I have been having a problem wrapping my mind around this one, and I would be interested tin hearing your theories on this subject.

If the soul exists, then why do form and matter exist? What is the purpose of existence in a phyiscal body?
What do you think?

I think every thing resonates with a certain frequency, a certain vibration, and this vibration determines what dimension you perceive. Several things or beings can exist at the same point in space but be in different dimensions, unperceived, much as radio waves, television waves, and light waves can all exist at the same point in space yet in different frequencies. Our consciousness exists on all density levels, but we are not usually aware of these other levels. All of these dimensions are connected and create a balance. So our physical form is just one part of the larger system, much like a cell in our body is part of the larger system.

To get people asking "where/why/how does my soul exist" in the first place...?

The soul provides us with the opportunity to experience what we want, The mind choose either that experience or another, and the body acts out that choice.

So "doing" is a function of the body, and "being" is a function of the soul.

Matter exists as an expression of ourselves. We have imagined it into existence as a means of experiencing our own nature.
Perhaps

there is a scientific theory that the soul is actually our dark matter counterpart

a perfect copy, a shadow

there is another world like ours at our fingertips that we can never perceive except through discourse like this

the most amazing thing is that we are the intangibles to them

we are the souls of our own souls

The soul is merely a reference to all that makes you who you are. You could just as justifiable call "who you are" your soul. When you die, your "who you are" becomes a memory, rather than a physical manifestation of "who you are". But even a memory is not nothing. A memory of something can be of extreme value. For example, if I know how to build a machine, because I have built one before, I don't need the original machine to build one. If I am precise enough in my calculations and construction, and I have the methodology firmly in place in my mind, I can build another machine exactly like the first one, directly from memory. The soul of that machine was perfectly contained in my memory, so that soul of the machine, my memory of it, can be said to be just as good as already having it in my hands, when allowing there is time to construct it. So a soul is actually very important. After you die, there will be only the memory of you that remains. And only the One has lived long enough, and is studious enough to retain all these souls/memories, could build you again from your soul. Food for thought.

Just another thought on this: The Alpha/Omega is an extremely advanced being, a mind-blowing life-form, who is capable of manipulating time, matter and energy, and other properties of "reality" that we are not yet aware of. It has already been proven theoretically possible to move backward through time, even with our limited knowledge. Once this concept is accepted - the ability to manipulate the movement of time, and a being who can accomplish it, we can then move to the next level.

Now, let's ask some questions here. Is it possible to go back to the beginning of time? Does time have a beginning? For that matter, does the future have a stopping point? Or is the past and the future a loop, which is tied at both ends? If you make a figure-8 loop by twisting a connected flat band 180 degrees, then follow the outside edge of the loop, do you ever meet the place you started? No, you don't.

This extremely knowledgeable being simply uses mechanisms that exist to accomplish It's goals.

People like to say, "How could even God exist if little children have to die every day?" But think about this: If someone could "pluck" a soul from the "past" time-stream, that person would have no memory past the point they were "plucked", since time beyond that point for them had not yet transpired. So, even if just after the "pluck" that person was horribly killed, after the "pluck" that person would have absolutely no memory of it, because that horrible death had not really transpired yet.

And if someone could "pluck" one person from the "past" time-stream, it would follow that it would be possible to pull multiple persons from the time-stream, and for each one of these individuals there will be events tied to their futures which had not yet transpired.

And here's the connection: Pull a soul (memory) in from the past and "rebuild" it.

This is an important issue, but I think that it is really more appropriate to My God. . . I'd like to see what the regulars there have to say.

there is a scientific theory that the soul is actually our dark matter counterpart

a perfect copy, a shadow

there is another world like ours at our fingertips that we can never perceive except through discourse like this

the most amazing thing is that we are the intangibles to them

we are the souls of our own souls

*cough*bullshit*cough*

There are no scientific theories dealing with the supernatural.

*cough*bullshit*cough*

There are no scientific theories dealing with the supernatural.

Really? hmm.. what about EXTRA-DIMENSIONAL THEORY??!

...tin hearing...

Hahahaaha, I don't know why. But thats funny.

If the soul exists, then why do form and matter exist?

The soul is that which experiences, and form and matter are experiences.

What is the purpose of existence in a phyiscal body?

It is simply one out of an infinity of possible perceptions...many would not have physical bodies.

Whats it purpose? A window for awareness to expereince maya, a tool for interaction, and probably more.

What do you think?

I think we should enjoy the moment.

Soul is a word, with supernatural connotations, used as a concept that shapes cognition and understanding of the world.

The human soul is consciousness, and consciousness is something our brains have evolved and has helped the human species immensely in dominating the Earth. Evolution gives some animals speed and others strength but the greatest weapon in the survival of the fittest is the conscious mind.

Soul is a word, with supernatural connotations, used as a concept that shapes cognition and understanding of the world.

The human soul is consciousness, and consciousness is something our brains have evolved and has helped the human species immensely in dominating the Earth. Evolution gives some animals speed and others strength but the greatest weapon in the survival of the fittest is the conscious mind.

Modern physicians as well as eastern physics say that our perceived reality or "space and time" are nothing but names, forms of thought, words of common usage.

The soul is beyond our consciousness. It is "superconsciousness", a level of consciousness beyond ours. It is not just part of humans. All thing organic and inorganic are part of the soul.

All things ... are part of the soul.

Or God in other words.

All.

Or God in other words.

All.

God is not all. It is neither male nor female, neither animal nor human. It is a fearsome entity, all-knowing, all-seeing.

*cough*bullshit*cough*

There are no scientific theories dealing with the supernatural.

the supernatural is just that which we do not yet have a scientific explanation for

not that for which there is no scientific explanation

everything has a scientific explanation as science is just the observation of what is

for example hallucinations used to be considered supernatural but now we understand brain chemistry and all the rest and they fall within the realms of that for which there is a scientific explanation

similarly we are finally approaching a scientific understanding of what we currently call the soul

please think before you make ignorant blanket statements ok

the supernatural is just that which we do not yet have a scientific explanation for

not that for which there is no scientific explanation
That's not true by any standard definition of 'supernatural'. Before the early 70s, we didn't know through what mechanism aspirin alleviated pain. We did not label it as supernatural because of that. There are many things now which we don't know about. We again do not label our ignorance of the natural world as 'supernatural'.

Supernatural is that which can't be explained by natural law, not that which has not yet been explained.

everything has a scientific explanation as science is just the observation of what is
I believe the same thing. Which only means that neither of us believe in the supernatural as it's most usually defined.

for example hallucinations used to be considered supernatural but now we understand brain chemistry and all the rest and they fall within the realms of that for which there is a scientific explanation
Lots of things were considered supernatural by some people, but not because they weren't yet explained. It's because they believed they were caused by demons or other supernatural beings, etc.

similarly we are finally approaching a scientific understanding of what we currently call the soul
Cite? Most people currently consider this part of you that is eternal, goes to heaven, etc.

please think before you make ignorant blanket statements ok
He said,"*cough*bullshit*cough*

There are no scientific theories dealing with the supernatural."

He's absoluely correct.

there is a scientific theory that the soul is actually our dark matter counterpart

It's not scientific nor does it really fit anything so it's not a theory. It's just a silly idea you wanted to paint with credibility

It's thread like this one that make totse a beautiful and worthwhile institution.

The soul is beyond our consciousness. It is "superconsciousness", a level of consciousness beyond ours. It is not just part of humans. All thing organic and inorganic are part of the soul.

How can a soul be beyond consciousness if we are discussing it right now with our conscious minds?

Describe what a soul is and what it does? Tell me where yours is? Tell me how you know that?

The human "soul" is purely a religious concept and term. A sense of self and awareness are psychological concepts. Cognitive thought, brain evolution and other things involving the brain are in nueroscience.

These sciences explain FAR MORE than anything or anyone else can about what you call a soul.

Or God in other words.

All.

Yep..

God is not all. It is neither male nor female, neither animal nor human. It is a fearsome entity, all-knowing, all-seeing.

God is all that is, and all that is not, and yes he is genderless. But his quintessence is by no means a fearsome entity.

That's not true by any standard definition of 'supernatural'. Before the early 70s, we didn't know through what mechanism aspirin alleviated pain. We did not label it as supernatural because of that. There are many things now which we don't know about. We again do not label our ignorance of the natural world as 'supernatural'.

Supernatural is that which can't be explained by natural law, not that which has not yet been explained.


I believe the same thing. Which only means that neither of us believe in the supernatural as it's most usually defined.


Lots of things were considered supernatural by some people, but not because they weren't yet explained. It's because they believed they were caused by demons or other supernatural beings, etc.


Cite? Most people currently consider this part of you that is eternal, goes to heaven, etc.


He said,"*cough*bullshit*cough*

There are no scientific theories dealing with the supernatural."

He's absoluely correct.

We are not talking about the christian concept of the soul. We are talking about the soul the eastern mystics talk about.

Read the tao of physics by Fritjof Capra. It's a exploration of the parallels between modern physics and eastern mysticism. In short, it explains how modern physics is beggining to converge to the same level of understanding that eastern metaphysics has come to.

Also read Extra-dimensional theory: where the supernatural becomes natural. It's a scientific theory in which all supernatural things make sense.

Then maybe you will become a little less ignorant on the subject.

How can a soul be beyond consciousness if we are discussing it right now with our conscious minds?

Describe what a soul is and what it does? Tell me where yours is? Tell me how you know that?

The human "soul" is purely a religious concept and term. A sense of self and awareness are psychological concepts. Cognitive thought, brain evolution and other things involving the brain are in nueroscience.

These sciences explain FAR MORE than anything or anyone else can about what you call a soul.

It is beyond our perceptions, Therefore it cannot be describe it 3-dimensional terms, because it is beyond all that we are able to sense in our current level of consciousness. I doubt you even know what different levels of consciousness are like.


No shit, no one can say anything about it. Atleast without sounding like he's insane.

That's not true by any standard definition of 'supernatural'. Before the early 70s, we didn't know through what mechanism aspirin alleviated pain. We did not label it as supernatural because of that. There are many things now which we don't know about. We again do not label our ignorance of the natural world as 'supernatural'.

Supernatural is that which can't be explained by natural law, not that which has not yet been explained.

your analogy is flawed

thousands of years ago when willow bark was used to alleviate pain the healing properties would have been considered magical and hence supernatural

when we had developed modern aspirin but before we knew precisely how it worked we still had a scientific understanding of organic chemistry and were able to understand the broad scientific framework within which it worked

I believe the same thing. Which only means that neither of us believe in the supernatural as it's most usually defined.

please do not tell me what i believe

just because the supernatural is currently inexplicable and unverifiable does not mean that some supernatural phenomena do not exist

although those who believe everything they hear are idiots

Lots of things were considered supernatural by some people, but not because they weren't yet explained. It's because they believed they were caused by demons or other supernatural beings, etc.

the reason people attributed these apparently supernatural phenomenae to demons or gods or angels is precisely because they had no scientific explanation

when scientific explanations were developed these fanciful notions were abandoned

Cite? Most people currently consider this part of you that is eternal, goes to heaven, etc.

those beliefs are on the same level as the example you just gave

that people attributed unexplained supernatural phenomenae to gods or spirits or demons

as we approach a scientific understanding of the soul these fanciful notions will also be abandoned

as the supernatural is scientifically investigated and empirically verified it will become accepted as the natural

God is all that is, and all that is not, and yes he is genderless. But his quintessence is by no means a fearsome entity.

That's easy for you to say. We could even believe you, if not for the mountain of indications that it's not true.

We are not talking about the christian concept of the soul. We are talking about the soul the eastern mystics talk about.
There's no scientific evidence for a soul!

Read the tao of physics by Fritjof Capra. It's a exploration of the parallels between modern physics and eastern mysticism. In short, it explains how modern physics is beggining to converge to the same level of understanding that eastern metaphysics has come to.
I am aware of the 'Tao of physics' and the author. I don't need to read the book as from what I know I will be underwhelmed.

How Do You Solve a Problem Like a (Fritjof) Capra?

Fritjof Capra’s popular books purport to expound modern thinking in science by promoting “system thinking.” Really, they are naïve and misleading, ignoring the success of detailed “mechanistic” explanations, especially in biology.
http://www.csicop.org/si/2005-07/

Although mysticism is said to exist in the writings of many of the early century's prominent physicists (Wilber 1984), the current fad of mystical physics began in earnest with the publication in 1975 of Fritjof Capra's The Tao of Physics (Capra 1975). There Capra asserted that quantum theory has confirmed the traditional teaching of Eastern mystics: that human consciousness and the universe form an interconnected, irreducible whole. An example:

To the enlightened man . . . whose consciousness embraces the universe, to him the universe becomes his "body," while the physical body becomes a manifestation of the Universal Mind, his inner vision an expression of the highest reality, and his speech an expression of eternal truth and mantric power

Capra's book was an inspiration for the New Age, and "quantum" became a buzzword used to buttress the trendy, pseudoscientific spirituality that characterizes this movement.
http://www.csicop.org/si/9701/quantum-quackery.html


Also read Extra-dimensional theory: where the supernatural becomes natural. It's a scientific theory in which all supernatural things make sense.
My reading list is full at the moment, thanks.

Then maybe you will become a little less ignorant on the subject.
Nothing I wrote was incorrect.

your analogy is flawed

thousands of years ago when willow bark was used to alleviate pain the healing properties would have been considered magical and hence supernatural

when we had developed modern aspirin but before we knew precisely how it worked we still had a scientific understanding of organic chemistry and were able to understand the broad scientific framework within which it worked
So why is it flawed? I wrote that we didn't believe aspirin worked through supernatural means before the early 70s (at least most people) just because we didn't know how it worked. I was speaking about relatively modern times. You are aware that if others long ago others thought it worked through magical means that I agree that this would have been considered a supernatural belief, right? I think I made that pretty clear in my post.


please do not tell me what i believe

just because the supernatural is currently inexplicable and unverifiable does not mean that some supernatural phenomena do not exist
I never said it did mean that the supernatural doesn't exist. I don't believe it does and I wrote that you don't either based on most definitions of 'supernatural'.

You wrote, "everything has a scientific explanation as science is just the observation of what is".

A scientific explanation is one that is within the realm of the world that works through the laws of science. If there is a god for example, that 'created' the laws which things work, yet He works outside those laws, that would be 'supernatural' and His works would not have a scientific explanation.






when scientific explanations were developed these fanciful notions were abandoned
By some.

Does animals have souls?

Does animals have souls?

Yes, they do. But these souls, once they lose their physical manifestation, are not to be reconstructed, for the reason that they only play a sub-serviant part in the whole of the initial design. Who knows how the arrangement will be in the new system, when "death will be no more"?

Yes, they do. But these souls, once they lose their physical manifestation, are not to be reconstructed, for the reason that they only play a sub-serviant part in the whole of the initial design. Who knows how the arrangement will be in the new system, when "death will be no more"?

And what makes you think that our souls will prevail/be reconstructed?

And what makes you think that our souls will prevail/be reconstructed?

Because it's plainly written in all the ancient manuscripts. Some will never have to die, and will live through the Great War to the new system.

There's no scientific evidence for a soul!


I am aware of the 'Tao of physics' and the author. I don't need to read the book as from what I know I will be underwhelmed.


http://www.csicop.org/si/2005-07/


http://www.csicop.org/si/9701/quantum-quackery.html



My reading list is full at the moment, thanks.


Nothing I wrote was incorrect.

I'm not going to waste my time writing a full-scale rebuke on you. You're too closed-minded.

Does animals have souls?

Animals don't have souls. Their is only one soul that has the animals.

Because it's plainly written in all the ancient manuscripts. Some will never have to die, and will live through the Great War to the new system.

So you're telling me, that it is the truth, because it has been written down in a bunch of old books?

So, do you also believe that thunder is caused by Thor? That dancing in a specific way creates rain, and that witches are to blame for a bad year of farming?

If not. Why?

So you're telling me, that it is the truth, because it has been written down in a bunch of old books?

So, do you also believe that thunder is caused by Thor? That dancing in a specific way creates rain, and that witches are to blame for a bad year of farming?

If not. Why?

All these manuscripts are inspired by the same source, as is keenly observed when one examines the whole of the collection. Much like a certain author can immediately be identified by his writing style, catch-phrases and sayings, so too we can identify this relationship among certain ancient manuscripts. If the author is to be trusted, which I believe it is, we can expect a reconstruction of worthy souls in the new system, which is very close at hand now. All the foretold signs are here in this generation.

All these manuscripts are inspired by the same source, as is keenly observed when one examines the whole of the collection. Much like a certain author can immediately be identified by his writing style, catch-phrases and sayings, so too we can identify this relationship among certain ancient manuscripts. If the author is to be trusted, which I believe it is, we can expect a reconstruction of worthy souls in the new system, which is very close at hand now. All the foretold signs are here in this generation.

What/Who is this 'source'? And why do you find it trustworhty?

What/Who is this 'source'? And why do you find it trustworhty?

The source is an extremely powerful and intelligent entity which rules these planes we occupy. Perhaps there are more ruling other planes of existence, but this one is called I Am Who I will Prove to Be, or JHVH for short, but even those names are not entirely accurate, as this being has no name. He likes to be identified by what he is, what his actions are, and what he intends to do.

The source is an extremely powerful and intelligent entity which rules these planes we occupy. Perhaps there are more ruling other planes of existence, but this one is called I Am Who I Am, or JHVH for short, but even those names are not entirely accurate, as this being has no name.

And exactly what is it that convinces you, that they are infact written by that entity?

And exactly what is it that convinces you, that they are infact written by that entity?

When one makes an extremely thorough analysis of the materials, it is discovered that there are many specific predictions, complete with name, place and time, made in these manuscripts. So far, every single one occurring in the time between then and now have come true, and very accurately so. We can assume the remaining ones, triggered to happen now and in our future, will be just as accurate. These accurate predictions prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that it is the same author, an entity who has knowledge of not only our complete past, and our deepest desires, but of our future time-line as well.

When one makes an extremely thorough analysis of the materials, it is discovered that there are many specific predictions, complete with name, place and time, made in these manuscripts. So far, every single one occurring in the time between then and now have come true, and very accurately so. We can assume the remaining ones, triggered to happen now and in our future, will be just as accurate. These accurate predictions prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that it is the same author, an entity who has knowledge of not only our complete past, and our deepest desires, but of our future time-line as well.

So who wrote them? what is this entity? when was it written? why was it written? can you give a few examples of these accurate predictions?

Anyone can make accurate predictions of the future, based on the past. In fact, he can do it even more accurately with no knowledge of the past. Have you ever heard of something like the akashic records?

The universe is like a big illusory hologram. You take one piece away from it and that one piece contains all the information of the whole hologram. We are like one of those piece. We are the microcosm, and the universe is the macrocosm. Any kind of information is accessible to anyone if they remember how to tap into the sort of copy of the universe within them

When one makes an extremely thorough analysis of the materials, it is discovered that there are many specific predictions, complete with name, place and time, made in these manuscripts. So far, every single one occurring in the time between then and now have come true, and very accurately so. We can assume the remaining ones, triggered to happen now and in our future, will be just as accurate. These accurate predictions prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that it is the same author, an entity who has knowledge of not only our complete past, and our deepest desires, but of our future time-line as well.

Stop acting like a fucking oracle and start providing something that's not complete bullshit. Give us an example of one of these predictions.

It is a fearsome entity, all-knowing, all-seeing.

Thats an illusion.

God is all.

The universe is like a big illusory hologram. You take one piece away from it and that one piece contains all the information of the whole hologram.

Nice tidbit!

Nice tidbit!

Obbe creams over illusions.

I think he wants to be a magician of some sort when he grows up.

Logos, a term used by Greek philosopher Heraclitus to describe the underlying force of the universe. Logos translates to "word" but can also mean "principle" or "order," and is associated with the laws of nature. To Greeks, logic was the guiding force of the universe, giving it structure and form. In an individual the logos can be said to be the higher self, the oversoul or monad, the divine wise part of the self.

In ascension lore, the Logos is the higher self of creation. As there are many levels of each individual being paralleling the many levels of creation, the Logos manifests on many levels. Each Logos is responsible for the development of life in its domain. The concept of the Cosmic Logos is the closest thing we can understand as the creator of all universes, and all reality. From the Cosmic Logos flows the Universal Logos. The Universal Logos is epitomized by the Great Central Sun of our universe. It is the holy, formless fire in the center of the universe, or the mythical "Secret Fire" from The Fellowship of the Ring, which Gandalf describes as his true master. Gandalf, as a force of harmony, serves this Secret Fire and uses its power to stop the demonic Balrog. The universal fire is found in many traditions, myth, and stories. The flow continues to the Galactic Logos, the Solar Logos, and finally the Planetary Logos level. Each universe has its own prime higher self, as does each galaxy, solar system, and planet.

Each Logos is the prime center of power for that structure's hierarchy. The Universal Logos has its own hierarchy, as does the Galactic Logos of our galaxy, and so on through the cycle to the planetary level. Each Logos has several beings in charge of various functions of its being, the administrators of that part of reality. Each is responsible for shaping that level of creation.

One can think of the structure of each system in a manner similar to the Gaia hypothesis. We are like cells in the body of the Earth, as are all living things. Each has its own purpose for the greater functioning of the being, just as the cells within the organs of our body have their own individual purpose. Each planet is like an organ in the solar being's body. Each star is part of the galactic being's body. Each galaxy is a part of the universal being's body, and each universe is a part of the cosmic being's body. Each "cell," each "organ," is alive, and each level of beings has a higher self, a spiritual Logos, guiding this level.

Obbe creams over illusions.

Yes.

And I was talking about this one (http://www.google.ca/search?q=universe+hologram&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a).

Soul is the gamer.
Body is the avatar.
Mind is the program.

Sad, huh?

There is no such thing as a soul. The reasoning behind which is because there is no true essence. All things are in constant fluctuation. An "essenceless essence" so to speak.

There is no such thing as a soul. The reasoning behind which is because there is no true essence. All things are in constant fluctuation. An "essenceless essence" so to speak.

That is true. That all things are changing all the time. Even God or the Soul changes. So it is infact an "essenceless essence". He is "The unmoved mover".

there is no true essence.

How about 'being'?

That is true. That all things are changing all the time. Even God or the Soul changes. So it is infact an "essenceless essence". He is "The unmoved mover".

I don't know what definition you're using for soul, but I'm thinking the soul is the supposed indestructable (i.e. unchanging) entity which is the essence of a human. It's the core of being. You could take yourself apart, piece by piece, and not find anything that can be considered yours, or even "you". And if you assert that a soul exists, where is it, why is it, when is it [implanted/merge with this human form], and what does it consist of? Would we even be the only beings to have souls. If you haven't had any direct experience with this entity, or have likened it an arbitrary mental/physical event, then there is no way you could possibly know what you speak of. I honestly see no evidence for the case of a soul, or even a god. Both seem to be conjured up from the psyche as a means of self-protection and self-preservation. A manifestation of ego which lures thoughts of comfort to the mind.

Obbe: "Being" is merely a superficial perception of ourselves, and the world around us. If things are in perpetual change, what could be considered to be in a state of being? Birth and death both happen in an instant, ad infinitum. A pure state of being is the word you become aroused to so often: illusion.

i think that to say that there definately is a reason for being here is wrong.

we might just be put for no reason so that we can die and be a ghost and shit. or not.

there really is no way to know why anything has happened.

i think that to say that there definately is a reason for being here is wrong.

we might just be put for no reason so that we can die and be a ghost and shit. or not.

there really is no way to know what or why anything has happened or what is going to happen.

When one makes an extremely thorough analysis of the materials, it is discovered that there are many specific predictions, complete with name, place and time, made in these manuscripts. So far, every single one occurring in the time between then and now have come true, and very accurately so. We can assume the remaining ones, triggered to happen now and in our future, will be just as accurate. These accurate predictions prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that it is the same author, an entity who has knowledge of not only our complete past, and our deepest desires, but of our future time-line as well.

Aaaah, so you're a cleverly reworded Bible prophecist.

Really? hmm.. what about EXTRA-DIMENSIONAL THEORY??!

What's this extra-dimensional theory?? I hope you're not speaking of string theory/m-theory etc...

Yes, it is true there is no soul. It is simply an antiquated notion from ancient times, when people needed some way to explain the difference between someone who is alive and one is dead. They said people that were alive "had a spirit, a soul that enlivened them" as they did not understand basic physiology. Now some people equate a soul to one's personality, which is all mapped out in the brain. I also think many people now believe in this supposed 'soul' entity to have some easy (unexplainable) way to explain how an afterlife is possible. In short, there is no soul, nor any reason to believe in anything supernatural.

I don't know what definition you're using for soul, but I'm thinking the soul is the supposed indestructable (i.e. unchanging) entity which is the essence of a human. It's the core of being. You could take yourself apart, piece by piece, and not find anything that can be considered yours, or even "you". And if you assert that a soul exists, where is it, why is it, when is it [implanted/merge with this human form], and what does it consist of? Would we even be the only beings to have souls. If you haven't had any direct experience with this entity, or have likened it an arbitrary mental/physical event, then there is no way you could possibly know what you speak of. I honestly see no evidence for the case of a soul, or even a god. Both seem to be conjured up from the psyche as a means of self-protection and self-preservation. A manifestation of ego which lures thoughts of comfort to the mind.

Obbe: "Being" is merely a superficial perception of ourselves, and the world around us. If things are in perpetual change, what could be considered to be in a state of being? Birth and death both happen in an instant, ad infinitum. A pure state of being is the word you become aroused to so often: illusion.

Alot of people are mistaken by thinking it's the body that contains the soul. It's the other way around, it's the soul that contains the body. The soul is everywhere, yet nowhere in particular... which means that the soul is now/here

The soul provides us with the opportunity to experience what we want, and the mind chooses either that experience or another, and the body acts out that choice. So the souls function is being, while the bodies function is doing. The soul or "God" gets the experiences through the bodies.

The word "when" is a relative term. Really, their is only the present.

The soul is everything that is, and everything that is not. Their is nothing that is outside of God. So no, humans are not the only beings who "have souls".

It is impossible to describe the soul correctly with our 3-dimensional terms, but their are many who have a direct experience of the soul.

I converse with this being all the time. God talks to everyone all the time through thought, feelings, experience, and even word if all else fails. It's just some people listen, and others don't.

What's this extra-dimensional theory?? I hope you're not speaking of string theory/m-theory etc...

Yes, it is true there is no soul. It is simply an antiquated notion from ancient times, when people needed some way to explain the difference between someone who is alive and one is dead. They said people that were alive "had a spirit, a soul that enlivened them" as they did not understand basic physiology. Now some people equate a soul to one's personality, which is all mapped out in the brain. I also think many people now believe in this supposed 'soul' entity to have some easy (unexplainable) way to explain how an afterlife is possible. In short, there is no soul, nor any reason to believe in anything supernatural.

No, not the string theory. Their is another extra-dimensional theory that talks only about 4 dimensions.
Theirs a book on it called "extra-dimensional theory: where the paranormal becomes normal"

and who the fuck are you to say that their is no such thing as a soul? You have no idea what it is where even talking about, so shut the fuck up with your ignorance. I bet you do not even know basic physics.

First of all you are right that their really no such thing as supernatural. Phenomena that we would consider "supernatural" if you actually witness it (ex. telekinesis, teleportation, precognition, etc.) are really natural, but we just do not have a scientific explanation for it yet. We haven't found an explanation for them yet, because it's not possible to do such a thing in our current level of consciousness. We are all extra-dimensional beings, but we are only conscious of 3 dimensions of space plus time, rather than 4 dimensions of space. We perceive movement in the 4th dimension as time in our level of awareness. Modern physics has already recognized this in a way.

As for ghosts, and other entities like that, they fit within the extra-dimensional theory, but they make more sense in the planes of existence (or levels of experience as I like to call them) theory for me. Basically, it's suggests that the world may be like a radio with different frequencies. Like your room may be filled with entities that are too subtle or having a different atomic vibration that you would not be able to perceive with your physical senses, and they are living in a corresponding environment with a corresponding "frequency" Just as we are in living in one of our own.

What you are thinking of is the christian concept of the soul. A "supernatural" part of ourselves which supposedly resides in the body and lives on after we experience physical death. Their is something like that, but we do not really drop the body. It changes form and we take all but the densest part, and we continue to experience ourselves in another body that is too subtle (of a higher atomic density or vibration) for our senses to perceive in a normal state of consciousness in a realm of a higher "frequency".

But remember that this is just my (and many others) subjective reality that sometimes changes. It isn't neccesarily the objective reality.

So your source for this theory is just one book? I couldn't find it anywhere on wikipedia, so I guess it isn't that well known. So far the sources for all your bs are: a book on the paranormal, quantum quackery aka The Tao of Physics and the speculative conjecture known as the holographic universe theory. WOW

So what is this 'soul' that you believe exists and what support do you have for its existence?

The soul is everything that is, and everything that is not. Their is nothing that is outside of God. So no, humans are not the only beings who "have souls".

It is impossible to describe the soul correctly with our 3-dimensional terms, but their are many who have a direct experience of the soul.

I converse with this being all the time. God talks to everyone all the time through thought, feelings, experience, and even word if all else fails. It's just some people listen, and others don't.

Ahh here we go, more obscurantist language.

"soul is everything that is" - then why use the word soul at all? Instead of 'soul exists' we can say 'everything that exists...exists' wow.

'soul is everything that is not' - what? How can something be not something?

Next you invoke some supposed 'god' for no reason. God is a meaningless term, so I will pass this section.

How would one know they 'experience the soul'? Like Capra (using lots of psychedelic drugs)?

Without knowing that which is not, how can you know that which is? Modern physics and eastern mysticism know of many things that seemingly contradict each other. This is what I call the "divine dichotomy". It's too difficult for your puny minds to grasp. I knew I shouldn't have expected much from totseans.

God, soul, all, universe, call it whatever you want, they are just different guttural utterences ascribed with just about the same meanings.

I don't know about Capra, but their are many people who can do things that seem impossible to us. They can do such things because they have realized Who They Really Are (the creator) and that everything is within their power. Not all people fully realize this. Some people have only partially cultivated the higher faculty, and are only able to do a limited amount of "supernatural" feats.

Their is no point in arguing who is right or wrong. Everyone is right. Your subjective reality is true for you, but it may not be the subjective reality of another, and more than likely not the objective reality. Therefore everyone should have an open-mind and not judge or condemn others because of their beliefs. That's how wars are started.

Just because the whole world believes in something does not by virtue make it true, and just because almost no one in the world believes in it, does not make it any less true.

Without knowing that which is not, how can you know that which is? Modern physics and eastern mysticism know of many things that seemingly contradict each other. This is what I call the "divine dichotomy". It's too difficult for your puny minds to grasp. I knew I shouldn't have expected much from totseans.

God, soul, all, universe, call it whatever you want, they are just different guttural utterences ascribed with just about the same meanings.

I don't know about Capra, but their are many people who can do things that seem impossible to us. They can do such things because they have realized Who They Really Are (the creator) and that everything is within their power. Not all people fully realize this. Some people have only partially cultivated the higher faculty, and are only able to do a limited amount of "supernatural" feats.

Their is no point in arguing who is right or wrong. Everyone is right. Your subjective reality is true for you, but it may not be the subjective reality of another, and more than likely not the objective reality. Therefore everyone should have an open-mind and not judge or condemn others because of their beliefs. That's how wars are started.

Just because the whole world believes in something does not by virtue make it true, and just because almost no one in the world believes in it, does not make it any less true.

Hmm k, fine. Then stop talking about nonsensical, unfounded entities such as a 'soul' and just call it the universe. That is something that makes sense and you can point to extra-linguistically.

Everyone is right? So then 'everyone is wrong' is also a true statement? Again, someone confusing reality with perception or opinion. I'm dissapointed.

The soul exists because people were created in the image of God, to live forever.

However, man's sin cuts this life short.

Fortunatley, by accepting Jesus Christ as your lord and savior you can recieve eternal life even you don't deserve it.

Read the Bible for more information. :)

The soul exists because people were created in the image of God, to live forever.

However, man's sin cuts this life short.

Fortunatley, by accepting Jesus Christ as your lord and savior you can recieve eternal life even you don't deserve it.

Read the Bible for more information. :)

Ok, since you want to defend the Christian version of the soul...what foundation do you have for it? I mean, what do you point to and say, this is the soul? Is it something you would say you could find support for to show others or do you just have faith it exists supernaturally, as a transport to give you an afterlife?

Alot of people are mistaken by thinking it's the body that contains the soul. It's the other way around, it's the soul that contains the body. The soul is everywhere, yet nowhere in particular... which means that the soul is now/here

The soul provides us with the opportunity to experience what we want, and the mind chooses either that experience or another, and the body acts out that choice. So the souls function is being, while the bodies function is doing. The soul or "God" gets the experiences through the bodies.

The word "when" is a relative term. Really, their is only the present.

The soul is everything that is, and everything that is not. Their is nothing that is outside of God. So no, humans are not the only beings who "have souls".

It is impossible to describe the soul correctly with our 3-dimensional terms, but their are many who have a direct experience of the soul.

I converse with this being all the time. God talks to everyone all the time through thought, feelings, experience, and even word if all else fails. It's just some people listen, and others don't.

How exactly have you come to this realization of the soul existing outside of the body, being everywhere and nowhere simultaneously? It seems as though you've begun to merge your incredible idea of a soul and the functioning of the mind. Volition is an aspect of mentation. Something easily observable at any given moment in time by virtually anyone. And, of course, the body is an extension of the mind in the physical plane. The way experience is founded is through memory and awareness with respect to the corresponding faculty(ies).

Although there is no way to absolutely expound on the characteristics of anything, you should still be able find words that represent it to some degree. You said you converse with this "being" all the time. How exactly do you do that? Is there a particular method you use for such interaction? What does the soul feel like? Does the soul have some measure of consciousness and will?

To get people asking "where/why/how does my soul exist" in the first place...?

Lawl.

How exactly have you come to this realization of the soul existing outside of the body, being everywhere and nowhere simultaneously? It seems as though you've begun to merge your incredible idea of a soul and the functioning of the mind. Volition is an aspect of mentation. Something easily observable at any given moment in time by virtually anyone. And, of course, the body is an extension of the mind in the physical plane. The way experience is founded is through memory and awareness with respect to the corresponding faculty(ies).

Although there is no way to absolutely expound on the characteristics of anything, you should still be able find words that represent it to some degree. You said you converse with this "being" all the time. How exactly do you do that? Is there a particular method you use for such interaction? What does the soul feel like? Does the soul have some measure of consciousness and will?

Ok, i've thought of a semi-decent analogy to help you understand the concept.

Imagine the soul is like a big infinite ocean of some kind of liquid. Then their is a thin sheet of some porous fabric. The sheet divides the absolute realm (where nothing has an opposite) and the relative realms (where everything must has an opposite). The big infinite ocean is on top of these porous sheets on the absolute side, and as it squeezes through the sheet it divides into little droplet of water. The drops of water represent our bodies.

Thats the best analogy I could think of at the moment, but it's much more complex than that.

You can try to describe the experience of God-consciousness or superconsciousness, but your statements would be full of contradictions, of that which you can describe. The ancient eastern scriptures have many examples of this.

God talks to us in four different ways. Through thought, feelings, experience, and word. He talks to everyone, but not everyone listens. So next you ask how to tell if your getting a communication from God or from some other source like your mind. The answer is that God's answer is always the highest thought, the grandest feeling, and the clearest word.

I can give you more information on how discern between messages your soul or from your mind. Just instant messenge me.

The soul does not feel like anything. It is beyond the tactual sense. It can best be described as a pure state of "being". Where you are one with the universe, but it's impossible for you to experience yourself in this form without a body.

Ok, i've thought of a semi-decent analogy to help you understand the concept.

Imagine the soul is like a big infinite ocean of some kind of liquid. Then their is a thin sheet of some porous fabric. The sheet divides the absolute realm (where nothing has an opposite) and the relative realms (where everything must has an opposite). The big infinite ocean is on top of these porous sheets on the absolute side, and as it squeezes through the sheet it divides into little droplet of water. The drops of water represent our bodies.

Thats the best analogy I could think of at the moment, but it's much more complex than that.

You can try to describe the experience of God-consciousness or superconsciousness, but your statements would be full of contradictions, of that which you can describe. The ancient eastern scriptures have many examples of this.

God talks to us in four different ways. Through thought, feelings, experience, and word. He talks to everyone, but not everyone listens. So next you ask how to tell if your getting a communication from God or from some other source like your mind. The answer is that God's answer is always the highest thought, the grandest feeling, and the clearest word.

I can give you more information on how discern between messages your soul or from your mind. Just instant messenge me.

I cannot tell you what the soul feels like. That only you can find out.

It sounds like you're explaining the nature of reality. There is the relative, dual, illusory perspective which we normally experience, and there is the transcendent, non-dual, luminous perspecive. Both of which are neither different, nor the same; merely different shades of the same totality. There is no "true" defining or partitioning of either from the other (not even on the most subtle levels). The only means of fragmenting that keeps us from seeing things as they truly are is our own ignorance.

I've heard another analogy using the ocean. The surface of which is chaotic and rough, but the lowest depths are serene and tranquil.

I've tried to stay abreast on the Eastern philosophies, but have been entirely too busy over the past year to remain focused on the subject (I was in Iraq for a year). Either way, I'm not too keen on Hinduism; the tradition it appears you enjoy pulling knowledge from the most. And as I stated in a previous post, it's impossible to accurately describe any experience, not just the exalted ones.

I'm not even in the mood to dissect your paragraph concerning communication with this deity or whatever you equate the word "god" to. Brahma, I'm assuming.