I watched a video today in class.
in it there was a discussion on the pyramids.
one speaker said that the pyramids were built at the beggining of mankinds history, and the ability to build them were far to advanced for a civilization at a time like that.
he talked about how they're might be a point in mankinds history a "dark point" that no knowledge is known about today but some ideas from that "era' were passed on.

I thought about this, and I also thought about the idea of noah's flood, the same story told be the greeks, and several other ancient civilisations.
I wondered could this flood be a representative of some ancient disaster that wiped out a full civilization, might not have been a flood.

dunno, its an idea...

Floods happen. Global floods don't. It's a fairytale

There are some who believe that the story of Noah was based off of Utnapishtim from the epic of Gilgamesh and that Utnapishtim actually existed and survived a flood.

There are some who believe that the story of Noah was based off of Utnapishtim from the epic of Gilgamesh and that Utnapishtim actually existed and survived a flood.

You intrigue me sir would you care to tell more for your post has got wondering pray do tell me more..

Just about everything in the bible, including the story about noah's ark, is based on even older stories and myths long before christanity was even a thought. Christianity took bits and pieces from other religions and put them together to form its own religion.

Read up on the ancient greek and roman gods, and the stories about them. You will find alot of the basic themes are in the bible.

Too "Dee Dee Dee"/Didn't read.

English. Do you speak it? I thought you might use capitalisation and punctuation in your actual post, but I guess that's expecting a little much.

1)noah ark lost civilisations and time before time

2)Noah['s] Ark, lost civilisations, and time before time.


Would you read an article written in style #1 or #2? Do you realise how difficult and annoying it is to read a post with horrible mechanics? Go ahead, call me a grammar nazi. That's how you justify your inexcusable laziness. Seriously, I doubt your descendants will even grasp Newspeak. And yes, a defunct, bastardised vernacular is going to gradually replace the already polluted English language because people like you don't care about preserving it.

Too "Dee Dee Dee"/Didn't read.

English. Do you speak it? I thought you might use capitalisation and punctuation in your actual post, but I guess that's expecting a little much.

1)noah ark lost civilisations and time before time

2)Noah['s] Ark, lost civilisations, and time before time.


Would you read an article written in style #1 or #2? Do you realise how difficult and annoying it is to read a post with horrible mechanics? Go ahead, call me a grammar nazi. That's how you justify your inexcusable laziness. Seriously, I doubt your descendants will even grasp Newspeak. And yes, a defunct, bastardised vernacular is going to gradually replace the already polluted English language because people like you don't care about preserving it.

Well, you are a grammar nazi :D...

I understand when something bothers you you just can't help it, but I think people forget that this is a message board, not a proper grammar class. We're not trying to type out term papers here, just having conversation, and frankly I think most of us are more worried about the topic of discussion. If people are too lazy to use the written language right than too bad for them, I just can't understand posting to specifically point it out.

So...back onto the topic...

Just about everything in the bible, including the story about noah's ark, is based on even older stories and myths long before christanity was even a thought. Christianity took bits and pieces from other religions and put them together to form its own religion.

Read up on the ancient greek and roman gods, and the stories about them. You will find alot of the basic themes are in the bible.

The Hebrews, who would become the original Jews, borrowed heavily from Egyptian, Sumero-Akkadian, Levantine and Babylonian (Chaldean) mythology. YHWH wasn't even a thought in any Hebrew's mind until Moses formed a covenant with him after fleeing Egyptian justice on a murder charge. Jews weren't monotheistic until long after Solomon. Now, this already eclectic religion is irrevocably changed by a high-ranking Jewish mystic. After Jesus' death, it was merged with beliefs from Persia, Europe and Asia Minor by Constantine to create a state religion.

On a side note, the Jews have a disgusting and deplorable history. It's riddled with incest, murder, rape, piracy, blasphemy and genocide. So, I guess that makes Jews just as shitty and guilty as the rest of humanity - yes, that includes Germans. Stop bitching about the holocaust. A Nazi's grandson owes a Jew nothing. Does a Jew owe Palestinians compensation for slaughtering their ancestors at Jericho? Zionist swines... the most insidious plight the world has ever suffered.

Latest I've seen is a program linking the epic of Gilgamesh(a much older tale preserved on clay tablets, parts of which are reproduced in the bible word for word), and the story of Noah's flood, with the flooding of the area now known as the Black Sea. Apparently the archeologists believe there was once a land bridge between Greece and Turkey and the area now covered by the Black Sea was a fertile valley - below sea level - as is the Dead Sea. However in this case it was a fertile and abundant place supporting a large population and civilisation.

There came a deluge ... being a basin below sea level all the rain plus water flooding into the basin led to the biblical references to the heavens, earth and the deep opening up - because of the rising flood waters and the continuing deluge. Then, because it had been weakened by the deluge or whatever, the land bridge collapsed. The basin was now inundated by the Mediterranean Sea and the people and the civilisation disappeared under the waters of the now Black Sea. The survivors landed on the place known to them as Mt Ararat - a name given by them to the whole region we call Turkey.

Latest I've seen is a program linking the epic of Gilgamesh(a much older tale preserved on clay tablets, parts of which are reproduced in the bible word for word), and the story of Noah's flood, with the flooding of the area now known as the Black Sea. Apparently the archeologists believe there was once a land bridge between Greece and Turkey and the area now covered by the Black Sea was a fertile valley - below sea level - as is the Dead Sea. However in this case it was a fertile and abundant place supporting a large population and civilisation.

There came a deluge ... being a basin below sea level all the rain plus water flooding into the basin led to the biblical references to the heavens, earth and the deep opening up - because of the rising flood waters and the continuing deluge. Then, because it had been weakened by the deluge or whatever, the land bridge collapsed. The basin was now inundated by the Mediterranean Sea and the people and the civilisation disappeared under the waters of the now Black Sea. The survivors landed on the place known to them as Mt Ararat - a name given by them to the whole region we call Turkey.

This makes sense, its very possibly that there was a certain flood, infact I believe thats what its all based on.

I was thinking about this before. Is there even enough water on our planet to completly flood? Even if there is how is it possible that the world flooded and than receded back into polar caps?

I love how all ancient myths have similar roots. Either this is a purely psychological phenomena or perhaps instinctual remembrance of times long past. I tend towards the former, human psychological development has been so strongly based on the world around it and the perceptions there of.
Where one might say that every culture has a "vampire" myth, this is proof that at one point vampires existed. It is far more likely that people have evolved in such a way that dealing with cannibalism and true homicide would be to deny it could be perpetrated by humans so they develop a mythology to keep humans relatively blameless. It would be too hard a fact to bare back before the days of policing and security that a killer, possibly a close friend, could be running around in your neighborhood.

The flood stories are all from cultures that have fed off of each other and the likelihood is that at some point the world (mesopotamia) got flooded and the peoples in that small area of land assumed the whole world had gone under. The sumerians passed it to the babylonians and assyrians, and to the israelites, possibly the greeks and romans. And since the story was set so anciently the modern civilization just took the story at face value.

and if anyone believes christianity and judaism didn't steal ideas from pre existing cultures I've got a million and one examples just waiting for you.

This theme is also in NewZealands Maori history.

Maui sailed from Hawaiiki and caught a large fish & brought it to the seas surface.

The fish later become the north island of NZ.
The canoe became the south island.
The anchor became Stewart island.

Hawaiiki probably was Hawaii,
I think Maui might have something to do with Hawaii too.

The bit being, everything was once covered in water.

Google the rest....

Theres also a lot about the creation of the earth.
It seems to confirm the '6 Days then God rested for the seventh' theme.

It says that the sun moved over the earth too fast, so a person caught the sun in a fishing net.
The sun made a deal that it would travel slower if it was released, & it did.
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Once someone replyed to the question
"How did God make the world in 7 days & why is it so old & why are there dinosaurs?

With the answer, "If the sun travelled across the sky at a faster speed, the the term 'Day' is relative to everthing being on 'fast forward' and God made the earth 'Old' "

This includes the dinosaurs!
after all, that we needed the oil to come from somewhere & it fits in with deserted land (desert) becoming a source of riches $$$.

Floods happen. Global floods don't. It's a fairytale

Actually there is evidence that Noah's flood did happen. It wasn't a global flood but it was quite large. Noah's flood is not limited to the judeo-christian-mulsim books. All the civilizations is the area have stories of a massive flood.

Actually there is evidence that Noah's flood did happen. It wasn't a global flood but it was quite large. Noah's flood is not limited to the judeo-christian-mulsim books. All the civilizations is the area have stories of a massive flood.

I think thats what he was saying, although I'm sure every different story of it has it's noah or something, you cant call it Noah's flood really. It was just a flood that happened and a bunch of stories are based on it, whether it is a specific flood or not.

Religion tends to do this, take an event and twist it around so it is of their god, of their beliefs.

Floods happen. Global floods don't. It's a fairytale

Do not be so quick to dismiss. While I know judaism and its two children Islam and Christianity are a rip off of much older ideals, a global flood is found in the ancient histories of people all over the world and near the same time.

Mega-tsunami or a series of tsunami's due to massive earthquakes or eruptions can cause the seas and oceans to swallow huge portions continents. Most on the shorelines would die instantly while those inland would suffer the deluge, they would live to tell the tale.


Once someone replyed to the question
"How did God make the world in 7 days & why is it so old & why are there dinosaurs?

With the answer, "If the sun travelled across the sky at a faster speed, the the term 'Day' is relative to everthing being on 'fast forward' and God made the earth 'Old' "

This includes the dinosaurs!
after all, that we needed the oil to come from somewhere & it fits in with deserted land (desert) becoming a source of riches $$$.

The earth is moving as fast as it can around the sun. The sun would have to get more massive for the Earth to move faster. So for a the Earth to have moving super fast and then slow down to current speed means the sun had to lose mass.

In short the science and physics of your idea are in short supply much as A N Y old Earth theory is. Old Earth and Creationism ARE dying same as the hold outs I imagine who believed the Earth was the center of everything even in the face of SOLID AND DIRECTLY OPPOSITE FACTS.

The earth is moving as fast as it can around the sun. The sun would have to get more massive for the Earth to move faster. So for a the Earth to have moving super fast and then slow down to current speed means the sun had to lose mass.

Well the sun is constantly burning up its fuel, so wouldn't it be correct that it is losing mass?

Well the sun is constantly burning up its fuel, so wouldn't it be correct that it is losing mass?

Nope. Not enough to appreciably affect the Earth. Every star generates a stellar wind of particles that causes a continual outflow of gas into space. For most stars, the amount of mass lost is negligible. The Sun loses 10−14 solar masses every year,[32] or about 0.01% of its total mass over its entire lifespan

Nope. Not enough to appreciably affect the Earth. Every star generates a stellar wind of particles that causes a continual outflow of gas into space. For most stars, the amount of mass lost is negligible. The Sun loses 10−14 solar masses every year,[32] or about 0.01% of its total mass over its entire lifespan

I stand corrected, but I pose another possability...

Things are constantly moving away from each other. Our moon moves away from our planet by an inch (I think, not positive on the exact number) every year. If we traced it back far enough we would see that are planet was closer to the sun, making it move around the sun faster.

Due to conservation of angular momentum, the Earth's rotation is gradually slowing, and the Earth's day thus lengthens by about 17 microseconds every year (this would make each Earth day one second longer every 60,000 years or so, by one minute longer every four million years, and by four hours longer in 1 billion years' time. Looking back, the day was a mere 23h in length when the Dinosaurs roamed the Earth 65 million years ago).

Still not really an appreciable value.

Due to conservation of angular momentum, the Earth's rotation is gradually slowing, and the Earth's day thus lengthens by about 17 microseconds every year (this would make each Earth day one second longer every 60,000 years or so, by one minute longer every four million years, and by four hours longer in 1 billion years' time. Looking back, the day was a mere 23h in length when the Dinosaurs roamed the Earth 65 million years ago).

Still not really an appreciable value.

Your talking rotation on its axis, I'm talking rotation around the sun.

I have not found much information regarding a appreciably closer orbit to the sun. This just appears to be some type of argument for the Old Earth Christians.

Due to conservation of angular momentum, the Earth's rotation is gradually slowing, and the Earth's day thus lengthens by about 17 microseconds every year (this would make each Earth day one second longer every 60,000 years or so, by one minute longer every four million years, and by four hours longer in 1 billion years' time. Looking back, the day was a mere 23h in length when the Dinosaurs roamed the Earth 65 million years ago).

Still not really an appreciable value.

sigh, it has nothing to do with angular momentum. The in a total vacuum the earth would move at the same speed until something interacted with it, it functions despite small differences as constant motion, which as you know from newton isn't going to change without a net external force. The net external force in our system is interaction with the infinitesimally few particles in the "vacuum" of space. We lose energy propelling or accruing small masses all the time.

I read about a year ago, and just saw again on the tv the other day - there is a theory out there that states that the global flood may have been a comet strike that landed somewhere between africa, india, and australia in the ocean. They found land formations that would support it (forget their name), though that's the only evidence they have at this time. They have a probable location for a crater, if there is one and if it's able to be found, narrowed quite a bit.. but finding a crater under the ocean is quite a challenge. Anyway - the flood myth could indeed be fact. Mega tsunami would have been spawned from an impact, taking out many civilization's and larger civilization's economic and intelligence centers, as they're often on the coasts. Still are to this day.

Yeah, I only read like two post son the first page, and know this thread is a month old :cool:

sigh, it has nothing to do with angular momentum. The in a total vacuum the earth would move at the same speed until something interacted with it, it functions despite small differences as constant motion, which as you know from newton isn't going to change without a net external force. The net external force in our system is interaction with the infinitesimally few particles in the "vacuum" of space. We lose energy propelling or accruing small masses all the time.

Sigh, I copied and pasted the whole paragraph of angular motion from wikipedia. You should tell them they are wrong.

not enough water

Sigh, I copied and pasted the whole paragraph of angular motion from wikipedia. You should tell them they are wrong.

instead of believing everything you read on wikipedia, take a few physics courses and decide for yourself whether it is conservation of angular moment or conservation of energy and what newtonian physics dictates. (Hint: its the latter)

instead of believing everything you read on wikipedia, take a few physics courses and decide for yourself whether it is conservation of angular moment or conservation of energy and what newtonian physics dictates. (Hint: its the latter)

The conservation of angular momentum is used extensively in analyzing what is called central force motion. If the net force on some body is directed always toward some fixed point, the center, then there is no torque on the body with respect to the center, and so the angular momentum of the body about the center is constant. Constant angular momentum is extremely useful when dealing with the orbits of planets and satellites, and also when analyzing the Bohr model of the atom.

The conservation of angular momentum explains the angular acceleration of an ice skater as she brings her arms and legs close to the vertical axis of rotation. By bringing part of mass of her body closer to the axis she decreases her body's moment of inertia. Because angular momentum is constant in the absence of external torques, the angular velocity (rotational speed) of the skater has to increase.

The same phenomenon results in extremely fast spin of compact stars (like white dwarfs, neutron stars and black holes) when they are formed out of much larger and slower rotating stars (indeed, decreasing the size of object 104 times results in increase of its angular velocity by the factor 108).



The conservation of angular momentum in Earth-Moon system results in the transfer of angular momentum from Earth to Moon (due to tidal torque Moon exerts of Earth). This in turn results in the slowing down of the rotation rate of Earth (at about 42 nsec/day), and in gradual increase of the radius of Moon's orbit (at ~4.5 cm/year rate).

You are wrong. You will learn to accept and deal with that.

You need to retake your physics course. :)

course(s)

and you haven't proven anything by quoting wikipedia.

conservation implies constant, the second you talk about the planet changing speed the momentum becomes dynamic as opposed to static. Conservation of angular momentum would explain why if you moved the earth closer it would rotate faster, it has little to do with why the earth in fixed orbit is losing speed. But you might rebutte me by saying but you said that it involved conservation of energy, you know, the laws of thermodynamics, this my friend is where the uninformed would say woah woah woah conservation thermoDYNAMICS, the key is the system isn't losing or gaining energy it is merely transferring energy, therefore a dynamic system within a static system. But back to the point at hand, the earth rotates with a constant speed, we could almost say constant velocity, well that is a sticky wicket because, according to physics if a force is being applied then velocity will change, and yes there is a force applied. So thats where uniform circular motion comes in, when a dynamic force such as gravity is acting on a mass moving at a constant velocity, they can form an orbit, this is because the magnitude and direction of the gravitational "force" always acts perpendicular to the velocity, then using calculus you can show how you reach a point where the gravity only effects the direction not the magnitude of the velocity, so a dynamic velocity with a static speed. The only way you can knock this out of equilibrium is if you add a net external force, such as collisions with particles in space, where the mass of the earth is changing, and hence the magnitude of the gravitional force and the equilibrant speed. But hey, I've only made the dunce cap, now YOU have to wear it.

Type in:

conservation of angular momentum

or

Earth slowing down

Or both of them into your google button to access your webernet. You will find there MANY, MANY, MANY scientific, university and other sites that say:

You are wrong and the more you attempt to not be the more of a cunt you become.

I am done captian physics class. Educate yourself. I have not the time to do it.