It is important to regard light not as the perfect manifestation of the eternal spirit, but rather as the veil which hides that spirit.

I think the perception of a 'reality', belief in experience, veils the eternal spirit ... the 'oneness' of all, 'being'.

A Hindu would think I'm talking about maya.

I think the incessant desire to talk to yourself and interpret your situation is what truly veils the spirit.

who knows?

Yeah Rizzo, it does seem like there is always that internal dialoge, interpreting whats going on, trying to put everything into words. I think that would be ego? Whatever is the difference between internal and external reality, I mean whats going on, and how you precieve it.

Yeah Rizzo, it does seem like there is always that internal dialoge, interpreting whats going on, trying to put everything into words. I think that would be ego? Whatever is the difference between internal and external reality, I mean whats going on, and how you precieve it.

the internal dialog isn't even really you, by all rights its most likely the foreign installation known as "the flyers", or a parasite in the vein of toxoplasma gondii, or something similar. when you're able to STOP the internal dialog (which really isn't internal at all, it shapes everything around you so is thusly external as well), you see that its not really you talking. it's everyone else who has every talked to you, filling up your mind with ideas. and since everyone else is infected by the same thing...

see:

http://www.brainsturbator.com/forums/viewthread/417/

once you get it to stop though, EVERYTHING changes. I have not met a single person face to face who can do it but apparently they're all over the internet. it's almost impossible to say if they're faking it or not though.

Right.

Yeah, I would definitely agree with that Rizzo, we have all been infected with this culture, from media and word of mouth. I have really noticed as of lately, how much of that is complete bullshit, just that culture that is programmed into us from day one. I have found copious amount of LSD is pretty effective at rewiring all of the nonsense that culture has programmed into me over the years. I know I will never really be free from it, but I do my best to see things with as close to an unadulterated view as possible, though I think it is impossible to see things completely objectively as a human. But damn sometimes all that undoing can be a bit tense.

It seems like a jumped to a different subject but to clarify, I believe that internal dialogue is very much a product of culture. That self conscieneness.

The OP is one of the most original thoughts I hsave encountered here--reminds me of Herman Melville's riff on "whiteness."

Talking about veils--I'd say there are two biggies. One is the superstition of materialism, the idea that if our grossly limited senses cannot perceive something, it does not exist. Never mind that Einstein knocked the stuffing out of this one, it still persists.

The other is the ego. When we are ego-driven, we are fearful, manipulative, time-bound. When we transcend the ego and get to our source--our Essential Self, the soul, the eternal spirit--we are powerful, fearless, timeless, filled with grace and freedom.

OP-Nice pile of shit you keep sqeezing out around here. It smells a bit nutty.

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I think you should sit down and truly contemplate this elaborate and multifarious universe in which we participate, your closed mindedness is repugnant.

I think you should sit down so that you will be unable to talk out of your ass so much.

Everything you say is BAD science fiction, period.

I believe the universe as we know it is just a fart of an alien intelligence beyond our comprehension. It is only by opening up our senses to the smell of this cosmic fart that we will achieve oneness with the All father of the Great Stink. Many smells will distract you from the true nature the very essence of purity and oneness with everything the Great Stench touches. I cannot tell you what this perfect fart smells like. Only you have the power to smell it on your own.

The sound of the great fart resonates throughout our universe. The echo vibrations and energy in this sound create many dimensions beyond our perception. In the first dimension, known only as the Silent but deadly dimension, creatures recognize mortality. They cannot hear OR smell the cosmic fart.

In the second dimension the smell can be faintly perceived by only the lowliest forms of life; Viruses, Amobea, and Televangelists are the only ones who are able to smell it at this level.

Rounding into the third dimension creatures themselves fart! This is the first step in realizing the Grand Cosmic Fart that blew life (albeit a bit smelly) into the universe. The sound is distorted and is not truly heard in this dimension. The smell however, can be discerened and it is only through an open mind and low I.Q. can one begin to move into the higher dimensions.

I could keep going all the way up to the point the sound of man reaches the asshole of the Grand Farter in the 13 Dimension. It is only by riding onself of all things that interrupt the smell that one can truly be near the great asshole. The sound of the fart is immense at this level and the unprepared risk madness.

This IS fun to do. Very easy as well. Were I not talking about a FUCKING fart I may have converted more than a few of you to the Church of the Great Cosmic Fart. Welcome aboard tools. :)

Everyone in this thread is correct.

One is the superstition of materialism, the idea that if our grossly limited senses cannot perceive something, it does not exist.

When we are ego-driven, we are fearful, manipulative, time-bound. When we transcend the ego and get to our source--our Essential Self, the soul, the eternal spirit--we are powerful, fearless, timeless, filled with grace and freedom.

Nice, as usual.

see:

Thats cool.

This IS fun to do. Very easy as well. Were I not talking about a FUCKING fart I may have converted more than a few of you to the Church of the Great Cosmic Fart. Welcome aboard tools. :)

Haha, fucking hilarious.

I think the church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster may have a serious rival on it's hands.

Not if the Pink Unicorn of the 13th dimension has anything do with it!! Hail the Pink Unicorn's eternal spirit!!!

Looking at your profile Vanhalla I see you are on a quest to understand reality and that you like shrooms, weed, and sci-fi.

Let me first tell you that psych's don't reveal anything about reality. Sorry, but you won't learn the secrets of the universe when you are tripping face. You will learn what happens when your brain goes haywire.

If you want to know more about reality science is the only way to go, everything else is just shit made up by meager minds trying to understand our vastly complex reality, far more so then anyone could ever conceive on their own.

Let me first tell you that psych's don't reveal anything about reality. Sorry, but you won't learn the secrets of the universe when you are tripping face. You will learn what happens when your brain goes haywire.


You see reality through a different perspective when your brain goes haywire, words cannot describe the wisdom attained whilst tripping balls being that this experience is beyond our 3rd dimensional symbols. Any attempt would be less then a shadow of the true experience that was beheld.


If you want to know more about reality science is the only way to go, everything else is just shit made up by meager minds trying to understand our vastly complex reality, far more so then anyone could ever conceive on their own.
But this is a science, a discipline, an art; It is but another form of using symbols to describe and to understand, to share the wisdom of the cosmos. Mathematics are symbols made up by our meager minds to describe the workings of the physical universe, but there are many layers to this universe that can be difficult to perceive from this view point.

You see reality through a different perspective when your brain goes haywire, words cannot describe the wisdom attained whilst tripping balls being that this experience is beyond our 3rd dimensional symbols. Any attempt would be less then a shadow of the true experience that was beheld.



But this is a science, a discipline, an art; It is but another form of using symbols to describe and to understand, to share the wisdom of the cosmos. Mathematics are symbols made up by our meager minds to describe the workings of the physical universe, but there are many layers to this universe that can be difficult to perceive from this view point.

1.) If you think I haven't I haven't done my fair share of shrooms, acid, E pills containing who the fuck knows what, you would be wrong. If you think I haven't had life changing revelations while tripping you would be wrong. If you think I kept those revelations as glimpses into the inner working of the universe you would be wrong.
I don't care what anyone says or thinks, psychedelics don't give you any super-human perceptions. Those revelations are hallucinations, just like all those crazy colors and swirls on the walls.

2.)No, you are talking of metaphysics which has been proven bullshit time and time again. Math and Numbers aren't symbols devised to help us understand the universe, they are tools, and the only tools that there are that can explain the universe inside and out, top to bottom. Hypothetical energy planes and light dimensions can't do that, sorry.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

"hallucination" is such a misnomer

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I concur.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

Holy shit...*rubs eyes*

That's gotta be the first time I've seen that!

"hallucination" is such a misnomer

A hallucination is a perception in the absence of a stimulus that is believed to be genuine, ie. the subject experiences an imaginary stimulus as being real. A pseudohallucination is similar to an hallucination in all respects except that of absolute belief in the authenticity of the stimulus. In an illusory experience, a genuine sensation is attributed to an incorrect cause (eg. misinterpreting a coat hanging on a door to be an intruder). A delusional perception is where a genuine perception (ie. correctly sensed and interpreted) is given some additional (and typically bizarre) significance. Hallucinations may occur in any sensory modality—visual, auditory, olfactory, gustatory, tactile, proprioceptive, equilibrioceptive, nociceptive, thermoceptive.

There is nothing mystical about seeing the walls melt AFTER you take chemicals DESIGNED to overload and damage perception centers of the brain. Tripping balls can be fun, it can expand your creativity and your mind. Ultimately it is slow localized brain damage. Damage it enough and you could spend the rest of your days worshipping crystals and trying to reconnect with reality. There is NOTHING magical about taking rat posion and seeing the "face of God" in your roast beef sandwich.

There is nothing mystical about seeing the walls melt AFTER you take chemicals DESIGNED to overload and damage perception centers of the brain. Tripping balls can be fun, it can expand your creativity and your mind. Ultimately it is slow localized brain damage. Damage it enough and you could spend the rest of your days worshipping crystals and trying to reconnect with reality. There is NOTHING magical about taking rat posion and seeing the "face of God" in your roast beef sandwich.

Woah, woah , woah.

Hallucinogens are very safe drugs, namely tryptamines (shrooms, DMT) and phenethylamines (MDMA) to some extent. Any "damage" they do is short term and can be reversed.
They don't rot or damage your brain, unless taken in extreme doses regularly (any chemical taken in extreme doses regularly is gonna fuck you up.)

Now mental damage on the other hand is very real with hallucinogens, and sometimes the damage is irreversible.
The experiences can feel so real, that they just have to be so. Unfortunately people forget that their bullshit-detector is also tripping face, and their grip on reality is so loose that you could stick a triple-dildo in it. They then feel that their new gained knowledge is divine, and that they are a step above everyone else in terms of understanding with it.

In reality of course, they are just plain fucking idiots, but alas they refuse to believe it because that 30 minute 6 gram mushroom peak felt so pure and genuine.


As a side note, I have noticed a common trait among psychonuats (people who trip like they were born to do it), they speak using big complex sounding words, but their sentence structure and grammar is that of any regular person. Like they start with a basic sentence and then switch out as many words as possible for bigger, smarter sounding words. So when they speak they don't sound intelligent, they sound like the looked up each word they just said in a thesaurus before hand. Don't know if anyone else has ever noticed this, or knows what I am trying to say.

say whatever you'd like, but there is no such thing as a hallucination

or rather, "reality" is a collective hallucination

say whatever you'd like, but there is no such thing as a hallucination

or rather, "reality" is a collective hallucination

Thats what I'm talking about.

say whatever you'd like, but there is no such thing as a hallucination

or rather, "reality" is a collective hallucination

So then what the hell are all those colors and patterns I see when tripping? Who are those people walking around my room after a night full of ecstasy?