People are always searching for a "true religion". You wont find the truth about god, or what god wants by searching in books written by man. I dont claim to know the truth about god, or my spirit (im confident that quantum physics will offer good explinations soon to that), but whoever god is, he gave you proof of what you should do. Obviously, if god created us, he knows how we work, so he knows, no normal person can base their lives on the words of other men. I always thought about this, "if there is a god, how am i supposed to know what to do" and sometimes, i came to the conclusion that either there was no god, or he didn't care.

This is wrong though. If you believe in god, or any power that created us (wich really seems obvious to me, what isn't obvious is the truth about the spirit, or lack there of), but if you believe in god, you have to agree, that he created the universe, and sat it in the direction he wanted it to go. The rules that we are supposed to follow, are natural law. You cant change it, or make it how you want to, like the churches have attempted to do, they aren't negotiable, and you cant pick and choose. Anything that goes against them in any way, (church, media, government) is going against god.

You are born with what you need. Instincts, (while church tells you this is for "less evolved beings"). Instincts that allow our kind to survive (wich is what natural law is all about). Any other feelings, the more you think about it are un-natural. For example, we've been brainwashed, into thinking homosexuality is normal in some way, or that people are born like that. No! How could we survive if this was at all natural? Even I have been desensitized to it. For example, when I was 10, I liked girls, but looking at pornography, disgusted me, because of seeing another man in a sexual way. Not that you should be disgusted by a naked man, but since we wear clothes, a naked man is sexual, so not being disgusted by it is un-natural, and only caused by being desensitized to perversion.

I shouldn't kill? again, complete nonsense, and an obvious attempt to manipulate people. Killing is completely natural, and the urge to kill is natural. Why do you think people join the army? Nobody supports this country, they just want to kill people without facing any punishment for it. Why do you think people hunt? because they like nature? if that were the case, just sit there, and deer isn't that good. A man should want to kill, but it should be directed in a healthy way, not just killing young girls or things like that.

Race mixing, same thing, any diverse animal, fish, birds, insects, when do you see them mixing? It doesn't happen. It's not natural to be attracted to other races. When I was young, blacks all looked the same to me, along with every other race, but through the bullshit american education system, i developed a false, artificial sympathy and feeling towards them. I had to train my mind, and remind myself how disgusting their hair is, and how I always wanted to wash my hands when i touched it. When i was 3, I touched this black kid, because I assumed he was slimey lol. even today, through 50 years of brainwashing, same race couples are still 93% of married people. before the 1900's, interracial couples were almost completely unheard of, other than rape. Also, just actually being around them, really being around them, I learned i was nothing like them, so that was healthy for me.

All of these things are modern inventions. It's crazy that people think Irans president is an idiot because he said homosexuality doesn't exist in his country. Yeah, because his government hates jews, and has their own media, obviously perverts aren't as popular as they are in america.

The law of nature, is what rules we should follow. The proof is right in nature. All this "love your brother" bullshit, is also a creation of jews. Self preservation is hardly something I would say is for the "less evolved" creatures of this earth, because if we hadn't worried about self preservation we wouldn't be here. I dont understand what is so hard to see about this.

You should read "The tao of physics" It's an exploration of the striking parallels between modern physics and eastern mysticism.

A lot of the things you mentioned are in harmony with eastern religions. To go with natural law is what many eastern religions preach. To go against it is why we never succeed.

So I agree with some of your idea's, but not all.

here are some things I believe that are true relevant to your post:

1. Their is no one true religion. Their is no one true path to God. All paths lead to the same destination. Our return to God is guaranteed.

2. God does not want anything from us. One of the greatest illusions of man is that God cares what we do.

3. If their was such a thing as sin. That would be to allow yourself to become what you are because of the experience of others.

4. Only you should decide what you want to do with your life. Life is not a process of discovery. It is a process of creation, and their is nothing you "have" to do.

5. You think that pictures of naked people having sex produces moral decay, and homosexuality is for some reason "wrong".
This is true. Or false. Whatever you say. pictures of naked people having sex are just pictures of naked people having sex. And men having sex with other men is just that. You decide what it means to you. Whether it's okay or not okay. I prefer not to judge or condemn anything. I do not make many value judgements saying something is "right" or "wrong". Their are no such things.
Thing's we use to believe were right we now view as wrong and vice versa. Our values are constantly changing.

I like to simply observe. Whatever works best is what i consider as "evolved" and whatever does not work best is what i consider as "primitive".

6. I do not think killing without the others permission is for your highest good. I view it as primitive behavior. Also remember, that killing has it's natural consequences, and it is not (in many cases) neccesary. but I do believe that euthanasia and suicide are "okay"

7. You must always do what is best for you in a relationship. Always. Self centered action is by no means an action which by definition disserves another. Quite to the contrary. depending upon our idea about ourselves and our decision about how we are seeking to manifest that idea in physical form, our self-centered action may indeed produce wonderful benefit for another. Not just in though, not just in word, but in deed.

If therefore, you have caught yourself in an unGodly act as a result of doing what is best for you, the confusion is not in having put yourself first, but rather in misunderstanding what is best for you.

The obvious truth:

Racists are fucking dumbasses who write long-winded, pointless posts.

I dont understand what is so hard to see about this.

I understand this:

You're presenting your view of what God is to somehow justify your hatred for those who are not exactly like you.

Your post was transparent as hell. Cytosine wasn't the only one to notice that.
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ducko, if what you mean by eastern religion, is like hinduism, yeah I agree. but hinduism wasn't always what it is today, and was actually what i was talking about when i said it was the only religion (old) that makes any sense. you are free to believe anything you want, but violence is just as natural as reproducing. survival of the fittest. what we did to the indians wasn't wrong. we wanted this land, so we took it. none of them had to die for it. just like the government, the government isn't good, but them killing those babies in Waco wasn't wrong, but Timothy mcveigh killing FBI agents was. This is the mentality everyone should have, and everyone does have it seems, other than whites. I have no loyalty to my country, if i see an american black, fighting a white russian, then im helping the russian. the whole 'patriot' crap is a tool jews use to get us to destroy each other. they convinced us to kill our own kind in Germany, to protect a race of parasites, who have dont nothing but destroy civilizations, all in the name of "patriotism". So what we did to indians wasn't wrong, but if anyone tried to do it to me, damn right it's wrong.

to the others, whatever, im a racist. you cant break the laws of nature. they will be obeyed, or you will die. if you jump off a building, because your god told you you could fly, you will die. if you mix with other races because your god told you to "love everyone" whatever your race, it will die.

the "church of the creator" is something i've read the books for. the only thing, is using the word "nigger" unless joking around, makes you look ignorant, and he is a miserable atheist. obviously something was always here, or again, magically appeard from nothing. but just because of that, it's not promised i do live forever. but im not an atheist. i would like to make an actual book like the church of the creator, (wich isn't a religion, but atheist who follow natural law), but promote the belief in something. but i dont know, what is conciousness? why was i even born in the first place, if i dont have a spirit? but i wouldn't say anything that hasn't been proven yet. we can live on in a way that i described, we know that for a fact.

For the people who choose not to obey the laws of nature, white people are better off without them. They are mentally ill, and have been corrupted by the media, and this takes generations to fix, so let them die. I'm only interested (naturally) in the survival of my kind.

And ducko, the only reason I agree with the old version of Hinduism, is because it didn't contain all of the trivial nonsense religions have today. All the gods and devils. The only thing we can be sure of, is whoever god is, he gave us our instincts, wich aren't evil. What is evil, is the tools the parasites use to take these instincts away. If someone has something I want, and he isn't my kind, and I can easily get away with taking it, that isn't wrong. It's only wrong when someone does it to me. (thats the instinct everyone has, but religion tells you to deny it)

I believe that true wisdom comes from within, by using your mind as a distillation for the ideas of the soul.

Care to disagree?

Actually it is better to breed with someone from an entirely different race than it is your own.

The whole concept behind reproduction is to find new genetic material to make a better human. NEW material.

Having sex with someone completely different looking than you is a good thing. Chances are you will produce a human who is genetically stronger.

I shouldn't kill? again, complete nonsense, and an obvious attempt to manipulate people. Killing is completely natural, and the urge to kill is natural. Why do you think people join the army? Nobody supports this country, they just want to kill people without facing any punishment for it. Why do you think people hunt? because they like nature? if that were the case, just sit there, and deer isn't that good. A man should want to kill, but it should be directed in a healthy way, not just killing young girls or things like that.


Naturalistic fallacy, even if I did accept your premise (which I don't.) Most people DON'T want to go into the army and some find hunting completely disgusting. There are things other than so called "instincts" such as empathy. Either way, Na fallacy as prev stated.



All of these things are modern inventions. It's crazy that people think Irans president is an idiot because he said homosexuality doesn't exist in his country. Yeah, because his government hates jews, and has their own media, obviously perverts aren't as popular as they are in america.


No, it's crazy b/c its completely untrue. They torture and kill off homosexuals you fucking moron.

What basis do you have for calling homosexuality perverted?? "Sexual perversion" is some act of 'sex' which comes about through an alternate sexual phenomonology. Acts of homosexuality have the exact same phenomonology as heterosexual acts. On the other hand, masturbation to porn or rape are perverted acts of sexuality.


The law of nature, is what rules we should follow. The proof is right in nature. All this "love your brother" bullshit, is also a creation of jews. Self preservation is hardly something I would say is for the "less evolved" creatures of this earth, because if we hadn't worried about self preservation we wouldn't be here. I dont understand what is so hard to see about this.

"The law of nature, is what rules we should follow. The proof is right there in nature."
Circular reasoning ftw!

Btw, whatever is good for evolution/passing of genes is not necessarily what is 'good'. Love your brother, works just as tit-for-tat, zero-sum games work. Everyone in a tribe looks out for one another and the tribe survives. Everyone works only for themselves and the tribe will not work, simply disintegrate or become a militant power struggle leaving no one alive. Systems that work best are actually groups following 'swarm intelligence' such as ant and bee civilizations.

People are always searching for a "true religion". You wont find the truth about god, or what god wants by searching in books written by man. I dont claim to know the truth about god, or my spirit (im confident that quantum physics will offer good explinations soon to that), but whoever god is, he gave you proof of what you should do. Obviously, if god created us, he knows how we work, so he knows, no normal person can base their lives on the words of other men. I always thought about this, "if there is a god, how am i supposed to know what to do" and sometimes, i came to the conclusion that either there was no god, or he didn't care.

This is wrong though. If you believe in god, or any power that created us (wich really seems obvious to me, what isn't obvious is the truth about the spirit, or lack there of), but if you believe in god, you have to agree, that he created the universe, and sat it in the direction he wanted it to go. The rules that we are supposed to follow, are natural law. You cant change it, or make it how you want to, like the churches have attempted to do, they aren't negotiable, and you cant pick and choose. Anything that goes against them in any way, (church, media, government) is going against god.


Speaking of any instance of INTENT of god is meaningless. It is literally talking out your ass. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignosticism



You are born with what you need. Instincts, (while church tells you this is for "less evolved beings"). Instincts that allow our kind to survive (wich is what natural law is all about). Any other feelings, the more you think about it are un-natural. For example, we've been brainwashed, into thinking homosexuality is normal in some way, or that people are born like that. No! How could we survive if this was at all natural? Even I have been desensitized to it. For example, when I was 10, I liked girls, but looking at pornography, disgusted me, because of seeing another man in a sexual way. Not that you should be disgusted by a naked man, but since we wear clothes, a naked man is sexual, so not being disgusted by it is un-natural, and only caused by being desensitized to perversion.
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A) People have different instincts. Some are violent, some are calm. You don't need to bring Nurture into the equation, just look at babies or young children, everyone is unique and has dispositions toward acting differently. Ergo, there is no overriding set of instincts that everyone follow, therefore no natural law for all to follow.

B) Homosexuality is seen all over nature, in different creatures. This, by many, would constitute it as unnatural. Moreso, it's been documented throughout human history. Lol, OH GOD HOW COULD WE POSSIBLY SURVIVE WITH HOMOSEXUALS. Gee, they're some 2-5% of the population. With the other 95% reproducing like rabid dogs, it's not hard to keep at 2.2 rate of replacement.

C) You have the whole naked man thing backwards. People wearing clothes is unnatural, you have been conditioned in your society which makes it a norm, but it is not natural. Seeing a naked man is abnormal, but a naked being is natural, not unnatural.

I shouldn't kill? again, complete nonsense, and an obvious attempt to manipulate people. Killing is completely natural, and the urge to kill is natural.

"Tell me, Will. Did you enjoy it? Your first murder? Of course you did. And why shouldn't it feel good? It does to God. Why only last week in Texas, he dropped a church roof on the heads of 34 of his worshipers, just as they were groveling for him. He wouldn't begrudge you for one Journalist. "-Hannibal Lecter, Red Dragon

A) People have different instincts. Some are violent, some are calm. You don't need to bring Nurture into the equation, just look at babies or young children, everyone is unique and has dispositions toward acting differently. Ergo, there is no overriding set of instincts that everyone follow, therefore no natural law for all to follow.



There is but one law - and each and every one of us must decide what that one law is.

For you, that law would be that there is no law.

For me, that law is that of the word of justice, not fairness - one cannot have law without justice, and if there is no law, then we are reduced to petty revenge killings.

In which case, the only law is that of death.

But again, i'll reiterate - every single one of us follows but one law.

There is but one law - and each and every one of us must decide what that one law is.

For you, that law would be that there is no law.

For me, that law is that of the word of justice, not fairness - one cannot have law without justice, and if there is no law, then we are reduced to petty revenge killings.

In which case, the only law is that of death.

But again, i'll reiterate - every single one of us follows but one law.

Lol, is this 'each of us follows atleast one law' or 'each of us follows one and only one law'? It seems ridiculous that one proposition could tell you how to act all the time. The best I can think of is the principle of utility, but even that leads up to some fucked up prescriptive acts.

My point was that there was no one absolute law inherent in our nature that guides every person. Since there is none, it is meaningless to speak of some 'God' handing us down a manual on how to live the good life that can be found in 'nature'. If anything is natural, it is likened to that philosophy in Ishmael, we should live within nature in primitive societies. Yet, I doubt any of you would give up modern comforts for such a life and consider it a good life.

I shouldn't kill? again, complete nonsense, and an obvious attempt to manipulate people. Killing is completely natural, and the urge to kill is natural. Why do you think people join the army? Nobody supports this country, they just want to kill people without facing any punishment for it. Why do you think people hunt? because they like nature? if that were the case, just sit there, and deer isn't that good. A man should want to kill, but it should be directed in a healthy way, not just killing young girls or things like that.
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Your assessment is wrong.

If killing is so natural then why does the army go through GREAT lengths and psychological evaluation with recruits to train the to kill. Not just with the weapon but to overcome the hesitation to murder that is deeply ingrained in nearly every humans brain.

We are hard wired not to kill each other.

I hunt to eat deer steaks for a year. I feel sympathy for the animal when I murder it. People join the army for a jump start on life. For the money and incentives.

Exactly. You want to argue homosexuality can't POSSIBLY be natural b/c HEY LOOK WE'RE STILL AROUND! (which is obviously bs, bc it would just be the same as if ~5% of the population simply chose to never reproduce, such as monks). Yet, you believe it is inherent for people to want to kill one another? Lmao, now THAT would be a negative evolutionary trait. It is one thing to have a defensive instinct/self-preservation trait, ie a tribe is attacking my village, so I fend them off by killing the intruders. It is another to say we are simply bloodthirsty, ughh! ughh! must kill!!

As much as I would like to factually point out all the fallacies and discrepencies within your posts OP I think I'm just going to stay quiet and wait till someone meaner comes along. CarbonB can you give me a hand here?

ACE_187, what right do you think you have to kill an animal for no reason?

ducko, if what you mean by eastern religion, is like hinduism, yeah I agree. but hinduism wasn't always what it is today,

I can safely assume you know little or nothing about Hinduism.

You are born with what you need. Instincts, (while church tells you this is for "less evolved beings"). Instincts that allow our kind to survive (wich is what natural law is all about). Any other feelings, the more you think about it are un-natural. For example, we've been brainwashed, into thinking homosexuality is normal in some way, or that people are born like that. No! How could we survive if this was at all natural? Even I have been desensitized to it. For example, when I was 10, I liked girls, but looking at pornography, disgusted me, because of seeing another man in a sexual way. Not that you should be disgusted by a naked man, but since we wear clothes, a naked man is sexual, so not being disgusted by it is un-natural, and only caused by being desensitized to perversion.[/b]

I fail to see your point, many things about humans are not needed for streamline survival of a basic scale. Take for example the vermiform appendix, it is generally regarded as useless, it can be taken out of the body without any real side effects, yet we are still born with it. Homosexuality has been noted in the wild amongst animals of many different kinds also.

Race mixing, same thing, any diverse animal, fish, birds, insects, when do you see them mixing? It doesn't happen. It's not natural to be attracted to other races. When I was young, blacks all looked the same to me, along with every other race, but through the bullshit american education system, i developed a false, artificial sympathy and feeling towards them. I had to train my mind, and remind myself how disgusting their hair is, and how I always wanted to wash my hands when i touched it. When i was 3, I touched this black kid, because I assumed he was slimey lol. even today, through 50 years of brainwashing, same race couples are still 93% of married people. before the 1900's, interracial couples were almost completely unheard of, other than rape. Also, just actually being around them, really being around them, I learned i was nothing like them, so that was healthy for me.

Again, this makes no sense to me. Dogs of different breeds mate, because they are all dogs. We are all man, we all shit, we all eat, and we function the same.

I think all of your things can be said in reverse. Dislike for homosexuality and interracial couples can just be a modern creation like you said. A conditioning of sorts. In either case, I really don't think God is going to smite you because your ok with people who are different than you, as he created all man. And so it shall be a never ending argument till the crack of doom.

Just because the general population forms a general opinion doesn't mean it is right. Many things were devolved and believed until the middle ages, such as atomic theory, that the earth was round, and homosexuality was ok. But I think that when things went down hill for the people, they started to question their actions
and figured since their crops are failing, their children are dieing, they must be wrong about these things and are being punished.

there is seriously no real truth to this. no matter what, everyone will live and create their own perceptions and views.. Everything around us influences these views, as we and only WE control our lives. Religion is what EVER YOU WANT it to be. Maybe there is something out there, maybe there isnt.. its up to you whether you believe it.

Nothing in life is certain apart from death, and after death,, who fucking knows.. i havnt seen anyone come back from 'death' and tell me what the fuck happened. I havent seen Jesus or God, and im pretty sure not many people really have.

I personally am a catholic, i believe that there is a God. I believe this as i found that if i dont believe in God and live with him in my life, basically when i die and i find he is there, ill be fuckin pissed, and might miss out on a hell of alot.. where as if i believe in him, i dont really have much to lose, and if he's real, then YEEHAA, maybe ill get re-incarnated.. hmm.. ;)