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Punk_Rocker_22
2007-12-05, 07:07
Religiously speaking, if you pay someone to kill you, is that still suicide?

i poop in your cereal
2007-12-05, 09:17
I guess it depends on your religion.

Punk_Rocker_22
2007-12-05, 09:25
I guess it depends on your religion.

I'm asking about christianity

naive_wisdom
2007-12-05, 09:55
Err, simply, in terms of Catholicism, yes.

"Suicide is the act of one who causes his own death, either by positively destroying his own life, as by inflicting on himself a mortal wound or injury, or by omitting to do what is necessary to escape death..."

But however the concept of positive and indirect/direct suicide is a bit more confusing. This is quoted from Catholic Encyclopaedia (New York, 1912)...


Positive and Direct Suicide

Positive and direct suicide perpetrated without God's consent always constitutes a grave injustice towards Him. To destroy a thing is to dispose of it as an absolute master and to act as one having full and independent dominion over it; but man does not possess this full and independent dominion over his life, since to be an owner one must be superior to his property. God has reserved to himself direct dominion over life; He is the owner of its substance and He has given man only the serviceable dominion, the right of use, with the charge of protecting and preserving the substance, that is, life itself. Consequently suicide is an attempt against the dominion and right of ownership of the Creator. To this injustice is added a serious offence against the charity which man owes to himself, since by his act he deprives himself of the greatest good in his possession and the possibility of attaining his final end. Moreover, the sin may be aggravated by circumstances, such as failure in conjugal, paternal, or filial piety, failure in justice or charity, if by taking his life one eludes existing obligations of justice or acts of charity, which he could and should perform. That suicide is unlawful is the teaching of Holy Scripture and of the Church, which condemns the act as a most atrocious crime and, in hatred of the sin and to arouse the horror of its children, denies the suicide Christian burial. Moreover, suicide is directly opposed to the most powerful and invincible tendency of every creature and especially of man, the preservation of life. Finally, for a sane man deliberately to take his own life, he must, as a general rule, first have annihilated in himself all that he possessed of spiritual life, since suicide is in absolute contradiction to everything that the Christian religion teaches us as to the end and object of life and, except in cases of insanity, is usually the natural termination of a life of disorder, weakness, and cowardice.

The reason we have advanced to prove the malice of a suicide, namely, God's right and dominion, likewise justifies the modification of the general principle: God being the master of our life He may with His own consent remove from suicide whatever constitutes its disorder. Thus do some authorities justify the conduct of certain saints, who, impelled by the desire of martyrdom and especially to protect their chastity did not wait for their executioners to put them to death, but sought it in one manner or other themselves; nevertheless, the Divine will should be certain and clearly manifested in each particular case.

The question is asked: Can one who is condemned to death kill himself if ordered to do so by the judge? Some authors answer this question in the affirmative, basing their argument on the right which society possesses to punish certain malefactors with death and to commission any executioner, hence also the malefactor himself, to carry out the sentence. We share the most widely accepted opinion, that this practice, prevalent in certain countries of the East, is not lawful. Vindictive justice -- and for that matter all justice -- requires a distinction between the subject of a right and that of a duty, hence in the present case between the one who punishes and the one who is punished. Finally, the same principle which forbids anyone to personally compass his own death also forbids him to advise, direct, or command, with the direct intention of suicide, that another should slay him.

Positive and Indirect Suicide

Positive but indirect suicide committed without Divine consent is also unlawful unless, everything considered, there is sufficient reason for doing what will cause death to follow. Thus, it is not a sin, but an act of exalted virtue, to go into savage lands to preach the Gospel, or to the bedside of the plague stricken, to minister to them, although they who do so have before them the prospect of inevitable and speedy death; nor is it a sin for workmen in the discharge of duties to climb on roofs and buildings, thus exposing themselves to danger of death, etc. All this is lawful precisely because the act itself is good and upright, for in theory the persons in question have not in view either as end or means the evil result, that is, death, that will follow, and, moreover, if there be an evil result it is largely compensated for by the good and useful result which they seek. On the other hand there is sin in exposing oneself to danger of death to display courage, to win a wager, etc., because in all these cases the end does not in any way compensate for the danger of death that is run. To judge whether or not there is sufficient reason for an act which will apparently be followed by death, all the circumstances must be weighed, namely, the importance of the good result, the greater or less certainty of its being attained, the greater or less danger of death, etc., all questions which may in a specific case be very difficult to solve.


I don't know about other denominations, but it seems there can be an acceptability of suicide within the Catholic faith, as long as it conforms to their doctrine.

---Beany---
2007-12-05, 10:59
I say Yes.
It's still your choice to end your life and taking the necessary actions to make it happen.

ArmsMerchant
2007-12-05, 19:16
Forget organized religion for a moment, and think logically.

Most theists agree that our life and free will are gifts from God. Gifts, not some sort of loan with strings attached. And like any other gift, what we choose to do with that gift is up to us. If--for whatever reason and by whatever means--we choose to end our current earthly existence, we are still not ending our life--only making a transition, since life is eternal.

The whole Catholic quote is a wonderful example of how the priesthood uses religion as a means of maintaining power and fomenting fear among the flock.

Or as a friend of mine once put it "organized religion is crowd control."

naive_wisdom
2007-12-05, 19:49
Most theists agree that our life and free will are gifts from God. Gifts, not some sort of loan with strings attached. And like any other gift, what we choose to do with that gift is up to us. If--for whatever reason and by whatever means--we choose to end our current earthly existence, we are still not ending our life--only making a transition, since life is eternal.

Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own, you were bought at a price. Therefore honour God with your body. (1 Corinthians 6:19-20) Standard Christian argument against your 'own' body and suicide.


And surely your blood of your lives will I require; at the hand of every beast will I require it, and at the hand of man; at the hand of every man's brother will I require the life of man. (Genesis 9:5) - Seen by Jews as law against suicide.

O you who believe! Do not consume your wealth in the wrong way-rather through trade mutually agreed to, and do not kill yourselves. Surely God is Merciful toward you. (Koran, 4:29) - prophetically taken to be against suicide.


Furthermore, all the three big religions forbid murder (I know there are 'special cases'), and even orders to kill murderers. One suspects that if someone killed themselves (murder), then as humans couldn't kill them, God, Allah, or Yhwh would then exact punishment.


And with regards to 'life is eternal', can you elaborate?

Anirak
2007-12-05, 20:13
You are not your own, you were bought at a price. Therefore honour God with your body. (1 Corinthians 6:19-20)

Slave morality at it's best. Despicable.

naive_wisdom
2007-12-05, 20:35
Slave morality at it's best. Despicable.

I didn't make the rules, and I sure as Hell (pun intended) don't follow them.

Xerxes35
2007-12-06, 00:03
Religiously speaking, if you pay someone to kill you, is that still suicide?

LOL dumbfuck. Just kill yourself you religious nutball.

boozehound420
2007-12-06, 00:28
Forget organized religion for a moment, and think logically.

Most theists agree that our life and free will are gifts from God. Gifts, not some sort of loan with strings attached. And like any other gift, what we choose to do with that gift is up to us. If--for whatever reason and by whatever means--we choose to end our current earthly existence, we are still not ending our life--only making a transition, since life is eternal.

The whole Catholic quote is a wonderful example of how the priesthood uses religion as a means of maintaining power and fomenting fear among the flock.

Or as a friend of mine once put it "organized religion is crowd control."

Yes but Christians also believe this life to be a test to see if your worthy of entering heaven with god, jesus the whole flock. By committing suicide you are cutting your test short to attempt to reach heaven.

Heaven is obviously meant to be a far better place then life here on earth. So in order to stop people from killing themselves to reach this imaginary thing. The people writing the bible decided to make suicide a one way trip to hell. Thus keeping there flock of slaves in check.

AngryFemme
2007-12-06, 02:10
The people writing the bible decided to make suicide a one way trip to hell. Thus keeping there flock of slaves in check.

This is what seems most likely.

Propagation being key to keeping it alive, having their worshippers dropping like flies wouldn't benefit the church much.

Punk_Rocker_22
2007-12-06, 02:33
LOL dumbfuck. Just kill yourself you religious nutball.

I'm an atheist. I was just watching Battlestar Galactica and the cylon asked someone to kill her because she wanted to die, but suicide is a sin. Just something that popped into my head is all.

naive_wisdom
2007-12-06, 09:19
The people writing the bible decided to make suicide a one way trip to hell. Thus keeping there flock of slaves in check.

Can't remember exactly where it says, but I know that in the Middle Ages the Church said people could go to heaven from hell or purgatory if they truly repented. So it isn't (or maybe rather, wasn't) a one-way trip.

HellzShellz
2007-12-08, 21:56
If you hire a hitman to kill someone else do you not also get charges pressed against you?

Yeah, it is suicide. Murder/suicide.

Naive and boozehound420.. No.

Boozehound. Would God send you to hell for cancer? That's a physical sickness, right? He wouldn't no more send someone to hell for suicide than for cancer. One's a mental sickness the other is a physical sickness, both coming from one source.. the Enemy. Satan, Lucifer. Which ever you want to hear.

People kill themselves because of the lies that the enemy whispers in their ears. For some reason, they draw the conclusion that life would be better off without them living it. Why? The ENEMY entraps people by circumstances and whispers deceptions. AND, we listen to him, rather than God.

The Roman Catholic church taught this crap. It is just that, crap. If you're going to come out and say something that isn't supported by scripture, then don't say it. It's religious doctrine.
Naive. Again the Catholic church taught this. You can't BUY your way out of hell. Once you're there, you're there. The only way out of hell, is through the Way, the Truth and the Life, that Life is the Light of men, and that Light is Jesus the Christ.

Ever read or hear of Lazarus? The poor man who died and went to Abraham's Bosom? His master died and went to hell, and he was a rich man. Abraham's Bosom was a level of hell, for the righteous to go, in wait of the messiah. Which when he rose from the dead, the people in Abraham's bosom came out too. There were 'dead' people walking in the streets. Point is this. The rich man said to Abraham, "Send Lazarus over here to quench my thirst, for I am in anguish in this flame." This man knew he couldn't get out, I'm sure he tried. Abraham said, "There's a gulf between us, he can't come over there you can't come over here." Obviously judgement had been set and sealed. Righteous and the unrighteous separated. Then the rich man said, "Then send Lazarus back to warn my family." (Obviously I'm paraphrasing.) Abraham said, "They have Moses and the Prophets let them hear and listen to them." He said, "No, but if one RISE FROM THE DEAD, they will repent." Abraham said, "If they do not HEAR and LISTEN to Moses and the Prophets, NEITHER will they be PERSUADED and CONVINCED and BELIEVE even if SOMEONE should rise from the dead." Why? Because Moses and the prophets foretold of this of the Messiah. Jesus, the Christ, who did rise from the dead. Not only did He rise from the dead, He went back for 40 days to teach the disciples of the Kingdom of God. Once Judgement is set, it's set! It's FINAL. There is no hope for those in hell, after they've been judged and sentenced there. BUT If they REPENT AND BELIEVE, they'll be declared righteous because of Christ's righteousness.

I know of christians who've killed themselves. I have had some in my family. I've had people in my family die of diseases as well, BORN AGAIN BELIEVERS in Jesus Christ. Children die of cancer. Physical diseases, and to think or fathom them to be in hell, would be crazy. What about the 10 year old boy that killed himself with a gun? Or the 11 year old girl who decided life wasn't worth living? WHO told her this CRAP? The ENEMY, because he's very REAL. Their lives didn't even begin, and as you sit here and make jokes, look for hope and deny hope it's chance to save you, people are DYING and going to hell. You, yourself might be decieved. You think it's YOU? No. It's a LIE. You don't know who you are until you know who made you. Even after 'knowing' who made you, you don't know who you are until you know the fullness of the salvation He's provided and the purpose he's placed on your life. Your life is IS IS IS in HIM. In fact, apart from Him you'll never know or have life. Living, dead men. I've rather be a dead living man.

HellzShellz
2007-12-08, 22:17
Yes but Christians also believe this life to be a test to see if your worthy of entering heaven with god, jesus the whole flock. By committing suicide you are cutting your test short to attempt to reach heaven.

Heaven is obviously meant to be a far better place then life here on earth. So in order to stop people from killing themselves to reach this imaginary thing. The people writing the bible decided to make suicide a one way trip to hell. Thus keeping there flock of slaves in check.

Boozehound, I see you believe in God, but I'm going to be bold and sincere. Demons believe in God and tremble at the mention of His name.

Christians don't believe this LIFE to be a 'test'.. religious people do. That's because most of them don't read their bible, they just go to church and hear what the minister says and accept what a MAN says as truth instead of heeding the Word and hearing what God says. You have to work out YOUR salvation. The enemy came and Christ on the Mount with SCRIPTURE.. or course taken out of context, but the Word replied with the Word in Truth. "It is written, man shall not live by bread alone, but by every Word that proceeds out of the MOUTH OF GOD." "It is written.." Again, "It is written"

I'm here, for a purpose. ONE purpose, to bring glory to His name. (I pray that my life does just that.) Religious people get caught up on self.. their salvation, and never reach beyond those barriers set by the enemy, and into the heart of God to see, it's about THEM. Once you've been born again, you're HIS child, and even as He's concerned for YOU, you're born again! and His heart still longs for them too! How can they believe unless they hear? How can they hear, unless there be a preacher? How can one preach, unless they're sent? God's saying, I need you to cooperate with My Spirit to get this done. They're going to die and go to hell, if they don't hear, and SOMEONE doesn't tell them. Placing then, the responsibility on us. It's a covenant. How can on preach unless they're sent.. Tells me we need to be walking closely with Him, and able to hear Him, and WILLING TO OBEY HIM and do what He desires us to do, to reach them. It isn't by US. It's by HIS SPIRIT. We have to cooperate though. Because we AS 'CHRISTIANS' will be JUDGED according to the call that's been placed on our lives. God would never ask for a return on something He didn't sow, but if He sows it, and He does, He demands FRUITFULNESS.

I'm telling you this in love, praying it will encourage and edify you, and trust you deeper and further into your relationship with Jesus Christ, and the call placed on your life. If the enemy can keep the church from seeing the Truth, then we'll never walk in it. You're the CHURCH. Open your heart wide to God, seek Him and don't stop.

Mark 4: The 'test' you discribe, itsn't a test but a contention. The enemy wants your faith in God. He wants ever seed sown into your heart to not bear fruit. It's contention. He is the god of this world, according to Corinthians.. The god of this world, satan, has blinded the minds.. MINDS.. of them that don't believe. He blinds minds. You can believe in God, and not believe anything He said. Be cautious, Friend. PLEASE. Go after God and stay in communion with Him. It does test your faith, but the test of your faith is for YOU to see where you are.

Oswald Chambers said, "What's testing your faith now, will either make it stronger, or kill it." God wants you to grow, satan wants your faith to die... the decision.. is yours.

As for me. I'm nothing, and I wouldn't claim to be anything other than a Christ Follower. My life, is a comission, with contentions, and in order for this mission to be successful, I must cling to the Creator so I know what I need to do when things arise to come against my Faith.

You'll find your purpose is the same.
One Faith, One Lord, One baptism.

I love you in Christ.
-A servant, child, and friend of God.

BrokeProphet
2007-12-08, 23:12
^^^^ Sorry it just makes more sense to me, what boozehound said.; To tell people that if they kill themselves they will never get to god. Mortal sin and such. It makes sense to prevent the problem of the slaves of the church killing themselves to expediate the journey to heaven.

This ENEMY talk you speak of is rather creepy. I have to ask...do you believe demons walk amongst us? Do they possess magical powers? Can I sign a soul contract with the devil for a wish?

Nobody is out to get your fucking "soul". You are mentally disturbed. The only difference between you and someone who believes the Loch Ness monster is real, is that more people share you infectious delusion you call a personal relationship with god. Just b/c you are part of a LARGE group of lunatics does NOT detract from the fact that you suffer from insanity.

Okay..........shit.........you got me. I work for Satan. I am only trying to do his work. I applied for the job online several years ago. I make about 27,000 a year, health, dental and a paid one week vacation. Not a bad gig. I only have to undeliver one soul from Christ a month. The reason I am pushing for yours is b/c our department is one soul away from reaching my quota. Once I fill this quota I get a month paid vacation in Hawaii. Help a heretic out, would ya?

AngryFemme
2007-12-09, 01:24
Okay..........shit.........you got me. I work for Satan. I am only trying to do his work. I applied for the job online several years ago. I make about 27,000 a year, health, dental and a paid one week vacation. Not a bad gig. I only have to undeliver one soul from Christ a month. The reason I am pushing for yours is b/c our department is one soul away from reaching my quota. Once I fill this quota I get a month paid vacation in Hawaii. Help a heretic out, would ya?

27k a year?! Beelzebub clearly didn't point you in the direction of the Heretics Union, I see. Always trying to save a buck!

That tricky old bastard.

BrokeProphet
2007-12-09, 01:26
You would figure a person would get more for their soul.......but add in the cost of inflation, nether-dimensional tax and tariffs and the end result is 27,000 a year.

Don't get me started on the 401k plan.

HellzShellz
2007-12-15, 20:11
You would figure a person would get more for their soul.......but add in the cost of inflation, nether-dimensional tax and tariffs and the end result is 27,000 a year.

Don't get me started on the 401k plan.

To be quite frank.. I don't care what makes 'SENSE' to your MIND (soulish realm). Your MIND is bound to CHANGE due to circumstances and situations. Simply because you want things to make SENSE. You have facts... I have TRUTH. FACTS are SUBJECT to change. Truth NEVER changes. If you go through life looking for and accepting only that which makes SENSE to your understanding.. you go through life ignorant of Truth. It's sad. Furthermore, there is a battle over your SOUL (mind will and emotions) How old are you? After that many years, you'd figure you would have learned this TRUTH. Yes, there are REAL demons. Yes, DEMONS can and do possess those who open up opportunity to them. I never said you were POSSESSED, you are decieved though. You are oppressed. Why? Truth states that the GOD OF THIS WORLD'S SYSTEM which is satan, has blinded the minds of them that don't believe. This is TRUTH! Truth, doesn't change.

You'd be foolish to think the father of lies, (satan) would pay any price for your soul. He doesn't care at all about you. In fact, if he can keep you from finding out TRUTH, through facts, (things subject to change) then through the THINGS OF THIS WORLD (being that he's the god of this world's system) he's got you where he wants you. You don't have to fight what won't fight back. Just keep it caged. If it doesn't know that it can get out, it'll stay in.

Even though there is a battle over your soulish realm, your mind, will, and emotions.. if you don't know there's a battle then you're already defeated. It's simple.

What you give your mind, will, and emotions to is what you worship. Satan's after your pure hearted devotion to God. Once he's got that, he fights to keep your mind entertained with his 'stuff' which would be the things of this world. Lusts, decietfulness of riches.. etc. You'll devote your WHOLE LIFE to getting rich, or to a man or woman.. and worship HIM by worshipping his 'stuff'. Because it's PLEASING to your sensual nature.. you'll fall for this. You'll waste your life away.. doing NOTHING that profits or lasts.

Until you're born again. Once born again the spiritual life that died in Adam and Eve in the garden returns to man. His fellowship with the Father, through Christ, united. A believer's life lies in Christ relying on His direction. A true born-again believer, hates his sensual nature, and FIGHTS again it, through TRUTH, which is the Word of God. Once you discover who you are, you don't have to believe the lies you've been told. You then, know what you're capable of. It's called FREEDOM.

THIS IS TRUTH!! It hasn't changed, and it will not change.

Added: Christ paid a price for your soul, though. It was the price sin demanded. BLOOD. And His blood, hit the mercy seat, crying out for JUSTICE. Which was the souls of men. His LIFE BLOOD, cried and crys out to the FATHER for the souls he died for. His LIFE BLOOD, cries in the hearts of His people to will and bring GLORY to God. Whoever believes on Him.. not IN HIM, ON HIM, will not perish... but have LIFE eternal. To believe in someone is to acknowledge their existence, to believe on SOMEONE is to BELIEVE everything they ever taught or said, and heed it, applying it to your own life.

AngryFemme
2007-12-15, 20:23
A true born-again believer, hates his sensual nature, and FIGHTS again it

Oh, he doesn't just hate his own sensual nature. He hates the sensual natures of others, too. Come to think of it, he hates quite a bit. He hates the fact that nature rigged him capable of all these "atrocities of the flesh", yet damns him to hell for the mere thought of it. He hates it that there are billions of other humans who are quite comfortable in their own sanctimonious belief systems, which also happens to dictate that they feel hate and guilt towards themselves and others who are not cloaked in their particular brand of piousness. There's a whole lot of hating going on. Much more hate than I'm used to. Much, much more unnecessary hate that prohibits peace and goodwill.


It's called FREEDOM.

No, it's called servitude. Something that might seem appealing to those who can't formulate love and peace on their own recognizance, without having to wallow in guilt, hate and loathing for others who aren't quite up to par with their idea of righteousness.

Nooooo thank you, ma'am.

Added: Blood! Gore! Smiting others! Death and damnation!
Good grief, woman. Does verbally flagellating your audience make you feel good about yourself?

ArmsMerchant
2007-12-15, 20:31
Furthermore, all the three big religions forbid murder (I know there are 'special cases'), and even orders to kill murderers. One suspects that if someone killed themselves (murder), then as humans couldn't kill them, God, Allah, or Yhwh would then exact punishment.


And with regards to 'life is eternal', can you elaborate?

"Big" religions? So nu, what is Hinduism--chopped liver? The Abrahamic religions are all articfacts of the Piscean Age, and are based on fear and denial.

"Elaborate"? Um, what part of "life is eternal" did I fail to make clear? Remember the Biblical bit about "shall not die, but have everlasting life"? That means ALL of us, not just the chosen elite.

We are not our bodies, nor our minds, nor our personalities--we are our souls, which are immortal, immutable, invulnerable. I don't know how to put it any simpler than that.

HellzShellz
2007-12-15, 20:42
Oh, he doesn't just hate his own sensual nature. He hates the sensual natures of others, too. Come to think of it, he hates quite a bit. He hates the fact that nature rigged him capable of all these "atrocities of the flesh", yet damns him to hell for the mere thought of it. He hates it that there are billions of other humans who are quite comfortable in their own sanctimonious belief systems, which also happens to dictate that they feel hate and guilt towards themselves and others who are not cloaked in their particular brand of piousness. There's a whole lot of hating going on. Much more hate than I'm used to. Much, much more unnecessary hate that prohibits peace and goodwill.




No, it's called servitude. Something that might seem appealing to those who can't formulate love and peace on their own recognizance, without having to wallow in guilt, hate and loathing for others who aren't quite up to par with their idea of righteousness.

Nooooo thank you, ma'am.

Added: Blood! Gore! Smiting others! Death and damnation!
Good grief, woman. Does verbally flagellating your audience make you feel good about yourself?

Pitiful attempt. As a BELIEVER, I DO NOT wallow in guilt. I don't hate myself. I love what God's made me and I refuse REFUSE to be what this world is. I'll not conform. It PLEASES me to PLEASE God. In fact, I'm not condemned I can be CONVICTED of personal sins, but not condemned BECAUSE CHRIST is my justification.

Let me tell you something.. You can't love. You don't know what LOVE is. God is love. Your love is subject to change, and no one wants that kind of love. NO ONE wants a love that balances on the brink of hatred. GET REAL. They want an UNDYING never failing love. When I mess up, I want someone to still love me esp. since I'm not PERFECT. YOU'LL NEVER FIND THAT FROM MAN. Righteousness, doesn't come by as MUCH GOOD as you can do. All that lies within you is BAD, it comes by accepting the GIFT OF GOD THAT CAN NEVER BE EARNED, or DESERVED. Now that is love. You can will what is 'good' but you can't do it. You can say what is bad and teach others what is bad and what is good, but you can't keep yourself from messing up.

You know, you can learn alot about what's in a person by what comes out of their mouth. What comes out of their mouth comes right from their heart.

In all truth, I love myself. See, I can't love God without loving myself. I can't see God loving me, until I see why. I can't see what Until I see how. I can't see how until I see the love in demonstration and even after seeing that, I can't know what is HOLY until I understand what is SINFUL. I can't know what is RIGHT, until I know what is wrong, and I can't know what is right, if all I know is what is wrong, until someone SHOWS and lives what is right.

I'm through..

AngryFemme
2007-12-15, 20:50
All that lies within you is BAD

You know, you can learn alot about what's in a person by what comes out of their mouth. What comes out of their mouth comes right from their heart.

And from these snippets, I have learned a great deal about you and your self-loathing, as well as your loathing for others who don't see it quite the same as you do. You judge a person's character before getting to know them, all on the baseless assumption that if they don't subscribe to the same train of thought that you do, they must be unworthy of your respect and tolerance.

Kipperelly Slash/ed
2007-12-20, 01:59
Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own, you were bought at a price. Therefore honour God with your body. (1 Corinthians 6:19-20) Standard Christian argument against your 'own' body and suicide.


And surely your blood of your lives will I require; at the hand of every beast will I require it, and at the hand of man; at the hand of every man's brother will I require the life of man. (Genesis 9:5) - Seen by Jews as law against suicide.

O you who believe! Do not consume your wealth in the wrong way-rather through trade mutually agreed to, and do not kill yourselves. Surely God is Merciful toward you. (Koran, 4:29) - prophetically taken to be against suicide.


Furthermore, all the three big religions forbid murder (I know there are 'special cases'), and even orders to kill murderers. One suspects that if someone killed themselves (murder), then as humans couldn't kill them, God, Allah, or Yhwh would then exact punishment.


And with regards to 'life is eternal', can you elaborate?

Actually, from the perspective of the Christian faith, it is not to be seen or noted anywhere in the new testament a description of the consequences and repercussions for suicide.

Granted, to the believer it should be understood that ending one's life is an act of disobedience toward God and he makes claims against disobedience.

But, verbatum, suicide is not listed amongst the sins that lead to condemnation.

http://bibleresources.bible.com/passagesearchresults.php?passage1=1+Corinthians+6% 3A9-10&version1=31

http://bibleresources.bible.com/passagesearchresults.php?passage1=Revelation+21:8&version=31