Today, people are jumping into outright, full-bore atheism. Atheism, which used to be a choice like anything else, is now being treated like a status symbol. as if by doing it you are hip, sophisticated, and intellectual.

Like your in the cool crowd if your non-religious.

And I see proof of this whenever I try to talk to anyone I know about anything.

They say "Christians are blind, they just do whatever the priests tells them and they don't even ask questions"

or

"I think its stupid to follow a crowd of people in a religion who are doing the same thing for no reason."

I think its ironic really, but now you can't even be Christian or Jewish or anything, just because it makes you not cool.

I know from experience one nephew of a professor, who decided to not be Catholic because he thinks it makes his uncle respect him more.

How is this not "Jumping on the bandwagon"?

I give a fuck...I am an athiest b/c it just makes more sense than any religion. All religions have that terrible problem of an alterior motive dont they? Science only wants the truth.

If you believe it is easy to live in a religious community or have religious family members and tell them you think their whole belief system is a pantload...you are mistaken.

I would cry for the plight of the xtians who feel the animosity from the intellectual elite, were it not for the MILLIONS and MILLIONS of men, women, children and infants xtians have killed in accordance with their belief system.

I hope everyone jumps on the athiest bandwagon. It is more intellectual and intelligent to be an athiest as opposed to someone who believes they should have boring sex on earth so your space daddy can party with your ghost forever when you die. It just is.

Plus this guy:

I the LORD your God am a jealous God, punishing children for the iniquity of parents, to the third and fourth generation of those who reject me...

is just a dick. :)

Your post reminded me of

http://youtube.com/watch?v=dYyHGRM3qqU

Funny vid and oversimplified but still 100% true.

atheism is mainly the new satanism. it's more of a religion (wich puts faith in scientific theories) and hates christianity. If you attack atheism, for the blind faith they put in certain things, or the way they acknowledge their ignorance of creation, they automatically say "Stoopid christian"!!!!

Christianity is just jumbled together nonsense, and I cant believe it's lasted as long as it has. It's jewish nationalism wich im completely against. However, like satanism, atheism, is the new parody of christianity. I do despise how cool all of them seem to think they are. If your an atheist/scientologist/buddahist thats just as cool as being a race mixer or queer, just like your favorite celebrities!!!!!

Hinduism (real hinduism, the original white version, without the cow/rat worship) is the only religion wich holds any stock. It basically is just about karma, no god or anything. But still, there is no way of truly knowing for now, without dying. If it was important for us to know something, I think an almighty god would actually let us know. Because what do we really have? abunch of thousand year old books written by man. I think i'll choose not to base my life on any of them, thanks.

I dont hate christians, and for the most part I dont care what they believe. I hate the preachers, with all their "love everyone, worship jews" filth. But I dont despise christians, or make it my business getting on the internet, and trying to discredit the bible every chance i get. The whole concept of good/evil, and everything else contradicts itself. I'd much rather christians convert to christian identity, just so they'd stop worshipping jews, but again, i really couldn't care less what they believe, because a part of christianity is passifism, so their opinions dont matter.

You are wrong.

Look up the word atheism and tell me why your wrong, else I will spank you.

Yeah, it's supposed to mean not believing in god, but as I said, it's turned into the modern satanism, just a hate for christianity. Plenty of people, who admit they dont know what death is like, or what created existance think atheism is just as stupid as most religions. Like me.

I don't think I've ever met someone who is athiest just because its the new thing to be. I have on the other hand, met people who take great pride in proclaiming their atheism in public, almost as if they just want to see people's reactions. But, even those people really aren't athiest because it makes them popular.

Many self-described atheists are skeptical of all supernatural beings and cite a lack of empirical evidence for the existence of deities.

I disagree with Elvis being alive, The loch ness monster as well as little green men in area 51 who shove things up hillbillies asses. The reason I do not believe in the aforementioned myths is the same reason I do not believe in religious mythology of ANY KIND (not just christian) is b/c they lack ANY empirical evidence whatsoever.

Did it ever occur to you that the reason you have so many athiests on HERE who dislike christianity is b/c most of the athiests on here LIVE IN CHRISTIAN countries, and suffer the wrath of sexually repressed dictators??? That now with the internet and so much information available people are finally learning every single day the BULLSHIT that is all religion?

I give a fuck...I am an athiest b/c it just makes more sense than any religion. All religions have that terrible problem of an alterior motive dont they? Science only wants the truth.

If you believe it is easy to live in a religious community or have religious family members and tell them you think their whole belief system is a pantload...you are mistaken.

I would cry for the plight of the xtians who feel the animosity from the intellectual elite, were it not for the MILLIONS and MILLIONS of men, women, children and infants xtians have killed in accordance with their belief system.

I hope everyone jumps on the athiest bandwagon. It is more intellectual and intelligent to be an athiest as opposed to someone who believes they should have boring sex on earth so your space daddy can party with your ghost forever when you die. It just is.

Plus this guy:

I the LORD your God am a jealous God, punishing children for the iniquity of parents, to the third and fourth generation of those who reject me...

is just a dick. :)

You think atheism doesn't have an ulterior motive? Your mistaken. The fact is, all the people on TOTSE are just pissed off. they're pissed off because of someone else with opposing views. They have no tangible ties to what they believe, because something is only original for two seconds before it isn't original anymore.

There is nothing wrong with being anything. And that includes being Christian.

Many self-described atheists are skeptical of all supernatural beings and cite a lack of empirical evidence for the existence of deities.

I disagree with Elvis being alive, The loch ness monster as well as little green men in area 51 who shove things up hillbillies asses. The reason I do not believe in the aforementioned myths is the same reason I do not believe in religious mythology of ANY KIND (not just christian) is b/c they lack ANY empirical evidence whatsoever.

Did it ever occur to you that the reason you have so many athiests on HERE who dislike christianity is b/c most of the athiests on here LIVE IN CHRISTIAN countries, and suffer the wrath of sexually repressed dictators??? That now with the internet and so much information available people are finally learning every single day the BULLSHIT that is all religion?



You know, I know a girl who's parents disowned her because she was baptized. They were some real bastards. So don't try to pull that "Christians are bullshit dictators" because you think you have an idea of how everyone should be.

Sounds familiar doesn't it

You know, I know a girl who's parents disowned her because she was baptized. They were some real bastards. So don't try to pull that "Christians are bullshit dictators" because you think you have an idea of how everyone should be.

Sounds familiar doesn't it

Wow. That is the FIRST fucking time I have ever heard of it going that way before. EVER. Not saying it is the first time I am just pointing out that your particular girl and her experience represent an EXTREMELY SMALL minority in America. Not even gonna look up the statistic I am so FUCKING sure of it. How does your nearly isolated incident discredit ANYTHING I said?

I make only one claim to how everyone should be......free. Free of religious dogma and persecution. Free to fuck my girlfriend and call her dirty names b/c it gets me off. Free to booze and gamble. I dont care WHAT a person chooses to believe in so long as it doesnt FUCK WITH MY LIFE without GOOD PROVABLE reasoning. What is wrong with that?

There is a backlash against religion these days simply because non-believers are tired of the bullshit. I mean, seriously, the religious posters in this forum say some of the most astoundingly idiotic things I've ever seen laid out on a computer screen. With crap like that, it's no wonder people are piping up more and more.

I have seen less and less religious posters on her these days. It is mostly in the realms of philosophy. I started a thread on the domination of atheists in this forum and nobody really said atheists didnt dominate for the first 3 pages of the thread.

Think the religions of the world are just running out of bullshit. Science is gonna KO this bitch soon.

I give a fuck...I am an athiest b/c it just makes more sense than any religion. All religions have that terrible problem of an alterior motive dont they? Science only wants the truth.

If you believe it is easy to live in a religious community or have religious family members and tell them you think their whole belief system is a pantload...you are mistaken.

I would cry for the plight of the xtians who feel the animosity from the intellectual elite, were it not for the MILLIONS and MILLIONS of men, women, children and infants xtians have killed in accordance with their belief system.

I hope everyone jumps on the athiest bandwagon. It is more intellectual and intelligent to be an athiest as opposed to someone who believes they should have boring sex on earth so your space daddy can party with your ghost forever when you die. It just is.

Plus this guy:

I the LORD your God am a jealous God, punishing children for the iniquity of parents, to the third and fourth generation of those who reject me...

is just a dick. :)

Read the Bhagavad Gita, I promise you will like it.

There is a backlash against religion these days simply because non-believers are tired of the bullshit. I mean, seriously, the religious posters in this forum say some of the most astoundingly idiotic things I've ever seen laid out on a computer screen. With crap like that, it's no wonder people are piping up more and more.

Have you read what the atheists are posting?

Seriously, it's some of the most misguided, stupid childish bullshit I've ever read. A lot of the views are the self-important pseudo-intellectual bullshit I used to entertain when I was 13, and bring nothing worthy of debate to the table.

Now, yes, there are some intelligent posters, but the majority, on both sides, are shit heads.

I've never really had much faith (raised in a secular housefold/family), but I don't like bringing up my atheism in a conversation unless I'm directly asked about it. It always just seemed a bit self-righteous to go up to people and act like "I'm atheist, your faith is shit!". I'll make a god joke now and then, but I abide by Geroge Carlin's rule:

"Keep thy religion to thyself."

Have you read what the atheists are posting?

Seriously, it's some of the most misguided, stupid childish bullshit I've ever read. A lot of the views are the self-important pseudo-intellectual bullshit I used to entertain when I was 13, and bring nothing worthy of debate to the table.

Now, yes, there are some intelligent posters, but the majority, on both sides, are shit heads.

You are right. Religion is such bullshit an average 13 year old can figure it out.

Most theists have yet to address many of my arguments on faith as a whole. Ultimately an atheists has science and history on his side and a theist ALWAYS quotes something from their particular cannon to prove that their religion is correct. It is total circular logic. Hence theists have nothing except BLIND faith to follow. Dogma. Sheeple. It is sad.

The good news is it is changing. More people in America are becoming rationalists and as Bill Mahr said "realizing jesus and santa are the same guy"

Bandwagon shit is going to happen in regards to everything. People consider themselves a part of a religion because their relatives are, look at fundamentalism. Same thing on the other side. On both sides of the god issue are people with good rational ideas, and then there are bandwagon jumpers, fundies, etcetera.

I do not believe the rise in atheism is due to simple trend following behavior.

I believe if you consider yourself a rational realistic person you WILL NOT worship a god.

That simple statement of fact is the reason for an increase in rational realism (atheists) in the world.

The reason why religion is poisonous to the world is as follows: the concept of faith. The word faith means belief without evidence. That is harmful to think that way. People tell their children about how faith is a good thing and they end up believing it their whole lives. This is a one reason why many people end up going to psychics, faith healers, astrology, believe in Atlantis and Mu and etc. You must be skeptical of everything. If you aren't then you are liable to be duped by people. The bible is disgusting if you read it. Read the book of Judges and you will see, if you don't want to read the whole thing.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4321574955310561251&q=the+god+delusion&total=616&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7619161192220036050

Richard Dawkins explains it better, and goes into far more depth than I have time for right now.

Hinduism (real hinduism, the original white version, without the cow/rat worship)



You mean the original white version that was started by all those white people over in India?:rolleyes:

If your an atheist/scientologist/buddahist

Those three religions aren't very similar in any way, so I have no idea whatsoever why you grouped them together, please explain.

Today, people are jumping into outright, full-bore atheism.
Oh, really? People aren't using their brains at all and just deciding to believe that belief in outrageous claims with no evidence doesn't make sense is cool, eh? Okie-dokie.



Atheism, which used to be a choice like anything else
It's not anymore? News to me.


is now being treated like a status symbol. as if by doing it you are hip, sophisticated, and intellectual.
Bullshit claim.



And I see proof of this whenever I try to talk to anyone I know about anything.

They say "Christians are blind, they just do whatever the priests tells them and they don't even ask questions"

or

"I think its stupid to follow a crowd of people in a religion who are doing the same thing for no reason."
That's your proof? How is that proof that people are atheist because they're "in the cool crowd if your non-religious"?

I think its ironic really, but now you can't even be Christian or Jewish or anything, just because it makes you not cool.
Where's the irony?

I know from experience one nephew of a professor, who decided to not be Catholic because he thinks it makes his uncle respect him more.

How is this not "Jumping on the bandwagon"?
Oh, well you know a nephew of a professor who feels pressure from an uncle. This is a new trend to you?

The vast majority of religious people are the religion of their families and/or communities. How is this not "Jumping on the bandwagon"?


atheism is mainly the new satanism.
Oh brother. The bullshit just keeps getting deeper!


it's more of a religion
You religious idiots just love to attempt to claim that rational, non-belief is on par with your irrational beliefs in God/gods and dogmatic principals which define what a 'religion' is. Sorry, atheism is not in any which way a religion.


(wich puts faith in scientific theories)
Another lame attempt at putting rational skeptics alongside idiotic angel/devil/god believers.

Scientific thoeries need no faith. Belief that scientific theories work are based on evidence. NO FAITH NEEDED!


If you attack atheism, for the blind faith they put in certain things
Are you really that stupid? Atheism has faith in nothing! Get a fucking clue.




You think atheism doesn't have an ulterior motive?
I can't take the idiocy any more.

It's not that atheism is becoming "popular". There have been people disagreeing with each other ever since the idea of a god was introduced. It's just that it's so much easier to be vocal about it now that Fundamentalist Christianity is on the rise. Atheists actually have a reason to voice their opinions.

The way I see it, there is absolutely no reason to believe in any of the supernatural things that happened in the Bible. To have people voting and making important decisions for the country based on what is essentially an overhyped fairytale is where many people have to draw the line and say: "Hey guys...WAKE THE FUCK UP."

Judging all atheists by the crap they've spewed on this forum is just about as ridiculous as judging all Christians by the crap spewed by them on this forum. Internet forums that are somewhat liberal in their content are naturally going to attract kidiots from BOTH ends of the spectrum.

That being a given, it's equally ridiculous to imagine that religious fervor was going to reign supreme throughout all of history. I believe the trend you're spotting is not animosity towards religion as much as it is total abandonment of it. We are living in one of the only times in history that it is even socially acceptable to be vocal about having an absence of faith.

Let them have their voice. They've been standing in line for the podium for centuries now. Let us go back through history and finger all the trends in religion having animosity towards non-believers, heretics and anything that held an opposing view to the popular religious doctrine of those eras. Wasn't full-blown atheism due to make a mark eventually?

I can assure you that any drastic measures the non-believers take to be heard and counted will not involve social persecution, burning at the stake, or death by stoning.

Like your in the cool crowd if your non-religious.


Luckily, most adults don't preoccupy themselves with "cool crowd" criteria. These youngsters that throw all their angst into proclaiming they're an atheist will also someday grow out of that "cool crowd" mentality and base their world views on more substantial things that actually matter to them.

As an adult, I can testify to you that where I come from, being atheist is the farthest thing from being "cool". I live in the Bible Belt in a town where the great majority of my peers are those with faith in God. Do I feel a bit alienated? You bet. Pissed about it? Not even.

I make only one claim to how everyone should be......free. Free of religious dogma and persecution. Free to fuck my girlfriend and call her dirty names b/c it gets me off. Free to booze and gamble. I dont care WHAT a person chooses to believe in so long as it doesnt FUCK WITH MY LIFE without GOOD PROVABLE reasoning. What is wrong with that?

If everyone should be free, then why can't someone be free to decide to believe there is a GOD? Rational thought doesn't mean you can't believe in something you can't rationally explain.

And, I support your gambling and dirty name calling to your girlfriend while having hot sex.

I Think the religions of the world are just running out of bullshit. Science is gonna KO this bitch soon.

Something funny is that Voltaire said the same thing centuries ago. He said, with science becoming so advanced, the Bible and all its followers will disappear within the next two hundred years.
Here we are.
What up?

Oh, really? People aren't using their brains at all and just deciding to believe that belief in outrageous claims with no evidence doesn't make sense is cool, eh? Okie-dokie.
It's not anymore? News to me.
Bullshit claim.
That's your proof? How is that proof that people are atheist because they're "in the cool crowd if your non-religious"?
Where's the irony?
Oh, well you know a nephew of a professor who feels pressure from an uncle. This is a new trend to you?
The vast majority of religious people are the religion of their families and/or communities. How is this not "Jumping on the bandwagon"?
Oh brother. The bullshit just keeps getting deeper
You religious idiots just love to attempt to claim that rational, non-belief is on par with your irrational beliefs in God/gods and dogmatic principals which define what a 'religion' is. Sorry, atheism is not in any which way a religion.
Another lame attempt at putting rational skeptics alongside idiotic angel/devil/god believe
Scientific thoeries need no faith. Belief that scientific theories work are based on evidence. NO FAITH NEEDED!
Are you really that stupid? Atheism has faith in nothing! Get a fucking clue.
I can't take the idiocy any more.
Your views and opinons are yours and you are free to say whatever you want. That being said:




Look at Mr. Hot stuff everybody! He can chop up your quotes and put more sarcasm in one page than an episode of that shitty Gilmore Girls Show!
The fact is that Many people are becoming atheist just for the same reason anyone does anything: Someone else is doing it.

And correct me if I am wrong, but didn't many of the atheists on TOTSE say that they had some religion shoved down their throat by some unlikable joe and that why they choose their beliefs? I will tell you, thats a respectable person. But not these 13 year olds that you say are "smart" by deciding something just because someone else mad e a decision.


I am what I am because I choose to be like that. No one else in my family is Church going, so there goes your "Christian band wagon" theory.

And I'm not sure but, I think the irony was the quote about a bunch of atheists think" its wrong to follow something just because a bunch of people are doing it". AND THEY ARE ATHEIST BECAUSE A BUNCH OF PEOPLE ARE DOING IT.

Lastly I want to give you a syn-ops of what atheism is, since your obviously a 13 year old who is uneducated and doesn't know what he or she is talking about.


ATHEISM: The belief that there was nothing and then nothing happened to nothing and then nothing magically exploded for no reason, creating everything and then a bunch of everything magically rearranged itself for no reason whatsoever into self replicating bits which then turned into dinosaurs.

ATHEISM: The belief that there was nothing and then nothing happened to nothing and then nothing magically exploded for no reason, creating everything and then a bunch of everything magically rearranged itself for no reason whatsoever into self replicating bits which then turned into dinosaurs.

The rest of your post is relevant and true, but this last part destroyed your image. Honestly, don't even bring science into this.

Atheism is pretty silly, sort of. you have to have faith that a "god" doesn't exist. It's pretty much like trying to disprove a philosophy, you can't.
I'll stick with good old uncaring agnosticism. I don't know and I don't really care.

Look at Mr. Hot stuff everybody! He can chop up your quotes and put more sarcasm in one page than an episode of that shitty Gilmore Girls Show!
You have a problem with me quoting others and then responding? Sarcasm my ass!


The fact is that Many people are becoming atheist just for the same reason anyone does anything: Someone else is doing it.
That has not been shown to be a fact and I don't believe it is for a second.

Let's assume you're correct- Why were all these people theists before becoming atheists? Was it because they sat down and thought about it or is it just because they were raised in some fantasy faith their parents told them was true, just like they blindly believed there is a Santa Claus and a Tooth Fairy? I don't see what your problem is with people giving up fantastic beliefs with zero evidence to back them is.

And correct me if I am wrong, but didn't many of the atheists on TOTSE say that they had some religion shoved down their throat by some unlikable joe and that why they choose their beliefs? I will tell you, thats a respectable person. But not these 13 year olds that you say are "smart" by deciding something just because someone else mad e a decision.
I never claimed anyone is smart and no one has proven that any atheists have become atheists "just because someone else made a decision".



I am what I am because I choose to be like that. No one else in my family is Church going, so there goes your "Christian band wagon" theory.
Is that how it works? In that case, I am what I am because I choose to be like that. No one else in my family is an atheist, so there goes your "atheist band wagon" theory.

And I'm not sure but, I think the irony was the quote about a bunch of atheists think" its wrong to follow something just because a bunch of people are doing it". AND THEY ARE ATHEIST BECAUSE A BUNCH OF PEOPLE ARE DOING IT.
Do you think more religious people are religious because they were raised with it or are there more atheists because they're jumping on a bandwagon? In my experience, atheists are so because they have thought about the absurdity of religious claims and have chosen rationality.

Lastly I want to give you a syn-ops of what atheism is, since your obviously a 13 year old who is uneducated and doesn't know what he or she is talking about.


ATHEISM: The belief that there was nothing and then nothing happened to nothing and then nothing magically exploded for no reason, creating everything and then a bunch of everything magically rearranged itself for no reason whatsoever into self replicating bits which then turned into dinosaurs.
Brilliant.

You have a problem with me quoting others and then responding? Sarcasm my ass!

That has not been shown to be a fact and I don't believe it is for a second.
Let's assume you're correct- Why were all these people theists before becoming atheists? Was it because they sat down and thought about it or is it just because they were raised in some fantasy faith their parents told them was true, just like they blindly believed there is a Santa Claus and a Tooth Fairy? I don't see what your problem is with people giving up fantastic beliefs with zero evidence to back them is
I never claimed anyone is smart and no one has proven that any atheists have become atheists "just because someone else made a decision".
Is that how it works? In that case, I am what I am because I choose to be like that. No one else in my family is an atheist, so there goes your "atheist band wagon" theory.
Do you think more religious people are religious because they were raised with it or are there more atheists because they're jumping on a bandwagon? In my experience, atheists are so because they have thought about the absurdity of religious claims and have chosen rationality.
Brilliant.


We are now 5 quotes away from a thread deletion.
Look, I got no problem with someone choosing to do something, until they do it for the wrong reasons. And thats all I am saying. And I also find nothing irrational with believing in GOD, so, kiss my Christian ass.

We are now 5 quotes away from a thread deletion.
Moron.


Look, I got no problem with someone choosing to do something, until they do it for the wrong reasons. And thats all I am saying.
No, you've said a lot more and I responded to it. All bullshit.


And I also find nothing irrational with believing in GOD
Fantastic beliefs based on zero evidence (and conflicting evidence) is irrational by definition. Get a clue.

Lastly I want to give you a syn-ops of what atheism is, since your obviously a 13 year old who is uneducated and doesn't know what he or she is talking about.


That was a pretty poor synopsis of atheism, Siash. The only criteria to being an atheist is to be without God. A world view absent of God. A lifestyle absent of God.

If God miraculously appeared before me, I couldn't very well continue to deny his existence. But I could still be a card-carrying atheist in the sense that I would still choose to live a life free of dogma, i.e. without God.

Look, I got no problem with someone choosing to do something, until they do it for the wrong reasons.

Why start assigning your own sense of right and wrong to the choices someone else makes regarding their lack of spirituality? Whether they choose to be an atheist due to years of contemplating their feelings about the God idea or whether they eeny-meeny-miny-mo it randomly ... the judgement you bear on their "reasoning" is meaningless to everyone except for yourself.

Well said.

Atheism is just a fad, a very stupid one to.

Just because all your friends think it's cool to spit in God's face and condemn themselves to hell by rejecting Jesus Christ doesn't mean you should to. :)

How is this not "Jumping on the bandwagon"?

Because I have realized for myself that the chances of their being a God or supernatural force is very slim.

"Atheism is just a fad, a very stupid one to."

it's been around for thousands of years, only difference is now shitheels like you can't burn atheists at the stake.

Moron.



No, you've said a lot more and I responded to it. All bullshit.
Fantastic beliefs based on zero evidence (and conflicting evidence) is irrational by definition. Get a clue.

Thats all you say "Bullshit" "Bullshit" "Bullshit" Don't you have any real facts other than that? your so weak.

Why start assigning your own sense of right and wrong to the choices someone else makes regarding their lack of spirituality?

I don't. I have many atheist friends, and then theres some I know that just piss me off because they have no authentic reason to be atheist other than and I am quoting one of them "It makes people think I'm cool"

And on the flip side, I know plenty of Christians that tick me off because they just stay Christian on the grounds that they were raised that way and have no opinion of their own.

but when you start to lose your self expression by copying something you see, that is not what I call good. I guess I am just an idiot like that. At this point its not about spirituality, its about individuality and the growing lack thereof.

i don't "chose to be without god" i KNOW there is no such thing as god,

i just live life and take pleasure and inspiration from the amazing world around me. which is obviously not produced by a "god"

If everyone should be free, then why can't someone be free to decide to believe there is a GOD? Rational thought doesn't mean you can't believe in something you can't rationally explain.

And, I support your gambling and dirty name calling to your girlfriend while having hot sex.

You can be free to decide that the invisible man in the sky wants to party with your ghost until the end of time. You are free to decide that and believe in that.

I will not call a believer an insane, delusional emotional wreck for believing, until a believer tells me I am going to burn in hell :)

Which according to their book they have to spread the word of god. It is a good christians job to save my soul.

This breeds animosity.

...but when you start to lose your self expression by copying something you see, that is not what I call good. I guess I am just an idiot like that. At this point its not about spirituality, its about individuality and the growing lack thereof.

When you start to lose your self expression by copying something you see........

That statement right there sums up the conversion process of most religions.

I am sure there are people out there who are athiest b/c they think it is cool. For the most part I believe our culture is becoming more comfortable with saying "Jesus and Santa are the same person."

There is less persecution from theists in this time period than throughout all of recorded history. Even with the current Islamic turmoil in the mid-east!

Read the above statement again. It is an important statement of fact.

You can be free to decide that the invisible man in the sky wants to party with your ghost until the end of time. You are free to decide that and believe in that.

I will not call a believer an insane, delusional emotional wreck for believing, until a believer tells me I am going to burn in hell :)

Which according to their book they have to spread the word of god. It is a good christians job to save my soul.

This breeds animosity.

You know, the Baptists hit that pretty hard. I was taking that shit since I was 8 "YOUR GONNA BURN IN THE FIERY BRIMSTONE BOY!!!" and I thought "Fuck this" so I left them. But, not to shove things down peoples throats, I try to be quick to listen and slow to speak, like it says from James. In doing this I take in as much information about anything I can while still retaining my Christian beliefs. Hell, thats why I come to TOTSE.

When you start to lose your self expression by copying something you see........

That statement right there sums up the conversion process of most religions.

I am sure there are people out there who are athiest b/c they think it is cool. For the most part I believe our culture is becoming more comfortable with saying "Jesus and Santa are the same person."

There is less persecution from theists in this time period than throughout all of recorded history. Even with the current Islamic turmoil in the mid-east!

Read the above statement again. It is an important statement of fact.



you are right in saying that that is most religions, but then again, that Is mostly every aspect of life. The trick is to retain your own opinions while doing whatever it is, AND at the same time, question what it is you have faith in. Or, at least this is how I do it. But every now and then I have to question it.

Atheism, which used to be a choice like anything else, is now being treated like a status symbol.

No. Atheism to most was reached as a conclusion to religious inquiry. Nothing more. I highly doubt these (sometimes passionate) people rant and rave about atheism to be cool. If they do rant and rave about it it's moreso because they're right and they wanna share their right-ness with others.

If they do rant and rave about it it's moreso because they're right and they wanna share their right-ness with others.

Careful - you don't want to confuse what you're trying to convey as "right-ness" with righteousness. An atheist doesn't believe that the values they hold concerning the lack of belief in God is anything that affects their morality or affords them special virtues.

They simply believe it's a more reasonable, logical viewpoint than having to invoke a Godly presence to explain the natural world.

Careful - you don't want to confuse what you're trying to convey as "right-ness" with righteousness.

You're right. I don't :p

Careful - you don't want to confuse what you're trying to convey as "right-ness" with righteousness. An atheist doesn't believe that the values they hold concerning the lack of belief in God is anything that affects their morality or affords them special virtues.

They simply believe it's a more reasonable, logical viewpoint than having to invoke a Godly presence to explain the natural world.
And I have no problem with this as a Christian. I don't try to make my claim that others are wrong, but likewise I expect that others not claim it to me.
but its human nature for us to be assholes to each other.

but it human nature for us to be assholes to each other.

So long as it's good-natured assholery, and no one gets hurt. I'm down with that.

So long as it's good-natured assholery, and no one gets hurt. I'm down with that.

Yes yes.

Did it ever occur to you that the reason you have so many athiests on HERE who dislike christianity is b/c most of the athiests on here LIVE IN CHRISTIAN countries, and suffer the wrath of sexually repressed dictators??? That now with the internet and so much information available people are finally learning every single day the BULLSHIT that is all religion?

lol @ you thinking our dictators are christian. do you think bush/clinton/kerry tries to follow, or has even read the bible? do you think most people in this "christian nation" have done that? I couldn't make myself read the bible, or even the quaran (wich is slightly more interesting), I read like a quarter of that, I read all of revelations in the bible, other than that, I pick a verse to read out of the bible when I need a laugh.

the establishment doesn't give a fuck wether you are christian or not, as long as you keep working your bs job, and giving them your money. your "morals" (again i dont get this you being an atheist) keep you from actually doing any harm to them. so thats the problem i have with you, you think your being all ant-establishment, when they support what your saying 100%. if you said you didn't believe in god, and were going to start robbing banks, and quit paying taxes, then you'd be a problem.

EDIT: actually, you'd be more of a danger to the establishment, if you actually followed christianity, because it's against homosexuality, and other degeneracy the establishment supports, but again, it still worships jews, so i guess it balances out. =/

"do you think bush/clinton/kerry tries to follow, or has even read the bible? do you think most people in this "christian nation" have done that?"

On one hand I wish they would, so they could see what trash the Bible contains. On the other hand, they're stupid enough that they're just as likely to go "oh hey, great ideas!" and start fucking us over even worse. Regardless, you're right that most people have no idea of most of the contents of their holy books.

"the establishment doesn't give a fuck wether you are christian or not, as long as you keep working your bs job, and giving them your money."

I don't disagree, but I we're giving the government too much credit by not assuming that lots of these fundyfuck politicians aren't being serious.

"your "morals" (again i dont get this you being an atheist) keep you from actually doing any harm to them."

Yes, atheists have morals. If you don't get that it's because you're an idiot, I'm sorry.

"so thats the problem i have with you, you think your being all ant-establishment, when they support what your saying 100%."

No. The only thing most politicians support are their own twisted ideologies and their wallets. Noting that politicians are psychotic, corrupt religious douchebags has nothing to do with being "anti-establishment" as you undoubtedly mean it.

"if you said you didn't believe in god, and were going to start robbing banks, and quit paying taxes, then you'd be a problem."

I think actually convincing a large portion of the voting public to actively march on Capitol Hill or something would probably make them take notice, more than a simple bank robbery.

"EDIT: actually, you'd be more of a danger to the establishment, if you actually followed christianity, because it's against homosexuality, and other degeneracy the establishment supports, but again, it still worships jews, so i guess it balances out. =/"

Except your Christian leaders at the very top (Hi, Mr. President) actively block homosexuals from having the same rights we have, precisely because they are Christians. You seem to have a problem with the Jews for some reason as well (Aww, did they kill your buddy Jebus?) so you're pretty obviously a douchebag anyway.

I think actually convincing a large portion of the voting public to actively march on Capitol Hill or something would probably make them take notice, more than a simple bank robbery.



Except your Christian leaders at the very top (Hi, Mr. President) actively block homosexuals from having the same rights we have, precisely because they are Christians. You seem to have a problem with the Jews for some reason as well (Aww, did they kill your buddy Jebus?) so you're pretty obviously a douchebag anyway.

what i mean is anything that effects the governments pockets is what they dont want, and everyone who was an atheist knocking over banks, or simply not working, or counterfeiting (any other crime that effects the economy) then they'd be po'd.

As for the last part, republicans always support hate crime bills, watch cspan, and if they dont, it's never because, the reason it should be, that a gay/race mixers life isn't worth more than someone elses, it's more because it has an effect on something else. republicans are just seen as the lesser of two evils to "christians" in this country, when really, they and liberals support the same things, wich are for the most part agains the bible. as for jews, they control the media, wich is far more harmful to society than christianity (since most people dont actually follow it anyway) yet most americans do sit their fat asses on their couch and watch their mind poison for a few hours per day.

It's like you almost form coherent ideas, then it goes straight to "THE JEWS" and you completely lose credibility.

lol, just look it up, I cant run through the names every time someone tries to say it isn't true. I am obsessed with jews because they are the bottom line in everything it seems. They created christianity out of their satanicish parasitic beliefs to manipulate people, and used that to destroy egypt and rome. hitler saw what they were doing even back then, and they pitted white americans against white germans, all in the name of killing this evil man who dared to actually do to them what they've been doing to everyone else, and now a jew is at the head of every television coorperation of the united states, and almost always at the head of the fbi and the cia. just like when somebody says "zog", people get stupid, and think it's some stupid conspiracy. do they know anything about our foreign policy? a zionist is someone who supports the state of israel (meaning stealing land from the palestinians, and commiting genocide against them, to give these "holy people" their own country), and we've been sending our taxes to israel since the 60's, all in the name of doing what hitler wanted to do for white people. so how can you call that anything other than a zionist occupied government? are you starting to see a pattern now? democrat or republican, they both support israel, they both support the jews brand of "diversity", and they both support everything else that is destroying our society.

and im telling you, it's no conspiracy, it's there for anyone who chooses to look. look up who owns viacom, time warner, disney, and anything else, they are all jews.

Yes, everyone knows that jewish people own a lot of shit. And your point is?? They are very well educated, just look at all the jews even from the past that made revolutionary ideas. Something like half of all ivy league students are jewish, what do you think...they're just all going to go work medium-level jobs??

Yes, everyone knows that jewish people own a lot of shit. And your point is?? They are very well educated, just look at all the jews even from the past that made revolutionary ideas. Something like half of all ivy league students are jewish, what do you think...they're just all going to go work medium-level jobs??

Jews are whites, just like irish or scottish. They are only considered their own race, because they make everyone else their enemy. They are no smarter than other whites, it's their religion basically that was able to give them so much power. It's not they are any better at it than I would be, it took them years. If you gave me the power they had, I could be fucking over society just as bad. (probably alot worse).

My point, is the fact he says the establishment is "sexually repressive", jerry springer, is the perfect example of the establishment, and the fact the host of the show is jewish, is another slap in the face letting people like me know they can be so blatant about what they want to do, and nobody say anything about it. How is abunch of degenerates screaming "i love lesbians" sexually opressive? trust me, more americans in this christian country watch jerry springer than attend church weekly. Oh, and how could I forget the "racist" actors he hires talking all of their nonsense, and people believing that people like me are actually like that :rolleyes: but more and more people are opening their eyes, and realizing how it really is. you cant fool all of the people all of the time.

My point, also being they want to destroy anyone who is not them, and that plan is working out nicely for them. Again, it's only wrong to people like me, it's not wrong to them. Then again, hitler cooking jew babies wasn't wrong to me, again, wrong is all in the eyes of the guy taking it in the ass. So for jews, there is nothing wrong with what they do, if I was jewish, I'd be cheering these idiots on too, but I'm not.

And I bet more "christian americans" know Steve Wilkos by name, but dont even know the name of their god, they just know him by "god" lmfao! and you think christianity is more of a problem than media?

if you say "jehova" your average christian would be like "i dont like nem damn jehava witnesses"

And I have no problem with sex. Normal sex between to people who are the same, it was the bible who told us that was evil. I dont support being degenerates, and telling little girls that boys will like them if they are dykes, I dont support homosexuality or anything like that. I think there needs to be more white kids (black people dont need to be told this) the government gives them public housing, and a welfare check to breed, while whites have hollywood whispering in their ear to be fags, or get sterilized, and adopt africans like their favorite slut actor with "a heart of gold" like angelina jolie, or madonna.

lol @ you thinking our dictators are christian. do you think bush/clinton/kerry tries to follow, or has even read the bible? do you think most people in this "christian nation" have done that? I couldn't make myself read the bible, or even the quaran (wich is slightly more interesting), I read like a quarter of that, I read all of revelations in the bible, other than that, I pick a verse to read out of the bible when I need a laugh.

the establishment doesn't give a fuck wether you are christian or not, as long as you keep working your bs job, and giving them your money. your "morals" (again i dont get this you being an atheist) keep you from actually doing any harm to them. so thats the problem i have with you, you think your being all ant-establishment, when they support what your saying 100%. if you said you didn't believe in god, and were going to start robbing banks, and quit paying taxes, then you'd be a problem.

EDIT: actually, you'd be more of a danger to the establishment, if you actually followed christianity, because it's against homosexuality, and other degeneracy the establishment supports, but again, it still worships jews, so i guess it balances out. =/

Mostly true, but I as a Christian, follow 2 rules:
Love people, and love GOD. thats it. Theres really nothing funny in the bible to me except where Jesus kills a fig tree for not bearing fruit.

Glad you agree. I dont care what people believe, but I think it's important to establish a religion that doesn't cause harm to society. Again, another thing, i happened to have the tv on nickelodeon a minute ago, and it was some show that looked like it was for todlers. There were like rhino's or something, and there were three of them. One said "Im Tyrone, the strong" then the other said, "Im Pablo the swift", then the other one said "and im austin. Well, just austin".

Do you not see where jews are going with that? If you actually look for it, it's everywhere. You say "well jews own the media, so what. it doesn't mean they're up to anything" but look at that. A show that three year olds would mostly be watching, and it's already on this "whites are nerds" bullshit. What 3 year old really knows anything about the bible? Not many. There are aspects of christianity that screw the world up, however, there are alot more in the media, and alot more people listen/watch that than a preacher. So not only is christianity much less destructive (atleast it doesn't promote being a degenerate, and for the most part just ignores race) but it's far less important to people nowdays than their tv. Christianity is an old tool the jews used, and they have more effective means of polluting your mind nowdays.

I would vote for Mitt Romney, just because having someone who is actually religios in the white house would atleast be a change in some direction, good or bad, I guess only time would tell, but we're pretty much rock bottom right now, so I dont see him making it worse. I still want Ron Paul to win though! :D

Psychometrics research has found that Ashkenazi Jews have the highest mean score of any ethnic group on standardized tests of general intelligence, with estimates ranging from 7 to 17 points above the mean IQ of the general white population at 100, which ranges from 107 for Germany to 90 for Turkey according to Richard Lynn's estimates for 2006


Source Sample sizes. Number of Ashkenazi Jews tested. Average IQ Ashkenazi Jews in USA and/or UK
Backman 1972 1236 107.8 verbal IQ
Backman in present study 150 107.5 crystallized IQ
Lynn Estimated 103.5 Ashkenazi Jews in Israel
Macdonald 1994 Suggested IQ 117
Storfer Suggested IQ 112


In the first half of the 20th century, despite pervasive and continuing social discrimination against Jews throughout the Western world, despite the retraction of legal rights, and despite the Holocaust, Jews won 14 percent of Nobel Prizes in literature, chemistry, physics, and medicine/physiology. In the second half of the 20th century, when Nobel Prizes began to be awarded to people from all over the world, that figure rose to 29 percent. So far, in the 21st century, it has been 32 percent. Jews constitute about two-tenths of one percent of the world’s population. You do the math.