hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me." -- Revelation 3:20

He's just waiting for you to open the door.

You might not be aware I actually studied for the priesthood.

I don't know how that could be possible, considering how often you mention it. ;)

Also, it says in the Bible that Christians are not supposed to push the views of the Bible.

Oh ? Care to share where that scripture is, exactly ?

Also, He "sends" no one to Hell (rather, you should argue that He does not PREVENT us from choosing to go to Hell, if you want to blame Him). He cannot stand to be in the presence of sin, and without the cleansing of Christ's blood for those sins, we are tainted by them. If we are tainted, we cannot be in the presence of God, which means we cannot coexist in Heaven. Therefore, the tainted go to Hell. The choices we make in this life determine that, not God. He gave us free will, after all.

How can you possibly call that free will? The only "choice" you have is to stroke his ego with worship so that you can be "cleansed" of sin, or burn in hell as eternal punishment. That's no different than telling a small child that they will do as they are told and go to bed now, or get a spanking. The difference is nobody pretends that the parent is really giving the child a real choice. They're giving them an -ultimatum-.

There's no reason for such a ridiculous ultimatum either - this is supposed to be the lord of all creation. Okay, so he can't suffer the presence of sinners, an artificial burden HE imposed on his creations? Why is the only alternative eternal punishment and suffering in Hell? It's completely senseless, and makes a mockery of the kindness and benevolence that he's creditted with.

Sadly, you will go to hell if you don't accept Jesus Christ as your lord & savior.

If hell means 6 feet under ground, then i guess were all going to hell.