A Christian is a person who follows the teachings of Jesus. Mormons don't follow the teaching of Jesus, they follow the teachings of Joseph Smith. Joseph Smith wasn't divine, or special in any way. He just thought that 2 wives were better than 1.

A Christian is a person who follows the teachings of Jesus. Mormons don't follow the teaching of Jesus, they follow the teachings of Joseph Smith. Joseph Smith wasn't divine, or special in any way. He just thought that 2 wives were better than 1.

Mormons tend to be a lot more kind too, it's not as often that you hear a Mormon tell you you'll burn in hell for some blasphemy... around here anyway. Your right, they shouldn't be defined AS Christians, they're better, stupid, but better.

Jesus wept!

Perhaps if you actually knew something about either the bible or the LDS then perhaps you wouldn't spout such nonsense.

Firstly the definition of a christtian is someone who believes JC was the christ. Now surely that isn't too difficult a concept for you to understand? Seeing as its their name and all.

Do the LDS believe he was the Messiah? Yes very much so, infact MORE so than anyother Xtians cos they believe he also had to come and Messiah'rise in America!

Do they follow the teachings of Joseph Smith? Yes in part still they do. But then again many Xtians follow not the teachings of Christ himself but Paul. Adventists follow the teachings of E.G.White, Methodists follow the teachings of Wesley, Presbyterians the teachings of Knox etc etc etc.

Was Joseph Smith a 'prophet' (no one has ever claimed he was divine as far as I know)?Well thats simply a matter of opinion and faith. Thousands, if not millions think he was.

Inculding myself (and NO I am NOT a mormon!).

They were also not the first (nor will they be the last) Xtians to believe in Polygamy, seeing as the OT is full of it and the NT infers its OK too!

Really please try and learn something about a faith before you run off at the mouth.

I should close this thread on grounds of crass stupidity, unfortunately thats your Constitutional right :(

A Christian is a person who follows the teachings of Jesus. Mormons don't follow the teaching of Jesus, they follow the teachings of Joseph Smith. Joseph Smith wasn't divine, or special in any way. He just thought that 2 wives were better than 1.

Hold the phone, you have said....

I'm a Catholic, my faith is my business, I'm not here to seek your judgment, your approval, or your acceptance. Whether you're a Christian, Atheist, Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist, Pagan etc. I don't care. Your faith isn't wrong, and you're not going to hell for what you believe.

You DO care, and consider the mormon's faith in Christ wrong or misleading. You will find it hard to be a non-judgemental, accepting, tolerant theist.

Mormons tend to be a lot more kind too, it's not as often that you hear a Mormon tell you you'll burn in hell for some blasphemy... around here anyway. Your right, they shouldn't be defined AS Christians, they're better, stupid, but better.

So, OP? What do you have to say? Mormons seem to be far better people then 'Christians', yet you act as if you're better? Why are you better?

So, OP? What do you have to say? Mormons seem to be far better people then 'Christians', yet you act as if you're better? Why are you better?

I don't tell people they're going to suffer for all eternity if they don't come to a big building every Sunday, no offense to Christians who are actually good people and don't press their beliefs on others, I'm complaining about the other asshats...

Well said.

Their doctrine is completely unbiblical.

Unfortunatley, in this pluralist society anyone can say they are whatever they want and you're expected to believe them. :(

Well said.

Their doctrine is completely unbiblical.


And your faith isn't?

will lay good money that 80% of what you believe isn't supported by the bible or is only 'supported' if you rape the scripture back and front.

I think the history and beginnings of the Mormon faith can provide interesting insight into how something seeming so incredible and ridiculous will be believed by a large following of people. They are a bona fide religion with a large following....

NOW.....if mormons took say 800 or so years to kill all non-believers in North America, what would be left? Believers. People stupid enough or scared enough to believe the story of Joseph Smith.

Then at the end of your wasted Sunday mornings you would say "In Smith's name we pray, Amen".

I think the history and beginnings of the Mormon faith can provide interesting insight into how something seeming so incredible and ridiculous will be believed by a large following of people. .

It tells us a lot about americans at the time.

Oh those New England States! (Amazing how nearly all the major 'sects' have their origins there...)

What if E.G.White, Joseph Smith, Mary Baker Eddy, and Miller had all met up one evening...? Two old men and two young girls in cabin in say 1843...in a cabin for the night. Hmmm

Damn I feel an historical novel coming on.

Unfortunatley, in this pluralist society anyone can say they are whatever they want and you're expected to believe them. :(

Incorrect. In your world of "I believe in evil fruit and talking snakes" you are correct, but please do not put free thinking individuals in your fucked up boat. I am not expected and no thinking person IS, in reality, expected to believe something without proof.

Way to demonstrate how your meme of thiesm has fucked up your thinking abilities.

Damn I feel an historical novel coming on.

Or at the very least, a FOX situational drama/sitcom.
:p

Read on the Mountain Meadows Massacre, their blood atonement beliefs, and the Fundamentalist Latter Day Saints who while not technically Mormons, it's pretty much the same shit, different asshole.

They're not better than Catholics, they're not worse than catholics, but they're certainly not better. At least some of the people we killed deserved it, you know, The Black and Tans, UDF, Englishmen, etc.

Read on the Mountain Meadows Massacre, their blood atonement beliefs, and the Fundamentalist Latter Day Saints who while not technically Mormons, it's pretty much the same shit, different asshole.

They're not better than Catholics, they're not worse than catholics, but they're certainly not better. At least some of the people we killed deserved it, you know, The Black and Tans, UDF, Englishmen, etc.

No argument there.

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At least some of the people we killed deserved it, you know, The Black and Tans, UDF, Englishmen, etc.

....entire villages of dark age peasants, men of science, jews etc.

I imagine the catholics got SOME criminals or men of ill-repute in their tirade of mass murder called the inquisition, but does that really justify it?

Their doctrine is completely unbiblical.
Just like other christian religions, they place the Bible as being the word of God and as being truth. They add to it with the Book of Mormon, however it is not contradictory to the Bible nor is it placed ahead of the Bible. Mormons are as much Christians as Catholics or Baptists claim to be.

Also, Joseph Smith is not believed to be a God or any sort of deity. He was simply a man chosen by God to be a prophet and restore His church.

God used to not care if you married more than one wife...
Why does an infallible being EVER need to change it's mind?


Genesis 4:19
And Lamech took unto him two wives.

Genesis 16:1-4
Now Sarai Abram's wife bare him no children: and she had an handmaid, an Egyptian, whose name was Hagar. And Sarai said unto Abram, Behold now, the LORD hath restrained me from bearing: I pray thee, go in unto my maid; it may be that I may obtain children by her. And Abram hearkened to the voice of Sarai. And Sarai ... gave her to her husband Abram to be his wife. And he went in unto Hagar, and she conceived.

Genesis 25:6
But unto the sons of the concubines, which Abraham had....

Genesis 26:34
Esau ... took to wife Judith the daughter of Beeri the Hittite, and Bashemath the daughter of Elon the Hittite.

Genesis 28:9
Esau .. took ... Mahalath the daughter of Ishmael ... to be his wife.

Genesis 31:17
Then Jacob rose up, and set ... his wives upon camels.

Genesis 32:22
He [Jacob] ... took his two wives, and his two womenservants.

Ex.21:10
If he take him another wife....

Dt.21:15
If a man have two wives, one beloved, and another hated....

Judges 8:30
And Gideon had threescore and ten sons of his body begotten: for he had many wives.

1 Sam.1:1-2
Elkanah ... had two wives; the name of the one was Hannah, and the name of the other Peninnah.

2 Sam.12:7-8
Thus saith the LORD God of Israel ... I gave thee ... thy master's wives....

1 Kg.11:2-3
Solomon ... had seven hundred wives ... and three hundred concubines.

1 Chr.4:5
And Ashur the father of Tekoa had two wives, Helah and Naarah.

2 Chr.11:21
Rehoboam ... took eighteen wives, and threescore concubines.

2 Chr.13:21
But Abijah waxed mighty, and married fourteen wives....

2 Chr.24:3
Jehoiada took for him two wives....

Mt.25:1
Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom.

1 Tim.3:2
A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife....

Titus 1:6-7
If any be blameless, the husband of one wife, having faithful children not accused of riot or unruly. For a bishop must be blameless.