Alot of christians say he wasn't "John", so who exactly was he? I would like to read other things by him, because he's the only person in the bible, who actually predicted anything, that has recently (in the 70's) been proven with archeology (he actually predicted it, and what he wrote, wasn't truth when he wrote it). If you ask me, if he had other writings, there should be a whole religion based purely on what he wrote. He says something like "I am John, brother of Jesus", wich would really mean "the John" if he actually wrote that. But yeah, I want to read more stuff this guy wrote, so to anyone saying it wasn't actually John, please give some ideas of who he could have been, because wether I'm a christian or not, the guy was able to tell alot of stuff that there wasn't much of a way for him to know. So something was going on with him.

So what did he predict that was later determined true?
I think he predicted apocalypses, which certainly haven't happened since then.

Revelations 2:9

The jews we know of today (who didn't even call themselves jews back then), aren't jews. They have control of the media, control of the government, and are stealing the land of (people who have more of a right to claim to be an israelite than they do). It's been proven "jews" Ashnazi, and khazer (basically all of them) actually come from europe. And in the bible, "jew" mean "israelite". "Jews" today are obviously white. Most of them come from Hun people, who were actually a pretty strange group.

"I know your poverty, but you are rich. And I know the slander of those who say they are jews, but are not. But the synogogue of Satan."

In the 70's, that little fact was proved that I stated above. And the churches while being told this, continued to deny revelations (the only book of the bible that actually predicted something, now proven to be fact). When that was supposedly written, Jews, were still Jews, but he predicted that today, there would be false Jews who (no matter what religion you are) you should agree that what they're doing is bad.

Revelations 2:9

The jews we know of today (who didn't even call themselves jews back then), aren't jews. They have control of the media, control of the government, and are stealing the land of (people who have more of a right to claim to be an israelite than they do). It's been proven "jews" Ashnazi, and khazer (basically all of them) actually come from europe. And in the bible, "jew" mean "israelite". "Jews" today are obviously white. Most of them come from Hun people, who were actually a pretty strange group.

"I know your poverty, but you are rich. And I know the slander of those who say they are jews, but are not. But the synogogue of Satan."

In the 70's, that little fact was proved that I stated above. And the churches while being told this, continued to deny revelations (the only book of the bible that actually predicted something, now proven to be fact). When that was supposedly written, Jews, were still Jews, but he predicted that today, there would be false Jews who (no matter what religion you are) you should agree that what they're doing is bad.

It's been proven fact that jews are bad people?
Your such an idiot ace.

They're bad unless you're a a)Jew b) self hating liberal, but yeah, other than that, if you know the facts, it can be universally accepted the world would be better off without them.

Ace, what is your political affiliation? You hate liberals, but certainly are not a conservative, atleast not of the Ayn Rand type. She stated racism was the most evil of evils, because it is the worst form of Collectivism. I have friends that are jewish. Are they rich? No. Do their parents own corporations? No. Control the media? No. Do you know any jewish people Ace? You probably just read shit and make opinions off of that, like so many Totseans that talk shit about black people but only base them off their worst experiences or the media. You and your collectivist thinking. An individual is an individual, until you understand this you will not escape your bigotry.

OP, good question. Off the top of my head (and its been a longtime) its fairly certain that he wasn't John the gospel writer. Its more likely he was another famous john of the late 1st Century, a 'John Of Ephesus'....if my memory serves me right.

Ace, what is your political affiliation? You hate liberals, but certainly are not a conservative, atleast not of the Ayn Rand type. She stated racism was the most evil of evils, because it is the worst form of Collectivism. I have friends that are jewish. Are they rich? No. Do their parents own corporations? No. Control the media? No. Do you know any jewish people Ace? You probably just read shit and make opinions off of that, like so many Totseans that talk shit about black people but only base them off their worst experiences or the media. You and your collectivist thinking. An individual is an individual, until you understand this you will not escape your bigotry.

At the risk of sounding racist myself I have oft wondered WHY the U.S. GAVE Israel (THE PRIME REAL ESTATE IN THE MIDDLE EAST) to the Jews? Our countries leaders can be bought and have been bought nearly since the beginning of our country. Is it out of the goodness of the hearts of our leaders?

I believe either one of two things. The Jews have a lot of financial clout, or our leaders do it b/c they are "god's chosen people". I am more than open to discourse concerning another possibility.

At the risk of sounding racist myself I have oft wondered WHY the U.S. GAVE Israel (THE PRIME REAL ESTATE IN THE MIDDLE EAST) to the Jews? Our countries leaders can be bought and have been bought nearly since the beginning of our country. Is it out of the goodness of the hearts of our leaders?

I believe either one of two things. The Jews have a lot of financial clout, or our leaders do it b/c they are "god's chosen people". I am more than open to discourse concerning another possibility.

The US did not give Israel any real estate at all. Modern day Israel was formed by the "British Mandate For Palestine", which was granted authority by the League of Nations, of which the United States was not a member.

Regardless, why GIVE the jewish people the holy land? What did they have to offer to get THE holy land? Was the British mandate out of the kindness of their hearts?Is the support the United States given Isreal for the past fifty years b/c we are just that nice to our friends?

I am not racist toward Jewish people I think there is more to the story than most would like to swallow. "Evil jew conspiracy" I know, but still.

Whenever people talk about multiple revelations in the book of Revelation (singular), I tend to get a little more worried than usual.

So what did he predict that was later determined true?

EXACTLY...

This is called Postdiction not prediction. To postdict something you merely need to start writing down cryptic over generalized nonsense (think horoscope) then you die. Years later, people discover your writings and read into your cryptic nonsense what they want to see, and find that you predicted 1 out of 50 things you wrote down. OR if you wrote it horoscopy enough your postdictions can rise up to 2 or 3 out of 10 "predictions".

The future cannot be predicted and NEVER has been. This is just a plain 'ol boring space rock with evolved primates running the show. Magic is not real.

EXACTLY...

This is called Postdiction not prediction. To postdict something you merely need to start writing down cryptic over generalized nonsense (think horoscope) then you die. Years later, people discover your writings and read into your cryptic nonsense what they want to see, and find that you predicted 1 out of 50 things you wrote down. OR if you wrote it horoscopy enough your postdictions can rise up to 2 or 3 out of 10 "predictions".

The future cannot be predicted and NEVER has been. This is just a plain 'ol boring space rock with evolved primates running the show. Magic is not real.

I did a thread on revelations (yeah I know thats wrong, sue me) a while back.

I have not yet found a prediction in the bloody book.

Regardless, why GIVE the jewish people the holy land? What did they have to offer to get THE holy land? Was the British mandate out of the kindness of their hearts?Is the support the United States given Isreal for the past fifty years b/c we are just that nice to our friends?

I am not racist toward Jewish people I think there is more to the story than most would like to swallow. "Evil jew conspiracy" I know, but still.

I'm of the impression there was a big push from the 'wider Jewish community', coupled with a bit of 'guilt' after the genocide. Plus, there'd been a rise in militant 'Zionists' (for want of a better term- those who wanted to reestablish the state of Israel through force). I seem to remember they bombed a hotel or two or something.

I seriously doubt there's an 'evil Jew conspiracy', however.

I did a thread on revelations (yeah I know thats wrong, sue me) a while back.

I have not yet found a prediction in the bloody book.

You did not look at it bullshitty enough. It is like your horocope. I read in Carl Sagan's book "demon haunted world" that there was a scientist who advertised a Free horoscope reading in a new age type magazine. Send him your birthday and and a S.A.S.E. and he will send you a personalized horoscope. He did this for a few months and sent them all the same generic horoscope. He sent them a follow up request asking them how accurate the horoscope was. It was STAGGERING the number of people who thought him dead on.

You see what you wanna see when if comes to this crap. If you are infected with a Xtian fundamentalist meme then you will of course see the clear predictions of revelations that have already begun to come true.

I'm of the impression there was a big push from the 'wider Jewish community', coupled with a bit of 'guilt' after the genocide. Plus, there'd been a rise in militant 'Zionists' (for want of a better term- those who wanted to reestablish the state of Israel through force). I seem to remember they bombed a hotel or two or something.

I seriously doubt there's an 'evil Jew conspiracy', however.

Why back Isreal with the insane amount of aid we have given them for 50 some years?

Israel was given to Jews BEFORE the holocaust. Guilt had nothing to do with it. I do not think a couple of Hotel bombings would warrant a group of people to be given the Holy Land. It is the fucking Holy Land. TO these religious fuckers it is THE place on Earth.

No nation has been so self sacrificing and so giving to another sovereign nation as the U.S. has been with Isreal. I believe there to be mitigating factors. I don't know what they are "5 Jew bankers", or "The belief they are God's chosen", whatever I just think there is more to this shit than meets the eye.

You did not look at it bullshitty enough. It is like your horocope. I read in Carl Sagan's book "demon haunted world" that there was a scientist who advertised a Free horoscope reading in a new age type magazine. Send him your birthday and and a S.A.S.E. and he will send you a personalized horoscope. He did this for a few months and sent them all the same generic horoscope. He sent them a follow up request asking them how accurate the horoscope was. It was STAGGERING the number of people who thought him dead on.

You see what you wanna see when if comes to this crap. If you are infected with a Xtian fundamentalist meme then you will of course see the clear predictions of revelations that have already begun to come true.

LOL, reminds a bit of the 'Vicar Of Wapping' incident (where countless people 'saw' a fictious ghost).

Anyways, the book isn't crap. It just needs treating for what it is and reading the way the author intended.

Another anecdote: A theology professor once set his class the task of making predictions about the modern world based on revelations (you know, Russia is The Beast, kinda thing). One of the students stuck up his hand and asked "Do we get extra marks if they come true?".

Another anecdote: A theology professor once set his class the task of making predictions about the modern world based on revelations (you know, Russia is The Beast, kinda thing). One of the students stuck up his hand and asked "Do we get extra marks if they come true?".

LOL

So when are you leaving My God?

LOL

So when are you leaving My God?

Very soon, LC and I are still talking about a replacement.

Not that i'm replaceable of course....no one else has my humility.

I'd pay $100 to see Digital_Saviour modded for a month.

I'd pay $100 to see Digital_Saviour modded for a month.

I wouldn't pay, but it would be great to see her modded here, period.

I wouldn't say that it would be great, but it certainly wouldn't be boring.