Quite frankly, I'm sick of the whole religion debate and "you're going to hell" and all that other bullshit. I apologize in advance if I seem to pick on Christianity but my grandparents are super-christian and listen to the good word daily on tv.

First thing, I'm sick of all the "god will save you if you have faith"
Yep, God is gonna stop the war in Iraq and God is going to do something about world hunger, global warming, and God is going to inspire someone to find the cure for cancer. He's doing a real good job. So if he created the world, why is he letting it go to hell?
And personally I don't like the idea of an all powerful omniscient being sitting up above everything and watching. i'm so fuckin glad I'm not paranoid, cuz the idea of God watching me 24-7 is creepy...

that's all i got against God
now lets talk about God's people...

I hate the way everyone is trying to save my soul. Ya know what? Its my soul and if I go to hell, I will NOT beg forgiveness. I'm proud of every fuckin sin I've commited. And know what else? My sinful life is more fun than the pure, dull life that you want me to lead.
Then I get the Satanic people on me about all their bullshit. No one seems to get the point that I don't believe in God or Satan, but IF I went to hell I'd be fuckin proud of it. And then everyone gets pissed of at me for yelling at them for not listening.

In then end, my belief is this: ALL RELIGION IS TRUE
If one believes in heaven or hell, then that's where you're going (depending on where you're trying to get to)
If one believes in reincarnation then damnit you're gonna be reincarnated

I really think everyone should mind their own business about religion. I mean, I'm wiccan. That is what i BELIEVE. Not what I think. Meaning you can read the good word all day, all its gonna do is piss me off because I had something better planned than listening to stories.
Really all that pisses me off is that people bother me about my religion. They act like all I know is my religion. There is 3 bibles and a Koran in my school library. I learned about religion in my world history class. Trust me, I know about Christianity, Buddhism, Confucism, and all that good stuff. And I know I beleive what I believe and that is my business and no one elses.

And for everyone who thinks I'm a Christian-hater, sorry but I'm not. I've actually been to church quite a few times. One of my good friends is the daugher of the pastor where I went to church as a child, which happened to also be where I went to school.

And if anyone wants to have a non-critical non- "I'm going to convert you" talk about religion, I'd be nice to talk to someone semi-intelligent for once.

First thing, I'm sick of all the "god will save you if you have faith"
Yep, God is gonna stop the war in Iraq and God is going to do something about world hunger, global warming, and God is going to inspire someone to find the cure for cancer. He's doing a real good job. So if he created the world, why is he letting it go to hell?
And personally I don't like the idea of an all powerful omniscient being sitting up above everything and watching. i'm so fuckin glad I'm not paranoid, cuz the idea of God watching me 24-7 is creepy...

Christian theodicy develops numerous ideas as to how God's benevolence can be reconciled with suffering and evil in the world. Most of these are supported biblically.


I hate the way everyone is trying to save my soul. Ya know what? Its my soul and if I go to hell, I will NOT beg forgiveness. I'm proud of every fuckin sin I've commited. And know what else? My sinful life is more fun than the pure, dull life that you want me to lead.
Then I get the Satanic people on me about all their bullshit. No one seems to get the point that I don't believe in God or Satan, but IF I went to hell I'd be fuckin proud of it. And then everyone gets pissed of at me for yelling at them for not listening.

In then end, my belief is this: ALL RELIGION IS TRUE
If one believes in heaven or hell, then that's where you're going (depending on where you're trying to get to)
If one believes in reincarnation then damnit you're gonna be reincarnated

Did you watch 'The Secret' too many times or something? Though possible, I doubt that our beliefs determine reality. They only play a part in determining our perception of it. Tell me, if you believe that the sky is green, will it all of a sudden be green?

How did you come to the conclusion that your beliefs control reality concerning the afterlife, even before you are actually dead? Why don't they control anything else in reality besides what happens to us after death? You should find some decent evidence to support this belief of yours, if you have none already. Otherwise it's not much more than blind faith, something often held dear by the ignorant breed of Christians you so resent.



I really think everyone should mind their own business about religion.

Not gonna happen. People are curious; religion is a controversial topic. If something can be discussed, it probably will be. If you get verbally attacked by ignorant fools with illogical arguments and personal attacks... well I guess you have to decide how to react to that yourself. Personally I often try and foster unity over division, even with people whose beliefs or attitudes I disagree with. Try to find things you CAN agree on or respect, ie. "I really think Jesus was a great guy. So compassionate" and don't become doggedly aggressive. Also try not to bring your beliefs into it to much. Having people not hate you and in fact, like you, pays off.


I mean, I'm wiccan. That is what i BELIEVE. Not what I think. Meaning you can read the good word all day, all its gonna do is piss me off because I had something better planned than listening to stories.
Really all that pisses me off is that people bother me about my religion. They act like all I know is my religion. There is 3 bibles and a Koran in my school library. I learned about religion in my world history class. Trust me, I know about Christianity, Buddhism, Confucism, and all that good stuff. And I know I beleive what I believe and that is my business and no one elses.

If you're going to hold controversial beliefs and you make them public, then yes you will be discriminated against and yes you will be attacked by ignorant, prejudiced fucks. Wiccanism these days is heavily associated with "witchcraft". Admittedly, I know little about wicca. Though I find it to be more pagan (nature-oriented) than anything. Our modern conception of witchcraft is pretty similar in some respects to paganism. Perhaps that's because the Church declared pagan practices to be witchcraft, and the idea eventually came into the public consciousness.

And for everyone who thinks I'm a Christian-hater, sorry but I'm not. I've actually been to church quite a few times. One of my good friends is the daugher of the pastor where I went to church as a child, which happened to also be where I went to school.

And if anyone wants to have a non-critical non- "I'm going to convert you" talk about religion, I'd be nice to talk to someone semi-intelligent for once.

I'm not intelligent, though I am open-minded. Religion is an interesting topic... but I'm not up to it at the moment. Involved in too many debates/discussions already with two hardcore intellectual ivory-tower Christians (as in, one has doctorates in everything and daddy is the president of the university), and a marxist/buddhist guy with some pantheistic beliefs. sorry mate.

The OP is so profound.

And know what else? My sinful life is more fun than the pure, dull life that you want me to lead.

You know what I've been doing since I found Faith? Going to dinners, dances, movies, friends', chilling with my family...and I don't have to 'sin' to enjoy any of it. I have fun dancing with pretty ladies, even with ugly ones; I have fun eating and chatting over dinner with groups of buddies; I have fun at the movies, from G to R rated; I have fun over at my friends', cooking out, watching TV, playing pool, etc; and I can actually relax around my nut-fuck family. Best of all, I can sit still, doing absolutely nothing, and feel SATISFIED. All of this can be done today without a 'sinful life'.

You want to know what I was doing before I found Faith? Struggling with addictions: to rape, to child porn, to over-eating, to self-mutilation, to alcohol, pills, cocaine, myriad hallucinogens, violent tendencies. That was my sinful life...and fuck yeah I thought it was fun. Doing those things helped me forget how much I hated myself.

To get these things, I would lie to myself, lie to others, steal, fight, manipulate, harm...

Yeah, sin was a blast! :rolleyes:

Quite frankly, I'm sick of the whole religion debate and "you're going to hell" and all that other bullshit. I apologize in advance if I seem to pick on Christianity but my grandparents are super-christian and listen to the good word daily on tv.

First thing, I'm sick of all the "god will save you if you have faith"
Yep, God is gonna stop the war in Iraq and God is going to do something about world hunger, global warming, and God is going to inspire someone to find the cure for cancer. He's doing a real good job. So if he created the world, why is he letting it go to hell?
And personally I don't like the idea of an all powerful omniscient being sitting up above everything and watching. i'm so fuckin glad I'm not paranoid, cuz the idea of God watching me 24-7 is creepy...

that's all i got against God
now lets talk about God's people...

I hate the way everyone is trying to save my soul. Ya know what? Its my soul and if I go to hell, I will NOT beg forgiveness. I'm proud of every fuckin sin I've commited. And know what else? My sinful life is more fun than the pure, dull life that you want me to lead.
Then I get the Satanic people on me about all their bullshit. No one seems to get the point that I don't believe in God or Satan, but IF I went to hell I'd be fuckin proud of it. And then everyone gets pissed of at me for yelling at them for not listening.

In then end, my belief is this: ALL RELIGION IS TRUE
If one believes in heaven or hell, then that's where you're going (depending on where you're trying to get to)
If one believes in reincarnation then damnit you're gonna be reincarnated

I really think everyone should mind their own business about religion. I mean, I'm wiccan. That is what i BELIEVE. Not what I think. Meaning you can read the good word all day, all its gonna do is piss me off because I had something better planned than listening to stories.
Really all that pisses me off is that people bother me about my religion. They act like all I know is my religion. There is 3 bibles and a Koran in my school library. I learned about religion in my world history class. Trust me, I know about Christianity, Buddhism, Confucism, and all that good stuff. And I know I beleive what I believe and that is my business and no one elses.

And for everyone who thinks I'm a Christian-hater, sorry but I'm not. I've actually been to church quite a few times. One of my good friends is the daugher of the pastor where I went to church as a child, which happened to also be where I went to school.

And if anyone wants to have a non-critical non- "I'm going to convert you" talk about religion, I'd be nice to talk to someone semi-intelligent for once.

Now this is a story all about how my
Life got flipped turned upside down
And I'd like to take a minute just sit right there
I'll tell you how I become the prince of a town called Bethlehem

In west Jerusalem born and raised
On the playground is where I spent most of my days
Chillin' out, maxin', relaxin', all cool
And all converting some Hebrews outside of the school
When a couple of guys they were up to no good
They tried to nail me to a cross of wood.
I got in one little fight and my mom got scared
And said, "You're going on an 26 year absence somewhere”

I whistled for a cab and when it came near
The license plate said God and it had dice in the mirror
If anything I could say that this cab was rare
But I thought, "Nah, forget it. Yo home to God's heir!"

I pulled up to the temple about 7 or 8
And I yelled to the cabby yo holmes smell ya later
Looked at my kingdom I was finally used
To sit on my throne as the prince of the Jews.

Yes.

http://dharma-haven.org/tibetan/prwhbl2-.gif

And know what else? My sinful life is more fun than the pure, dull life that you want me to lead.

You know what I've been doing since I found Faith? Going to dinners, dances, movies, friends', chilling with my family...and I don't have to 'sin' to enjoy any of it. I have fun dancing with pretty ladies, even with ugly ones; I have fun eating and chatting over dinner with groups of buddies; I have fun at the movies, from G to R rated; I have fun over at my friends', cooking out, watching TV, playing pool, etc; and I can actually relax around my nut-fuck family. Best of all, I can sit still, doing absolutely nothing, and feel SATISFIED. All of this can be done today without a 'sinful life'.

You want to know what I was doing before I found Faith? Struggling with addictions: to rape, to child porn, to over-eating, to self-mutilation, to alcohol, pills, cocaine, myriad hallucinogens, violent tendencies. That was my sinful life...and fuck yeah I thought it was fun. Doing those things helped me forget how much I hated myself.

To get these things, I would lie to myself, lie to others, steal, fight, manipulate, harm...

Yeah, sin was a blast! :rolleyes:
Good post, indeed Christianity/faith can help many people to lead full lives, but it can also justify some peoples intolerant beliefs and actions. Ah well, good to see you found a crutch to support your pure life. I found one too, it's called my own morals and willpower..


Also: "If I went to Hell I'd be proud of it." Damn dude, I don't believe in Hell, but personally if it did exist and I was sent there I'd be too busy screaming in agony to be proud of my idiotic self.

Yes.

http://dharma-haven.org/tibetan/prwhbl2-.gif

lol :)

';,-

Beelzebub, not trying to oppose you, but morals and willpower will only lead a pure life if they are practiced with continuous fervency. You're going to find situations that are too much for human morality and will alone - the desire for self-seeking will overcome the ability to do what is right; this is where perfect Morality and Will carries us through if we maintain our spiritual condition through regular communion with the Spirit.

Ghandi wasn't a pacifist by his own morals and will, he was passive because he had a Spirit greater than his own to hold him back from the desire to strike back.

It gets me thinking sometimes though...everyone has a weakness they succumb to from time to time, I wonder what Ghandi did when he faltered from the Spirit?

I tend to smoke cigarettes and tear up some pussy. I wonder if Ghandi could lay the pipes down?

I would rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints......is the general idea of "I'm proud to go to hell" methinks.

FYI: Ghandi disliked Christians. He said "I like your Christ, but I do not like your Christians."

Christianity, in a nut shell, asks for the impossible (perfection) and gives you a way to make up for YOUR failure to do the impossible (repentance). It creates the problem and the solution.

Your repentance can and has taken many forms. For an example from the past: The church asks you not have wet dreams (impossible).....WHEN you do you can be punished by having to pray, or death and EVERYTHING (fines, excommunication, torture, imprisonment, confinement) between.

That is the price you pay for giving up your free will to mortal men with an old book.

The bible contains 500 or so verses dedicated to prayer, 500 or so dedicated to faith and over 2000 dedicated to money and property. What is your book really about?

On religion:

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