From Genesis 19:30-38

30And Lot went up out of Zoar, and dwelt in the mountain, and his two daughters with him; for he feared to dwell in Zoar: and he dwelt in a cave, he and his two daughters.

31And the firstborn said unto the younger, Our father is old, and there is not a man in the earth to come in unto us after the manner of all the earth:

32Come, let us make our father drink wine, and we will lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father.

33And they made their father drink wine that night: and the firstborn went in, and lay with her father; and he perceived not when she lay down, nor when she arose.

34And it came to pass on the morrow, that the firstborn said unto the younger, Behold, I lay yesternight with my father: let us make him drink wine this night also; and go thou in, and lie with him, that we may preserve seed of our father.

35And they made their father drink wine that night also: and the younger arose, and lay with him; and he perceived not when she lay down, nor when she arose.

36Thus were both the daughters of Lot with child by their father.

37And the first born bare a son, and called his name Moab: the same is the father of the Moabites unto this day.

38And the younger, she also bare a son, and called his name Benammi: the same is the father of the children of Ammon unto this day.

Seriously? Are you serious?

So Lot's wife gets turned into a pillar of salt for merely glancing behind her at a town being destroyed so mercilessly by everybody's favorite imaginary character, and yet her daughters commit incestuous rape on their father, and they are taken completely seriously as though they had done nothing odd, let alone wrong?

I gotta say, the Bible is one hell of a book. But I have a hard time taking seriously anyone who takes it seriously.

who the fuck pays attention to Genesis except for the Religious Right so they can bash the gays?

who the fuck pays attention to Genesis except for the Religious Right so they can bash the gays?

I realize that the Old Testament isn't often quoted for actual moral guidance and whatnot, but I just find it funny how it's so ridiculously contradictory and, well, just utterly ridiculous in general.

So what is the point of the OT anyway? Entertaining fiction?

think of it as a history book and how these ancient nations were founded and their founder's lineage

the bible is a fun book to read to be honest

Times change.

Of Lot's two daughters

Which one's twat

Was hotter?

Lol You can tell the account was written much later and by a man (not something you should automatically assume always applies to the OT btw).

35And they made their father drink wine that night also: and the younger arose, and lay with him; and he perceived not when she lay down, nor when she arose.

That's right, the old 'I was soooo drunk' excuse. Suuuuuure like he didn't realise his daughter was riding his cock...and that twice...yeah....

Of course..they forced him to get drunk. They tied him down and poured it down his throat. [/sarcasm]





Although in this case its more the 'lets exonerate him from all guilt' form of authorship.

I wonder if Warren Jeffs called on the scripture as part of his defense? His indictment surely warranted him pulling something remotely biblical from his sleeve. How else would an accomplice to underage rape who is also a preacher justify his actions?

Moral relativism. Different morals in different cultures, in different times.

You're viewing it through the eyes of 21st century morality (though I assume what those daughters/father got up to would be considered wrong even back then)

But basically, the God of the ancient Israelites (OT God) reflects the moral values of the day. They were a fairly partiarcal society, with not so much attention given to women's rights and feminism as we know it today. Men had much better opportunities in life.

Drawing on the values of the Old Testament works veeerry well for fundamentalist, conservative Christians.

Men had much better opportunities in life.

Fucking their daughters and beating their wives into submission when the devil took a stronghold on them - what an opportunity that was!

Amazingly, they never found the opportunity to treat others as they'd like to treated.

Moral relativism. Different morals in different cultures, in different times.

You're viewing it through the eyes of 21st century morality (though I assume what those daughters/father got up to would be considered wrong even back then)

But basically, the God of the ancient Israelites (OT God) reflects the moral values of the day. They were a fairly partiarcal society, with not so much attention given to women's rights and feminism as we know it today. Men had much better opportunities in life.

Drawing on the values of the Old Testament works veeerry well for fundamentalist, conservative Christians.

It was indeed major league naughtyness even back then. The Whole 'Thy shalt not uncover the nakedness of thine... " thang. Hence the rather obvious later apologetical gymnastics to clear this Patriarch of all guilt.

However you are perhaps mistaken about the OT in regard to women. The ancient jews paid high regard to Women's Rights. Infact here in the west we have only caught up and perhaps overtaken them in the last couple of hundred years.

Moral relativism. Different morals in different cultures, in different times.

You're viewing it through the eyes of 21st century morality (though I assume what those daughters/father got up to would be considered wrong even back then)

But basically, the God of the ancient Israelites (OT God) reflects the moral values of the day. They were a fairly partiarcal society, with not so much attention given to women's rights and feminism as we know it today. Men had much better opportunities in life.

Drawing on the values of the Old Testament works veeerry well for fundamentalist, conservative Christians.

Forgetting of course that any copy of the OT we would read in English is a highly altered version, so it's probably a lot different to the 'original' texts.

It is a hilarious book.

www.skepticsannotatedbible.com is an awesome place to find the most retarded shit in the bible.

I have to say that Leviticus is probably my favorite book in part one of the bible. Part one is my favorite. The sequel just didn't live up to the expectations of the original.

So Lot's wife gets turned into a pillar of salt for merely glancing behind her at a town being destroyed so mercilessly by everybody's favorite imaginary character, and yet her daughters commit incestuous rape on their father, and they are taken completely seriously as though they had done nothing odd, let alone wrong?
.

Leviticus

20:12 And if a man lie with his daughter in law, both of them shall surely be put to death: they have wrought confusion; their blood shall be upon them.

Forgetting of course that any copy of the OT we would read in English is a highly altered version, so it's probably a lot different to the 'original' texts.
Exactly. That's the problem with the Bible. I'm sure if we could translate it directly from the original texts today a lot of things would be quite different.

Exactly. That's the problem with the Bible. I'm sure if we could translate it directly from the original texts today a lot of things would be quite different.

According to some of the oldest writings and scrolls the bible is written today as it was thousands of years ago. Fact is, most theologians will attest to the accuracy of the bible as far as ANCIENT manuscript evidence is concerned as will many, many, many theists.

Does not change the fact that the book is FULL of shit. Just means that the fucks who wrote it were not clever and observant enough (not good enough bullshitters) to catch all of their contradictions. We have been since it's first translation into english in the 15th or 16th century. As more and more of the world learns to read the book for themselves more and more will be appalled by it.