In the Word of God .. Christ says, that He's more than a prophet.
I've talked to alot of people and I've met a mass of diversity in religious background and culture. Few have said Jesus wasn't the Christ.. He wasn't the son of God.. He was a prophet. OT teach says BELIEVE MY PROPHETS! The question is how is it that people say He's a prophet, and don't believe what He said?

You know, I don't quite remember what Jesus prophesied. Maybe you could throw me a fucking bone here.

Everything in the bible should be taken with a grain of salt. It's just a heavily distorted version of Jesus' message. It's historically proven, that most of Christianity was just made up bullshit to control people.

I think that Jesus was simply hear to set us an example on how to live our lives.

Every word Christ spoke was prophecy. Every single word was the Rhema Word of God. He Himself was the Word of God man flesh and blood, to take your place.

It isn't historically proven. The Tanakh! He is a fool who says in his heart there is no God. Christ is ALL throughout history. ALL throughout history these men and women have stood in a manner to where they were willing to POUR THEIR BLOOD OUT, for the sake of the Gospel to go forth, until now. It continues to go forth! Of a TRUTH the world was not worthy of them. I remember in school being taught of Paul, Peter, and many other. This was in WORLD HISTORY.

Polycarp, the last man who lived to have any connection with one of the 12 (John), was beaten in a manner that you can't even being to imagine! It didn't kill him or keep him from praying to God and speakin God's Word! These multitude of people became indignant when he said, "Every drop of blood that hits the ground will produce another christian." They took him to the stake to burn him, and wil being burned, Polycarp was praising God. They then, took arrows and shot them in through the fire at him. Polycarp, still praising God with his hands lifted, bleed so much that it put the fire out.

Here in America, people know nothing of honour and dignity. They know nothing of faithfulness. They know nothing of God, not because they haven't opportunity, but because their God is their belly. What they want, what they desire. They worship self. Sometimes under the cloak of being 'good with God'. People have brought Christ down to their level and made Christ relative to themselves, when Christ came to bring us up to His level. In China, Indonesia, Sudan, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Russia, etc. they get a firm grip on the Word of God, and run a short sprint, impacting so many others. Their stories go unheard, but they're not forgotten.

I believe if you looked into the eyes of a christian, sold out to Christ, even while plotting to kill them, they'd look at you with the love of God and pray for you, upon seeing that, it would stain your heart, and you'd too be interested in knowing this Christ whom they were willing to be killed on account of.

You can't tell me about history. You can't come at me with garbage either. The Word of God is yesterday, today, and forever.
History's pages are marked with the blood of the saints (God's Elect).

I've seen videos of children in Sudan being burned alive, because they were christians, by radicals. CHILDREN who wouldn't deny Christ! These people fear God much more than man.

The pages of history are filled with blood stained tears.


2 Corithians 4:4 the god of this world (satan) has blinded the minds of them that don't believe.

^ I'd bet you my eternal life that God doesn't want our worship at all, and he could care less about what we do.

Those kids who are getting themselves tortured and killed are being counterproductive in building their relationship with God.

A truly benevolent God would not desire such a thing.

2 Corithians 4:4 the god of this world (satan) has blinded the minds of them that don't believe.

Once again your lack of knowledge of the bible is only matched by your lack of knowledge of history.

It is almost scary.

Someone please explain 'rex mundi' to her cos I just can't be arsed to think at the level of ameritard-trailer trash tonight.

i believe Muslims think he was a prophet, but not the prophet. and jews think he was alright, but not the savior.

Yes, muslims believe him to be a prophet, in that they believe he spoke to god, just as Adam/Eve, Abraham, and Muhammed did. In disagreement, they believe it to be blasphemous to say Jesus is divine/part of god as it goes against monotheistic doctrine. Even Muhammed did not believe himself to be divine or part of god, simply a messenger of god's word.

I sort of agree with OP though, if x believes Jesus to be a prophet and Jesus said he is the son of god and GOD SAID THIS TO HIM (not humans), then it would seem logical to believe what he said. Unfortunately this cannot be known to believers. As I've previously stated, (if Jesus was a real person and we are to believe his upbringing story) he was literally hunted down by the wise men and brought up from his very birth being told that he is the son of god. So, he didn't need some revelation to go around blabbing that he's the son of god, he'd already been brainwashed into believing as such.

Imo, whether or not Jesus existed, he still set a good philosophical example of how to be a good anarcho-socialist hippy-type. This is why I am in shock when I see the Ann Coulter types running around saying that as Christians, people should go about using up all the resources they want, eat animals and drive huge Hummers and pollute to their desire simply b/c of "man's dominion over earth." What a perverted misconstruction!

I googled "prohet defined" and got over 5,000,000 results--this was the first:

A person who speaks by divine inspiration or as the interpreter through whom the will of a god is expressed.
A person gifted with profound moral insight and exceptional powers of expression.
A predictor; a soothsayer.
The chief spokesperson of a movement or cause.

I think Jesus clearly qualifies on the first two, and maybe on number four--although he identified himself as a Jew.

Offhand, I think the closest thing he made to an actual prediction was "I come not to bring peace, but a sword"--and he pretty much hit the nail on the head with that one.

It isn't historically proven. The Tanakh! He is a fool who says in his heart there is no God. Christ is ALL throughout history. ALL throughout history these men and women have stood in a manner to where they were willing to POUR THEIR BLOOD OUT, for the sake of the Gospel to go forth, until now. It continues to go forth! Of a TRUTH the world was not worthy of them. I remember in school being taught of Paul, Peter, and many other. This was in WORLD HISTORY .

People dying b/c they believe in something is NOT any proof whatsoever that the belief if true OR well founded. Examples would include Heaven's Gate members currently riding behind the Hail-Bob comet in a spaceship or (my personal favorite) Mothers of Jim Jone's People's Temple pouring posion down the throats of there infants and toddlers. Holding them while they puke blood and there eyes bulge. Holding them while they soil themselves in the throes of death. Then drinking it themselves. By your argument HOW on earth could these mother's do this to their children if they did not TRULY believe in the power of Chris.....I mean Jim Jones.

I've seen videos of children in Sudan being burned alive, because they were christians, by radicals. CHILDREN who wouldn't deny Christ! These people fear God much more than man.

The pages of history are filled with blood stained tears.

Perhaps missionaries should stop going to Sudan and filling the minds of these children with Jewish Folklore that could endanger their lives. Christians should be ashamed that they caused the death of these children. You should NOT feel empowered by this story, or see it as a story about the power of Christ. It is a story about stupid intolerant people killing stupid intolerant people.

Besides that if 25% of the witch fires of the inquisition were on video we would have to have several museums and libraries dedicated to preserving the VAST amount of video tape evidence of the mass murders done BY Christians. In short, I am very short on sympathy for persecution OF Christians at the moment.

The pages of history are filled with blood stained tears. The majority of those tears fell from pagan eyes who were flat FUCKING MURDERED by followers of Christ.

Everything in the bible should be taken with a grain of salt. It's just a heavily distorted version of Jesus' message. It's historically proven, that most of Christianity was just made up bullshit to control people.

I think that Jesus was simply hear to set us an example on how to live our lives.

Exactly Mr. Duck! You have the right idea! Let me refer to this verse: 1st Cor. 11:1-3- Gospels: “But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is man; and the head of Christ is God.”

^Awww! Now see there, Jesus puts himself below God, not as an equal or higher, meaning Jesus was below God, but yet, he was above man, can someone tell me whats inbetween? OH! Angels! And Jesus isn't just "any old angel"- He's an Archangel.

I googled "prohet defined" and got over 5,000,000 results--this was the first:

A person who speaks by divine inspiration or as the interpreter through whom the will of a god is expressed.
A person gifted with profound moral insight and exceptional powers of expression.
A predictor; a soothsayer.
The chief spokesperson of a movement or cause.

I think Jesus clearly qualifies on the first two, and maybe on number four--although he identified himself as a Jew.

Offhand, I think the closest thing he made to an actual prediction was "I come not to bring peace, but a sword"--and he pretty much hot the nail on the head with that one.

I care to disagree with you on Jesus indentifying himself as a Jew, maybe ethnically, but not religiously. Find me where he says: I'm a Jew- He followed the Torah because it was God's word. But he defiantly did not believe in organized religion.

Exactly Mr. Duck! You have the right idea! Let me refer to this verse: 1st Cor. 11:1-3- Gospels: “But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is man; and the head of Christ is God.”

^Awww! Now see there, Jesus puts himself below God, not as an equal or higher, meaning Jesus was below God, but yet, he was above man, can someone tell me whats inbetween? OH! Angels! And Jesus isn't just "any old angel"- He's an Archangel.

He wasn't really "above" man. Every one of us has the potential to be God's equal.

Does not the bible say "ye are gods" ?

He wasn't really "above" man. Every one of us has the potential to be God's equal.

Does not the bible say "ye are gods" ?

Lol, where does it say that? It's probably just sarcasm, God seems to have alot of that, take notice of some of the things he does, he's pretty funny and makes some jokes occasionally.

My bible says.. That Christ set aside His glory.

John 5:18
Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.

Philippians 2:5-7 (Amplified Bible)
5Let this same attitude and purpose and [humble] mind be in you which was in Christ Jesus: [Let Him be your example in humility:]
6Who, although being essentially one with God and in the form of God possessing the fullness of the attributes which make God God], did not think this equality with God was a thing to be eagerly grasped or retained,
7But stripped Himself [of all privileges and rightful dignity], so as to assume the guise of a servant (slave), in that He became like men and was born a human being.

He became a man.. to show us how we ought to walk in fellowship with the Father. Christ never said He was the Father.. but DEFINATELY equal with the Father.

Custom. When a King said, "sit at my right hand" That meant that they had given their.. "right hand man" all authority. Christ is where? At the right hand of the Father. Christ said.. ALL authority has been given to ME. Man LOST that authority in the garden when man submitted itself to a new authority.. and got away from single hearted devotion to the Father... in disobedience to the Father, they obeyed Satan. He decieved them. They disobeyed, and bought a lie for the Truth. Christ IS Lord.. not will be. All authority IS His and He's given it to the Church. He came as A MAN and submitted HIMSELF to GOD'S AUTHORITY, by humbling himself, facing the same temptations you and I faced, He cast them down, and followed God and God's will for His life and humanity. God EXALTED Him on HIGH.

When I pick up a pen, to write, I become ONE with that pen. I guide it's movements, it obeys my commands. You say.. that's an object without a will. Yes, but Christ's didn't have his own agenda.. He was about the Father's business. He essentially became and was one with the Father in thought, purpose, and will. He did ONLY what the Father told Him to. The Father living in Him, the Spirit upon Him without measure, because He was a yeilded vessel, with no will of his own, because He laid it aside. He didn't have to die. He chose to follow fulfill the will of the Father for His life. He laid His life down.

I don't expect you guys to rightly divide the Word of Truth, because you see with a veil over your eyes. He didn't do it for the glory. He didn't do it for His name. He did it for the Father's glory. The Father had you and me in mind, and so did Christ. In the garden He knew what was going to befall Him, and His humanity didn't want to die, but His divinity drove Him to the cross for Love's sake.

And we make light of it?

KEEP sending missionaries to Sudan. In Sudan they burn people without or without them being christians. It's a tribal thing over there, not just christianity. GET THEM BORN AGAIN SO WHEN THEY DIE, they're not DEAD! SEND ME, I'LL GO!

The other.. You're deluded and lead astray. The Word of God was and is forever.
The world wouldn't be held together, if His Word didn't hold it together. That's the power that comes forth when God speaks.

To bibically define a prophet, it's one who speaks the Word of God.
Look this word up. RHEMA. That means the SPOKEN Word of God.
This is prophecy. Jesus spoke the Word of the Father. MUCH MUCH more than a prophet, and if He's believed to be a prophet, then you SHOULD BELIEVE WHAT HE SAID.

But you don't, because you simply don't believe.

But you don't, because you simply don't believe.

That's right, Shellz. I simply don't believe. And neither do the Sudanese.

Now - how would you feel if I led a pack of atheists and camped out in your front yard, constantly following you around to convince you of what YOU should believe? Would you find it a bit annoying, a bit intrusive, if these people came to YOUR home to tell YOU what you needed to believe in? I think you would. I think you'd accuse them of interfering with your right to believe whatever you wanted, which in your case, was Christianity.

Replace the atheists with followers of Islam. Would you appreciate a group of Muslims walking into your "camp", visitors of YOUR country, and preaching to you that your Christ isn't the way to heaven? You probably wouldn't appreciate their conversion efforts, as it would be a direct contradiction to everything you believe in.

SEND ME, I'LL GO!

What's stopping you?

It would be really easy for you to join a missionary group and go over there. But when you come back to your own country after having successfully converted a few Sudanese from Islam to Christianity, I'd like to know how you're going to sleep at night knowing that in their country, the death penalty applies to those who apostatize from Islam.

How could you live with yourself, knowing that someone is going to DIE as a direct result of joining your religion, HellzShellz?

You can kid yourself into thinking "They probably would have died anyway" - but if your conversion efforts helped push this along, aren't you ... somewhat of an accomplice to their death?

It's like indoctrinating a child, and then pushing them out into a busy street and telling them: Test God. If it is his will, you will die. If you die, it's okay, because you'd have died a Christian and will be resurrected. Child abuse!

Putting Sudanese children into harm's way by getting them to believe something that could get them killed is MINDLESS. It might make you feel better to know that you may have chalked up a few brownie points in God's favor by getting them to believe, but that's pretty damned selfish, if you ask me.

Putting Sudanese children into harm's way by getting them to believe something that could get them killed is MINDLESS. It might make you feel better to know that you may have chalked up a few brownie points in God's favor by getting them to believe, but that's pretty damned selfish, if you ask me.

Just to adress this, I'm sure Shellz can rationalise this by saying that they have been saved by the Word of God, and as such they'll go to heaven, there mortal life is insignificant compared to the immortal life they will have.

Just to adress this, I'm sure Shellz can rationalise this by saying that they have been saved by the Word of God, and as such they'll go to heaven, there mortal life is insignificant compared to the immortal life they will have.

But who is Shellz to determine the significance of life?

Lol, where does it say that? It's probably just sarcasm, God seems to have alot of that, take notice of some of the things he does, he's pretty funny and makes some jokes occasionally.

Looks like you don't even know your own religions scriptures that well.

I agree that God does have a good sense of humor, but that isn't funny.

But who is Shellz to determine the significance of life?

Technically she's not, God is, she'd be just doing what seems to be the greatest good to her and within her belief system.

Of course, we're then presented with the problem of how do we know that this is what God would like us to do.

Jesus was either a shitty carpenter or a lazy one, who had a lying whore (God got me pregnant sweety, not the stable boy) for a mother. He was either shitty or lazy b/c he quit making furniture and became a beggar.

He never owned land or worked for the communities that fed, clothed and bathed him, just to hear him speak. In short, he was as useless as a pecker on a pope.

Then he took his fraud too far, pissed on the wrong Jews leg and got himself killed, his twelve jobless friends saw their meal ticket vanish. They continued in the lying way of Christ and the whore Mary and said that Christ rose from the dead.

They wrote the sequel to the Old testement to solidify their place as beggar kings. They were executed for this deceit. Constantine decided to unify the people and made Christianity king in the year 325 A.D.

Christians rose to power thanks to the help of the VAST Roman empire. Christians murdered and tortured all non-believers for nearly a thousand years. Christianity has only survived this far b/c they buried millions and millions of voices of reason and rationality.

That is the story of Isreals worst carpenter.

Jesus was either a shitty carpenter or a lazy one, who had a lying whore (God got me pregnant sweety, not the stable boy) for a mother. He was either shitty or lazy b/c he quit making furniture and became a beggar.

He never owned land or worked for the communities that fed, clothed and bathed him, just to hear him speak. In short, he was as useless as a pecker on a pope.

Then he took his fraud too far, pissed on the wrong Jews leg and got himself killed, his twelve jobless friends saw their meal ticket vanish. They continued in the lying way of Christ and the whore Mary and said that Christ rose from the dead.

They wrote the sequel to the Old testement to solidify their place as beggar kings. They were executed for this deceit. Constantine decided to unify the people and made Christianity king in the year 325 A.D.

Christians rose to power thanks to the help of the VAST Roman empire. Christians murdered and tortured all non-believers for nearly a thousand years. Christianity has only survived this far b/c they buried millions and millions of voices of reason and rationality.

That is the story of Isreals worst carpenter.

I admit I laughed. More than a grain of truth in that lot but I should point out that it is by no means certain he was a carpenter-thats another one of those myths everyone seems to accept as true.