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OMr_duckO
2007-09-19, 02:27
Quite simply, religion is an attempt to speak of the unspeakable. It does not do a very good job.
All kinds of supernatural phenomena can only be explained properly in the extra-dimensional theory. That the 4th dimension is spatial, and only time in our limited of awareness of only 3 spatial dimensions. Just as the 3rd dimension would be time for entities aware of only 2 spatial dimensions. Dimension beyond our awareness cannot be conveyed in 3rd dimensional terms (in our case).
I highly reccomend everyone to read the book "extra-dimension universe: where the paranormal becomes normal" so I don't have to bother explaining the whole concept in this thread. It's not the ultimate guide to physics or metaphysics, but it makes sense of alot of unexplained things.
FreedomHippie
2007-09-19, 04:50
Quite simply, religion is an attempt to speak of the unspeakable. It does not do a very good job.
All kinds of supernatural phenomena can only be explained properly in the extra-dimensional theory. That the 4th dimension is spatial, and only time in our limited of awareness of only 3 spatial dimensions. Just as the 3rd dimension would be time for entities aware of only 2 spatial dimensions. Dimension beyond our awareness cannot be conveyed in 3rd dimensional terms (in our case).
I highly reccomend everyone to read the book "extra-dimension universe: where the paranormal becomes normal" so I don't have to bother explaining the whole concept in this thread. It's not the ultimate guide to physics or metaphysics, but it makes sense of alot of unexplained things.
Like you said though its only a theory and we can't really prove extra dimensions really exist, so thats the main thing people would argue. Another problem is we still don't fully understand time or if it really does exist. It depends on how your looking at time too. You can look at time as a dimension of space which events occur in sequence, allowing it to be measured. Another way you could look at time is it being a fundamental intellectual structure. Within this structure, humans sequence events, quantify the duration of events and the intervals between them, and compare the motions of objects. In this second view, time does not refer to any kind of entity that "flows", that objects "move through", or that is a "container" for events.
The way I look at it, the only understanding we really have of time is the movement of things. Take yourself out of the universe for a minute, and imagine an object just sitting there. Does it have any properties of time?
To try and stay on topic though, I agree. All religion really does is give you a way to accept the way things are. More radical religions tell you specifically what to believe. The problem is science can't prove anything metaphysical, and some would argue that anything metaphysical simple does not exist..
EDIT: Found this on wiki...
Time is currently one of the few fundamental quantities. These are quantities which cannot be defined via other quantities because there is nothing more fundamental that is presently known. Thus, similar to definitions of other fundamental quantities (like space and mass), time is defined by the units used to measure it and the method of its measurement. In essence, this definition defines time itself which otherwise is left undefined.
ArmsMerchant
2007-09-19, 19:24
I can't argue with OP, but I would put it more simply.
Abrahamic religions fail because they are based on fear and denial; God is love.
OMr_duckO
2007-09-19, 19:41
I can't argue with OP, but I would put it more simply.
Abrahamic religions fail because they are based on fear and denial; God is love.
That as well, but that argument is harder to prove or argue, as science denies such a thing as god.
But with extra-dimensional theory, atleast science considers it as truth.
As for the second poster. Just read the book. It explains what time really is, according to the theory. Basically it infers that time in our limited of awareness of 3 spatial dimensions, is movement in the 4th dimension.
Xerxes35
2007-09-19, 19:45
That as well, but that argument is harder to prove or argue, as science denies such a thing as god.
Wrong. You cannot disprove anything. But that doesn't mean because it cannot be dis-proven doesn't mean its right. Science does not deny a God, however evidence is severely lacking(I mean severely, the one thing religious people could do to help their cause is to get evidence and they cannot find any, presumably because none exists, but you cannot say that for certain). That being said I am an atheist to clear anything up.
OMr_duckO
2007-09-19, 19:49
Wrong. You cannot disprove anything. But that doesn't mean because it cannot be dis-proven doesn't mean its right. Science does not deny a God, however evidence is severely lacking(I mean severely, the one thing religious people could do to help their cause is to get evidence and they cannot find any, presumably because none exists, but you cannot say that for certain). That being said I am an atheist to clear anything up.
That's a hypocritical statement. If you can't disprove anything, then why do you deny god? If you think that denying is the same thing as disproving.
Xerxes35
2007-09-19, 19:51
That's a hypocritical statement. If you can't disprove anything, then why do you deny god? If you think that denying is the same thing as disproving.
LOL! May i suggest to you Richard Dawkins Book God Delusion? You might get smarter if you read it, but don't count on it.
FreedomHippie
2007-09-19, 19:57
That as well, but that argument is harder to prove or argue, as science denies such a thing as god.
Science doesn't deny god at all like others were saying. There just isn't anything that you can look at in a scientific nature and have that prove that god exists. There just isn't anything to observe, measure, test, etc.
Depending on what kind of atheist you are, if you just straight out know that god doesn't exist or that you just don't believe so because theres no evidence, if there were some way for science to prove that god exists what do you think would happen? Would atheists become theists? Would people still deny it? Would it even matter?
But with extra-dimensional theory, atleast science considers it as truth.
As for the second poster. Just read the book. It explains what time really is, according to the theory. Basically it infers that time in our limited of awareness of 3 spatial dimensions, is movement in the 4th dimension.
Does it really consider it as truth, or are they just theories? I understand what your saying about how time is just the movement in the 4th dimension, if you know what a tesseract is its the same basic principle.