when i am on drugs or have been on drugs recently(mostly marijuana but some other shit now and then), i have a tendency toward disbelief in any higher being or shit like that, but when i haven't smoked for awhile or done any other illicit substance, my tendencies change to admitting the possibility of the existence of Jehovah. its like drugs completely alter my mind!!!(haha that was a joke) but yeah its like when i'm off drugs i have feelings and actually bother with shit, when i'm high or have been sometime in the last, i dont know, day or two though, i just don't care about anything. i know drugs alter your mind and all that shit, but it just seems weird that they should sway my opinions about shit back and forth when i'm off and on them. doesn't it? i don't know. all i know is that, from looking at what i've been typing, which is basically just my thoughts typed out, i use the word "shit" an awful lot.

fuck. i forget what the point of this was.

oh yeah, thats right.

you're fucking dumb.

you're fucking dumb.

it's entirely possible. i'm not worried, since i'm stuck with what i got no matter what.

We don't need one. God even said it himself.

Ahh, I was expecting this to get moved to HB :).

MG isn't your blog. HB, however, is.

edit: :mad:

when i haven't smoked for awhile or done any other illicit substance, my tendencies change to admitting the possibility of the existence of Jehovah.

That's kind of odd, you usually hear of it happening the other way around. How many I-Found-God-Through-Peyote stories have you heard recanted over time?

A moderate would probably tell you that drugs cloud the vision from being able to recognize Jehovah.

A fundamentalist would probably tell you that drugs are the devil's doing.

An agnostic would probably encourage you to procrastinate forming an opinion either way.

That's kind of odd, you usually hear of it happening the other way around. How many I-Found-God-Through-Peyote stories have you heard recanted over time?

A moderate would probably tell you that drugs cloud the vision from being able to recognize Jehovah.

A fundamentalist would probably tell you that drugs are the devil's doing.

An agnostic would probably encourage you to procrastinate forming an opinion either way.

Um...what?

I believe in Joe Pesci. There's proof that he's real, and he's the kind of guy that can get shit done. Your neighbor's giving you problems? Get Joe Pesci over there, he'll straighten that cocksucker out in no time.

i tend not to believe in god. i cant be sure obviously, but the thought of some higher being, that is completely separate from all other living things (ie you are not part of it), and will always be the most powerful being in existence, especially one that in any way "governs" reality, just seems kind of silly to me.

maybe there is a god which all consciousness came from, and it does certain things to "maintain" existence. but one thing i am sure about, if a god does exist, it doesnt punish anyone.

There is obviously no God.

There is obviously no God.

why is that?

dont tell me it is because there is suffering and unhappiness.. if that is your reason, you fail at deep thought.

Because gods are self-contradictory constructs without evidence to prove that they exist.

I am 27 years old.

When I was 15-20 I experimented heavily with drugs. I had many crazy notions about the world at this time. Crazy notions about everything, including God.

When you get off of your drugs and stay off for a period of a couple years or more your mind will right itself, provided you have not passed the point of no return. You will feel foolish for the concepts and bullshit you thought while you were having fun with drugs.

Drugs fuck up your thought process plain and simple. Those on here who use drugs and talk about their thoughts of God are usually about as lame as you can get. Getting stoned and trying to really think about things is a waste of time. For a fun experiment.......smoke 4 or 5 grams of weed and then try to do your easiest math homework. Your brain will nearly be unable to fire off the neurons neccessary to do the work.

Because gods are self-contradictory constructs without evidence to prove that they exist.

too vague.. please treat me like a moron and explain in over-simplified, and completely un-vague terms.

too vague.. please treat me like a moron and explain in over-simplified, and completely un-vague terms.

Pretty much any evidence you can give that supports the idea of a God(s) is easily disproven, and there's really no reason to believe in something without evidence.

Maybe I'm a loaner, but I believe in God..

Pretty much any evidence you can give that supports the idea of a God(s) is easily disproven, and there's really no reason to believe in something without evidence.

That about sums it up. Lots of people like to ascribe other attributes to gods like being "all loving", while failing to recognize that such a creature would not allow a world like ours to exist.

Really though, the whole lack of evidence for the claim is what shoots it down. It's a pretty rediculous concept in and of itself as well; it can make for interesting fiction but in reality gods just don't work.

I do, if you couldn't guess. This forum is somewhat flooded by Empiricists, though they may be distressed to know that early empiricists acknowledged that Empirical theory is essentially flawed and cant be counted upon for a perfect understanding of the world. If you couldn't guess, I am of the opposing school of thought, Rationalism. On essential logical necessities I believe in the existence of G-d, though these cannot be used to substantiate any particualr religious views of G-d, I do believe certain logical concepts can be presented to develop a concept of an eternal being.

Maybe I'm a loaner, but I believe in God..

I may be a banker, but I sure can read a good holy book.

- ijsmlb :(

I do, if you couldn't guess. This forum is somewhat flooded by Empiricists, though they may be distressed to know that early empiricists acknowledged that Empirical theory is essentially flawed and cant be counted upon for a perfect understanding of the world. If you couldn't guess, I am of the opposing school of thought, Rationalism. On essential logical necessities I believe in the existence of G-d, though these cannot be used to substantiate any particualr religious views of G-d, I do believe certain logical concepts can be presented to develop a concept of an eternal being.

By all means open a thread and share you logical concepts that develop a concept of an eternal being.

See, a long time ago, people had no clue in fuck what was going on. They saw everything around them and were dumbfounded.

So they thought, "well, we can make houses, and fire, and other things. Maybe someone else made these things."

But gradually, humanity learned. We learned that we didn't stay on the ground because of magic, we stayed because objects attract. We learned that hot things rise. We learned all of the things needed for an atomic bomb and beyond that.

Then, humanity looked at the same things it thought were amazing, and suddenly they weren't so amazing anymore. Why was fire hot? Because the friction had imparted enough energy to convert the stored energy in the wood to heat. Why was the sky blue? Because the air particles that they didn't know existed before happened to refract JUST that shade of light. Why did smoke rise? Because excited molecules are less dense.

Nobody created it for it to work. It just did, because that's the only way for humanity to exist, if things just work the way they do. Any other way, and everything falls apart.

At the same time, humanity learned that they weren't the center of anything. They were a backwater in a backwater in a backwater, and vast, endless reaches stretched all around them.

They used to think that they were made special, because, hey, who doesn't, but really, they weren't. They just were.

Any belief in god is irrational. Its the same as thinking a teapot could exist in orbit between Io and Jupiter, and saying "well you can't disprove it..." and expecting it to be true.

The concept of god was created to control. The church and state exist in a symbiotic relationship.

God does not exist, and religion is a lie.

^ What do you think of the eastern concept of God?

By all means open a thread and share you logical concepts that develop a concept of an eternal being.

I am not going to pretend for a minute that I can prove anything, as I imagine noone here will try to "prove" Gd's existence or non-existence, I can only put forward what I believe to be support for Gd's existence.

I am not going to pretend for a minute that I can prove anything, as I imagine noone here will try to "prove" Gd's existence or non-existence, I can only put forward what I believe to be support for Gd's existence.

Well let's hear it.

I do believe in some kind of god, or weird force that somehow created us. I'm just completely confused on how and what.

Well let's hear it.

Alrighty, here or another thread?

I am sure none of it will be anything extraordinarilly surprising or original, simple things like the majority of Aquinas's "proofs" for the existence of Gd.

Movement, Causation, Degrees, and Contingency primarily. Proof from intelligent design does have some merit in my mind, but I apply it to the logical systems which govern the universe as opposed to the physical universe.

I can discuss it more; however, I would like to know if the OP wants me to do it here and risk hijacking his thread or move to another thread and let him keep his. His call.

i tend not to believe in god. i cant be sure obviously, but the thought of some higher being, that is completely separate from all other living things (ie you are not part of it), and will always be the most powerful being in existence, especially one that in any way "governs" reality, just seems kind of silly to me.

maybe there is a god which all consciousness came from, and it does certain things to "maintain" existence. but one thing i am sure about, if a god does exist, it doesnt punish anyone.

You are getting there. See, the god you don't believe in is nothing lke the God I know.

God is not separate from reality--God IS reality.

You are getting there. See, the god you don't believe in is nothing lke the God I know.

God is not separate from reality--God IS reality.

Yea everybody is badmouthing God these days, but they think the concept of God is universal in all religions and a beliefs.

Now that is real ignorance.

You are getting there. See, the god you don't believe in is nothing lke the God I know.

God is not separate from reality--God IS reality.

Could you please speak clearly about your God for once? What is s/he/it? And how can you be sure that it's real, that's it's not just a feeling.

And don't just say that you're sure because you can 'feel' it.

Some people are also 100% sure that they are the chosen one, that the government is spying on them and that the sun is actually blue.

Could you please speak clearly about your God for once? What is s/he/it? And how can you be sure that it's real, that's it's not just a feeling.

And don't just say that you're sure because you can 'feel' it.

Some people are also 100% sure that they are the chosen one, that the government is spying on them and that the sun is actually blue.

Some people are 100% sure that empiricism proves everything.

We learned that we didn't stay on the ground because of magic, we stayed because objects attract.

Still sounds pretty magical to me.

If someone makes a thread concerning Aquinas' proofs, I will copy and paste a short section out of Richard Dawkin's book: The God Delusion that directly addresses these proofs.