What's so special about punk? or just rock in general?
because it seems that Christians seem to target this genre a lot.

Just recently I asked my mom why I can't go to a punk show at the local venue and she said because it's bad music. I asked her what makes it bad and she says it's "devil music". I told her I don't believe that there is a devil, but she still wont listen.

What I've been taught is that [fundamentalist] Christians don't listen to any type of secular music because it does not "bring God glory".

Both of my parents listen to some secular music so I'm really pissed, argh, and I know calling them hypocrites will only make them angry.

Isn't it a bit of a generalization to say all Christians hate all secular music?

Secondly, what's so great about that music anyway?

And what makes you think the devil doesn't exist? Don't a lot of secular musicians make satanic hand-signs and talk about the devil?

And on that note, why would you want to be involved with anyone who does anything like that? :rolleyes:

Isn't it a bit of a generalization to say all Christians hate all secular music?

Possibly, a lot of the more conservative Christians do though.


Secondly, what's so great about that music anyway?

That is irrelevant.


And what makes you think the devil doesn't exist?

The same thing that makes people think Hades doesn't exist.


Don't a lot of secular musicians make satanic hand-signs and talk about the devil?

Yes, but so what?


And on that note, why would you want to be involved with anyone who does anything like that? :rolleyes:

I wouldn't, troll.

That is irrelevant.


No it's not. If you don't know why you like something then logically you shouldn't like it at all.


The same thing that makes people think Hades doesn't exist.


No, it's the same thing that makes people think Hades does exist. Instead of reading the Bible, which was inspired by God (2 Timothy 3:16), people dream up their own false beliefs like Greek mythology and atheism (interestingly, both of which promote sodomy, which God's truth condemns)


Yes, but so what?


What do you mean so what? These people admit to be following satan, that can't possibly be good. Any sensible person would stay far away from those people and want nothing to do with them.

No it's not. If you don't know why you like something then logically you shouldn't like it at all.

Yes that's true. If you were referring to punk, I like it because: it's fast and has lyrics I can relate to.


No, it's the same thing that makes people think Hades does exist. Instead of reading the Bible, which was inspired by God (2 Timothy 3:16), people dream up their own false beliefs like Greek mythology and atheism (interestingly, both of which promote sodomy, which God's truth condemns)

Atheism doesn't promote sodomy. And why do you believe that Christianity is any better than Greek mythology?


What do you mean so what? These people admit to be following satan, that can't possibly be good. Any sensible person would stay far away from those people and want nothing to do with them.


Ever thought that they were being sarcastic? Even if some are seriously "following Satan" I doesn't matter to me since I don't believe in Satan.

i dont listen to christian music, just because i dont like the rhythms and sound.. but i am a christian. i listen to music because of the rhythm and sound.. never listen to lyrics

Atheism doesn't promote sodomy. And why do you believe that Christianity is any better than Greek mythology?

Ever thought that they were being sarcastic? Even if some are seriously "following Satan" I doesn't matter to me since I don't believe in Satan.

Atheism does promote sodomy, all the time you see atheists promoting "gay rights" and such.

Christianity is better because it's true.

I doubt they're being sarcastic. Either way, they are following satan and you are to, whether you realize it or not.

Those who don't follow God are following satan and destined for hell unless they repent and accept Jesus Christ!

*feeds troll*

Atheism does promote sodomy, all the time you see atheists promoting "gay rights" and such.

They happen to be Atheists. I'm Atheist and I don't promote "gay rights"..


Christianity is better because it's true.

And how do you know it is true?

No it's not. If you don't know why you like something then logically you shouldn't like it at all.

There's no logic in that, stop misusing the word

Atheism does promote sodomy, all the time you see atheists promoting "gay rights" and such.

Supporting equal rights for gays is no more promoting sodomy than supporting equal rights for the Chinese is promoting egg fu young.

And gays shouldn't have the same rights as everyone else? Gotta love those good ole' Christian morals.

Supporting equal rights for gays is no more promoting sodomy than supporting equal rights for the Chinese is promoting egg fu young.

And gays shouldn't have the same rights as everyone else? Gotta love those good ole' Christian morals.

Indeed. People who are full of "Christian Love" are often some of the most hateful bastards there are.

Atheism does promote sodomy, all the time you see atheists promoting "gay rights" and such.

Christianity is better because it's true.

I doubt they're being sarcastic. Either way, they are following satan and you are to, whether you realize it or not.

Those who don't follow God are following satan and destined for hell unless they repent and accept Jesus Christ!



I hope to fucking GOD you're not serious.

out of curiousity, what punk show?

No, it's the same thing that makes people think Hades does exist. Instead of reading the Bible, which was inspired by God (2 Timothy 3:16), people dream up their own false beliefs like Greek mythology and atheism (interestingly, both of which promote sodomy, which God's truth condemns)

This quote right here officially confirms all the suspicions of you being nothing more than a troll. All that I can hope is that you are practicing satire and do not actually believe the moronic drivel seeping into this forum by way of your inane and uninspired postings.

This determination should have seemed to be the obvious situation from the start of your stay here. But, I and others tend to give people the benefit of the doubt. I personally suspended my judgment a bit longer as I realize that trolling (if done right, and in the right places) can derail idiotic and ignorant banter into more meaningful conversation.

The best thing you can do is just go anyway and tell her to go fuck herself.

Well no not the best, I'm feeling shitty, maybe you should just go anyway without telling her to go fuck herself. Or perhaps use a different naughty word.

No, it's the same thing that makes people think Hades does exist. Instead of reading the Bible, which was inspired by God (2 Timothy 3:16), people dream up their own false beliefs like Greek mythology and atheism (interestingly, both of which promote sodomy, which God's truth condemns)


It might be interesting for you to note that Greek mythology predates Christianity by quite some time. So INSTEAD of reading the bible, which was far from being written at this point in time, people just DREAMED up their own gods. Arguably much like people such as yourself did.

The inspired word of God? And with the bible verse to prove it no less. *eyes roll*
Your logic is only one step away from believing any simple conman because they gave you their word.

I think you should dig up some more concrete evidence of *your own* infallibility before you go and criticize others.

You have not made one relevant point yet.
If he enjoys this music, then that is his concern. The morality of the music is his concern too. If you don't agree with it, then don't listen to it. But far be you from any authority to tell someone else what to listen to.
Your moral right is not anybody else's, save for other people who subscribe to your ideologies.

This quote right here officially confirms all the suspicions of you being nothing more than a troll. All that I can hope is that you are practicing satire and do not actually believe the moronic drivel seeping into this forum by way of your inane and uninspired postings.


Rolloffle's been the *token* Christian troll for awhile now. I can assure you, no one here - not even the Christians - take him seriously.

It sounds to me like you need to stop taking shit from your parents and tell them that you will go to whatever the hell you want to go to.

Not going to a "punk" show because your parents won't let you....harden the fuck up.

out of curiousity, what punk show?

The Abuse, 2nd class citizens and some others in Berkeley.

Atheism does promote sodomy, all the time you see atheists promoting "gay rights" and such.

Christianity is better because it's true.

I doubt they're being sarcastic. Either way, they are following satan and you are to, whether you realize it or not.

Those who don't follow God are following satan and destined for hell unless they repent and accept Jesus Christ!

I, too, can only hope you are being satirical in this post.

This is ridiculous.

I have been raised from a young age with strong Christian backgrounds and it's basically been indoctrinated into my skull since the time I recognized words that nothing else matters but God and fulfilling his glory.

Whatever that means.

Gradually, I've strayed away from the bullshit that is church in general. I've been to enough church sermons to know that most Christians are hypocritical and highly hateful of some minority groups. Does it not say in the Bible to treat others as you would treat yourself? So why discriminate against other religions, gays, or...

...music?

There is no evidence that people who make satanic signs at rock concerts are indeed satanic themselves. And even if they are, that's their own choice to make. If God had wanted us to believe something predetermined by someone else (ie. parents, Priest/Pope/Dean, Rolloffle) he would have just MADE it that way. It is, ironically, blasphemous for fundamentalist evangelical Christians to try and sway people's beliefs by threatening them with this bullshit.

Though I have strayed from some of the more ridiculous beliefs thought up by the Christian system, I still have morals from it, which was why it was created in the first place--to give people hope and motivation to do good instead of bad. God used to write on the wall with his hand and let everyone know it was him. I've yet to see or hear about something like that in the last 1500 years or so.

Plus, I don't even LIKE punk music. It's just bullshit that you would try and convey your fucked up thoughts using hollow threats like this. Please go die and be at peace with yourself, Rolloffle. Oh, sorry, I meant with your GOD.

My bad.

It's interesting, in a way, to see just how often Christianity is used to justify a conservative status quo...

The Abuse, 2nd class citizens and some others in Berkeley.

dunno the bands. Gilman show?

dunno the bands. Gilman show?

Yeah it was a show at Gilman.

Rolloffle's been the *token* Christian troll for awhile now.

What ever happened to Digital Savior?

Let me make one thing clear.

There are two types of Christians. Actual Christians, and fundalmentalist, ultraconservative fake Christians that seem to affiliate Christianity with right wing politics.

The reason these fake Christians oppose everything else besides the stereotypical "Christian Music" is simply because those particular individuals are weak minded people that are unwilling to even CONSIDER for one moment that there might possibly be OTHER morally just things in the world (ie music) that they don't relate to.

There is nothing wrong with believing what you want to believe, however when ANY individual claims his beliefs are better than mine, thus making that individual "better" than me, it is reason for question. I myself am a Christian, however I am disgusted that Christianity is judged by loud mouthed idiots that put a face to my religion.

If you say you are a Christian, and yet disdain variety and other cultures, you must not be that close with God. Is the Christian thing to do turn your nose up at anything you have never exposed yourself to, just because it is different from what you are used to? The answer is no, which is why I listen to ALL music, believe in pro-choice, oppose unjust war, and don't give 2 shits whether gays can marry. God was not a close minded being, look at the variety in the world of culture, music, etc. There is no reason to hate something different BECAUSE its different. I have little respect for self proclaimed "Christians" because of this.

^Although your attempts to separate yourself from psychotic assholes are noble, they are wholly uninformed and incorrect. Read your holy book again, and see the abhorrent trash contained therein.

What ever happened to Digital Savior?

She still posts on Totse some, just not in here as much as she used to.

Digital was by no means a troll in this forum - she was actually very well-read, articulate, and believed in the things she debated on.

[QUOTE=Toastman;9035624]Let me make one thing clear.

There are two types of Christians. Actual Christians, and fundalmentalist, ultraconservative fake Christians that seem to affiliate Christianity with right wing politics.

QUOTE]

I think you would find that the latter group would loudly proclaim themselves to be the "Actual" Christians.

There have always been zillions of Xian sects, going back to before the Bible was standardized by the Bishop of Alexandria--the Essenes, the Thomists, and about a bazillion different flavors of Gnostics.

IMHO, however, what all followers of the Abrahamic religons--be they Xian, Jew or Muslim--have in common is that their religion is based on fear and denial.

Old folks have always gotten their panties twisted up over popular music--the first waltz outraged many of the older set. More recently, the music for the lindy hop, jitterbugging, the twist--all these had parents up in arms.

OP, with all due respect for your parental units--they sound like assholes. However, in America today, assholery has become the norm.

Atheism does promote sodomy, all the time you see atheists promoting "gay rights" and such.

Christianity is better because it's true.

I doubt they're being sarcastic. Either way, they are following satan and you are to, whether you realize it or not.

Those who don't follow God are following satan and destined for hell unless they repent and accept Jesus Christ!

Atheism does not promote sodomy. I do not see atheists gathered together holding signs saying "Cornhole your neighbor".

I am an atheist. I do not promote homosexuality. Fags do not interest me as much as they do Christians. What two consenting adults choose to do in private is NONE OF MY BUSINESS. Guess what.......It is none of yours as well?

If a person were a a fag there are few other meeting places they could go that would serve them better than church. Your religion is rife with hypocrisy.

YOUR RELIGION has committed more and greater sins than the Church of Satan itself. Your religion is responsible for some of the darkest periods in human history. That is a fact. If I held ANY thiestic views at all, I would have to surmise that Christianity is a work of the devil herself and that Jesus and the apostles were satanists.

Given history it just makes more sense.

No it's not. If you don't know why you like something then logically you shouldn't like it at all.



No, it's the same thing that makes people think Hades does exist. Instead of reading the Bible, which was inspired by God (2 Timothy 3:16), people dream up their own false beliefs like Greek mythology and atheism (interestingly, both of which promote sodomy, which God's truth condemns)



What do you mean so what? These people admit to be following satan, that can't possibly be good. Any sensible person would stay far away from those people and want nothing to do with them.

Okay, Mr. Dee Dee Dee. Greek, Egyptian, Assyrian, Babylonian, Sumerian, Canaanite, Hindu, Buddhist, Taoist, and scores of other faiths existed long before Christianity. So, how is some new religion any more valid? Guess what? Your God, Jehovah, is evil. Your Christianity is EVIL. You don't even realize it because the Bible mixes virtue with wickedness and calls it "God". Jehovah is a dick. He's an angry, jealous, murderous storm jinn from the Sinai with whom Moses made what you would call a "Satanic" pact for success in battle against the Egyptians.

Before Moses, YHWH was unknown to the Habiru. Abraham was dick. So were all of the patriarchs of Judeo-Christianity through David, Solomon, and later. Until Jesus. Which is why the Jews killed him. The "God" you worship is the DEMIURGE. The Demiurge is the most malign entity in the cosmos because of its sheer ignorance. It believes it's omnipotent and primordial. YHWH teaches revenge, greed, fear, genocide, murder, rape, incest, and all the most abominable acts. Except homosexuality. The Demiurge is powerful, but NOT wise.

Your evil religion condemns the light bearer, Lucifer, for giving humanity the knowledge of good and evil. He raised us up and elevated us from animals. He gave us godly wisdom, intelligence, morals and civilization. You call him The Devil, which means accuser, because he was brave enough to challenge the Demiurge. He would not prostrate himself before Adam because he knew they were imperfect for they were designed by an imperfect being. Lucifer is the God of good - the champion of mankind against forces of Darkness. He has many names and forms, such as Re, Marduk, Baal, Horus, Assur, Shamash, Hermes, Prometheus and many more. He promises us glory and eternal life, while Jehovah condemns us for iniquity for which he is directly and wholly responsible. Jehovah is the antithesis of illumination, and he will be utterly defeated. Humanity will one day be free of his bondage. Now, personally, I don't believe atheism to be the way to "liberation" - but to each his own. Better than worship that asshole.

Some people say my love cannot be true
Please believe me my love and I'll show you
I will give you those things you thought unreal
Thus on the moon the stars all bear my seal

Follow me now and you will not regret
Leaving the life you led before we met
You are the first to have this love of mine
Forever with me till the end of time

Your love for me has just got to be real
Before you know the way Im going to feel
Now I have you with me, under my power
Our love grows stronger now with every hour
Look into my eyes, you will see who I am
My name is Lucifer, please take my hand

Follow me now and you will not regret
Leaving the life you led before we met
You are the first to have this love of mine
Forever with me till the end of time

I admire Lucifer for his bravery. I also thank Prometheus and Ra-Horus for protecting us. Athena/Ishtar/Isis are also venerable. Don't buy into the bullshit of Judaism of Christianity. They're wicked, nihilistic cults of death, sin, and even black magic.

"Digital was by no means a troll in this forum - she was actually very well-read, articulate, and believed in the things she debated on."

In the end, all of that amounted to jack squat, because she ultimately failed to prove herself different than any other idiot theist who comes in here, talking a bunch of shit.

What's so special about punk? or just rock in general?
because it seems that Christians seem to target this genre a lot.

Just recently I asked my mom why I can't go to a punk show at the local venue and she said because it's bad music. I asked her what makes it bad and she says it's "devil music". I told her I don't believe that there is a devil, but she still wont listen.

What I've been taught is that [fundamentalist] Christians don't listen to any type of secular music because it does not "bring God glory".

Both of my parents listen to some secular music so I'm really pissed, argh, and I know calling them hypocrites will only make them angry.

Because it is against Christianity. Rock idolizes sin and punk represents rebellion, both of which are denounced throughout the Bible. Obviously Christians in general would be against something that promotes a thing they are completely against.

Country should be added to the list, but its just not as popular with the non-"Christians", which is the targetted audience of Christians.

If you want my opinion on it, many, many, MANY Christian groups go about proselytization the most ass-backward way possible which only irritates the person they are talking to and is very inneffectual.

Punk sucks cock anyway, you "rebel".

She still posts on Totse some, just not in here as much as she used to.

Digital was by no means a troll in this forum - she was actually very well-read, articulate, and believed in the things she debated on.

I kinda wish she'd come back to be honest, for all that I was a dick when she used to post, she certainly made the board a lot more interesting.