I stand with SF4-EVER on this one. We will be watching this thread like falcons so I am asking everybody to please keep things courteous and the discourse flowing smoothly.

{smim}... please read your PM. Other people have responded to you and they did so with courtesy. I happen to agree with Seaside in the points she made.

I am Catholic and I found your comments very offensive. They were hurtful. I was originally not going to say more, but I really didn't like the tone this thread was taking.

There is nothing wrong with sharing differing points of view - that is called discourse. Rude comments and personal attacks speak to intolerance and after watching the Teen Christians segment, I think we have too much intolerance and strife in the world as it is. The buck has got to stop and here is as good a place as any.http://www.beatlelinks.net/forums/showthread.php?t=32561&page=1
Xtian Fucktards, even that spineless forum owner Jerry came down off of his throne to tell me that i crossed a line, and start my own forum. Greedy filthy hypocritical stupid materialistic Xtian punks - to a man.

Opinions are welcome.

I'm not going to bother clicking the link, but I've seen that reaction before and nearly every time it's totally unjustifiable.

To a Christian, "tolerance" only includes their belief system or other similar religious feeling at best. Any criticism is automatically perceived as an attack on their person (thus the "hurtful" comments). In this way, in addition to their sheer numbers, Christians (and other religious types) are able to maintain their stranglehold on our society and culture.

I bothered clicking the link. While the meat of your points were sound ones, surely you intended to make them hostile towards you by opening up your first line of the debate with:

Proof positive that most Xtians are mushy headed antisocial nincompoops.

That phrase could have been avoided in it's entirety, and your debate could have continued without offending them. You solicited their anger at you, then come to another (less uptight) forum to bellyache about it when they ban you. You had to already have a feel for how sensitive they were judging by the # of posts you've made there.

What did you expect?

I ask that you please refrain from addressing the Xtians of this forum as witless fucktards or nincompoops. It just makes for immature banter and childish mudslinging.

You write coherently and get your points off very effectively. The insults just take away from all that and make you appear to be yet another angsty, irritated rebellious moron. In case you haven't noticed, there's already an infestation of that over here. Please don't add to it!

Oh, well in that case yeah I can see them being a little short with you.

To be honest though I've seen the same reaction over considerably more polite postings that I doubt if a different message would have made an difference.

Oh, well in that case yeah I can see them being a little short with you.

To be honest though I've seen the same reaction over considerably more polite postings that I doubt if a different message would have made an difference.

Careful there......you almost had YOUR mind made up.

Careful there......you almost had YOUR mind made up.

Nice point.

anyone that thinks god owns anything is owning themselves :D and on a lighter note, fuck the structured of any theologians, 'cause guess what i can kill you and when you're dead i can ask this question, 'where's your God now??' and i'll just laugh and when they can't say anything because of the 9mm cap lodged between their eyeballs, i'll say 'haha there he is, he's your [third eye]'

That phrase could have been avoided in it's entirety, and your debate could have continued without offending them. You solicited their anger at you, then come to another (less uptight) forum to bellyache about it when they ban you. You had to already have a feel for how sensitive they were judging by the # of posts you've made there.

What did you expect?Hi AngryFemme, thank you for taking the time to respond to my questions. What did i expect? Something slightly resembling reality, of course! In fact that line was necessary, i was trying to bring together points in the discussion, that as usual were just magically left hanging in the breeze. And i certainly was fortunate enough to force their hand, showing them to be the complicit and arrogant fools that they pretend to be, in public, and strangely enough..even on public forums. My use of language was not insensitive in any reliable sense of the word, their scripted and arrogant-laced reactions, coupled with the hopelessly bleed-through and redundant moralizations proved that they don't even understand what they pretend to know. I felt that devaluing other religions should have been the stopping point in that discussion.. of course that never happens.
You write coherently and get your points off very effectively. The insults just take away from all that and make you appear to be yet another angsty, irritated rebellious moron. In case you haven't noticed, there's already an infestation of that over here. Please don't add to it!
i see what you mean.

Oh, well in that case yeah I can see them being a little short with you.

To be honest though I've seen the same reaction over considerably more polite postings that I doubt if a different message would have made an difference.Why is that? You won't see those selfish adolescent neer-do-wells fighting the good fight my friend. Take a good look at what transpired on that thread. Notice how it ended up where it started, basically meaningless drivel coupled with nonsense and crass interpretations, and a big waste of peoples viewpoints, in other words biased to a fault.

anyone that thinks god owns anything is owning themselves :D and on a lighter note, fuck the structured of any theologians, 'cause guess what i can kill you and when you're dead i can ask this question, 'where's your God now??' and i'll just laugh and when they can't say anything because of the 9mm cap lodged between their eyeballs, i'll say 'haha there he is, he's your [third eye]'Clever, that's all i want to say.

You were unneccessarily aggressive.
Evangelism is a waste of everybody's time, but so is rabid fundamentalist angry atheism. Be a chilled out atheist who doesn't care what other people say and you'll be able to deal with life and idiots easier.
To be honest I never usuallty feel the need to launch an attack on others beliefs even if an evangelical christian attacks my atheism. It's easier to just defend your own beliefs, and much less insulting. If they bring up something along the lines of; "Everything in the universe works so perfectly, therefore there must be a god." Then I may on occassion point out that the female quoll, a marsupial animal, has only six nipples, and yet typically gives birth to litters exceeding 12. being a marsupial this automatically means that half of their babies will die. Why would god create something so unneccessarily cruel.
Thats the one attack on the Abrahamic faiths I usually ever use now, although I was more passionate in the past.

i was defending my beliefs and believe me i was taking it easy on them. The cookie jar factor, the lifestyles, the impotent attitudes and contradictory beliefs. All the necessary ingredients were there, i had no other choice... but to be honest. No regrets but then i realize that anybody could be the one that is supremely unaware here, is totally irrelevant and misses the underlying motivation that would drive such a forbidden exchange, no doubt about it. I eventually saw that i was being careless, i can't really tell where i screwed this thread up... the usual.

Ya see... you're just like them... look at my previous thoughts on this matter. But what i considered to be "insensitive" unsubstantial and illogical reachings, were in fact just poorly..
..chosen buzzwords, and then closing a thread in the name of an unforsaken and irrevocably deformed Xtian god. What bullshite i say.

i was the only one being honorable in that thread, as far as i'm concerned, sure i shouted them down, hoping to leave their feelings out of it, always attacking the outward appearance of their organized religion, as you can see i really had no choice...but to stand my ground.

Sometimes normal conversations appear to lean that way. i don't think so.

Nice try.

Censorship can never be an unassailable proof of a spritual awakening.

My beliefs got the job done, theirs only exposed them to by self-righteous hypocrites, hypocritical in their own faulty attitudes, unable to make the simplest of decisions.

As anyone can plainly discern, they performed their self-righteous and pathetic little Xtian dance, and got punished for it. By me. It should never have gone that far, i never intended to be the default voice of reason, so i was stuck in an hopeless position. Still i carried on, for better or worse.

You know... the "us versus them" model of religious enlightment, hopelessly doomed to failure. It's no accident my friend. Trust me.

You missed the boat and i don't mean maybe... take a good look, the real issues are not my performance or the unrealistic outcome that was achieved... no the main issues here are motivations and ethical behavior. Look at the results.

My first statement on that thread was pretty positive and pointed no fingers at anyone, and seems to indicate something different.
Proof positive that most Xtians are mushy headed antisocial nincompoops.

that others supplied the usual redundant blather, pretended indignant reactions and hollow, suspicious, remote and see-through justifications is another matter, and should be treated seperately. Again motivation is at the core, not blindly obeying a non-existent or in any case greedy and confused, that is to say worthless system of beliefs.

Thanks for your input.

Take a good look at what transpired on that thread. Notice how it ended up where it started, basically meaningless drivel coupled with nonsense and crass interpretations, and a big waste of peoples viewpoints, in other words biased to a fault.

You were definitely outnumbered. I've also been guilty of wasting a great amount of keystrokes on those who I know are already closed-minded where my viewpoints are concerned.

Viva la internet! The arena that gives us a place to vent our frustrations in a way that we'd never dare display in most social situations simply because we're too goddamned polite to do so.

:D

You were definitely outnumbered. I've also been guilty of wasting a great amount of keystrokes on those who I know are already closed-minded where my viewpoints are concerned.

Viva la internet! The arena that gives us a place to vent our frustrations in a way that we'd never dare display in most social situations simply because we're too goddamned polite to do so.

:DThere you go. Maybe one of those dunce-o-matics will start to re-examine their chosen belief systems, and maybe come to realize that they aren't really on the supreme path to enlightenment that they like to pretend they are, but on a synthetic and empty-headed spiritual quest.