Is there anyone here that believes in both Satan and Jehova in a traditional Judeo-Christian sense, and is also a Satanist? I only ask, because I wonder what would compel you to follow a religion that condemns you to hell? (Please Note, I'm not saying non-Christians or Non-Abrahamics go to hell, I'm saying people that worship Satan, go to hell, according to their own beliefs.) I'm also not here to bash or flame you, I'm simply curious.

They believe that they enjoy this life, then are rewarded in hell; Or something like that.







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I am and basically I believe that yeah most people are tortured in hell but of course they are because they always said anti Satan stuff or didn't believe but people who do follow him wouldn't why would he torture his followers.

Satan doesn't control hell. Its a place where God will put him and his Demons.


Look it up, God said it for himself.

I'm not entirely sure, and I'm sure I've posted this answer already, but here it is.

Roughly, God is infinitley forgiving, Satan will give you shit loads of crap if you worship him, so You worship Satan on earth, get some awesome shit, and eventually you go to heaven 'cause God's a pushover.

That's kinda at least one view of Satanism. However, I'm sure most of the time it's just that Satan is liable to give some awesome crap to you. People like that.

... 'cause God's a pushover...

Yes, the being that created the universe and caused The Great Flood to eliminate a wicked populous is a pushover.

The view of Satanism tries to appeal to your common sense and your gut feeling in order to justify sins.

Sad if you ask me..

Satanists don't worship satan..

Satanists don't worship satan..

Theistic Satanists worship Satan.

Theistic Satanists worship Satan.

lul pwn.


yeah, from what i hear. Theistic Satanists are all about individuality and independence and reject dependence on God's offer of salvation. They glorify Satan for his independence and view God as immoral for not wanting humans to have independence.

So i guess that means satanists don't believe God is in charge of the parameters of morality.

If I were intellectually bankrupt enough to believe in the Christian mythos, I'd sooner worship Satan than God. He's obviously winning.

If I were intellectually bankrupt enough to believe in the Christian mythos, I'd sooner worship Satan than God. He's obviously winning.

But you don't believe in God, so you're pretty much damned to hell either way huh?

That's a double whammy, you'll probably get like the basement of hell for that one...

...no but seriously you're fucked.

But you don't believe in God, so you're pretty much damned to hell either way huh?

That's a double whammy, you'll probably get like the basement of hell for that one...

...no but seriously you're fucked.

Wow... Never thought of it like that.

But you don't believe in God, so you're pretty much damned to hell either way huh?

That's a double whammy, you'll probably get like the basement of hell for that one...

...no but seriously you're fucked.

That's if the emotional crutch they call an afterlife exists. Which it probably doesn't.

Satanism actually is smarter than christianity (and almost any other religion other than judaism). Like I've said before, if there is an all-knowing perfect god, nothing would happen in the universe that he was against happening. But then again, there is no reason for him to be "testing" us for anything meaning there is no real reason for us to be here, but thats another issue.

So, once again, your instincts aren't evil. Because god gave them to you. Do you think God wants you to put faith in some BS rules another man wrote, over the instincts he put in your brain?

Satanism for the most part tells you to obey that, but judaism is even more smart, because it tells you to screw over anyone who isn't like you (your own kind) and take care of your own. That is the idea that all animals have, but humans are too stupid to realize, or just stupid enough to let jews trick them.

... to screw over anyone who isn't like you (your own kind) and take care of your own. That is the idea that all animals have, but humans are too stupid to realize, or just stupid enough to let jews trick them.

Animals screw each other over all the time. Read the Selfish Gene. Dawkins explains how apparent altruism is actually looking out for number one.

Yeah, I'm a Theistic Satanist but not in the Judeo-Christian sense...actually I'd be surprised if you found ANYONE that is "human sacrifice, worship evil, want your soul" Satanist that is not crazy.

Anyway, on to your point...if you read the Bible it actually doesn't say much (if anything) about Hell being a pit of fire where you burn for all eternity, if I recall correctly there is only one passage where it describes Hell as that and even then it's only a vague description.

In all other passages mentioning Hell it merely says it was a place made for Satan to spend all eternity. So by worshiping Satan (in my opinion the better of the two, more intelligent, moral and less of an arsehole) I go to Hell and spend all of eternity with Satan. But even going by the "burn in hell and in eternal suffering" thing, I'd still rather do that and make my own decisions here on Earth than spend all of eternity with Jehovah.


BUT that is only going by the fact that you assume the Bible is correct...I'd like to go more into all this but this post is too long already

EDIT: Just another point, Satanic beliefs are fucking complicated because Satanism heavily endorses individuality so all Satanists will have very different opinions

yeah lol, according to christians, god is what makes you suffer on earth, not the devil, if the devil controlled earth, that would mean we were in hell. Otherwise, it's god who puts you through pain. I think I'd rather be with the devil with that info to go on.

Er...no actually, again if you go by the bible Satan is ruler of the Earth, not Jehovah...when I could be bothered I'll find the passage for you.

But it is not Jehovah OR Satan that makes us suffer, we do it to ourselves...if you mean physical pain then that is a result of nerves which is a result of evolution, nothing to do with Jehovah or Satan.

Oh and hell is just the place where Satan resides, he doesn't live on Earth even though he rules it.

Hell is a codeword for the sacral chakra which heats up the body and gets it going. (sterotype flames,heat)Heaven is a codeword for the crown chakra which means weve reached spiritual godhead spiritual perfection that of the gods.When we die we go to "DUAT" a planet nearby and you can call it heaven or hell whatever you prefer.

When we die we go to "DUAT" a planet nearby and you can call it heaven or hell whatever you prefer.

Even theists can make fun of you for being bat shit crazy!!!

Ah, looks like we have a JoSer in our midst :D

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duat

Yes, I do know what Duat is, but it's the fact he said 'Hell' is a codeword for the sacral chakra AND believes Duat is the place where we go when we die.

Satan doesn't control hell. Its a place where God will put him and his Demons.


Look it up, God said it for himself.

This is just my interpretation, but I'm guessing Theistic Satanism would mean that you'd have to believe something akin to the idea that God is actually the "bad guy" and Satan just got a bad rap, with no one getting the "true story". So, you'd believe that Satan has just as much right to be "God" as God does, but God got pissed when Satan tried to usurp him (or make everyone equal or whatever) and therefore damned Satan and anyone else who wouldn't follow him to eternal hellfire.

Myself, I believe Hell is actually a giant rock concert next door to heaven.

Hell is a codeword for the sacral chakra which heats up the body and gets it going. (sterotype flames,heat)Heaven is a codeword for the crown chakra which means weve reached spiritual godhead spiritual perfection that of the gods.When we die we go to "DUAT" a planet nearby and you can call it heaven or hell whatever you prefer.

from now on im ignoreing your posts because you believe a crazy pedo's Idea that satan is an alien and your gonna live with the martians when you die:D


im a satanist (kinda) but mostly a Chaote
i dont believe in satan as a god but as an idea or lifestyle

www.joyofsatan.com

I just checked out this site. Apparently this particular group believe satan is humankind's orginal creator god and Jehovah and Christ are lies made up for social control of humanity. I believe this last part 100%.

www.joyofsatan.com

I just checked out this site. Apparently this particular group believe satan is humankind's orginal creator god and Jehovah and Christ are lies made up for social control of humanity. I believe this last part 100%.


thats what i thought at first but after a few weeks i noticed that the head of there organization is Living off of "donations" from her members and that most of their ideaology is copy and pasted from other web sources

and i also believe god and jesus are just made up as a scam for money... but so is this site

How would you acutally believe in him as just a force.How the fuck do you pray to a "force???"What are you prayin to the wind???Maxine has gotten a lot of bashin but trust me she was doing very well before the jos even existed.Mostly retarded christian holy rollers or jewhova's witness'.And with all the proof,documentaries,videos,pictures,leaked gov't files:If you do believe there is no other life out there you need to open up your fuckin eyes!And all the shit you read about Maxine is all bullshit!

How would you acutally believe in him as just a force.

I dont pray to satan or anyone
but i still think praying to a "force" is better then praying to an alien


and i never said i didnt believe in aliens just i dont believe what Maxine says about satan being an alien and that jews are reptiles

P.s. E.T. Phone Home :D

If gods come from different worlds let alone planets I guess that they could be referred to as extraterrestrial.

your right they would be reffered to as extraterestrials but so is space dust, meteors, and michael jackson.

but what I think is that if any gods exist we created them and they exist only as "energy" and though possibly sentient they are not living breathing creatures, nor do they play any hugely significant part in our lives unless used appropriately.

my biggest beef with the jos is that it is almost exactly like christianity the way they force their beliefs on others, and all the members swallow whatever maxine says before they actually think about it

If gods come from different worlds let alone planets I guess that they could be referred to as extraterrestrial.

Your use of the world I take to mean another dimension as you mention planets as a seperate thing from worlds.

Extradimensional would be more appropriate.

There are no secret government files about aliens. There is no other life out there that we have detected. The U.S. government CANNOT subdue that level of information. They certainly could not get the rest of the world involved in keeping quite about it, as we cannot get even remote cooperation from the world on much smaller and less serious matters. Simply not feasible.

Area 51 has ALWAYS been a testing ground for secret aircraft. The Roswell story is akin to the tourist attraction that towns in and about Loch Ness became after they started the nessie rumor.

The government gets involved with U.F.O sightings for one reason only...to protect America from foriegn (not interplanetary) spyplanes and the like.

Carl Sagan notes that reports of demonic possession began to decrease as reports of alien abductions began to increase. He attributes this to the fledgling astronomy in the time of the early 1900's, which lead to increase in media portrayal of science fiction.

In short, early film and better printing methods led to more affordable entertainment, than the previous entertainment (the bible). Weak minded individuals began telling tales similiar in many ways to demonic possession about alien abductions.

As far as we honestly know...we are alone. Not very comforting I know, but the truth rarely is.

If you dont believe in other life out there in this day and age all I gotta say is shut the fuck up and dont speak.JFK got killed cuz he was going to release this information.Are you fucking kidding me?

If you dont believe in other life out there in this day and age all I gotta say is shut the fuck up and dont speak.JFK got killed cuz he was going to release this information.Are you fucking kidding me?

yet again no one is denying the existence of aliens just that there is no giant conspiracy.
and back up your statement about jfk with ONE fact please

and it seems no matter were on the web i am i always encounter a joser trying to convert people it's strange and annoying

I aint tryin to do shit I'm talkin.Your one fact is majestic twelve.And please dont try to tell me they dont exist.

Your use of the world I take to mean another dimension as you mention planets as a seperate thing from worlds.

Extradimensional would be more appropriate.

There are no secret government files about aliens. There is no other life out there that we have detected. The U.S. government CANNOT subdue that level of information. They certainly could not get the rest of the world involved in keeping quite about it, as we cannot get even remote cooperation from the world on much smaller and less serious matters. Simply not feasible.

Area 51 has ALWAYS been a testing ground for secret aircraft. The Roswell story is akin to the tourist attraction that towns in and about Loch Ness became after they started the nessie rumor.

The government gets involved with U.F.O sightings for one reason only...to protect America from foriegn (not interplanetary) spyplanes and the like.

Carl Sagan notes that reports of demonic possession began to decrease as reports of alien abductions began to increase. He attributes this to the fledgling astronomy in the time of the early 1900's, which lead to increase in media portrayal of science fiction.

In short, early film and better printing methods led to more affordable entertainment, than the previous entertainment (the bible). Weak minded individuals began telling tales similiar in many ways to demonic possession about alien abductions.

As far as we honestly know...we are alone. Not very comforting I know, but the truth rarely is.

"Secret" aircraft you say? Well whats secret in your opinion? Not aircraft that were going to use in warfare,aircraft for something else.

I aint tryin to do shit I'm talkin.Your one fact is majestic twelve.And please dont try to tell me they dont exist.

what the fuck s the majestic twelve?

and yes you have been trying to convert people
http://http://www.totse.com/community/showthread.php?t=2079518


For the 3rd time NO ONE HAS DENIED THE EXISTENCE OF ALIENS i am just saying that there are no elaborate conspiracies hiding them.

and yes the government does have "secret" aircraft what is your problem with that

Well I cant see whatever link u posted cuz the piece of shit doesnt work.Ive never asked anybody to convert or anything to that extent.I just always throw in my own input about religion in certain threads.Talking about your religion and throwing up links to bullshit is far from trying to convert people bud.I cant change somebodys whole mindframe with a couple of sentences so what the fuck are you talking about.I might have bragged and made sarcastic remarks,thats about it.Even saying bow to satan, I'm not trying to convert people I'm speaking my thoughts.

The area 51 thing was over the guy that doesnt believe in aliens but believes we test secret aircraft in area 51.If they dont come from "elsewhere" why would they be hiding the aircraft and making it so secret?How can you believe in one and not the other?And its not secret combat aircraft or shit like that cuz we know all of our top secret fighters.

For the 3rd TIME I wasnt talking about aliens I was talking about majestic 12 fuckstick!
This is my last reply cuz this is bullshit and a waste of time.

I aint tryin to do shit I'm talkin.Your one fact is majestic twelve.And please dont try to tell me they dont exist.

Lol, Deus Ex.